User talk:Canadian Paul/June 2010 to 2nd GA Backlog Drive

Pedro J. Labarthe
I could not find any reference in the lifespan citation (http://books.google.com/books?id=4v3b60QzUPQC&pg=PA542) that you added (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pedro_J._Labarthe&action=historysubmit&diff=365843427&oldid=365785518) to either June 21 as a birthday or March as a month of death for this subject. Can you include where these specific dates are cited? Oh and BTW, I have reinserted the "prominent" label into the article as this is how the government of the Municipality of Ponce categorizes him, and a citation was provided for this - which I hope you had a chance to read, but if you did not, here it is again:(http://www.visitponce.com/culturaIlustres.aspx). Regards, Mercy11 (talk) 01:31, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I did include where these dates were cited in my edit summary - you can find them in the Social Security Death Index (SSDI), which is acceptable as a source to verify the information, provided that you already know that the person is deceased (which is why I needed the year of death from the book). As for the word "prominent", it's still entirely inappropriate, whether or not you cite it to the municipality of Ponce - it's still a point of view, it's just someone else's point of view. For one thing, topics are presumed to be notable or prominent if they have a Wikipedia page in the first place, otherwise we would delete them, so adding words like that is redundant. Second of all, think of it this way - if the first sentence on Barack Obama said "Barack Obama was a great United States President" and I cited "great" with a comment made by Bill Clinton, that would still be an obvious point of view. He may be qualified to make that assertion and trying his best to be objective, but it's still just a point of view. In that case, instead of just saying he was great, we would cite facts and information and let the reader decide for themselves, per WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV. For example, we'd mention things that he did, opinion polls that were conducted, awards that he won etc. and then a reader can look at all that and decide for themselves; they don't have an opinion forced on them. Same thing here, instead of writing that he's "prominent", mention that he wrote books, that people have studied those books, that he's in the hall of fame of a municipality etc. etc. and that way, the reader decides for themselves whether or not he's prominent. Canadian   Paul  14:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

OK! Mercy11 (talk) 20:50, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Living Olympians
Hi Paul. I've now started work on post-war fencers, and just need a bit of advise. The category Category:Possibly living people indicates this is for people aged 90+ who don't have any death details, which I'm fine with (minus your rules on different nationalities). So I assume anyone born after 1920 (IE aged upto 89yrs, 364 days) who has no death details listed should be placed in the all-encompasing category Category:Living people? I've done this with my latest addition Fulvio Galimi. Thanks!  Lugnuts  (talk) 18:22, 9 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yup, that's true. The year that they're actually turning 90 (ie. 1920 at present) I feel can kind of go either way really (think WP:IAR), but I'll be keeping an eye on those anyways, so if you want to follow the rule to the letter and leave them in Living People until they turn 90, that's fine, I'll shift them into PLP when the time comes if I don't find any recent evidence of them being alive. Anyhow, keep up the good work! Canadian   Paul  01:04, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Grab some glory, and a barnstar
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Joseph Malta
Hello, i'd reverted your edit in this article. I can't find this name in the public SSDI database, i'd tried it on footnote and on ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com. There are eleven resp. twelve Persons with this näme, but none matches either the given birth or death date. Are there hidden databases or did'nt i search the database correctly? --Pflastertreter (talk) 18:50, 14 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Doing a little search of my own, I figured out that it was because the individual with those dates is listed under Jose Malta. I still can't figure out how I connected the two individuals though, so I don't have any objections if you want to keep it off the page. Canadian   Paul  21:36, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I assume, your daily usage of that database made your search a little bit smarter than mine, you abbreviated his name, as same people conveniently do :-)). So I'll place this as reference in the article, i cannot believe, that there would be more persons with an identical birth date (found in an interview in a german newspaper) and (nearly) the same name. Thanks for your support, --Pflastertreter (talk) 19:30, 15 June 2010 (UTC) P.S.: If you look at this searchresult, you'll find him as the first person. Place of death and place of birth matches either the linked AP-report in the article and a reference made in a german newspaper at that time (Zeit, linked in german-wp). The third person in that list matches the name exactly and is given with the same Suffolk county, where the birthplace of Jose was given with Revere. Maybe a brother, they were 21 children in the family. But he has a military record saying, he was on duty in Hawai in WWII. --Pflastertreter (talk) 20:22, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Another Fanboy List Disaster
Greetings,

