User talk:Cameron/Archive/September08

Re: adoption
Sure! Miquonranger03 (talk) 03:56, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey! Thanks for the offer! and I accept! :)Wiki Roxor (talk) 22:38, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Funny enough, I had been thinking about doing so today.. GMTA! Prince of Canadat 15:20, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Great Minds Think Alike. (or, Gay Men Talk A lot...) Prince of Canadat 15:34, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not awake enough yet to try and make the airport part of the conversation. I need tea. Prince of Canadat 15:51, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it's just past noon. I'm lazy.  And really, if I only edited when sober and fully awake, I'd have about ten minutes a day. Prince of Canadat 16:06, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Liver? I hardly knew'er! Prince of Canadat 16:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that must be more of a North American joke.. Prince of Canadat 16:19, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * OI! I'm a Canadian, not a bleeding Yank! Prince of Canadat 16:26, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Canada is located in North America. Being called 'American' generally means 'from the USA', and gets right up our noses, though most Europeans use the word as you do. Think of it this way: Scots can rightly be called British, but how offended d'you think they'd be if people called them English? Prince of Canadat 16:34, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I should think Venezuelans would take offence to being called 'American', too ;) We're Elizabethans now?  Hmm.. I seem to have misplaced my doublet and hose.. Prince of Canadat 17:30, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * PS, I have shamelessly stolen your Adoption template. SHAMELESSLY!
 * It's a good LOLCat. Now that I have been fortified with caffeine, time to edit (what a mess...) Prince of Canadat 17:37, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

(indent)As long as I'm at the top of the list ;) Prince of Canadat 20:55, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: You beat me to it!
Yes! I understand that is the policy. I thought the line was at WP:IMOS, but I can't find it. I've definately seen it somewhere. It's probably been removed by one of these sockpuppets, but it's a totally sensible policy anyway. If you find it, will you let me know? I'd like to quote it to this user. --Jza84 | Talk  12:18, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

(Y)our article
You did more than I did, I think. Oopsie on the image... I just stole it from the Coronet page. Prince of Canadat 19:45, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Small question...
Does Wikipedia have a policy about color vs. colour, encyclopedia vs. encyclopædia, etc.? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miquonranger03 (talk • contribs) 01:46, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Adoption question
I see that you have a coaching process for admins. Do you handle your "regular" adoptees the same way? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clarityat3am (talk • contribs) 15:08, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think this will work! I accept your adoption offer. I might as well start by asking if you have any suggestions for starting out.  I thought about New Page Patrol, but I wanted to see what your ideas might be.  Thanks! clarityat3am (talk) 16:12, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'll do that! clarityat3am (talk) 17:57, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I have a hard time just leaving things undone when they're so easy to add or fix! I've found that I really enjoy looking up references for most musicians and bands, since music is where my interest lies primarily. Someday I'll venture into actual content, but for now, I feel most comfortable doing what I'm doing. clarityat3am (talk) 20:27, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

RE: Adoption
Hey, I actually adopted Pozilla a while back but he seems to have gone inactive. I may well adopt another user soon! —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 17:09, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I just adopted four users today.. I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY :( Not really, I look forward to showing them around! —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 21:07, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

