User talk:Canadian Paul/Wgolf Suggestions to Archive Request

Person who I think should go under year of death missing instead of possibly living
João Pereira (swimmer), born in 1905-that would make him one of the oldest people ever. I think that maybe he should be removed from there. (I found a few other odd ones on the possibly living section such as a politician who was in the 20s even), I have found some I moved there recently and a few I have found are alive. (One case was someone listed under year of death missing who in fact is alive and well and was even working on films in the 90s) But yes this seems to be a case where it is likely they are dead. (I am just looking up people in this cat for some reason)

Wgolf (talk) 23:51, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Well I have removed nearly all the 19th century people out of Possibly living people

So yeah just a few remain, I did add quite a few people as well that were very questionable. (Some of them I doubt are alive, but you never know) It took a while. Still am finding some to add and/or remove from that cat. Anyway, some odd ones I knew couldn't be alive such as one guy that was in WW1 and in the 1920 Olympics. While some people that were listed as living instead of possible living were born as early as 1902! It does get hectic for sure! Well good luck editing!

Wgolf (talk) 21:30, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


 * And then I just added a bunch more into possibly living-quite a bit of them seem to be Brazilian swimmers who were born in the 1910's that someone added about a year ago (with no info on them for years which it seemed that the one adding them was under the impression that no date of death meant they were alive)

I could show which ones might need a look after... Wgolf (talk) 01:00, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

All good stuff, thanks. When it comes to Olympians, drop a message on my talk page and I might be able to help, since I have access to a lot of offline resources that can help determine whether or not they are alive. Feel free to leave any names you want me to check on my talk page... I'm off on a month-long research trip soon, so I can't promise that I'll get to them soon, but I will get to them. Canadian  Paul  18:28, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks-over the weekend I was finding some that seemed unlikey (one just made me laugh that I knew couldn't possibly be alive when it said something like "Published a book in 1910") And I managed to find some online also. One guy this morning I found was a Australian footballer from the 20s I knew couldn't be alive and found enough proof when I saw his son was born in the 20s and that his son mentioned his fathers passing in a interview. I was trying to find some info about a bunch of film people from the 1940s-1970s recently but some just seemed impossible to be alive but still put as possibly living (Like a guy who worked on the Ten Commandments-probably not alive but no info otherwise) I also figured anyone who was in any sports pre 1925 is likely dead. (to my knowledge only one Olympian from 1928 is alive even) Now here are some people that are listed as living/possibly living that are born before 1915, but have no link to turning 100: Arnulf Solvoll, Marie Luise Bulst-Thiele, Jack O'Reilly, Eleanor Sokoloff, Elizabeth Hartley (Girl Guides), Mordechaï Podchlebnik, William Morton (tenor), Charles Foley (journalist), Israel Zafrir, Miguel Ángel Pantó, Abdul Karim Disu, Pedro Pagés. Most of those are either listed as living or recently were moved from living into possibly living.

Wgolf (talk) 18:57, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

As it seems unlikely they be alive. Hermine Riss, P. C. Bhattacharya, Allan G.S. Coombs, Lev Borisovich Helfand, Erling Poppe, Floyd E. Shurbert, James Frederick Sangala, Earl W. Warren

People who I am considering: Rita Gorgonowa-she is under missing people, William Thomas (rugby league born c. 1905)-He is listed as possibly born in 1905, but it seems likely he is dead now., Rd Ariffien-likely, can't find a list for this country and Indonesia seems to be famous for having very longevity claims, Luis-Augusto García-this is one that someone might of just put born in the 1900s meaning the 20th century given how they played tennis in the late 60s

Wgolf (talk) 20:02, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Well I just found a bunch of politicians from Wisconsin with no date of death that were under possibly living-which if they were really alive they be the oldest ones ever and would have tons of coverage on them. (Was looking up some political people then and found a bunch from there) Wgolf (talk) 20:27, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Also, if you could please not edit my user pages directly, as the last three entries you added to the Olympic list were inappropriate. As I mentioned above, I have many offline resources that indicate that many people listed as "living" or "possibly living" on Wikipedia are actually deceased, I just don't have Wikipedia-appropriate evidence to prove it. Thanks. Canadian  Paul  23:31, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Ha okay sorry
Well the link had no ref to him dying and I couldn't find any info on the last Swiss one so that was what I was using, well thanks!

Wgolf (talk) 00:24, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Someone who you put as deceased earlier but has since became possibly living
I just noticed on the history for this one: Sekiji Sasano it is possibly living though you did put deceased. Not sure where to find if they are or not though now. (looks like someone changed it soon after you did) Just wanted to point this out really quick, thanks.

Wgolf (talk) 03:09, 26 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I've restored him to the "year of death missing" category with the same citation. I'll look at everything else when I a more reliable internet connection. Canadian   Paul  13:51, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

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Oldest ever Asian person
Hello CanadianPaul,

It was suggested by DerbyCountyinNZ that I contact you directly regarding an issue to do with Misao Okawa's article.

I was in favour of including the information that she is now the oldest verified person from Asia now that she has surpassed the final age of Tane Ikai.

However, Derby undid my edits, citing WP:SYNTH, WP:OR, and WP:TRIVIA.

He claims (and I quote):


 * 1) Wikipedeia is not the GRG.
 * 2) Nothing in the GRG list mentions Asia.
 * 3) Using Okawa's nationality from the GRG conclude that she is from Asia violates WP:SYNTH (even if it is true).
 * 4) Mentioning that Okawa is the oldest person from Asia without a proper citation that actually mentions that this is the case violates OR.
 * 5) If there is any citation used in her article that does not mention she is from Japan I would be surprised (I'm not going to bother checking ALL of them). None of them (AFAIK) mention anything about Asia.
 * 6) The fact that there is no mention in any source that Okawa is the oldest person in Asia is sufficient to conclude that this information is trivia and including it would violate WP:TRIVIA.

Now, I understand that rules and guidelines exist for a reason - however, sometimes, breaking the rules are not a bad thing.

The GRG lists do not include continents, but they do include country of birth and death - and I really don't think that we need a separate citation to tell us that Japan is in Asia.

I refer to the one of the "Five pillars of Wikipedia" - namely "Wikipedia has no firm rules: Wikipedia has policies and guidelines, but they are not carved in stone; their content and interpretation can evolve over time. Their principles and spirit matter more than their literal wording, and sometimes improving Wikipedia requires making an exception.".

Furthermore, I refer to WP:WIARM and WP:UCS.

"Wikipedia has many rules. Instead of following every rule, it is acceptable to use common sense as you go about editing. Being too wrapped up in rules can cause loss of perspective, so there are times when it is better to ignore a rule. Even if a contribution "violates" the precise wording of a rule, it might still be a good contribution."

One of the goals of longevity-related articles is to inform readers about longevity records and those who hold them. Unfortunately, by following Wikipedia's rules to the letter and showing no willingness to allow common sense to prevail, Derby is hindering us in our attempt to achieve these goals.

He claims that consensus has already been reached on the talk page to not include this information - however, that consensus was related to the inclusion of lists of longevity milestones.

If you have the time, I would appreciate hearing your thoughts on this.

Cheers,

Ollie231213 (talk) 12:44, 31 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Let me take a look. Canadian   Paul  13:38, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Oldest VFL/AFL player
Hi Paul. I've seen you make some edits to Aussie rules article with the edit summary that Jack Pimm is the oldest living VFL/AFL player. You might be interested in this article I just came across from Carlton Football Club which has Mac Wilson (born 1914) as the oldest living player instead, with Pimm apparently not even making the top six. Best, Jenks24 (talk) 11:51, 8 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Dammit, I shouldn't have trusted that other source. I'm abroad with spotty internet right now, but I'll try and clean up my mess soon. Thanks for letting me know! Canadian   Paul  13:37, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Sailing at the Olympics
Canadian Paul,

Thanks for helping to get the information on the pages about sailing at the Olympics correct. You are one of the few who adding value to the pages. In stead of removing valuable pictures or other info for reasons I never understand.

Regards,

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 * Thanks. I do what I can! Canadian   Paul  17:28, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

GA review
I have started reviewing Egypt at the 2012 Summer Olympics, for some reason the bot hasn't told you yet.  NickGibson3900 Talk 10:30, 10 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Great, thanks for letting me know! For fair disclosure, you may want to review the talk page, and particularly the last GA review, to understand why there is a tag on the page and to decide if you really want to review the article... but I think both I and the last reviewer would greatly appreciate an outside/third opinion on the issue concerning the lead. Canadian   Paul  23:32, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Korean Olympian page moves
Hi Paul. I'd appreciate your input into this discussion. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 17:50, 2 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Sure, I'll take a look at it shortly. Canadian   Paul  17:49, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Ellen Albertini Dow
Hi. I don't want it to seem like I am edit warring but you appear to have overlooked this reflink I added: Reference to Ellen Albertini Dow's 100th birthday. Sorry for referring to your "mistake" in talk page comment. Yours, Quis separabit?  23:09, 17 November 2014 (UTC)


 * No, what I am saying (and said on the Dow talkpage) is that I don't understand why the Reference to Ellen Albertini Dow's age as 100 in what appears to be a reliable and unbiased source (businessinsider.com) is also not acceptable. Sorry for playing talkpage tag. By the way, are you going to open the discussion at WP:BLPN, which you referenced on the Dow talkpage? Yours, Quis separabit?  23:18, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Connie Dion
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Your recent change to Søren Kam
Hello Canadian Paul,

Thanks for this edit, I see you took the time to keep the permissible information. I have made a similar edit to the Danish version of the same article.

FYI, I did not cite the person's current address nor the names of any of his possibly still living relatives. In fact all the place names that I did cite are in Denmark and thus surely not connected to him anymore (due to the warrant for his arrest for murder).

As you can see from my contribution history, I have made numerous edits regarding WWII-biographies and I guess that on this one occasion, I forgot that the subject is actually alive. I will make sure to be more careful with my future contributions.

Thanks again and all the best, Lklundin (talk) 19:26, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Help with a date of birth?
Hi Canadian Paul - I seem to remember that at various points in the past you have helped with dates of birth and had access to SSDI. If you still do this sort of thing, could you help me with a date of birth for Bart Quinn, a college and professional basketball player of the late 30s/early 40s? According to this obituary, he died on March 3, 2013 at the age of 96. I'd like to create an article for the guy, but have not been able to track down a DOB. Thanks for any help/direction you can provide! Rikster2 (talk) 12:52, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * - From I got that his name is Bartus Quinn. His DOB is 19 Feb 1917.   Connormah (talk) 22:14, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Rikster2 (talk) 02:13, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, indeed, thank you Connormah. Canadian   Paul  21:26, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

John-R. Luck
Hey - can you do a search to see if John-R. Luck is still alive? I found a news reference that may suggest it (see the history), but nothing concrete. Connormah (talk) 02:53, 10 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I didn't see anything more definitive or recent than your source but, since he's under the age of 90, he should be fine in the living people category. Canadian   Paul  21:28, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Can you do a check in your sources to see if Irvin C. Scarbeck is still alive? I can't find anything. pl.wiki had that he died in prison, but he was paroled, so I think that's wrong. Connormah (talk) 23:52, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * One more thing - recently the death of Rosella Towne was reported. She had a hoax obit in 2012, but I believe this time it's correct. See the memorial link I found and cited on her page, along with an obit that someone wrote. I also found cites to her marriage to Harry Kronman. Connormah (talk) 07:38, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

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Olympians at the 1936 Summer Games
Hi Paul. I've been working on adding bios for all the sport shooters and I'm now up to 1936. I think they're all deceased, with the possible exception of this guy who was 17 when he competed.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 14:48, 25 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks for the heads up! I'll take a look shortly. Canadian   Paul  16:24, 26 January 2015 (UTC)


 * No probs. Just added this centenarian too.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 19:49, 26 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Nice find! Canadian   Paul  21:06, 26 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Went through the 1936ers and found a few more than should be in possibly living, and added all the 1948ers that you have listed in your subpage thus far. Speaking of that subpage, you have Jan Wrzosek listed there twice under 1936. Canadian   Paul  00:09, 2 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Paul. For info, I've now added bios for all the shooters at the 1948 Games. I think they're all in the correct categories for living/possibly living, etc.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 20:09, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