Please check this new list out here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_oldest_living_men

This list has several issues, including arbitrary inclusion and lack of standards. If one is to include SOME unvalidated cases (113ers from Thailand) but not others (such as 122-year-old claims), there must be an explanation. I would prefer a separate "unvalidated" list like on the "list of living supercentenarians" page, if anything. Ryoung 122 17:34, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with you (and, since I posted it there, your comment on Derby's page, haha), but I'm not sure what's to be done. On articles like this (although not this one specifically), I try to fix it up and introduce standards, but people incessantly revert. I try and then nominate for deletion based on the same type of argument and reasoning that you've presented above, but people don't seem to care that there's no standards for the list or foundation in reliable sources, and that it's really just a collection of (for example, with this article) "the oldest living men you could find", but no one seems to care. Not sure what can be done really. I won't nominate it for deletion myself, but if you do, I'll support you in it. I might even try some clean up later on, not that I think it will do much good... Canadian   Paul  15:26, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Mona Ray
An anonymous IP recently edited her article amending the DOB and giving the DoD as 1986. The additional information looks like it came from somewhere (as opposed to being made up!) but hasn't been cited. I've asked the IP for a source but don't hold high hopes that they'll respond any time soon. I can't find anything on the internet corrsponding to the new info. Should we accept it? DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 19:56, 26 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, from looking at the page, looking at the SSDI, and looking at the response your question, it's a tough one. It all checks out, but we have yet to see any evidence that this person didn't just find a name in the SSDI and build a story around (although I admit that's unlikely). What I think would really clench it is if they could provide a citation for the news report where she becomes Mona Pestana... then the SSDI takes care of the rest and it's really no different from all the other times that that source is used as a citation for someone who was possibly living. I know I'll be removing her off the talk for list of centenarians and my own nonagenarian list, but it's up to you how far you want to stretch WP:IAR. Canadian   Paul  15:26, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Chase Clements
Greetings. I came here wondering if you could supply a source for the Date of Death for Chase Clements, as I was unaware of what SSDI was. I see from earlier conversions that SSDI is the Social Security Death Index. So, now I'm intrigued. How does one search the SSDI?--GrapedApe (talk) 16:07, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi. In order to search the SSDI, you just need to go to http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ and fill in the information (advanced search is usually better for common names) and, while you cannot link directly to the results, you can create a convenience link by clicking on the SS-5 Letter link, which gives you this (for George Clements, anyways). Generally it's better to then use the date you find to do a Google news archive search for an obituary, but that doesn't always work (if the obituary doesn't exist or was never uploaded etc.) You might run into WP:BLP problems if you use it for someone who is still thought to be living (since it might be construed to be original research), but in this case, Clements' NFL profile lists him as deceased, so there shouldn't be a problem. Canadian   Paul  22:03, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Wow, thank you very much! I'm surprised that there isn't an SSDI citation template. Maybe one could be created?--GrapedApe (talk) 03:30, 30 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I just did some searching and, apparentely, there is one! So that should be useful in the future. Canadian   Paul  15:20, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, that's almost exactly the kind of thing I was thinking of. One last question: Is there a more reliable source for the SSDI than rootsweb?  Does the Social Security office publish it in an authoritative way? Or is the rootsweb version considered pretty reliable?--GrapedApe (talk) 16:54, 30 June 2010 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, the SSDI is the only way to access the United States Death Master File. As far as reliability, it's just as likely to make a typo or an error as any news report, so if those are considered reliable, this should be as well. Canadian   Paul  15:03, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Michel
Apparently, he's known to be alive (or atleast he's in the section on List of living Nazis), and residing in Kiel in 2010. Should we delete out that sentence? -- Connormah (talk &#124; contribs) 23:52, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Doing a quick Google search (including the news and books), I couldn't find anything (although I could have missed it of course), but I'm suspicious if there's no citation. That page has been wrong on multiple occasions, so given his age and his status (ie. someone with a vested interest in not having people know whether or not he's alive) I'd say remove it until a citation can be found. It looks like, from the surrounding edits, that someone just added in all the Nazis that they could find on Wikipedia without death dates, although most of them happened to be verifiably alive within the last few years, so it's possibly just a good faith mistake:  Canadian   Paul  02:04, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting find. Thanks. Connormah (talk &#124; contribs) 04:19, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Allan Louisy
Thank you very much! It's nice to hear someone appreciates this sort of work. Hut 8.5 19:56, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