A particularly troublesome user...
I've been attempting to help User:KoziKaz with this fact he's been trying to add to the entry on Barney. He wants to mention that one of the characters is shorter, and the reason is unknown. I have said that I don't believe that is notable, and that he has not been able to even provide a reference. He is sending me YouTube videos to try to prove this, but instead of attempting to provide notability, he has resorted to calling me "stupid" and "gay." What do you think I should do? I really don't feel like belaboring this further. Also, I fear that I may be venturing into WP:BITE territory. What do you think I should do about this? Miquonranger03 (talk) 01:54, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Small steps
Can I cheer a little for myself for having an article that I spruced up be reassessed from Stub to Start class? I know it's not all too significant in the grand scheme of things, but it helps me think I'm moving in the right direction here. :) clarityat3am (talk) 03:23, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Adminship
From the point I am currently at (technically a new user, despite having been about for more than 2.5 years), what do you think I should do to be able to consider RfA? Miquonranger03 (talk) 04:21, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm sure it'd fail right now. :D I have, in fact, accomplished those tasks, and I've also read your four step admin coaching page. Miquonranger03 (talk) 13:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, really? I didn't think that non-sysops were permitted to contribute to RfAs. Also...my edit count is distorted, most certainly. "Somewhat" is an understatement, in my opinion. :) I use Huggle for vandalism, and when the vandal/whomever disagrees, it gives me an opportunity to demonstrate maturity, control, and diplomacy. However, I do think that I may have a bit of editcountitis, and I am trying to do my best to control this. Miquonranger03 (talk) 15:15, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Hidden sections
Yeah it is sad that they are all leaving. You can create a "useful Wikipedians" section which would be less "suck-upish" ;). Malinaccier (talk) 20:42, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Of course there's no policy against it, but I will probably never add my own picture to my userspace. It's really up to each individual user, and I cannot really advise you on this except in saying that I would not personally put up my own picture. You should always remember WP:NOTMYSPACE, and the fact that people will often judge a person by their face.  There may also be some privacy concerns. In the end, it's up to you to decide. Malinaccier (talk) 21:11, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

The copy is at User:Cameron/Mother-in-law-zilla, though the text is pretty ridiculous if I may say so myself. Malinaccier (talk) 19:45, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha. Alright, I'll delete it. Malinaccier (talk) 19:54, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Malinaccier (talk) 00:52, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Motto of the day
Hello, I notice you're using one of the motd templates, run by Motto of the day. You may have noticed that some of the mottos recently have been followed by a date from 2006, or on occasion simply "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". The reason for this is that Motto of the day is in some very serious need of help. Participation in the project, which has never been especially high, has dropped considerably over this past summer, to the point we have had several days where no motto was scheduled to appear at all. Over the past several weeks, I've been the only editor scheduling mottos at all, but there aren't enough comments on some of these mottos to justify their use. If we do not get some help - and soon - your daily mottos will stop. In order for us to continue updating these templates for you, we need your help.

When you get a chance between your normal editing, could you stop by our nominations page and leave a few comments on some of the mottos there, especially those that do not have any comments yet? This works very simply; you read a motto, decide whether or not you like it, and post your opinion just below the motto. That's it - no experience required, just an idea of what you personally like and what you feel reflects Wikipedia and its community. If you do have past experience with the project, then please close some of the older nominations once they've got a decent consensus going. There are directions on the nominations page on how to do this.

If you have any questions, please let me know, or post on the project's talk page. I'm looking forward to reading your comments on the suggested mottos, and any additional suggestions you'd like to make. Until then, happy editing! Hers fold  (t/a/c) 02:52, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much for the award! I'm looking forward to seeing you at MOTD - as for the quotes, we've seen a fair share of Shakespeare quotes, but they'll all be listed in the archives if you're not sure. :-) Hers fold  (t/a/c) 15:53, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Copyright
I'll put it back; the image is only there while I'm building the article. Ta for the heads up, though. Prince of Canadat 18:16, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh no, warning understood; I've added a note to the top of the page explaining what I'm doing. Prince of Canadat 18:19, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Curtsey message
How ya do, Cameron. We haven't been bumping into each other much these days. Infact, I haven't been too active around monarchial pages lately, as I've been hanging around the British/Irish pages concerning British Isles & Republic of Ireland. So, just thought I'd say how ya do. GoodDay (talk) 23:56, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll pass, on the backlogs, for now. GoodDay (talk) 13:04, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