 * All biographies for the shooters at the 1952 Games have been created too.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 20:09, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads up. There's three that you can probably move out of "possibly living": Albert Fichefet was probably born in 1903, at least according to the Olympic report, Panagiotis Linardakis is deceased per, and André Taupin is listed as deceased in the database (although I don't have a source). Canadian   Paul  22:05, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Keith Woodall
Hey, I saw you added a DOD for keith Woodall - where did it come from? SIHR doesn't have it and I'd like to update the DB with it. On another note, Don Edwards can be added to the centenarian list if he hasn't already... Connormah (talk) 21:29, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, where'd you get the full date for Kenneth Moore (ice hockey)? Connormah (talk) 21:45, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, both of the dates came from Sports Reference, but I presume that you're asking where SR got its data. According to the notes attached to the update, Woodall's information came from a family tree, so probably on some pay site, but I don't know the full details. Moore's information came from a Winnipeg Free Press obituary. I don't have the exact date, but presumably sometime shortly after his death. Canadian   Paul  07:18, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
 * FYI - I confirmed the Woodall death per an obituary. Connormah (talk) 22:51, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey - just found another centenarian: George W. Clarke (Washington politician) Connormah (talk) 06:34, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I'll add him to the appropriate list shortly. Canadian  Paul  21:45, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

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A Jewish supercentaurian I found on the new page feed who died in 2009
Maria Pogonowska, though I can't find a category for her, was wondering if you could put her on some list. Thanks Wgolf (talk) 17:35, 1 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not even certain if she meets the notability guidelines, to be honest. I'll have to take a closer look. Canadian   Paul  21:09, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Was about to put a BLP prod on someone but the year of birth was 1921
for Stefano Ferrari, I just moved him to possibly living, thought you might be able to find if living or dead. Thanks. Wgolf (talk) 21:27, 7 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Could not find anything, which is par for the course for Italian footballers. Sorry. Canadian   Paul  23:15, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Do you know if there is a new tool to search for articles if someone is living or not and other stuff?
Since it seems this one: https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikisense/CategoryIntersect.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&basecat=1900s+births&basedeep=2&mode=cs&tagcat=Living+people&tagdeep=1&go=Scan&userlang=en no longer works. Thanks. Wgolf (talk) 02:29, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Sort of. You can type:

incategory:"Living people" incategory:"1910 births"


 * into the search bar and find all articles that are in both the "living people" and "1910 births" category. You can, of course, change out those categories for whichever ones you wish. Canadian   Paul  23:14, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Couple of people I moved to possibly living people I found
Here: Sukhamoy Sen Gupta, Ebbe Frick, Pierre Ngayewang, Einar Pihl, Harry Johansson, Gösta Gustavsson, Stig Andersson (canoeist)

Wgolf (talk) 00:46, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Also someone from 1923 who is apparently alive: Renato Cattaneo (footballer born 1923). Wgolf (talk) 20:17, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Frickand and Pihl are deceased according to the Swedish Population Database, which lists no one by those names alive who could have competed in athletic events in the 1950s, so you could probably move them out of the Possibly Living People category and into Year of Death Missing. Sen Gupta was born in September 1919 (see here) and died sometime after 1983 (see ). I've got nothing on Johansson, Gustavsson, and Andersson, and I'll look at Cattaneo and Ngayewang later. Canadian   Paul  23:21, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Actually, just did a quick search - nothing on Ngayewang, but Cattaneo is indeed still alive. Canadian   Paul  23:24, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks-there are a few more I found that were listed as living with no info in 60+ years but can't remember who is the problem. I did just change one to deceased-have to run though now. Wgolf (talk) 23:31, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Some possibly living people I have found on my watchlist
Well I have over 6K pages somehow on here so of course I probably have more that I don't know about (granted quite a bit on there is red link pages I tagged for deletion) (And since there seems to be no tools working to find people this is harder) Anyway: Mademoiselle Fifi (dancer)-born in 1905, so I HIGHLY doubt this one is alive. (Not even sure if she counts as notable tbh). Mohammad Amin Nuristani-granted he was born in 1928 so not quite ready to go under possibly living, but still a big question mark here. Sharon Davis (figure skater)-figure skater from 1959 so I'm guessing if living she be at the very least 75 years old. Jack Stephens (set decorator)-if the part is true that he was in school in the 1920s he is more then likely dead. I do have more but that's it for now. Wgolf (talk) 00:38, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

And another possibly living
Lionel Hastie-person put as living which I changed to possibly. So yeah. Wgolf (talk) 05:14, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Another person I found on the new page feed who is 90+
Florence McClintock (born 1918-still living according to ESPN). Wgolf (talk) 18:10, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

List of living centenarians
Hi Paul,

Just wondering whether the addition of non-English wiki centenarians to the list, creating a mass of redlinks, is constructive? FWIW I don't think it is and suggested as much at Talk:List of living centenarians. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ  (Talk Contribs) 23:36, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Why isn't it constructive? Most of these people are worthy of notability (as far as Wiki is concerned) if they have non-English articles, and adding them might encourage people to create articles in English. At the very least, I think we should trial this and see if any new articles are made. -- Ollie231213 (talk) 13:46, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The reason that we only include individuals with English Wikipedia articles is to ensure that we're only including individuals who meet Wikipedia's notability standards... otherwise it becomes too easy for anyone to add individuals of dubious notability to the list and we then have to waste time discussing notability, getting into revert wars, etc. etc. By only including individuals with Wikipedia articles, we leave the issue of notability to community consensus (we still discuss "notable for reasons other than their longevity", but those are few and far between). Having an article on another Wikipedia is not sufficient because a) Other Wikipedias have notability standards that may differ from our own and b) all Wikipedias have articles that do not meet the notability guidelines (even the English one, of course, but unless you speak the other language, the English one is the only one where English Wikipedia editors can nominate an article for deletion). If you want to encourage people to create articles in English, there's always the talk page. Canadian   Paul  00:07, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Someone from 1906 who had living people on it
Okay so every so often I find these odd articles where someone just puts living on them even if its like they are dead, like this one Argimiro España, with no refs I have no clue what to say really! (I moved to possibly living but yeah) Wgolf (talk) 01:11, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * He died in March 1995. Ref added. Canadian   Paul  22:45, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey
I think I have a problem with my archiving. It only shows up to number 18 on my talk page, but I know it's archiving to number 29. Why is it doing that? — ₳aron  22:54, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. You might want to try leaving a note on the template discussion page. Canadian   Paul  23:00, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

More possibly living people over the age of 90
J. Hamilton-Holder-this one is odd, they are under the cat "centenarians" and year of death unknown (which should be year of death missing-I deleted it for the time being) yet have no links to any place saying they reached 100. Carlos Jesus Pereira-unlikely, but who knows. Hari Chand Dewan, Paddy Harris.

Now for someone who was listed as dead but is apparently still living and will be 90 next month: Myron P. Lotto (figured I mention this so you can add him later) Wgolf (talk) 16:49, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Curler Lloyd Campbell (I created the page) also turned 100 this yr. Connormah (talk) 23:41, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
 * On the curling topic, could you look into former Brier Champ. Theo (Frenchy) D'Amour of Trail, BC? He was born c. 1913... can't get a DOD. Connormah (talk) 00:57, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * If he was not born in BC, this is a possible, albeit unlikely match. I only did a quick search, but I'll look into it a little more when I have more time. Canadian   Paul  01:05, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Nice catch! I missed that. I have no idea where he was from. Just that he was 49 yrs old in 1962..I'll look into it further though. Thanks. Connormah (talk) 01:07, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

correction
a page on 'John MacBrien' canadian olympic sailor, is incorrect and not complete as it could be.

he is the son of W.A.H. MacBrien and born in Toronto, Ontario. Naval officer/pilot RCN and USN DFC awarded for mission in Korea.

Toronto bill (talk) 02:34, 12 March 2015 (UTC)toronto bill  (at gmail)


 * Thanks for the information! I'm glad to see that he's still alive and, when I have a little more time, I'll be happy to expand his bio! Canadian   Paul  00:00, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Seymour Bernstein
Well this page has been added for Seymour Bernstein, who is having a doc about him that is coming out this year and looks like this guy will be 100 this year, just figured I mention that to you. Wgolf (talk) 23:11, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
 * - looks like he's only around 85/86 as per . I amended the article. Connormah (talk) 23:56, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
 * oh okay must of been a misprint! Wgolf (talk) 23:57, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Not sure if my ping worked, but you seem to be online now so I thought I'd just let you know that Hazel Newhook can probably be added to the politicians centenarian list... Connormah (talk) 00:38, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did see it the first time, and even remembered it later, but I couldn't find it on my talk page or remember her name, so I forgot. I'll add her when I have a little more time, probably tomorrow. Canadian   Paul  01:14, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Added now! Canadian   Paul  20:53, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Connormah (talk) 21:17, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Yang Jingnian
Article does mention that he turned 100 yet has not refs at all, here Yang Jingnian. Wgolf (talk) 20:47, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Found a citation for his 105th birthday and added to the appropriate centenarian list, as well as my own. Thanks. Canadian   Paul  21:55, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Some people who may or may not be alive at age 90+
Not sure if some of these are living or not: Mac Connor-born 1913. Marian Fuks (historian), born 1914-seems like he is alive but does not have that cat on him. Veikko Savela-born 1919. Nguyễn Tư Nghiêm-born 1919 (or 1922). Ambroise Yxemerry-born 1917. Leonidas Veliaroutis-born 1916. Bruno Holzträger-born 1916. Heinz Jaeger-born 1924.

Though it seems the by profession page wont count them if they dont' have links such as there is Mary Carlisle who has been listed as living at age 100 yet is not on the List of centenarians (actors, filmmakers and entertainers). Wgolf (talk) 21:48, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Vincent P. de Poix
You know the rules here better than I. Can we do anything with the image of the letter posted on this page to verify the death of Vincent P. de Poix on Wiki? http://www.fanmail.biz/mboard/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=351752&p=1336056 Cheers --Jkaharper (talk) 14:40, 17 April 2015 (UTC)


 * That's a tough one. I would take it to the reliable source noticeboard and bring it up there... they'll probably come to a good consensus with what to do with it. Canadian   Paul  23:04, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I saw that too and am still hoping that there'll be some mention of his death elsewhere. If he's being interred at Arlington, an obit may appear up to months after someone's death date (as burials are usually held months later). Connormah (talk) 23:39, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Betty Birch (born 1923)
Okay looking around at possibly living people for any updates on the refs, I found Betty Birch who was born in 1923 and based off the ref, she is still living! Wanted to point this out for you! Wgolf (talk) 18:17, 6 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Added. Thanks! Canadian   Paul  22:34, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Asen Tsankov-Olympain born in 1912
Asen Tsankov, is this guy still living? Wgolf (talk) 00:37, 7 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Seems as if this has been addressed. I had him deceased according to other sources, but now I know the year as well, so thanks for pointing that out. Canadian   Paul  00:25, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Someone who died at age 100 in 2014
found this on the backlogs of the new page feed Gerald Ratner (lawyer). Wgolf (talk) 17:22, 7 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Added to the appropriate centenarian list. Thanks! Canadian   Paul  00:26, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Warren Barnes, Canadian swimmer
Hi, Paul. I came across the Warren Barnes article while I was doing clean-up work on Olympic swimmers from the United States, Australia and Canada, including updating and uniform formatting of Infobox swimmer. As part of my updates, I always check the swimmer's participation in Olympic events, to make sure that we are not omitting any Olympic results from the article. When I checked on Barnes' Olympic career, I quickly discovered that he never swam in the Olympics. Accordingly, I removed the "Olympic swimmers of Canada" category from the article (because he's not), and I also did some other quick clean-up like removing all of the "trials" results from the infobox medals table. We usually only list international championships in which swimmers won actual medals (e.g., the Olympics, Pan Am Games, Commonwealth Games, Pan Pacific Championships, FINA world championship), and not national championships, and certainly not trials events in which no medals were actually awarded. My changes were reverted by an IP from Ontario. Barnes did compete in the Pan Am Games, but did not win a medal, and has never been chosen for a Canadian Olympic team. I have no interest in edit-warring with an IP over the inaccurate category or the infobox medals table, but I do have an interest in keeping our sports articles accurate. I would be grateful if you would take a look at this article, and work some of your magic there. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:33, 7 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Seems to have died out since you posted this message, but I'll keep an eye on the page and take action if/as necessary. Canadian   Paul  00:27, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