H. Owen Reed
Regarding of H. Owen Reed from the List of centenarians (musicians, composers and music patrons): doesn't his article (and the list at Talk:Lists of centenarians) suffice? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:54, 5 July 2010 (UTC)


 * No. Per WP:V, he needs to have a citation in a reliable source for having turned 100. The Talk:List of centenarians list is just our working list so that we know the names of all the people expected to turn 100 this year. A handful of them each year do not receive citations, in many of those cases because they had already died, so until there is evidence that he has turned 100, he should be left off. Canadian   Paul  02:27, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


 * On a formal level, I understand your requirements. On a logical level, it's difficult to prove that someone is alive by the absence of death notices, of which I have found none. But the general working principle at Wikipedia is: if someone is not proven dead, he/she is considered alive.


 * I found one mention of his 100th birthday on his publisher's website, which has changed since; here is Google's cache from 26 June 2010: "On June 17, H. Owen Reed will celebrate his 100th birthday."


 * If your argument is taken to its logical conclusion, you should tag Reed's article for proof of being alive and remove the categories and . -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Well it can't be that difficult to prove that someone is alive in the absence of a death notice, because all of the other people that have been added for 1910 have citations. In general there's always a handful of the individuals on the talk page that don't come up with citations, some because they are deceased, others because they just don't get announcements until after they die. It's unfortunate, but Wikipedia has no deadline and material must be verifiable. The general working principle at Wikipedia is that someone over the age of 90, for whom no documentation has been provided within in a reasonable amount of time, can be moved to Category:Possibly living people instead of Category:Living people, so I have no objection if you want to put him there and remove the "centenarians" category as well. As for the citation, I've seen that, but it's not proof that he made his 100th birthday, as it was posted before and the statement has not yet been updated, even if the website has. Canadian   Paul  01:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for correcting me here. I acted based on this. Cheers. Sole Soul (talk) 01:28, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem, this has been quite a tricky issue. I think that the other Wikipedias changed off of the English one, which for a long time had January 5, 2009. Now that I'm better at reading Arabic, however, I agree with the comment on the talk page that it lists him as alive, not deceased. Canadian   Paul  04:34, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

José Feans
Hi! Well, I've no idea how I could have put that instead of the English one, which obviously was the reference I used when I translated the article into Catalan. I'm going to correct it right now. Thank you very much for your observation. Regards, --Góngora (Talk) 18:29, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It happens to me that I could have made a mistake while I was translating also articles from other boxers. In most cases, I just changed the basic information while leaving the structure intact. I probably left the birthdate of another boxer unconsciously. --Góngora (Talk) 18:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, it seems a coincidence, indeed. By the way, nice to see another Cossack Wikipedian around here ;). Cheers, --Góngora (Talk) 14:13, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Audrey Williamson
An anonymous IP reported she died on April 29, 2010 as per a report in The Times. However I can find no trace of this online. Thoughts? Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 09:44, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

List of living centenarians
Hello. I started an article list of living centenarians last night and found it being considered for deletion today. Unfortunately my computer skills (compared to advanced editors) are quite low. Therefore I had been expecting for someone else to create this article and requested its creation a few weeks ago. However since none of the editors deemed its existence essential, I decided to start the article myself.

As for the importance of this list I can say that it could save a huge amount of time for some researchers. Indeed, several longevity and centenarian fellows I know have emphasized that the best way to detect "fresh" centenarians (notable people who've just turned 100) is visiting Wikipedia's list of centenarians. However, as you might see this article is split in 18 pages which is the core of the problem. Now imagine a researcher clicking on all of those 18 links separately and checking all the centenarians on those lists who've turned 100 in 2010. Obviously, this process is time-consuming. I do believe it would be much more convenient to click on List of living centenarians, sort entries by age and simply observe new entries. That would take a few seconds and make researchers' lives much more easier.