What can I say; my fingers are tied. GoodDay (talk) 19:59, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Groombridge
Thanks for the message. I replied on my talk page, but I just wanted to say that you're doing a good job on that Groombridge page. I'll keep looking for other refs too. Take care. Regards,MarmadukePercy (talk) 17:46, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Charles
Indeed. I'm about a keystroke away from posting it over at wikiquette. Prince of Canadat 20:35, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Aye, I know he's not a n00b, thus the "you know better" remark. I find it interesting that he disallows any contact through his talk page.  Do you think I should wikiquette him in general, or is it all too vague? Prince of Canadat 20:46, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I defer to your superior judgement. Perhaps you could comment on the compromise I suggested? Prince of Canadat 21:04, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Aye, at the bottom of the talk page I suggested a compromise that puts Charles' information in, without giving it undue POV weight. 'Course, he tried the same tactic with Oldenburg, so I doubt that anything is going to satisfy him. Prince of Canadat 21:09, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Oh, interesting, it looks like the same error slipped into the House of Glucksburg article as well. I'd rather not invite any further Wrath of Charles down on my head; perhaps you can fix it? Prince of Canadat 21:29, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, those were precisely what I meant. 'Oddly', they were added by G2bambino, whose recent crusades across Liz and other articles have been.. puzzling.  I'm as Canadian as he is, but he's making the mistake of thinking 'adding another POV'='NPOV'.  Strange. Prince of Canadat 08:33, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK

 * I noticed it earlier.. we make a good team! We should find something else to attack...(my current vote is for attacking a cheesecake, but you might be in danger.  I am savage when it comes to cheesecake.) Prince of Canadat 08:30, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

RE: Margaret Ford
Thanks for asking! I'm certainly doing my best, and I did a few searches, but couldn't find anything on her, since there's both an author and actress by that name, as well as a company in Chicago. Since I'm not from Britain, nor am I well acquainted with it, it's difficult for me to judge articles that are Britain-related, and I should have noted this. I'll take a week-long break from tagging articles for speedy delete to reread the related policies and guidelines, since I accidentally tagged 2 articles with A4 because I didn't realize that that only applied to articles that were deleted through AFD, not speedy.miquonranger03 (talk) 16:06, 7 September 2008 (UTC) :D
 * I think I'll wait 6 months or so, and then begin seriously thinking about becoming an admin. Especially since it's perhaps the most evil thing, process, policy, article, or user currently on Wikipedia. I'd like to see more RFAs pass simply because of WP:WTHN :D miquonranger03 (talk) 23:21, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: WP:MOTTO
That's ok. :) I replied on the nominations page. Cheers, –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone

Monarchy of Canada
Hiya Cameron. I brought up a compromise suggestion at that article, in hopes of ending the dispute between G2bambino & PrinceOfCanada. I partially succeeded; they both agreed that my idea was bad. GoodDay (talk) 21:00, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Not bad; ineffective. G2 is pulling his usual stunts, and I've made the mistake of getting caught up in it. Unfortunately, I can't leave it alone now, because that just gives him all the more reason to employ the same tactics (that he always uses) the next time he's decided he Must Have His Way. Prince of Canadat 21:06, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Bye
I think I'm going to be leaving the project. G2bambino's abuse is more than I can handle, and it will be impossible for me to edit the articles I'm interested in without running into his bullying. Prince of Canadat 00:36, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think so. His abuse is well documented and no admins seem to have any inclination to do much about it.  And, looking through his contribs from the past few hours... he still does not understand how formatting works, still is ignoring his own statements about formatting solely for his computer.  Indeed, his edit summaries are a symphony of passive-aggressive idiocy, gloating in the fact that he's driven another person away from the projec.  So what's the point?  Seriously, what is the point of even bothering to contribute to a project like this when bullies like him get to run roughshod over the whole thing, wikilawyering the rules to get what they want in total defiance of consensus and community opinion, abusing other contributors, and generally being complete assholes to anyone who dares to have a different opinion?  What's the use? He--words from his own mouth--calls WP:Civil 'irrelevant', and states that it is pointless to try and discuss the policy with him.  And yet, admins will do nothing.  He's been blocked repeatedly for violations of 3RR and abuse, and always claims "Aw shucks, I've been a bad boy, I'll be good now" and never changes.  And nobody actually does anything about it.  Nobody cares. Prince of Canadat 16:56, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * What 'goodwill'? That wasn't goodwill, that was "nudge nudge, look what I did, haha" and nothing more.  It's about as far from an apology it is possible to get.  Continued disruption to the project through outright bullying, wikistalking (which he has done), repeated violations of AGF and Civil, repeated violations of NPOV, all of these coming after multiple warnings, these aren't reasons for him to be thrown the hell off the project?  These aren't reasons to block him? How?  He is impossible to work with, as you well know, because once he has decided that It Must Be This Way, there is absolutely no way around it.  None.  Despite the fact that I was 100% correct over the past few days, it took policy he could not conceivably argue with before he would back down.  And he then goes on to say that if something isn't explicitly stated by policy, he can do whatever he wants.  He is a bully and a liar and a complete jerk and I really don't understand how someone as intelligent as you are can possibly defend his actions. Prince of Canadat 17:17, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm writing the ANI notice now, actually. The amount of BS in his history is staggering. The number of times he has been warned is equally staggering.  Almost 30 accusations and warnings of violating AGF, NPOV, Civil, 3RR, and wikistalking.  And that's just as of March 07.  I haven't been able to count the number of blocks yet.  This is a 'positive contributor' to the project? Prince of Canadat 18:52, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * voila. Prince of Canadat 20:05, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Cameron, as Prince (predictably) removed my note to you and GoodDay from his page, and I'm not sure if you saw it before he did so, please see here. Cheers. --G2bambino (talk) 21:09, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Predictably indeed. Had I or had I not informed you that you were no longer welcome on my talk page?  What possible motivation could you have for posting there after being requested not to? Prince of Canadat 21:15, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * So now that G2 is actively lying about what I've done, are you still going to tacitly support him by not condemning his behaviour? Prince of Canadat 21:20, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think this whole dispute is beneath both of you. I see you are currently both blocked and it really saddens me that it has come to this. I miss you and hope you rejoin us very soon. It doesn't have to be like this... Kind regards, --Cameron* 21:19, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Eh. He was stuck on making some sort of point (I can't for the life of me fathom what it was), and didn't really care that he was completely contradicting himself in the process.  It boiled down to him saying 'Neener neener neener, I'm going to get what I want, too bad for you,' which is ridiculous.  I have made it clear the conditions under which I will attempt to resolve the dispute with him.  Since this requires his acknowledgement of his lies, half-truths, and total incivility without any weasel words or attempt to avoid the truth, I doubt that it will ever happen. Prince of Canadat 00:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Status
Hey! I was wondering how I could get my online/offline status to appear on any pages like the counter vandal task force unit and other help pages??Thanks Wiki Roxor (talk) 03:19, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar
Thank you for the Barnstar. I've never received one before and really appreciate it. -Rrius (talk) 21:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Legal threats against me
So! A few days ago I received my first legal threats. I think the lawyers of Cristina Schultz have been removing factual, sourced content that they believe to be slander (although it is perfect NPOV) against her, from the article. Diff They vandalized my user page, diff and also the RFPP page diff (which they had added a request to earlier diff after three times I reverted their removal of content). I placed the following message on the IP's talk page, referring them to the NLT page. Do you feel that that was appropriate? Also, is there anything else I should do that I haven't done? Thanks! They were given a 48-hour block per NLT, I just wanted to know your thoughts. miquonranger03 (talk) 01:15, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Discussion needed for changed
Please stop changing the dablink on commonwealth realm pages. The dablink was decided on a while back. If you have any concerns take them to WP:COMMONWEALTH where a central discussion can take place. Consensus is needed to make such bold changes, since consensus formed the first version and we don't know whether consensus has changed. Also, please do not remove mentions of personal union unless it has been discussed on the talk page. As both the changes you have made affect a large amount of articles I would suggest a central discussion at WP:COMMONWEALTH. Thank you, --Cameron* 17:21, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dlatimer"