And another possible 90+ person
Kira Golovko born in 1919. Wgolf (talk) 20:58, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Elizabeth Raybould also died recently. Can't find a DOB, but the article says she retired in 1983... Connormah (talk) 15:42, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, S. Prestley Blake is 100... Connormah (talk) 00:27, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Golovko added, couldn't find anything on Raybould, and I'll check out Blake a little later. Canadian   Paul  00:35, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Blake's brother, Curtis, is also alive, BTW. Born 1917. I haven't done any research yet on him though to start (rather resurrect) his article. (also I sent you an email) Connormah (talk) 00:39, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Added Blake. Canadian   Paul  05:18, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Emailed you this a while back (though not sure if I used the right address), but Arthur L. Thurlow is 102. Connormah (talk) 23:37, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, I added him to my "to-do" list, but as Arthur Thurlow, so I didn't see that an article had been created for him. I'll add him to the proper places shortly. Canadian   Paul  23:43, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

More 90+ living people
Here: Gil Parrondo, born June 17, 1921. Vance Trimble, born July 16, 1913 (does not seem to be on any centurion list though!). Wgolf (talk) 19:22, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay here is one that might be alive: Jacques Maumont, found out on the French wiki she was born on September 24, 1924. So not sure. Wgolf (talk) 20:01, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I've tried to find anything about Maumont-no luck yet. Wgolf (talk) 21:20, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Planet of Dinosaurs
Hi I noticed you uploaded the DVD art for this films infobox. Is it OK if I replace that with the theatrical poster instead? http://wrongsideoftheart.com/wp-content/gallery/posters-p/planet_of_dinosaurs_poster_01.jpg I just figure it would be better to have the theatrical poster rather than a contemporary home video release cover.Giantdevilfish (talk) 16:32, 19 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree entirely; I uploaded that over 7 years ago, when I was much less clear on what was appropriate. I have removed and deleted the image to make way for the poster. Canadian   Paul  01:59, 21 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Done! BTW if you are a fan of this film you should check out this messageboard. http://monsterkidclassichorrorforum.yuku.com/topic/23505/Planet-of-Dinosaurs?page=22#.VV4B1VKbq8A Jim Aupperle (who did the films effects) posts there and answers any questions users have. He's very cordial and helpful.Giantdevilfish (talk) 16:04, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

People who I have found who are listed as possibly living who are over 100
The following are likely dead-but here I go. (I did move quite a few to year of death missing also):
 * James F. Price-born 1906-most likely dead-I think this is older then the current oldest person in Colorado. (which is not listed right now though)
 * Magda Foy-Born in either 1905 or 1906. I just added the IMDB ref that says she died in 2000. Considering she was never even listed on the list of living silent stars as possibly living though.... (I just added her to the talk page)
 * Dr. A.N. Upadhye-Born February 6, 1906. Only one wiki page links to this guy also.
 * K. M. Koushik-Born November 8, 1906.
 * Tecla San Andres Ziga-Born August 28, 1906
 * Mademoiselle Fifi (dancer)-Born 1905.
 * Charles Houdret-Born 1905, though he was last heard from in the 1960s. So instead of year of death missing probably year of death unknown for this guy.
 * Charles Orr (socialist)-Born 1906.
 * Roy William Blake-born 1906
 * Allan Dailey-Born May 8, 1908.
 * Ponnapati Antony Reddi-Born 1908.
 * Narmada Prasad Rai-Born 1910.
 * Uriah Strickland-Born November 7, 1907
 * John Fleeting-Born October 18, 1908
 * Zahir Shah Al-Zadah-Born November 18, 1910
 * Charlotte Francis-Born 1910.
 * Eric Lawson (politician)-Born 1910.
 * Zoltán Szaniszló-Born November 3, 1909

That is it for now! Wgolf (talk) 22:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Just a note that I'm waiting on a contact for some info on Strickland. Connormah (talk) 05:00, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Tecla San Andres Ziga is dead according to the Netherlands wiki. Wgolf (talk) 17:35, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks like some do have death dates now-there are still quite a few to add to the list you have that I have mentioned earlier-so I wont mention anymore for now. Wgolf (talk) 00:06, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've got more time to look at these over the summer, but they are scattered in many places on this talk page and the talk page of my Nonagenarians list, so it might take me a while to consolidate them all and do a thorough search. Canadian   Paul  16:59, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Enrique Rapesta-Former Olympian born in 1919
Okay found the DOB for this one-not sure if living or not though! Enrique Rapesta. Wgolf (talk) 05:21, 22 May 2015 (UTC) Here are 2 other former Olympians I just found-Saadat Malook Shazada-born August 26, 1916. Shuja ud-Din-Born September 12, 1913. Wgolf (talk) 05:24, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Marian Cannon Schlesinger
Found Marian Cannon Schlesinger who is indeed over 100, figured I mention this one for you! Wgolf (talk) 00:57, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

More 90+ people I have found! (for living-though there is one case where I'm not sure)
Well I know I have sent quite a bit the past few weeks to add, but here are even more I have found! Endel Taniloo-born January 5, 1923. Ivan Uzlov-born August 14, 1923. B. K. Garudachar-born January 13, 1917-though I moved him to possibly living yet someone moved him to living yet I'm not sure if he is living or not. Artturi Niemelä-born August 23, 1923. Wgolf (talk) 02:22, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

The article for Jaime Ornelas Camacho-mentions being born in 1911-but the Portuguese version has a different DOB
Yeah he is listed as being born in 1921 on the Portuguese version of Jaime Ornelas Camacho. Wanted to point this out to you. Wgolf (talk) 23:08, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I've updated this. I'll take a look at everything else when I have more time later. Canadian   Paul  06:13, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome! And yeah I did find a bunch over the past couple of weeks to look over and/or just add to your nice list! Wgolf (talk) 17:51, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Frankie Thomas (cyclist)-born 1906-died ?
Well found this one Frankie Thomas (cyclist)-no dod mentioned though and even the article creator is not sure about him (Might want to send him a message about this also), but yeah it is one I wanted to bring up. Wgolf (talk) 02:14, 3 June 2015 (UTC)


 * He's definitely deceased per several sources, I just cannot find an exact date. Canadian   Paul  19:32, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

more living/possibly living 90+
Mikko Vainio-Possibly living, born 1923-the ref is dead so not sure. Yves Vincent-born 1921, living. José Díaz Morales-born 1908-possibly living. P. R. Srinivasan-Born 1920, living. Robert Lucas (field hockey)-Born 1922, living. Wgolf (talk) 22:43, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

A 100+ person I found on the backlog of the new page feed who died this year
Here: Russell Pierson. Wgolf (talk) 00:06, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Olympians
Hi Paul. Just a heads-up that I'm now working through creating biographies for all shooters at the 1956 Summer Games. I think everyone created so far is in the correct living/possibly living categories. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 07:04, 11 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Great! I'll take a look at them some time in the near future; thanks for the heads up. Canadian   Paul  16:30, 18 June 2015 (UTC)


 * No problem. They're all created now.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 19:47, 19 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Went through them all, but did not add Roy Congreve, Francisco Otayza, or Enrique Lucca to my list, as I've received information that they are all deceased, but not through sources appropriate for Wikipedia. Canadian   Paul  23:27, 19 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you. All the shooters from 1960 now have biographies. Again, I believe they're in the correct categories for living/possibly living.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 18:47, 12 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Cool, I'll take a look. Canadian   Paul  17:39, 14 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok, went through them all. Claude Foussier died 13 December 2010, but the obituary that had the exact date went offline, so we'll have to wait until SR updates to get it back. Here's a link to demonstrate that he's deceased though. Otherwise, a handful of small changes but otherwise everything seems good. Canadian   Paul  18:56, 14 July 2015 (UTC)


 * For info, all the 1964 shooters now have biographies. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 15:11, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Great! I'm a bit tight on time at the moment, but I'll take a look at them sometime soon. Canadian   Paul  11:34, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, I had more time than I thought. Alan Handford-Rice died in December 2000, which will be up on Sports Reference eventually, and I changed two 1925 births to "possibly living", but otherwise all looks good. Canadian   Paul  12:52, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Annie Glenn
I don't really have the time to clean it up, but it appears that a good chunk of the article is a copyvio of ... Connormah (talk) 17:47, 22 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Good spot! I've just cut most of it out; others can expand if they so choose. Canadian   Paul  17:51, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Shibban Lal Saxena-born 1906
Highly doubtful they are living, but there is Shibban Lal Saxena-who someone kept on putting as being alive (born in 1906), but no refs at all! Wgolf (talk) 02:58, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Now replying to something I put nearly a year ago lol, someone put they died in the 80s, but with no refs. Wgolf (talk) 04:04, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Ralf Olin
I believe he's alive in British Columbia per public records, for what it's worth. There's a source stating he was living in Ladysmith, BC in the 80s, and he appears in Victoria, BC on 411.com. Just for future reference; probably not really enough to put him back in the living cat. Connormah (talk) 05:17, 30 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I suspected he was still alive even before you posted this. I correspond occasionally with someone at the Canadian Olympic Committee... I should shoot him a message and see if he knows if Olin is still alive. Canadian   Paul  16:41, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Ponjikara Raphi-found this one while looking at people who had persondatas under a certain amount of bytes-born 1924
Ponjikara Raphi, yeah apparently was born in 1924-I'm guessing he is alive. Wgolf (talk) 00:09, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, added. Canadian   Paul  18:10, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Harry Stradling, Jr.-turned 90 at the start of the year
Harry Stradling, Jr.-from what I can tell this guy still is living also! Wgolf (talk) 03:11, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, added. Canadian   Paul  18:10, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

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Shojiro Sugimura-Born April 4, 1905
Find it highly unlikely this guy is alive, but I found the DOB for Shojiro Sugimura, the year this guy played made me think it is unlikely he is alive also. (There is also this guys brother Shozaburo Sugimura-not sure when he was around though) Wgolf (talk) 21:11, 14 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I added him to the "year of death missing" category. Despite what the possibly living people category says, there seems to be an WP:IAR consensus that anyone 110 or over should be in YOD missing unless there's evidence that they are alive. At least, I think there's a consensus, since I'm not aware of ever having been reverted for changing the category for that reason. Canadian   Paul  17:49, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Eugene Rogers, alive and kicking . ..
CP, what do we have to verify Eugene Rogers is still alive? Half the internet lists him as dead -- based on the former version of the Wikipedia article:. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:22, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * - - A quick public records search shows that he appears to be still living, and his wife's obit in 2013  shows him still living, but CP might have some more.  Connormah (talk) 05:03, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Connormah. Sports-Reference.com had him listed as dead in 2004, and we included that in the article until 2014; SR subsequently removed Rogers' date of death.  Must be kinda shocking to be 90+ years old and see multiple internet sites listing you as having died 10 years ago.  In the last 60 days, I have sent a number of corrections to Sports-Reference, involving birth places and dates, as well as the problem of SR showing swimmers and sprinters in the heats as having been awarded medals when they didn't compete in the finals prior to 1984.  SR has yet to respond to corrections that I sent them in May and early June.  I can understand individual errors, based on their IOC source or individual news reports, but they've been aware of the problem of pre-1984 medals for athletes in the qualifying heats for several years -- and that is not an IOC source error.  As a result, my confidence in the 99.9% accuracy of SR as a go-to Olympics reference has been somewhat shaken.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk)
 * Ah, so for Rogers being alive, I have an email from his daughter that was sent to Sports Reference claiming that he was still alive and, indeed, the 2004 DOD for Eugene Rogers was actually for a Eugene Rogers born one day off of the Olympian, so it was just a strange coincidence. I can forward that email to OTRS if need be. As for the SR corrections, it's a small group of volunteers behind the data, so sometimes it takes a while to respond to messages, although May/June is unusual in terms of a delay. This makes me think that they have not been forwarded the emails by the webmaster (the data and the website are two different groups, which is also why corrections sometimes take months to appear on SR, even when the data is corrected immediately). If you send the corrections to my Wikipedia email, I can bring them to the group directly, since I have their direct emails. Canadian   Paul  16:15, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, CP. An authenticated email from Mr. Rogers' daughter works for me.  I do think it is important that we leave some sort of written paper trail, because most of the Wikipedia mirror sites and a goodly number of others continue to report Rogers as having died in 2004.  With your permission, I will copy and paste this thread to the article talk page; anyone who wants further details/documentation of your correspondence with the daughter may inquire directly of you.  I'll also add a hidden text note to the "death_date" infobox parameter.  I'm in the process of working through the last 100 or so of the 620 U.S. Olympic swimmer bios, transferring all usable persondata to the articles' Wikidata profiles, and by necessity reviewing the infobox data and comparing it to Wikidata and persondata before deleting the persondata.  After I am done with the American swimmers, I will do the same for the Aussies, Canadians and Brits, too.
 * As for the Sports-Reference corrections and updates, I will start compiling my corrections and just email them to you in the future. If you have any sway with the SR website data handlers, please raise the pre-1984 medals issue for qualifying heats swimmers with them again.  This issue is well documented, and I can provide sources for it if requested, but they should already be aware of the problem.  I know for a fact that other Wikipedia editors (including myself) have raised this issue with the SR folks via email in the past, and I believe it is a problem for track athletes (as well as swimmers) who competed in the qualifying heats of the pre-1984 Olympic relay events.  For swimming, these events include the 4x100 m freestyle relay, 4x200 m freestyle relay, and the 4x100 m medley relay.  Since the 1984 Summer Olympics, when the rules for medals eligibility were changed for relay competitors, heat swimmers and sprinters have received a medal if their relay team finished in the top three, even if the particular athlete did not swim or run in the event final.  SR consistently reports pre-1984 swimmers who competed only in the qualifying heats as having received medals; this is a pretty egregious historical error, and, in addition to correcting it, the pre-1984 inconsistency probably merits an explanatory note within the SR pages for the relay events and the heats-only competitors.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:24, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I do think that the pre-1984 medals has come up in the past but, rather than misquoting or misrepresenting anyone, I'll bring it up again to make sure I understand fully what's going on. I do know, however, that has been discussion about distinguishing those who received medals physically and those who received them technically (for another example, early Olympics did not give out medals for third place, but SR lists them as bronze medalists based on their final positions). As for posting the thread on Rogers' talk page, I'm all for it. Canadian   Paul  17:59, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, CP. I was unaware of the early years bronze medal issue. Do you know what years were involved? As for the medals-for-heat-swimmers issue, there were no medals awarded to athletes who did not swim in the finals from 1896 to 1980, so the medals listed for the first 19 Olympiads is not a small error and it leads to occasional editors and the less-knowledgeable constantly re-adding these non-medals to the infoboxes of the pre-1984 heat swimmers. If the SR folks require documentation for this, let me know. I spent a couple days on the 'net hunting down contemporary news articles, etc., from 1984 when the new rules went into effect. As proud as the SR guys are of their website, I would think they would want it to be as accurate as possible, and it is the most complete record of Olympics events I've found anywhere. Physically and technically, however, there were no medals, and no recognition for the heats-only swimmers prior to 1984. It actually makes for a good story, too, because heats-only relay swimmers set 4x100 world records in 1972 and 2008, and 4x200 world records in 1928, 1964, 1976 and 1984, only to have their new world records broken by their own finals-only teammates later on the same day or next day. That probably should be mentioned in those two world record progression articles.