In fact, none of the lists concerning centenarians need to be deleted. What has to be done for efficiency is the reorganization of these lists so that an editor doesn't have to write an entry twice. That is, by adding a living person to one of those 18 lists the same entry is automatically added to the list of living centenarians and on the contrary. This is where my low computer skills show up as I have no idea how to do that. I'll be extremely thankful for any support in organizing the list of centenarians as a whole since currently the article is inefficient and very time-consuming for most researchers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Septuaginta (talk • contribs) 07:55, 7 August 2010 (UTC)


 * You should leave your comments at the deletion debate, which can be found here, so that other people discussing the article can assess your comments before they vote. My only comment here is that this used to be one single list, but it became too big. By solving that problem, of course, they raised another one which is the inefficiency. Canadian   Paul  16:13, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Fencers (again!)
Hi Paul. I notice you've updated some of my stubs with "Date of birth per new reference". I assume you don't manually trawl SportsReference.com on the off-chance that this has been updated? Is their an update subscription service of some kind? Or maybe I missed them off to begin with! I also added Red Wing (actress) to the list of 100+ yr old actors, but was unsure of the sort order. Thanks.  Lugnuts  (talk) 09:36, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Nope, you're not missing anything - I cheat. I do research with the group that provides the data for Sports Reference, so I'm on the mailing list and catch the new information weeks before it ever makes it to SR. I keep track of any lifespan updates that pertain to athletes with Wiki articles so that when they get uploaded to SR (and thus are no longer original research or preempting the work of others) I know exactly who to update.


 * Also, regarding Red Wing, that would have been my guess too... Canadian   Paul  19:43, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Grady Wallace DOB
I know you're a good person to seek regarding death dates, but I was wondering if you could use your skills to help me find a birth date instead. I've been able to confirm Grady Wallace's date of death as August 17, 2006 by numerous sources, but I cannot find his date or year of birth. The articles have stated that he was 72 years old when he died, meaning he was born in either 1932 or 1933 (if my math is correct). If you have a chance, could you help me? Jrcla2 (talk) 13:33, 20 August 2010 (UTC),


 * I took a pretty thorough look, but I couldn't find anything on his date of birth, sorry. Different sources have 71 and 72 as the age of his death, meaning a YOB between 1933 and 1935, but I couldn't find anything even close to that in the usual free public sources. He appears to be one of the small percentage of people who doesn't appear in the SSDI, but if I come up with anything, I'll let you know. Canadian   Paul  21:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay thanks. Yeah he's a rarity, that's for sure. Jrcla2 (talk) 00:08, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:List of the verified oldest people
Hi Paul,

I'd value your input in the above discussion. Similar additions have been made to List of the verified oldest men. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 21:57, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Hinkel vs. Henkel
The confusions concerning the spelling of the last name, and resulting page moves, could have been avoided if you had placed your comments concerning the spelling of the last name on the talk page for the article. To avoid on-going confusions that other editors may have in the future, I have added your comments from Djsasso‎'s talk page to the Roy Henkel/Hinkel talk page. Also, do you have any relationship to the IP editor 96.52.5.187? Dolovis (talk) 22:39, 24 September 2010 (UTC)


 * My two edit summaries were "New information per new reference" and "Correct spelling of surname per new reference". Therefore, it would be expected that anyone questioning the spelling of the name would review the source (it's only two small paragraphs) and uncover the rationale for doing so. If it was still unclear, a message could have easily been left with me (ie. "Are you sure that that source is not in error?") and you would have received a response similar to the one on DJSasso's talk page, except without the frustration. You neither left me a message nor read the source (at least I assume so, since the explanation you sought was right there), so placing comments about the spelling of the name would apparently not have prevented the confusion or the page moves. And yes, I know who the IP is, but since they've done nothing wrong, I see no reason to out them. Do you have any objection to me restoring the Henkel spelling? I believe the only issue worth discussing is whether or not "Hinkel" falls under the "common name" rule, but I'll leave a message about that on the article talk page. Canadian   Paul  03:26, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If you want to use an alternate name for Hinkel, then I request that you reference it with reliable 3rd party sources. Almost all references to Hinkel use the "Hinkel" spelling, so you should reference the research that purports to correct this error. Remember - the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. Dolovis (talk) 17:22, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * For the third time, please actually read the reference that I provided, as everything is explained clearly there. As I mentioned before, Sports Reference was rated one of TIME Magazine's Top 50 Best Websites, so I don't see any problem with the reliability of the source that I have provided. The correct spelling of his surname is perfectly verifiable - but only if you take the time out to actually read the reference I have provided. Canadian   Paul  17:29, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Places of birth & death in life brackets
Hi Canadian Paul. In the edit summary to an edit made by you earlier today, you stated that "the manual of style still says no places of birth and death in the life brackets". Whilst I believe that you are correct, as I seem to recollect seeing something to this effect, I cannot trace the actual quidelines and would be grateful if you could assist. I need to provide such source with regard to an edit made elsewhere by me. Many thanks. Davshul (talk) 14:42, 26 September 2010 (UTC)