 * The dablink says to take concerns to Commonwealth Realm rather than WP:COMMONWEALTH. These concerns were mapped out and a consensus was reached. Sorry, that you missed out on it. --Dlatimer (talk) 17:32, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Look under Personal Union, followed by Common Dablink


 * Please add to the discussion because nobody is arguing against this change. --Dlatimer (talk) 05:09, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Discussion needed for changed
Let me know when you have read it. --129.78.64.101 (talk) 19:50, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Read what? Who is this? --Cameron* 11:53, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Re:English Royalty WikiProject
Going to make this brief, but, sir: full steam ahead I say! You can look up how I set up BRoy so many years ago if it helps. I'll lend a hand with the founding as and when! Huzzah! DBD 19:45, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Another day...another crazy event
Today, a user, User:212.139.121.207 repeatedly threatened (first, second, third to refer me to "the police" for "hate crimes" (I was replacing quotes on the following article, diff], that he "had my IP" (which is a blatant lie, unless he's got checkuser, which he clearly doesn't, since he thought that there was a "chief admin", and that I "wouldn't like it when police showed up on my doorstep). What is your opinion on this? 05:49, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Update:they were blocked for a month.
 * I told User:J.delanoy about both these incidents, but I haven't received a response. miquonranger03 (talk) 13:07, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * What I meant to say was that when it initially happened, I wrote to an admin, J.delanoy, and after a few days of no response, I posted on your user talk about it. miquonranger03 (talk) 18:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

English royalty banner
I have created the banner at Template:WP English Royalty. Please do not add the metabanner to talk pages. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 19:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I am still working on the categories. After that, I will add some documentation. For now, all you need to know is:


 * — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 20:05, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, you can start adding them using the example I gave above. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 20:09, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

FYI
I would like some eggs with this, please.

I would also like to remember to sign my name.

And a pony. Prince of Canadat 06:17, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, we'll see. I'll look at the dablink thing, but I suspect that someone who I have no time or use for is involved in the discussion, and the last thing I need is more stress. Prince of Canadat 10:24, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Administratorship
Hiya Cameron. I'm getting anxious, when will you be eligable for Administratorship? GoodDay (talk) 16:34, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Okie Dokie. GoodDay (talk) 19:04, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I shall consider it. At the momment, matters at British Isles & Republic of Ireland have the bulk of my attentions. GoodDay (talk) 19:19, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It's rough sailing, to be sure. But, I'm not rattled. GoodDay (talk) 19:25, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

With POV pushing like this, I'd say it might be a hard sell. Careful, there. MrZaius talk  16:25, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Monarchs list
Thanks, it seems the Anglo-Saxon ones are in even worse state than the post-Conquest medieval kings. Lampman (talk) 21:01, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

RE: Where's Malinaccier
No idea... perhaps he has school work to attend to or something. Hope he's not left us :)  weburiedoursecretsinthegarden  11:52, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * He lost power in the remnants of Hurricane Ike, and hasn't had internet connection. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  13:25, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, he was on IRC very briefly last night, and he said the power was knocked out for quite some time. I suspect he'll be active again in no time. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  17:16, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was a tad worried for a bit myself. :) Cheers, –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  17:41, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, back now
I will cut to the chase: I lost power because of Hurricane Ike, and am now able to edit. Sorry for the worries, but I'm back and ready to go! Does the matter you emailed me on still need attention? Malinaccier (talk) 22:41, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm sane, honest!
I hope you don't think I'm a looney running around with a sword shouting FREEDOM! Those were of course different days, it's the ballot box for me. I'll be away now to get my kilt on and re-enact the Battle of Bannockburn :) Jack forbes (talk) 17:00, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Miss list
I'm sorry for that whole thing, hopefully you won't have to unstrike it any time in the future! Caulde 15:39, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Peter mentioned some list on his talkpage, and so I naturally wondered and saw it on your userpage. As a side note, if you need any help, you can always ask. Caulde  19:11, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Your cunning plan...
Holy jumping jeepers, that sounds like a great plan! ;) Prince of Canadat 12:04, 30 September 2008 (UTC) - Robin