As discussed, I will post a copy of the relevant portion of this thread to the Eugene Rogers article talk page. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:00, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Frank Salvat
Until I read your article on Frank I was unaware that he had been living in Sussex or that he was dead. He was a dear friend of mine back in the '60s in London and I saw him last in 1968 when I left for Australia. I returned to London but found he had moved, and since he had been talking of emigrating to Canada I assumed he had done so. From other articles I have since read it seem he'd been married and his wife had died before him. Do you have any other information on him since 1968, Did you know him? Do you know if he went to Canada or why he was in Sussex, who he married and where/when. Failing that do you know of other people that could help? Any additional information that you could supply will be greatly appreciated. Many thanks, Thespisone (talk) 18:22, 25 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi. I'm sorry, but I don't know anything about Frank Salvat; I just updated his page based on online sources; the person who started the page was User:Emeraude, so you might want to ask them. Canadian   Paul  17:42, 29 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I have responded to Thespisone on his talk page. Emeraude (talk) 10:45, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

More deceased Olympians
Hi Paul. For info, I've created this list. I hope to get round to doing the same for WWII at some point. If you know of someone who's not currently listed on SportsRef as being killed in either war, please let me know. I know of Eugen Schnalek. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 19:21, 5 August 2015 (UTC)


 * One that comes to mind is Heinz Sames; he went missing in action in Volgograd during World War II and I know that the SR list has not been updated recently enough to note that. In fact, it hasn't been updated for months to the best of my knowledge, so there's probably a handful that are missing but, outside of Schnalek and Sames I wouldn't know who they are. Probably best to just check again the next time the site is updated. Canadian   Paul  05:40, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks once again, Paul.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 07:31, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Hey
Check your email. --Connormah (talk) 04:55, 18 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Replied. Canadian   Paul  04:58, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I did as well. Connormah (talk) 05:05, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Battleground at WOP project pages
Hi Canadian Paul,

Thank you for being a reasonable voice in the recent discussions at WOP project pages, since some diplomacy is most definitely needed.

Regarding your comments at Talk:List_of_oldest_living_people, I think that getting third-party, uninvolved editors to look at this project would definitely be a good idea, because it certainly seems to me that this is becoming a battleground between WOP project members and some users who act as the "WOP project police", trying to make sure that Wikipedia's policies are enforced.

I think that Articles for deletion/Koto Okubo (2nd nomination) sums up the situation perfectly. This is common of a lot of longevity-related AfD's: There's a certain number of users who typically vote to "keep" these articles and a number who typically vote to "delete". I typically vote to keep these articles for reasons that I make clear (because I am of the opinion that longevity can confer notability, and that supercentenarians are not notable for one event). However, I don't mindlessly vote to keep everything, and am quite prepared to vote delete if I don't feel that the subject meets WP:GNG.

Then what happens is that users like myself are tagged as SPA's (and so seen as potentially POV pushing) and most of the other editors are not. But the problem with this is that many of the other users who regularly vote in these AfD's remain untagged because they make edits outside of the project as well, which creates the somewhat false impression that the opinions of these users is the same as the wider community's, and hence that the views of the WOP project members are grossly different to the wider community. But in reality, this may not necessarily be the case.

Now there's no denying that there that have been issues with the WOP project in the past (years back) but I only joined in December 2013. There have also been some problems more recently, and I admit that I'm guilty of some things myself - however, that was partly because it took me some time to get used to how Wikipedia works.

However, there are also clearly some civility issues with some on the "other side" and I get the impression that the behaviour of some Wikipedia editors has poisoned other people's views of the GRG and the concept of age validation itself, as there seems to be an active push to not even acknowledge that age validation is a recognised concept or that the GRG is the leading authority when it comes to keeping track of the oldest people in the world.

So, I'd like to ask you what you think the best solution to this problem is, and how we could potentially go about getting more third-party opinions to end this "battle".

Cheers. - Ollie231213 (talk) 23:18, 5 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I'll think about it when I have a little more time, but I think having individuals on both "sides" willing to discuss and work together (as seems to be the case once the heat dies down) and consult with third parties means that we're all working well towards the ultimate aim, which is improving the project. Canadian   Paul  18:39, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Saul Bonnell
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Ryuji Fujita/Tsuguhara Foujita
Hi, I've reverted the changes back on the Ryuji Fujita page. I'm afraid to say that the Sports Reference page (http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/athletes/fu/tsuguharu-leonard-fujita-1.html) you used is grossly mistaken, and is actually combining two artists into one Ryuji Fujita & Tsuguharu Foujita. I'll be updating Ryuji Fujita's wikipedia entry later on, but thought I'd drop you a note to let you know of the change. Watashinotabi (talk) 06:25, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I've tried to email the website to tell them about the error, but the email form doesn't seem to be working (I get a 500 Internal Server Error) Watashinotabi (talk) 07:49, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, do you have any evidence for this It's odd that the email form isn't working, but if you forward the message to my Wikipedia email, I can forward the proof to the site and get it changed (although Sports Reference only updates its site every several months). Canadian   Paul  16:43, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, I've added sources to the Ryuji Fujita page. I'm afraid that they're all Japanese sources though (not many people write English articles about a Japanese artist who came third in a competition it seems). To be honest when I first saw the change I thought something was up as I used to live in the town he was born (Hōhoku, Yamaguchi) and he's pretty well regarded there. So I was kind of shocked when suddenly he was marked as being born in Tokyo (though he did spend some time in Tokyo later in his life). If they need any further proof that they're not the same person, you could just let them Google "Tsuguharu Foujita olympics", and they'll see that only their site mentions that name with the olympics. Watashinotabi (talk) 09:44, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. I'll take a look at the sources and forward the information on. Canadian   Paul  16:26, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Canadian Olympians -- living or dead?
Hey, CP. Here's an old-timer Olympic swimmer for you: Mary McConkey. Born 1916, 1936 Olympic athlete, listed as possibly living, approaching 100th birthday if alive. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:19, 21 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the notice. There is a chance that she's still alive given her age, but I haven't ever seen any evidence for it, except for a list that suggested that a certain number of 1936 Canadian Olympians might still be alive (although it didn't list them and the author never responded to my email) and McConkey was one of only a handful that could have been among them. Robert Hooper, Margaret Stone, and Margaret Bell are a couple more in a similar circumstance. Canadian   Paul  16:48, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I can do some looking too & get back to you. Connormah (talk) 16:58, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Connormah. William Williamson was the only other one with a Wikipedia page, while Charles Campbell, Lynda Adams, and Milton Wallace were the others.

AfDs
CanadianPaul,

I'm concerned about your interpretation of the Koto Okubo AfD to justify going on a mass deletion nomination spree. The long term consensus seems to have been that "world's oldest person" and "world's oldest men" titleholders are notable enough for an article. Koto Okubo was different however: she was never the world's oldest person (only the world's oldest woman) and she received very little media coverage.

You seem to be inferring that because that article was deleted, long-term consensus can be overruled. Personally I think that the topic of whether WOPs/WOMs are notable enough is something you should have raised with other editors. -- Ollie231213 (talk) 18:04, 13 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Your argument is based on "long-term consensus". Do you have any evidence of this consensus? And even if it did exist, consensus can change. There's no policy, anywhere, the states the WOP is automatically notable, thus each article will be judged on its own merits and by the criteria at WP:N. By nominating them for deletion, I am raising the issue with other editors; if you believe someone to be notable, then argue for keep on the AfD and demonstrate how the articles meet the criteria. Canadian   Paul  18:19, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Murray Riley
Got any info/research on him to suggest he's deceased or alive? I've done some looking as well but can't find anything post-1980s. Connormah (talk) 18:22, 13 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Nope, nothing at all. All things considered, it's not surprising that he dropped out of the public eye. Canadian   Paul  18:23, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm informed he is still alive and kicking. Also he was 'operating' in Oz and O/seas during 2000's. Paul, re your edits to Murray Riley page- 1. comma after date in text is correct; eg. 'In 1961, Riley began to...' 2. "Justice" Moffitt is a respectful term and identifies him as the Commissioner of the enquiry. 3. Give thought to your edit : "[Riley]resigned from the force in 1962, despite having earlier been awarded the Queens Commendation for Brave Conduct". His award would have no bearing upon charges and his dismissal/resignation. Dingarwil (talk) 8:38, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Dingarwil. Interesting to know that he's still alive - we can probably move him into the Living people category. In regards to your other points:


 * 1) I agree, I thought this was wrong, but then I looked it up and found that I was mistaken. Hence I did not re-revert.
 * 2) Please see WP:HONORIFIC. We cannot pick and choose what terms we deem to be "respectful"... think about how we'd have to change our biographies on religious figures alone. Removing the honorifics for everyone helps us follow a neutral point of view. As per the guideline, if you want to highlight his role, mention it in prose, but giving him a title is inappropriate.
 * 3) Seems to me it sets up an unlikely contradiction - one would assume that someone of the character who would receive such an award would not be charged with such serious crimes or be dismissed/resign. I do, however, see your point as well, so if you want to revert that, I won't protest. Canadian   Paul  22:54, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

All Good Paul! He became my hobby when our paths crossed many years ago. Cheers Dingarwil (talk) 18:01, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Marie Laure du-Serre-Telmon
I'm writing to inform you that your PROD was removed from this article by what appears to be a sock. I had restored it after that user was bloacked but it was removed by them again under another account. You may wish to take it to AFD. Anyway good day.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 20:39, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for trying. It was probably a little unreasonable of me to think that PRODding would be appropriate anyways. Canadian   Paul  21:29, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