 * It used to be at WP:DATE, but it was removed at some point and I never saw the discussion about it, so it no longer explicitly states that there (under the section "Dates of birth and death"). I thought maybe that meant the policy had been abolished, but then I saw this message left on the talk page of a user who was removing places of birth and death from the body of the article and placing them within the lifespan brackets... on closer inspection I guess it doesn't cover Ovadia Yosef's case (because his place of birth IS notable in this case), so I guess you can revert me if you'd like... but I know that I haven't seen a featured article or example at WP:DATE that includes it within those brackets. Canadian   Paul  15:33, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

George Weedon (gymnast)
I have a copy of The Lyonian beside me which documents this. But is a British public school magazine good enough for you? I was trying to find a better ref online. Perhaps a more useful task for you than tagging articles would be for you to hunt for such references too? Silent Billy (talk) 06:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Regrettably my partner has tidied my desk and I can't put my hand on the magazine. I will keep searching. In regard to the small additions to Geo.'s bio they are pretty innocuous. I mean saying that a 90 year old former sportsman took up teaching at one point 50 years ago isn't exactly libelous and can surely stand until verified a bit more. It added a bit of colour to an otherwise boring listing of a plucky British participant's failures at international level. As for searching for references for disputed facts in articles well that's what I do - mostly as an anon. In addition when you write a new article I reckon one should have a bit more information to hand on the subject matter than can already be found listed in one other site elsewhere on the internet using a simple Google search. What else is Wikipedia for but to consolidate information from a variety of sources? Just regurgitating material from one other site seems pointless. Silent Billy (talk) 02:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll just respond here, given your talk message - I disagree that it's pointless. For one thing, more people come to Wikipedia then would browse a BBC article just to learn about the gymnast. More importantly, however, even if you base an article off of one source at the beginning, you're giving it the potential to grow into more sources. An IP address can't start a new page, but it can add information to one that is already there. It's exactly what you did, in fact, add information from a source that isn't available online. I've also seen numerous articles that have been edited by family members who provide exclusive information - maybe from a source that only a very limited amount of people would have access to (something they kept because it related to their relative that no one else was likely to hold on to) or even unpublished information that they can verify using the OTRS system. This happened, for example, when Godtfred Holmvang's son in law sent OTRS a death certificate when the notice hadn't been published online. Laying a foundation can be just as important as consolidating information from hard-to-get sources. Canadian   Paul  01:31, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Marko Račič
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User:Canadian Paul/Hockey
Just dug up an old NHL Guidebook (2006) - it has a list of retired players with indication if they are deceased or not, but it doesn't have any dates - I'll have a look through your list. To start things off, it lists Mann as deceased, but Howard looks to be still living (as the books says) in 2006. See you around, Connormah (talk) 22:45, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Just got through the list - all seem to be listed as living in 2006 except Norman Mann - hope this can help in some way. Connormah (talk) 22:53, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It does help, thanks! I can cross Mann off the list with a reliable source and add Jack Howard to the list of the living (since alive in 2006 is good enough for the living people category). Thanks for the tips! Canadian   Paul  04:40, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem - I'll look for a more updated guidebook, though, that give us a better idea of who's living and deceased - I'll also search around for a death date for Mann. Connormah (talk) 16:03, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Just picked up a 2011 Guidebook - all players in Possibly living are listed as alive, along with Jack Howard. Connormah (talk) 18:57, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Another thing - it lists Gord Reid (ice hockey), Gaston Leroux (ice hockey) and George Brown (ice hockey) as living, though I see you've marked as deceased - strange. Not sure how reliable this is, this seems to conflict lots of the info you've put up (some of the 2006 book dates are off, plus '06 lists Al Suomi as deceased, though 2011 has him alive), but it's a good starting point resource. Connormah (talk) 19:07, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... I think maybe a lot of the players that it lists as "alive" may be just "possibly living", because I know that Reid, Leroux, and Brown are all deceased (Suomi has been touted as the oldest living NHL player by numerous reliable sources)... I wonder if I should change Howard back to "possibly living"... Anyways, a colleague of mine who is a member of the Society for International Hockey Research (SIHR) emailed me to say that the database lists Norman Mann as dying on February 9, 1994, but there is no additional information on any of the other players... that should wrap up the Mann case... Canadian   Paul  03:35, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I've also found a death date for Ernest Campbell - I've removed him from the table. Connormah (talk) 00:14, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Wow, great stuff! Find a grave never works properly for me when I try to find DODs, so thanks for that! Canadian  Paul  04:29, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Another thing, you can add Gerard Amerongen to your Nonagenarians list - he is living, he appears in an recent news article, and numerous others (I searched through the Canadian Newsstand database). Connormah (talk) 01:59, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip! He is, however, already on the list! Canadian   Paul  06:40, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Erich Priebke is also living and can be added. Connormah (talk) 19:21, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... that's odd... he used to be listed at genarians.com... maybe he got removed? By accident? Canadian   Paul  08:40, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * He's still alive - I recall a news article on him from a couple months ago. Weird. Connormah (talk) 17:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * William W. Momyer is turning 95 this year and can be added, IIRC. Connormah (talk) 00:07, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Seth J. McKee is also turning 95, but has no specific DOB. Connormah (talk) 00:17, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Found a date for McKee and added both. Thanks for the tips! Canadian   Paul  06:21, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * NP: Here's another 1920 birth: William G. Moore Jr., and 3 1921s: David Charles Jones, George J. Eade, F. Michael Rogers. William V. McBride, who was born in 1922, needs a specific DOB, also, if you could help. Thanks. Connormah (talk) 22:53, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll have a look at those names shortly. Canadian   Paul  05:57, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Couldn't find anything on McBride, sorry. Thanks for the other names though! Canadian   Paul  06:22, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Another three..Brockway McMillan is alive and turning 96 in March, Joseph V. Charyk is turning 91 in September, and Alexander H. Flax is turning 90 in a couple weeks. Connormah (talk) 19:51, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks again! Canadian   Paul  06:22, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Just pulled McBride's DOB from LOC CIP data. Connormah (talk) 23:25, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The CIP data also shows Warren Wilson (actor) to be alive, see http://authorities.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?AuthRecID=356767&v1=1&HC=1&SEQ=20110113184005&PID=GFCJCJXmZH3OcetUxpKN-vkdo .. Connormah (talk) 23:41, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... I've tried to access that site a couple of times now and it hasn't worked... Canadian   Paul  05:48, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * See for instructions of how to look him up. Connormah (talk) 22:57, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Rollback rights
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 * Reason for requesting rollback TucsonDavid (talk) 16:03, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to request rollback to make it easier to revert multiple edits by the same vandal/vandals on a page. I understand that this is a right is a privliage and should only be used for reverting obvious vandalism and can be taken away if misued.

I withdraw my request.TucsonDavid (talk) 02:20, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Can you please review this deletion many feel is in error?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/TFcon


 * Deletion review requests should be taken to WP:DRV. Canadian   Paul  04:43, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Arbitration on Longevity
Since you've been involved to some extent on longevity-related articles, you may wish to comment on a pending request for arbitration in this field. TML (talk) 05:49, 19 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I am interested in commenting actually, so thank you for the notice. I want to review everything before I do, however, so I probably won't add my two cents until tomorrow. Canadian   Paul  06:32, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Semi-protection of Deaths in 2010
Hi Canadian Paul,

Would you mind reviewing the semi-protection applied to the Deaths in 2010 article? It is preventing IP address editors from directly editing the article. The semi-protection was added by User:Cirt, presumably because I had added an unauthoritative blog as a death reference. It was a gross over-reaction in my opinion and served no direct purpose other than chiding me! Thanks for your consideration. Regards, WWGB (talk) 06:19, 22 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi WWGB. I have to admit, I'm a bit conflicted... on one hand, I'm very unsatisfied with the sourcing for Britton Chance's death (I would think that at least a handful of uncontroversially reliable sources would report the death of an American Olympic gold medal winner who also went on to become a famous medical researcher within a week of the death), but on the other hand I feel that there is a bit of an overreaction as well... maybe not throwing out the baby with the bathwater, but something along those lines. There seems to be a thread at WP:BLPN, so I think I'll make some more general comments there. Canadian   Paul  06:12, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Small, but hurried request
Hey Canadian Paul,

I notice you are online. My user page was hm... kind of odd when I was in high school (see for yourself). I just remembered this now, knowing that I am showing someone some of the code I've written for Wikipedia and am hoping to avoid the embarrassment of being held to public account for my teenager self's sense of humour. Can you do me a very big favor and use admin magic to make those revision pages disappear? Feel free to zap this request as well. You would have my gratitude, even though I'm a continent away.