British Olympian, possibly alive at 95
CP: I don't know if anyone has mentioned British Empire Games silver medalist Margaret Jeffrey to you, but I can find no record of her death. She would be 95 if still alive. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 11:05, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, she's on my list, but I haven't been able to find anything on her, or even if she had a name change... so I guess she'll have to stay in possibly living for now... Canadian   Paul  00:54, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

From the shortest bios page-Liu Jie, born 1915, claims to be living but no sources at all
Found Liu Jie, born 1915 which claims he is living but no sources, so maybe you could look into this, thanks! Wgolf (talk) 22:54, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Living people who are 90+ to add sometime (from the new page feed)
Janusz Kłosiński-born 1920, Wadie P. Deddeh-born 1920, Allan Watt-born 1920, Lyubow Demeetriyevna Oosava-born 1921, Whang-od-born 1918, Yael Dowker-born 1919, Aleksey Ivanovich Kandinsky-born 1918, Teoh Seng Khoon-born 1918, Armando Francioli-born 1919, Jane Ellen Usher-born 1917.

found quite a few possibly living as well. Wgolf (talk) 00:32, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Charlie Turner (footballer)-born 1910, not sure if living or not
Okay so I doubt it, and it oddly says living people, but I can't find if the person is dead or not. The profile on soccer IE says died 2006-though I've found that on most of the profiles on there. Wgolf (talk) 01:05, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Iris Cummings, '36 Olympian
Hey, CP. Here's another ancient Olympian, approaching her 95th birthday in a few weeks: Iris Cummings. Apparently alive and kicking. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:20, 12 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes indeed. In fact, I knew her so well, I started her article and brought it up to GA, haha. Canadian   Paul  04:34, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Oops. Next time I'll check the article history before bringing another still-living, old-time Olympian to your attention.  Cummings has an interesting life story; it's a fun read.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:30, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Missing date of death
Hey, CP. Perhaps you could track down a date of death for Australian Olympic diver-swimmer Lily Beaurepaire? She would be 122 if still alive, almost certainly dead now. What's the drill for checking Aussie death records? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:07, 20 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Usually the Ryerson Index is a good source for Australian deaths, but Lillian Clarke is just too common a name to track down in that database with any certain. Not to mention that her husband died in 1936, so she could have easily remarried and changed her name once again. You may have some luck if you have an ancestry.com account (see the link), but that's probably a false lead. Canadian   Paul  23:31, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Probably could track her through her brother. Perhaps his 1956 obit mentions her whereabouts (if alive then). Connormah (talk) 07:03, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

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Deletion review, Request for comment related to Articles for deletion/Annie Butler (3rd nomination)
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Also, please be aware that there is also a related Request for Comment regarding the validity of "delete and redirect" for AfD !votes and outcomes, filed 30 November 2015. Because you commented in the underlying AfD which prompted the RfC, you are being notified of the RfC discussion @ Wikipedia talk:Deletion policy. For an explanation of the RfC process, please see Request for comment.

Thank you. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:05, 1 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Replied at the DRV. I'll think about my response to the issue as a general practice. Canadian   Paul  16:13, 1 December 2015 (UTC)


 * CP, if implemented as intended the linked RfC would represent a major change in deletion policy, effectively making redirects the preferred outcome over outright deletions in order to promote the retention of article history in the majority of cases. I think we need our knowledgeable and experienced editors and administrators like yourself to participate in this discussion.  Cheers.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:54, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Olympian Nosratollah Momtahen
Hi Paul. Hope you're well. For info, I've raised this at BLPN. Details of the subject's death have been re-added (and removed) recently. Have a great Christmas!  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 14:24, 22 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Lugnuts. You know, on closer inspection, I think that that link actually does confirm the information. The dates are by the Hijri calendar and I haven't bothered to convert them, but this time I see his name in the link (maybe the last link was an incorrect one?). Anyways, I read Arabic rather than Persian, so I wouldn't hurt to have confirmation at the noticeboard anyways. Happy holidays! Canadian   Paul  16:26, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Wishing you all the best . ..
Merry Christmas, CP, and may your holidays be [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvfhoWIPoVw merry and bright. . . .] Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:30, 22 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks Dirtylawyer1, happy holidays! Canadian   Paul  16:26, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of List of longest-living state leaders for deletion
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Olympic shooters
Hi Paul. Hope you had a great Christmas/New Year. All the shooters at the 1968 games now have articles. Again, I think they're all in the relevant living/possibly living categories where applicable. Have a great 2016.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 14:49, 2 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Nice. I'll have a look when I get a little more time. Happy New Years! Canadian   Paul  19:42, 4 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Went through and took a look and have a couple thoughts:


 * George Silvernail died in March 6, 2015 and has a different DOB
 * José Luis Martínez died in January 8, 2014
 * Gerry Brady (sport shooter) died December 30, 2012 (all three of the above will be updated on Sports Reference eventually)
 * I have Arthur McMahon (sport shooter) and Erich Gehmann deceased from a personal contacts
 * I think that Andrés Amador died c. September 2013 per this source, but I cannot confirm it.
 * I believe that Tanios Harb died August 3, 2014 per this source, but I cannot confirm it.
 * You have Kim Yong-bae (sport shooter) listed twice on your user page.
 * Otherwise it looks good. That's some fine work. Canadian   Paul  22:10, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

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Possibly living-Kerima (actress)-born February 9, 1925
Kerima (actress), the article is written in past tense like she is deceased-but nothing to back it up. Wgolf (talk) 04:06, 19 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Added. You can't really conjecture anything from the tense in which the article is written, since that's usually just a personal style/decision of the original author and it may not have any basis in considerations of living/deceased. Canadian   Paul  18:20, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Dudley Williams (public servant)-born in 1909 and listed as living on here
Found this on the new page feed-Dudley Williams (public servant), says born in 1909 and still living, not sure if this is true or if its because there is no date of death the creator thought they are alive! Wgolf (talk) 21:10, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks like that was fixed. Wgolf (talk) 17:00, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Splendid. One less to add to the old list. Canadian   Paul  17:01, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Regarding these reverts: Please make sure that you set the up-to-date URLs: rowinone.com is dead for more than a year now, the contents of the old database have been moved to www.worldrowing.com/athletes/. This issue was fixed by using. —MisterSynergy (talk) 14:34, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I have updated the links. May I suggest that a more informative edit summary, as well as not replacing a proper citation with a template, will help prevent similar reversions in the future. Canadian   Paul  17:55, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks. In the past days I updated much more than 1.000 old rowingone.com weblinks (plus its IPs 88.85.4.10 and 80.83.47.230) in ~15 Wikipedia editions, which have been being dead for at least 15 months now. So this was *a lot of* c+p action to replace the old, hard coded weblinks with templates for potential future URL updates and of course working links for now. I apologize for the short edit summary in this case—for most edits I used longer ones that already indicated that the old link was dead (see my list of contributions). However, this was indeed the only case that was reverted, out of the 1.000+ updates… :-) Regards, MisterSynergy (talk) 21:13, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Please from the bottom of my heart.Can you have a look?
User:Only seems to be the suckpuppet of User:GiantSnowman which seems to be a Wikipedia master eraser: Max Merkel, Alex Notman, Slaven Bilić and many others articles, he has a really long edits history, this user needs special watching ! Also User:Only acuse people for vandalism and deleting referenced text, User:GiantSnowman prefers to deletes around instead of doing the job properly, they have a mini band and act like superior users which is meatpupetry, is like mafie of wikipedia in my opinion !--176.221.34.226 (talk) 22:43, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 * ,  is an admin, been around here a long time and is the person I goto for football advice.   is also an admin and has been around here for a long time.  Neither one are sockpuppets.  They are reverting your edits because there are no references.  You need to add refs.  I would revert too.  Please add references.  Bgwhite (talk) 22:49, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

see  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.1.149.90 (talk) 22:59, 29 January 2016 (UTC) GiantSnowman deletes massive content of Wikipedia and expect other people to do the work, even if you go on other language wikipedia you can probably find reference! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.1.149.90 (talk) 23:01, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

I am worried for ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA PROJECT ! English wikipedia articles will be "white" blacked with no information because of this attitude !--103.1.149.90 (talk) 23:03, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

People are to busy to block sockpuppets instead of helping the quality and quantity of articles !! ANd because of this people will not edit anymore !! or will get block !! is a major problem in my opinion !! (I want the best in a bright future for Wikipedia !)--103.1.149.90 (talk) 23:06, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Bypassing redirects
Hi there, I just wanted to say that bypassing redirects such as this one may not always be beneficial, per WP:NOTBROKEN. But maybe you have good reasons that I'm overlooking. Thanks for all your good work, Gap9551 (talk) 23:14, 29 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, it appears that my response to this somehow did not post. Regardless; the only reason that I bypassed the redirect was because, in this case, it leads somewhere completely unexpected, so I figured that it might be nice to have just a little hint that you'll be going somewhere very different. Overall, however, I have no objection to be reverted. The policy makes sense too. Canadian   Paul  17:00, 11 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, you're right that hovering over the link would give useful information on the destination of the link. There is something to say for each option. Gap9551 (talk) 17:07, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Oldest Peers
Just noticed that you defended the oldest peers page that I overtook some years ago. Thank you for that. It seems I have to delete my account now. Because nothing I've ever edited is longer save from this christianfaithed dumbhead.--Dangermouse600 (talk) 15:46, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Marta Brilej-born 1917, says living, but...
Okay so I found Marta Brilej on Database reports/Biographies of living people possibly eligible for deletion. It says she is living and was born in 1917, however there are no references at all and nothing indicating she is alive either! Wgolf (talk) 23:43, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * BTW I have been finding some that often appear towards the bottom of Database reports/Potential biographies of living people (2). Granted its updated weekly and you might need to look through older updates also! Wgolf (talk) 18:14, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Right now, I really don't have the time to be perusing the reports; they never disappear, so I can always examine them at a later date. Canadian   Paul  18:16, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah I can understand-some of those never do it seems! I often just add some of those to my favorites and look at them later if ever. Wgolf (talk) 18:17, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi
Everytime I happen to stumble upon user Libstar and user James500 edits they are at kindergarten level, attacking each other and baiting each other to continue bickering. It takes one glance at their talk pages to see how they are disrupting each others Wiki-lives :) Especially Libstar who has been an editor here for years should know better. Anyway, just letting some good admin know. Regards,BabbaQ (talk) 10:30, 7 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Well I'll take a look/keep an eye on it when I get the chance. But I resent the accusation of being a good admin. Canadian   Paul  17:01, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Stuart A. Reiss-showed at last nights in memorium-listed as 90+ people still living
Stuart A. Reiss, not sure when he died though! Wgolf (talk) 23:33, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Interestingly enough, public records suggest that he died in 2014, although I could not find anything more substantial than that. Canadian   Paul  15:51, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Delmer Berg
Hi-According to the Union Democrat newspaper Death Notices for March 1, 2016, Delmer Berg died on February 28, 2016 in Columbia, California. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 13:09, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Rudolf Schönbeck
Hello Canadian Paul. Can you tell me how you came to the date of November 6 in this edit. The source mentions nothing about it. Thanks. --Intimidator (talk) 15:33, 10 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, that's odd. It's possible I pasted the wrong obituary, but I can't find any others at the moment. The date is, however, available at Sports Reference, so I have updated that link. Canadian   Paul  16:38, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I could swear that there wasn't any death notice at all at sports-reference yesterday. Thats enough for me. Thank you very much.--Intimidator (talk) 19:21, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * The Sports Reference link was actually outdated - I replaced it with the correct one that had the updated death information - which is probably why you don't recall seeing it :). Canadian   Paul  20:53, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Václav Balšán-racewalker from 1945, no DOB mentioned
Václav Balšán was put as a living person, changed it to possibly living, no dob so no clue if living or not! Wgolf (talk) 01:13, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Some people who are over 90 who are listed as possibly living
A few of these are Olympians btw. Found quite a few, not going to list everyone though! Here: Tetsuji Fukushima (born in 1914), Évelyne Pinard (born May 15, 1923), Gwen Sterry (born 1905-I really doubt this one!), Mishaal bin Saud al-Rashid Al Saud (born 1918), Frederick Charles (designer) (born 1909), Jon Wright (footballer) (born January 30, 1925), Punya Datta (born June 21, 1924), Vincenzo Lucchini (born January 9, 1925), Kim Nam-gu] (born October 8, 1923), [[Juan Jorge Giha, Sr. (born October 23, 1922), Enrique Rebora (born October 5, 1924), Somsak Chaiyarate (born January 22, 1923), František Vlk (born May 30, 1925), Lou Mangan (born May 26, 1922), Lyal Keighran (born September 12, 1923), Les Gardner (born September 30, 1923), Sisir Mustafi (born January 1, 1920), C. Clayton Hoff (born 1908), Kamal Mahgoub (born December 10, 1921)