Thanks, Monk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monk of the highest order (talk • contribs) 06:59, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * In response to your question: Ideally, my December 17th, 2006 user page (because of its edit summary) and all the userpages before it. Thanks for responding. -- Monk of the highest order (t) 07:18, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. :D -- Monk of the highest order (t) 07:22, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Bill Benford
Not sure if you've looked, but a there's a "William Benford" that shows up on the SSDI with a birthdate of 15 March 1902 and a death date of Nov 1981 - now there's no way to verify that this may be Bill Benford, but just FYI. Connormah (talk) 02:37, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi. I did see that, but unfortunately there's no solid way to connect that William Benford with Tommy's brother. From my Google searching, it seems that there is some uncertainty as to whether Bill was born in 1902 (he may have been born a year or two earlier) or if his real name is just "Bill" (as opposed to being short for "William"). If you have an ancestry.com account, you could probably look up the record and see if he has any relations that are the same as Tommy (or if he's even listed as having a sibling named Thomas), but otherwise it's going to be difficult... Canadian   Paul  07:00, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Please check article about Ukrainians
Sorry for any inconvenience, but please check the work of several users when it comes to a site about Ukrainians and Ukrainian culture in general. Results of several users are evident example of intolerance towards Ukrainians and their culture. Users do not use facts and sources and they also deliberately deleted relevant sources. I think that such work is a shame for Wikipedia. Administrators should particularly pay attention on hidden fascism of several users with completly antiukrainian sentiment and their usles interpretations. History of Russia and Ukraine is specialy not objectiv. Incompetent users often delete all traces of the existence of Ukrainians in Russian history and often does not allow others to engage in the work of the development of Wikipedia. I believe in honest and professional work but when I read articles about Ukrainians I realy dont see it. I hope you'll make an exception and help to remove abusers of Wikipedia when it comes to the articles about Ukrainians. Best regards!--SeikoEn (talk) 13:11, 13 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you have any concrete examples of this? Some diffs or sections of articles? Canadian   Paul  05:37, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Chuck Riley
See - not really reliable, but I guess it's something... Connormah (talk) 03:50, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Seems suspicious, since there's no record near that in the SSDI. I know the SSDI incomplete for that era, but it's still too unreliable to insert into the article I think. Thanks for checking though! Canadian   Paul  17:28, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I emailed the University of New Mexico Alumni Association - maybe they have something. Connormah (talk) 19:42, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Rangeblock request
Sorry to disturb you. I don't know if you could do rangeblocks, but if you could, can you block the 114.79.0.0/21 range (or at least the 114.79.1.0/24, 114.79.2.0/24, and 114.79.5.0/24 ranges)? They were used by the notorious IP-hopping Indonesian misinformation vandal who deliberately introduces wrong info onto Digimon, telenovela, anime, Little League, and now NBC and CBS News related articles from different IP ranges. Below are the addresses he has used just from the past few weeks alone:


 * - Has just used this address today.
 * - Has just used this address today.
 * - Has just used this address today.
 * - Has just used this address today.
 * - Has just used this address today.
 * - Has just used this address today.

Hoping for your quick and timely response to this message. Thanks in advance. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 10:48, 20 December 2010 (UTC)


 * PS: I've also put this request to two other admins who are familiar with this vandal, but they're out right now. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 10:48, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Never mind. The range he's in has already been blocked. Thanks anyway and let's keep our eyes peeled. (I know what this guy's capable of doing). Again, sorry to disturb you. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 11:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

No problem at all. Sorry that I couldn't have been more help. Canadian  Paul  06:41, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