Yeah there are quite a bit more as you could guess. (some are on your talk page already but not on the other lists, just left them off for now) Wgolf (talk) 02:03, 4 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'll take a look at these when I have the time. Canadian   Paul  22:26, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Sung-Yang Lee-listed as being born in 1922 and living, though I believe they are listed as deceased on the Chinese wiki
Okay so I found Sung-Yang Lee listed as being born in 1922 and living, yet on the Chinese wiki from what I can tell it looks like they died in 1976, but not 100% sure. Wgolf (talk) 21:54, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Kim Seok-chul-says year of birth missing though some sorces say he was born in 1922, not sure if he is living or not though
Kim Seok-chul, found him on the shortest bios, the way it is worded sounds like he has died and has no DOB. When I looked him up on Google it said born in 1922. I'm looking around more. Wgolf (talk) 01:31, 16 April 2016 (UTC) Okay found one place saying 1922-2005, not sure if its reliable or not though! Wgolf (talk) 01:33, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Hatsuno Goto-Born 1903 and still living, no refs though
Here: Hatsuno Goto. Wgolf (talk) 04:12, 18 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Proposed for deletion. I'll check out the others later. Canadian   Paul  21:28, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Raymonde Veber Jones-born 1917 and still living!
Raymonde Veber Jones, they appeared on the shortest bios-and at first I moved it to possibly living until someone found a ref saying they are indeed still alive! So here is someone new to add! Wgolf (talk) 02:27, 4 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Great, thanks. I'll add her. Canadian   Paul  02:35, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

George Haigh-born 1915 and still living
Found George Haigh, which the only links seem to go to John George Haigh, but mentions being the oldest footballer possibly. Wgolf (talk) 05:15, 10 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Wow, that's quite the find! Here's one of many links claiming that he is the oldest footballer in the world, which should be good enough to change categories for a lot of articles! Canadian   Paul  15:39, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Some 90+ people living still
Here are some I have found William Evan Sanders (born 1919), Werner Goering (born 1924), Seymour S. Cohen (born 1917), Marie Johnson Calloway (born 1920), Judit Reigl (born 1923), Jacinto do Carmo Marques (born 1921), Dominique Nohain (born 1925), Jack Pinoteau (born 1923). Wgolf (talk) 01:39, 24 May 2016 (UTC)


 * It might help me go through these if they were condensed into one discussion. Canadian   Paul  04:24, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

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Chet Murphy
Hey CP. Would appreciate your input on this one > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chet_Murphy#Deceased_but...

Cheers, --Jkaharper (talk) 11:32, 10 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Replied. Also, see my note on Alfons Olszewski. I have it from a very reliable source that he is alive and turned 100, but the web source confirms at least that he did not die in 2006. Canadian   Paul  14:01, 17 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Also also, I saw a note on a less reliable source that Tate died in 2015 prior to her 100th birthday, so I suspect that she did not make her centenary. Canadian   Paul  14:04, 17 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Have taken Murphy to the talk page you suggested. I assume you meant to say Pasmore? I think you're right. A 100th birthday article would've been a given seeing as her work is exhibited by the Tate Gallery. Pity that we're missing a proper obituary. Thanks --Jkaharper (talk) 14:45, 17 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Oops, yes, I meant Pasmore. A proper obituary on Murphy would be useful as well though... Canadian   Paul  14:51, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Kerima
In | this change you said the obituary said Kerima was still living. But when I access it today, it says again that she died first. Any ideas? MB 15:38, 13 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Odd, that source keeps changing its mind. It might be better to put her back into the possibly living people category until something more definitive turns up? Canadian   Paul  14:01, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Welcome back!
Hi Paul. Glad to see you back, noticed you were gone throughout September. Olympic update for you - I've been working on all the missing swimmers and I'm now up to 1956. I think they're all the correct categories for dead/possibly living. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 18:28, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, took me a long time to get reliable internet in my new place. I should be good to go now, however, so I'll check out those Olympians once I catch up on everything else. Canadian   Paul  18:30, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually I had some time to look at this: Walter Pavlicek died November 24, 2004 and Jesús Domínguez died March 24, 2003, which Sports Reference will update eventually. Donald Shanks (swimmer) and Taha Youssef El-Gamal are also deceased, but I don't have a Wikipedia-reliable source for either. Finally, you have a lot of 1928-1936 swimmers listed as deceased that I have as possibly living. Before I convert them en masse, did you have a source that suggested that most of them are deceased? Canadian   Paul  08:24, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Anything on the 1928-1936 swimmers? I found that Emilio Vives is deceased for certain as well (as is shooter Fulvio Rocchi, but I don't have a reliable enough source for Wikipedia or an exact DOD). Canadian   Paul  12:54, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Great work as always. I have nothing more to add to their biographies. On a related note, I've been clearing this list from WikiData. Basically they are showing as living on here, but have a date of death parameter on WikiData. I've seen a fair few Olympians as I've been checking!  Lugnuts  Precious bodily fluids 12:58, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * No I meant, was there a reason that you listed most of the 1928-1936 swimmers as deceased? Just wanted to know before I change any categories. And yeah, I've glanced at that list... scares me a bit, but I might get to helping you all tackle it soon. Canadian   Paul  13:08, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry, I see what you mean! IIFC, I checked against the Olympic list on your userpage and hopefully put them in the correct category. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Precious bodily fluids 13:09, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Makes more sense now I see my watchlist! It's been a while since I worked on the pre-war Olympians and I've forgotten about the possibly living status. Sorry about that.  Lugnuts  Precious bodily fluids 19:52, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Paul, nice to see you around. I've got 2 more centenarians to be added to their respective lists when you get the time: John B. Johnson (politician), William A. Enemark. Cheers! Connormah (talk) 02:16, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Both added. If you have any living nonagenarians that you created recently, feel free to send them my way. Canadian   Paul  17:52, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Just two of them recently (that I can remember): Alma W. Byrd, Henry Sayler (Florida politician). Connormah (talk) 18:05, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
 * There's a few in some recent creations as well, of note, DeWitt Hale, 99. Connormah (talk) 15:38, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Oops, missed this one. I'll add him soon. Thanks. Canadian   Paul  12:54, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Vonda Phelps
Hi Paul, you my be interested in some recent conversations at Talk:List of surviving silent film actors and Talk:Vonda Phelps. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ  (Talk Contribs) 03:14, 6 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Hey Derby. I'm still catching up a bit, but I'll definitely take a look at it soon! Canadian   Paul  17:05, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Sara Ahmed (weightlifter)
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DYK for Sara Ahmed (weightlifter)
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Challenge
Hi, can you consider entering articles you do into the bottom of Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/The Africa Destubathon  rather than the Challenge at the moment. Even if not interested in prizes as it's an editathon as well. Most of the articles will join the challenge list once the contest is complete anyway!♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:44, 17 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Sure no problem; I won't be going for the prizes so I won't add them to the entry list, but if it makes it easier on everyone else, then I can move them to the destubathon - I'll move Rhodesia and Usman now (Ahmed was too early for the destubathon). Canadian   Paul  16:52, 17 October 2016 (UTC)


 * There's plenty of editors adding articles to the destubathon list not interested in prizes! right? People not interested in prizes can just skip the entries page and treat it as an editathon and add to the main list! Excellent work BTW!♦  Dr. Blofeld  16:56, 17 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Got it and done! I'd compete seriously if I had more time, but currently being in Africa takes up most of mine. Canadian   Paul  16:58, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

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Luigi Vanzi-Born 1925, page says he is living, though I'm not sure if he is or not
So I found Luigi Vanzi, says he was born in 1925 and still living. Although I can't find any info about him after the 1970s, might want to add this guy though. Wgolf (talk) 03:30, 24 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Added. Canadian   Paul  14:07, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Just found on the new page feed a Austrian who lived to be 100
Wilhelm Winkler, he was alive from 1884-1984. Wgolf (talk) 00:21, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Rhodesia at the Olympics
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DYK for Salah Dessouki
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DYK for Egypt at the 1956 Summer Olympics
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Talk:List of surviving silent film actors
Hi Paul, your opinions on the subject of the above would be welcome. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ  (Talk Contribs) 03:05, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

BC MLAs
Hi Paul - I've been creating some redlinks for some BC MLAs and there's a few that I haven't been able to locate deaths for, born in the 1910s. I'm trying to keep a list of the ones with missing death dates and partial birth/death info on my user page, but here are three from the 1910s so far: Arnold Joseph McGrath, John Duncan McRae, Gordon Lionel Gibson. Gibson's deceased as per his wife's obit, but nothing on the first two. Connormah (talk) 17:30, 13 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Interesting. I'll take a look at them when I have a little more time! Canadian   Paul  15:16, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * There's a whole bunch of new articles for New Brunswick MLAs as well on my userpage missing DODs or in PLP, if you're interested in adding them to your nonagenarians list as well! Connormah (talk) 16:55, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up! Haven't forgotten about this, just catching up on little bits at a time, but I promise they will make it there sooner rather than later. A couple of the names I'm adding right now have been in my queue for weeks! Canadian   Paul  16:57, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Alfons Olszewski
Hi Paul, you have Alfons Olszewski on your Olympic Centarians page citing but he is not listed there. Did he get removed for some reason? Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ  (Talk Contribs) 22:30, 16 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Oops, missed this earlier, sorry. I'm not sure why it was removed, but it was definitely by accident, as I have confirmation that he was still alive as of his 100th birthday (but good luck getting that through OTRS... and SR probably won't be updating again before everything gets transferred... at which point that list might not even come with it). Canadian   Paul  16:24, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

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DYK for South Sudan at the 2016 Summer Olympics
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Talkback
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A barnstar for you!

 * Cheers! Right back at you! Canadian   Paul  22:19, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Egypt at the 1906 Intercalated Games
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DYK for Water polo at the 1900 Summer Olympics
 Schwede 66  00:03, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Roberta McCain
Only claim to notability is "mother of John McCain". Listed in List of living centenarians, but should she be? I haven't checked but can't think of any suitable centenarian list that should would fit into. Thoughts? Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ  (Talk Contribs) 10:30, 7 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Well we did have sort of a rough consensus here that anyone famous only for being a relative of someone famous doesn’t make the cut for the centenarian list, but that was nearly seven years ago at this point, so it may be time to seek a fresh consensus using the past discussion as a precedent. That said, I don’t pay attention to the “living centenarian” list since I think it’s redundant and not entirely encyclopedic anyways. Canadian   Paul  19:49, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

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DYK for Tanzania at the 2016 Summer Olympics
 Schwede 66  00:01, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

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Proposed article for deletion (or a merge)
Here is an article that's almost completely interchangeable with this. Note: why is a Polish Jew listed an an Asian super-centenarian? Longevitydude (talk) 07:06, 15 January 2017 (UTC)


 * I agree, but the debate last year to remove/merge the Japanese list resulted in keeping both lists. If you think enough time has passed for a change in consensus, then you should renominate it. As for Kristal, he resides in a country that is located geographically in Asia. Therefore, he is Asian. Canadian   Paul  21:26, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for getting back to me with an explanation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Longevitydude (talk • contribs) 00:35, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

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 * Thanks! Form filled out! Canadian   Paul  17:07, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Mitoyo Kawate
Koto Okubo was never the world’s oldest living person. she was just the world’s oldest living woman and the world’s second-oldest living person behind Jiroemon Kimura. Please fix it. Inception2010 (talk) 09:46, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * No reply? Because your information that Koto Okubo was the world’s oldest living person is actually wrong, I'll be fixed your wrong information some days later if you are without reply to my comment.Inception2010 (talk) 16:47, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Inception2010, I want to suggest three things that may benefit you in maintaining civility with other editors as you contribute to this project. 1) Before feeling that individuals are ignoring you, you may wish to check their contribution history. Had you done this, you would have seen that I have not been on Wikipedia in the last week and was therefore unable to respond to a query that you posted on my talk page five days ago. 2) Even if an editor has been active, they have no obligation to reply to you within any particular time frame or at all. They will, of course, suffer any consequences from not doing so (disruptive editors who ignore requests to stop their behavior, for example, will be blocked) and most editors will make a good faith effort, but ultimately this is a volunteer effort, people forget or miss messages, people choose to ignore messages to avoid time-wasting conflict etc. etc. Point is, you are much more likely to get a better response if you send a gentle reminder rather than demand and threaten. 3) Editing the talk page comments of others to change their content is prohibited and will lead to a block/ban. If you feel that someone's comment is inaccurate, then bring that up as a reply in the thread. Canadian   Paul  17:42, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

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Talkback
Please see my last response under the "Conditions during the competition" header. Re: the image - perhaps some of the WP/Commons image mavens around here could be asked for an opinion. Obviously, the actual photo dates from WWI and would be in the public domain because of that year-date *but* it is a concern to me that there seems to be no clear indication of the photo's origins. Shearonink (talk) 04:17, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

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DYK for Phillip Henry Bridenbaugh
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Doris Lockness
Hi Paul, just wondering whether Doris Lockness fits the criteria for inclusion in List of centenarians (miscellaneous). Someone who did not get an article until after she died would seem to not be be notable enough. The description of her as a "pioneering American aviator" seems a bit of a stretch when she only started flying in 1939. Thoughts? Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ  (Talk Contribs) 03:27, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, not having an article before one dies is suggestive, but not necessarily a deal breaker; for example, it may be discovered that an Olympic athlete who previously had no article reached the ago of 100, but that individual would clearly meet WP:N, it just happened to be that no one got around to creating their article. In this case, looking at the sources, she seems to have received awards and achieved notability at least as early as her 80s, so it's quite possible that she would have still had an article had she died at 90. I would say she meets the criteria for inclusion on the list. That said, her article looks as if it's really trying to stretch to meet WP:N, so whether the article itself would survive a deletion attempt I'm not so sure. It would probably come down to how notable the awards and recognition she received is; I can see it going either way. But if she's notable enough to have an article, then I'd say she meets the list criteria. Canadian   Paul  16:05, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Vonda Phelps
Hey CP, what was the consensus of this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vonda_Phelps) in the end. I can't find the discussion. Cheers --Jkaharper (talk) 17:02, 19 February 2017 (UTC)


 * In the end, it got brought to WP:BLPN, where one user agreed with me, and one user did not. Between that and the fact that it seems to skirt a grey area on the issue (the information in the newspaper article more or less correlates with the primary source findings) I decided it wasn't worth the time to pursue it any further, as it'd take a lot of work for an issue that might reasonably be interpreted in another way. I'd support bringing it further, but just not as the sole editor doing so. Otherwise, there are bigger problems out there on the 'pedia. Canadian   Paul  17:10, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Lists of state leaders by age
Hi Paul, I am trying to reach a broader consensus for this discussion. Which projects do you think it would be appropriate to ping? Cheers, Simon


 * The WoP project or WP:WPBIO might be good projects to draw into the discussion. Alternatively you could try WP:30 (although I suppose that there are already three parties involved) or even WP:RfC (might be a little extreme, but there's a history of it being used/necessary for longevity-related topics, so it might not be entirely out of line if you point out the topic's history on Wikipedia). Canadian   Paul  09:54, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Babiker Awadalla
Hi,

The source given in the article of Babiker Awadalla appears to say that he died last year, but I used Google Translate to read it. Another user now alleges that he is still alive. As an Arabic speaker, can you confirm whether or not the translation is correct and if the source is reliable?

Regards EternalNomad (talk) 19:54, 5 March 2017 (UTC)


 * The part between the last comma and the last period says that he finished with politics, as he lived in Egypt from 1972 and died there at 99 years of age. So technically it doesn't say that he died on September 6, but it does confirm that he died. Canadian   Paul  20:01, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Narrative flow
I have started an essay on the concept of narrative flow, a concept that I think is largely undervalued in the encyclopedia in general. I decided to search for discussions where editors had raised the concept, figuring that such editors might want to chime in on the meaning of the concept and I found a mention by you. Cheers! bd2412 T 02:13, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I think that this would be very useful and give editors something direct and clear to point to. I'll take a look when I have some time and let you know what I think/any suggestions I have. Cheers for starting this! Canadian   Paul  12:16, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I have not forgotten about this. It's on my list of tasks for the day today! Canadian   Paul  07:44, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, I do have a suggestion: in regards to having separate "controversy" sections, you may want to point out that they also run the risk of falling afoul of WP:UNDUE ("Undue weight can be given in several ways, including but not limited to depth of detail, quantity of text, prominence of placement, and juxtaposition of statements.") and WP:NPOV more broadly. Also, in an essay about "narrative flow", one might expect to find/discuss more prosaic concerns like how one-sentence paragraphs (and their extreme counterpart WP:PROSELINE) can be disruptive to the flow, or how entire sections for an individual's death are inappropriate (per MOS:BODY and WP:PARAGRAPHS and a consensus or two I could dig up) and disrupt flow unless there is a lot to say about that person's death. Not sure if that's a direction you want to take the essay in, but those are just my thoughts. Canadian   Paul  22:31, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't consider myself to have ownership of it - I would be very glad if you would add those points. Cheers! bd2412  T 00:37, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Alright then. I'll go ahead and do that when I have a little more time. Canadian   Paul  22:03, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Made a few changes and additions. Feel free to do with them what you will. Canadian   Paul  12:27, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Des Case
Hi Canadian Paul, the primary source of a birth/marriage/death is the certificate of that birth/marriage/death, or possibly a copy of the register itself, not the index created after the fact, that is scanned and transcribed into a third-party website. In respect of… "Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth", the FreeBMD references indicate the quarter of the year in which the registration took place, not the date of birth. Best regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 18:13, 19 March 2017 (UTC)


 * To be honest, I feel that this touches upon more the letter of the policy rather than the spirit. I'm going to go ahead and bring this up at WP:BLPN and see what the community thinks. If it goes nowhere, then that will be the end of it, but I would like to get at least a third opinion on this. I'll post the link up here once I'm done.


 * Also, again, I ask per WP:NAMES that you please stop putting "birth registered in Newport district" in the lead. Canadian   Paul  20:40, 21 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thread here. Canadian   Paul  20:48, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Contentious material
I see that you're getting involved in an edit war at Robert M. Miller. Despite your evident experience as an aeditor, it seems you've misunderstood both the letter and spirit of WP:BLP, which you have quoted as your reason for removal of content, rather than requesting verification via a citation needed tag. You appear to be relying on the following section of BLP:

The key point you appear to have missed is the word "contentious". That section is not a carte blanche to remove any unsourced material from a BLP, but only material that would be reasonably be considered contentious. I do not agree that Miller's retirement, nor his residing at a ranch with his wife to be contentious issues, and I do not agree that BLP can be used to justify your removal of them – particularly when each has a cn tag dated this month on it.

WP:CHALLENGE explains our verification policy thus:

You may indeed use that policy as a reason for removal, but others, myself included, will challenge your haste. As you can see the policy specifically suggests the use of cn tags in the first instance, as was done. I am about to revert your removal of the tagged content, and I would urge you not to attempt to edit-war your preferred version back before you make your case at the article talk page. --RexxS (talk) 22:27, 26 March 2017 (UTC)


 * It is disappointing to see that an experienced editor would choose to handle this issue with another experienced editor in this manner. Rather than intervening with a spirit of reconciliation or assuming good faith, you begin your message with the accusation that I am "getting involved in an edit war". I note that the first sentence of Edit warring states "An edit war occurs when editors who disagree about the content of a page repeatedly override each other's contributions." Both User:Montanabw and I reverted each other once, over the span of almost a week. Furthermore, I left a (somewhat) detailed explanation on this user's talk page about why I felt the material was contentious - most importantly, I do not think posting a living person's place of residence is something that should be done period, but in my opinion it is certainly not something that should be done without a citation. I think this is exactly in the spirit of WP:BLP: to prevent poorly sourced and arguably trivial personal details from becoming widely accessible. Perhaps you disagree, and that is fine. Perhaps MontanaBW disagrees, although they did not reply to the message I left prior to your intervention. Perhaps consensus disagrees and that is fine too, in which case I have always respected that. If MontanaBW had reverted me a second time, my next step would have been to gain a third opinion or a consensus; in fact, my recent edit history demonstrates a case of exactly that happening. I will consider the best way to express my concern, sleep on it, then post on WP:BLPN for others to evaluate.


 * Your message does not come off as assuming good faith about my actions. I myself will assume good faith and thus assume that that was not your intent to attempt to intimidate or condescend, as one might interpret your message, as I know how easily it is to get heated off of BLP issues, especially when dealing with an editors with whom you are unfamiliar. I welcome you to review my contributions on this project: you will see that I have never been blocked, never acted against consensus, and never intentionally disrupted the project. Those mistakes that I have made, and there have been more than a few, I have acknowledged, apologized, and made amends for. My contributions, I think, have improved the project in small, but meaningful ways and have always been made in good faith. I hope that such a review will convince you that in the future that I am worth being treated with that assumption. Canadian   Paul  23:30, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I see that you have read into my post an implication that was never my intention. That is my fault for not expressing myself clearly, and I offer you my sincere apologies for creating the wrong impression. I feel I ought to explain carefully the points I failed to make properly in my earlier post:
 * You removed the same content twice on and . In between,  restored the content on . I respect your right not to consider that the early stages of an edit-war, but I hope you will be willing to respect my right to consider it just that.
 * I did see the note you left on MontanaBW's talk page, and I'm sure that you felt you were giving a detailed explanation, but in my humble opinion your reading of policy was wrong: My removal of the material in the first place should be construed as a challenge and thus should not be reinserted with out a citation to a reliable source. In terms of living people, there's nothing in the policy about tagging in lieu of removal. My initial intention was only to adjust the sentences on the basis of WP:DATED, since sentences such as "He continues to travel and lecture" and "He resides in..." can very easily date and thus fail the verifiability test. You made no assertion that the material was contentious, but that it was challenged, which I hope you can agree is really not the same thing – which is why I quoted WP:BLP and WP:CHALLENGE in my earlier post, to try to make it clear to you the basis on which I was taking issue with your actions. Incidentally, I hope you're not suggesting that we should be removing all statements from BLPs that can become dated, since WP:DATED gives the guidance to reformat such statements, not to remove them.
 * While I would certainly agree that posting a living individual's address would be a violation of the privacy that all BLPs have a right to expect, the content you removed stated "Miller resides on his ranch in Thousand Oaks, California". The city of Thousand Oaks has an area of 55 square miles and a population of 130,000. You may feel that the material in question revealed Miller's place of residence, but I can't agree that it constitutes a breach of privacy, as I expect that the city he lives in is a matter of public record.
 * I do disagree that the spirit of BLP has anything to say about trivia, or about unsourced non-contentious material. The whole point of our BLP policy on this point is prevent the potential for harm from unverified content – you've been around long enough to remember the damage from Wikipedia Seigenthaler biography incident that triggered that part of our BLP policy – and I'm sure we have no disagreement about the need for immediate removal of contentious material that has any potential to cause harm. Nevertheless, I would still ask you to consider that your inclusion of "poorly sourced and arguably trivial personal details" as part of same problem may be mistaken.
 * I did make a brief review prior to posting here. NavPopups immediately showed me your tenure, status and edit count. From your contributions, I realised that you are very active in biographical articles, and to be honest, I wondered if your investment in the area had resulted in a "drift" in your threshold for detecting BLP violations, hence my attempt to bring the relevant policies to your attention. I did not intent to insult, belittle or condescend you, but only to offer you my opinion on the issue that you raised at MontanaBW's talk page.
 * The only other thing I can offer you in way of trying to influence your stance on the matter is to examine a featured article of another retired person's BLP. I picked Jonathan Agnew from the FA list as a name that I was familiar with. If you examine it, it has many examples of trivia and there are several instances of statements that are true now, but will require updating at some time in the future. Many other quality BLPs have similar characteristics. It is quite possible that small amounts of such material actually gives "flavour" to otherwise dry articles. Something to think about anyway.
 * I'm sure you are right to be proud of the large number of contributions you have made to Wikipedia, and I agree that you have a fine record of improving the encyclopedia. I'm sorry that you feel I did not treat you with the respect due, and I can only repeat that I never intended to do so. --RexxS (talk) 01:34, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Well I decided not to post on BLPN, obviously, since a third user got involved and it wouldn't be a good use of anyone's time to forum shop or drag out the issue, but I will provide a quick response. In terms of explaining why the material is contentious, I have a few concerns. One, what value is there in fighting to keep any material that's uncited (and not common knowledge) on the biography of a living person? At best, it's true but looks like we did a sloppy job of keeping to our own policies. I think there's better ways to add flavour. Also, how long will it be tagged before it can be removed? I'm obviously not going to do it myself at this point, but where is the arbitrary boundary where we say "You know, this possibly untrue piece of information has now been on there too long. Let's remove it." Finally, just because you or I do not perceive how something could be harmful does not mean that it is not so. For example, perhaps Mr. Miller has a stalker of some sort and is trying to keep his location private (his name is common enough that, if you don't know where he lives, it would probably be difficult for anyone without experience to figure out which Robert Miller he was and where he lived just from publicly available records). I seriously doubt that that is the case of course, but it comes from knowing someone who was stalked and how seemingly innocuous details could be harmful in ways we don't think of. Of course, if there's a reliable source that states where he lives, then it's not reasonably a problem. As for WP:DATED, my initial objective on the page was to do exactly that: look at the date of the source to reform the sentence... but there was no source. Canadian   Paul  09:13, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * In response to the questions you raise, there is rather more value in fighting to to keep uncited, uncontentious, material on a page than fighting to remove it. There's even more value in not provoking a fight in the first place. As you saw, the material you removed was verifiable by reference to http://www.robertmmiller.com/about.html, Miller's own website that was already in use as a reference on the page, and somebody who knew about the subject quickly supplied the cites. He's normally referred to as Dr Miller, by the way, not Mr Miller. Because Miller chooses to present the material on his own website, and is clearly a well-known figure in the equine world, I really don't agree that any argument about preemptively protecting privacy could possibly hold water in this case. We don't avoid including properly sourced personal details in the biographies of other notable people simply because there is a possibility of harm that nobody has perceived. That's too far a stretch of our BLP policy to be taken seriously.
 * You ask "how long will it be tagged before it can be removed?" Well, considering the information had remained in the article untagged since its inception in September 2009, I do think that you should have chosen to add the tag cn in the first instance, rather than removal, as guidance at WP:CHALLENGE suggests. I am sympathetic to the notion that tagged material should be removed if citations are not forthcoming in a reasonable time, but I don't think you were wise to re-remove the same material a mere three days after someone else had supplied the tags requesting citations. --RexxS (talk) 10:31, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I am not certain why you are persisting with this issue when I have clearly stated that I have no intention of editing the page in relation to this matter again. We obviously have different perspectives on the matter and we are not going to change each other minds. We've stated our positions and consensus was against mine, so I've moved on. I'm not sure what you are attempting to accomplish with comments such as "There's even more value in not provoking a fight in the first place" (an unfounded accusation as I've attempted to demonstrate - perhaps you disagree, but why raise it again when I chose to move on?) or "I don't think you were wise to re-remove the same material a mere three days after someone else had supplied the tags requesting citations" (borderline personal attack when none were levied at you). I have remained civil and assumed good faith throughout this discussion, but my gestures have not been returned in kind. Please move on, as I have done. Canadian   Paul  10:50, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Why on earth do you pose questions to me and then complain when I answer them? Your post today was re-opening a debate that I thought had closed a week ago, so you clearly haven't moved on. You were the one who characterised editing the article as "fighting" and you need to take care throwing such slurs about. And when I tell you you were unwise to re-remove material just three days after it was tagged as "citation needed", that's just reasonable advice to help you avoid making the same mistake again. I very much resent your accusation that it's "borderline personal attack", especially after I've gone out of my way to treat you with kid gloves, despite your edit-warring and inability to understand policy. So feel free to have the last word. I'm unwatching this page and very much hope I don't have the misfortune of you crossing my path again. --RexxS (talk) 11:58, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Why on earth do you pose questions to me and then complain when I answer them? Your post today was re-opening a debate that I thought had closed a week ago, so you clearly haven't moved on. You were the one who characterised editing the article as "fighting" and you need to take care throwing such slurs about. And when I tell you you were unwise to re-remove material just three days after it was tagged as "citation needed", that's just reasonable advice to help you avoid making the same mistake again. I very much resent your accusation that it's "borderline personal attack", especially after I've gone out of my way to treat you with kid gloves, despite your edit-warring and inability to understand policy. So feel free to have the last word. I'm unwatching this page and very much hope I don't have the misfortune of you crossing my path again. --RexxS (talk) 11:58, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