George M. Smith
Many thanks for finding the citation about George Smith who was the Lieutenant Governor of Wisconsin-RFD (talk) 12:35, 6 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm actually a little disappointed in myself that I didn't find that the first time I edited the page, months ago... Canadian   Paul  06:13, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Abdul Majid Zabuli for deletion
The article Abdul Majid Zabuli is being discussed concerning whether it is suitable for inclusion as an article according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Abdul Majid Zabuli until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. David in DC (talk) 20:34, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Bill Clement/Emlyn Gwynne/ William "Billo" Rees/
Hi Canadian Paul, I was just thinking... with Bill Clement being a rugby union international, and Emlyn Gwynne and William "Billo" Rees "only" being rugby league international footballers, it may be that Bill Clement’s distinction of being "Wales' oldest international" may have referred just to rugby union international footballers. Although, it is likley that Emlyn Gwynne, and William "Billo" Rees are dead, I’ve not found any direct evidence as yet. Cheers. DynamoDegsy (talk) 08:31, 21 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... I didn't even notice... sorry about that! You're correct: feel free to revert me on it. Canadian   Paul  17:41, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Elsa Moberg


The article Elsa Moberg has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * No sources. Unencyclopedic. Relied exclusively on two putative "references" that were not obviously about Elsa Moberg and that are raw data maintained by gerontology researchers and longevity hobbyists. Neither is a reliable source. What's left is a name, birthday, a guesstimate for date of death and unsourced statements about where the subject lived. I deleted unnecessary, and unencyclopedic info, and focus on, another "record-holder". The focus in many longevity bios, on "record-holding" by nationality, occupation, blood type or what-have-you is unencyclopedic. The WP:WALLEDGARDEN needs pruning.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. David in DC (talk) 23:34, 21 January 2011 (UTC) Timestamp: 20110121233043

DYK for Iris Cummings
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   12:03, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Cacilda Borges Barbosa
http://ifba.edu.br/noticias/madrigal-do-ifba-participa-dos-170-anos-de-vitoria-da-conquista.html Pkeets (talk) 04:58, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Sina Berlinski
I have just proposed Sina Berlinski for deletion. She seems to be mainly notable for her husband, not herself. The information on her could be covered in his article. Jaque Hammer (talk) 08:16, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Iris Cummings GA nomination
On hold to allow you to address one minor comment. Regards, BencherliteTalk 10:06, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * And we're done. Good work, interesting article.  Well done.  BencherliteTalk 18:37, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for the review! Canadian   Paul  05:23, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

ArbCom
Your name has been mentioned in recent evidence for an arbitration case filed on 2010-11-18. You were not originally named as a party, but I am sending this notice proforma to editors named in evidence, before the workshop period closes. If you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Longevity/Workshop, or elsewhere on that page or the case's four talk pages. Additionally, the following resources may be of use— Thanks, JJB 21:11, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Arbitration/Requests;
 * Arbitration guide.


 * Thanks for the notice. Hopefully I'll get a chance to check it out tomorrow (for real this time). Canadian   Paul  05:24, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Alphonse Alley
There has been some discussion about finding a source for the death date for Alphonse Alley. I've looked back at the early editing history, and am asking the editors who contributed back then (including you) if they have time to comment at Talk:Alphonse Alley, to help clear things up here. Carcharoth (talk) 10:42, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Al-Mundhir III ibn al-Harith GAN
Hello Paul! I've finished going through the article, and think that I've addressed your concerns. Have a look at your earliest convenience. Thanks again for taking the time! Cheers, Constantine  ✍  11:59, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Lynn Carlton Higby
Hi I reverted an edit with the article Lynn Carlton Higby, an US Federal Court judge. The editor indicated that Higby died in 1992 in Florida but I could not find any solid evidence. The US Federal Court Judiciary center still list him as being alive. There may be a possiblility he died. A lawyer website listed him as deceased. I hope you can help. Thank you-RFD (talk) 14:36, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Also my thanks for finding the day of death for former Wisconsin Lt. Gov. George M. Smith!!!!RFD (talk) 14:38, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi. The best I could find is a SSDI entry for "L C Higby", born August 6, 1938, died February 15, 1992: . As this individual died in Flordia, the details line up and I'm almost certain that it's him. I don't know if that will pass on Wikipedia, but if you have another reliable source stating that he is deceased, then you're probably safe with including the information. Canadian   Paul  06:35, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I found a citation and added it on to the article. It was Higby's law firm; he was listed as deceased. I sent an e-mail to the Federal Judiciary Center mentioning that Higby died in 1992 and asked if they can update their files. I have done this regarding members of the United States Congress by e-mailing the House Clerk who writes the Congressional Biography: CongBio. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 16:52, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Patrick Horsbrugh
Materialscientist (talk) 18:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)