DYK for John Henderson (University of Texas football player)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Cheers! Hook 'em! Canadian  Paul  16:42, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

SR at Reliable Source Noticeboard
Hi Paul. For info. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 07:04, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up! I replied, in a somewhat rushed fashion, but I think the main points got covered. Canadian   Paul  07:54, 10 May 2017 (UTC)


 * No problem and thanks for the reply.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:05, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Athletics at the Olympics
Hi Paul. For info, I've started work on the redlinks attached to all these events. I've completed missing biographies for missing marathon runners and I'm now working on the 100 metres, before going to the 200m, 400m, etc. For the 100m I've just done all the biographies upto and including the 1932 games. As far as I can tell, only Asa Dogura could be possibly alive so far. Hope that help your list. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:17, 5 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads up. I'll look into it when I have a bit more time. Cheers! Canadian   Paul  22:41, 5 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Got through 1932 and found a few more, but overall nice work! I'll check out 1936+ sometime later. Cheers! Canadian   Paul  10:02, 11 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Went through 1936 and 1948:


 * Robert Nevens died August 10, 1988 (will be updated on SR eventually).
 * Grete Neumann was probably this individual, born May 19, 1910 and died February 8, 1996: http://www.hanshirsch.at/downloads/200907.pdf
 * Hans Frischknecht probably died in 2001: http://www.post.ch/post-startseite/post-konzern/post-publikationen/post-personalzeitung/post-personalzeitung-archiv/uk_postzeitung_0109.pdf
 * Bernard Marchand, Elias Gutiérrez, George Fahoum, Fritz Seeger, Vera Romanić, Juan López (sprinter), Stanley Lines, and Hélio da Silva are all deceased, date unknown. Canadian   Paul  17:38, 11 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks Paul - interesting stuff. Back to the 200m and 1912 - Donnell Young now has an article.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 09:54, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up! Cheers. Canadian   Paul  09:12, 9 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi Paul. Hope you're well. For info, everyone who competed at either the 100m, 200m, 400m or sprint relays now has a bio on WP. I've done my best with the living/possibly living categories, esp. in relation to the 1928 to 1952 Olympics. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 17:52, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Great job as always! I went through them all and made a few changes. Here are some extra notes:


 * Carlos Monges died February 2, 1988 (will be updated on SR eventually)
 * Péter Karádi died June 7, 2011 (will be updated on SR eventually)
 * Hans Wehrli died October 16, 2011 (will be updated on SR eventually)
 * Carlos Hofmeister Albert Jud, Reggie Myles (athlete), Masao Yazawa, Titus Erinle, and Joseph West (athlete) are all deceased, date unknown. Canadian   Paul  03:36, 14 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi Paul. All the hurdlers now have an article. Again, I've done my best to put the possibly living/year of death missing categories where applicable. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 19:35, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up! I'll check it out soon. Canadian   Paul  17:06, 9 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Great stuff as always. I'll add them to my list soon, but here are my notes:


 * Edwin Turner (athlete) died in 1968 (will be updated on SR eventually)
 * Darcy Guimarães died in 1981 (will be updated on SR eventually)
 * Edmundo Ohacho's name is actually Edmundo Ohaco, and he died October 12, 1995 (will be updated on SR eventually)
 * Risto Syrjänen died January 8, 2016 (will be updated on SR eventually)
 * Stavros Velkopoulos, Toshinao Tomie, Emil Hübscher, and August Banščak are all deceased, date unknown. Canadian   Paul  15:26, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Dewey Readmore Books
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Your GA nomination of Dewey Readmore Books
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Centenarian reports
Hi Paul, I noticed you removed a number of Olympians whose status has been "confirmed" deceased as per these edits by an IP. They cite various "centenarian reports" as the basis for the changes. Is there any evidence that such reports actually exist? DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 17:57, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * My understanding is that they're using the lists posted at the World's Oldest People message board to consider individuals deceased, so "report" is stretching the truth a bit, to say the least. In terms of my own lists, it seems reasonable to consider them deceased so I remove them. In terms of Wikipedia, it's not good enough to pass the sourcing muster, but it's also a grey area since these individuals are almost certainly deceased. So I guess I sort of WP:IAR it; if someone wants to revert, I'm not going to stop them, but it's not really worth a multi-IP edit war to revert them myself. Canadian   Paul  19:23, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Dewey Readmore Books
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DYK nomination of Dewey Readmore Books
Hello! Your submission of Dewey Readmore Books at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 14:41, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * BTW did you ever think of making this a double nomination by expanding Vicki Myron? Yoninah (talk) 14:41, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Fixed, thanks! As for Myron, I looked into it a bit and I'm not entirely convinced she even passes WP:N, so I'm not sure her article is able to be expanded sufficiently.

Mien Schopman-Klaver
Hi Paul. Someone has just created a page for Mien (Schopman-)Klaver. While checking for more useful links I found this which states that she is "the oldest still alive Olympian in the world" (Google translation!). Would be nice to be able to accept this as accurate! Another link has her alive as of April 2017. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ  (Talk Contribs) 06:51, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi. I was the one who created the article. Mien was a reserve for the Dutch team for the 4x100 relay but did not run the single race at the event. The ones who did run where Jo Dalmolen, Cor Aalten, Bep du Mée and Tollien Schuurman. Alice2Alice (talk) 08:50, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up/creating the article respectively. I'll look into it shortly. Canadian   Paul  16:47, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Dewey Readmore Books
Alex ShihTalk 00:04, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Changes to Edward Allcard wikiproject quality classes
Hi CanadianPaul, I noticed that you recently changed the 'class' of the Edward Allcard article in the WikiProject Saling and WikiProject Biography templates from "C" to "Start".

I'm a bit puzzled by this change as I believe the article, which is fairly substantial and has many fairly good citations, is at least "C" class, where the definition of that class is: "The article is substantial, but is still missing important content or contains much irrelevant material. The article should have some references to reliable sources, but may still have significant problems or require substantial cleanup. More detailed criteria The article cites more than one reliable source and is better developed in style, structure, and quality than Start-Class, but it fails one or more of the criteria for B-Class. It may have some gaps or missing elements; need editing for clarity, balance, or flow; or contain policy violations, such as bias or original research. Articles on fictional topics are likely to be marked as C-Class if they are written from an in-universe perspective. It is most likely that C-Class articles have a reasonable encyclopedic style." and "Useful to a casual reader, but would not provide a complete picture for even a moderately detailed study." I would even have said the article might be at the upper end of C-class, though I certainly wouldn't rank it as B yet.

I wonder if you could clarify your thinking behind this change for me?

Thanks, SkipperGeek (talk) 16:43, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


 * It's borderline, granted, but I thought it was closer to a high Start than a low C. The coverage is there, but the organization is lacking and it's all sort of sitting there in one chunk. It may have the content of a C, but it's not organized in a way that's accessible to the reader, so it's in-between the two ratings. Based on my experience, or perhaps more tangibly the examples at WikiProject Biography/Assessment, I felt it was better classified a Start. If you really feel strongly about a C, I won't object to changing it back, since that would not be clearly incorrect, but that was my reasoning. Canadian   Paul  17:10, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Lawrence W. Pierce
I saw you added DOB to Lawrence W. Pierce‎. FYI recently on DOBs, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Amy_Coney_Barrett Bjhillis (talk) 18:32, 18 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads up. Just to be safe, I added a full citation for the full DOB. Canadian   Paul  18:42, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Deletion under List of Spanish supercentenarians
Please stop deleting useful information about Francisco Núñez Olivera under List of Spanish supercentenarians Colored (talk) 01:24, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
 * When you start citing it, I'll stop removing it. Please see WP:Citing sources and WP:BLP for the relevant policies. I also recommend that you review the sanctions discussed at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Longevity and note that there is zero tolerance for disruptive editing on longevity-related Wikipedia and that continued reversions, as you have been engaging on this list, will lead you to being blocked from editing. Canadian   Paul  15:41, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Ruthie Tompson
Hi Paul, this article was created in 2016, long after the subject turned 100. As far as I can see she is not a notable animator but merely a centenarian who once had a job working at Disney. She has no credits as an animator on IMDB. Thoughts? Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ  (Talk Contribs) 04:38, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I definitely agree that this individual wouldn't have been notable had she not turned 100, but the sourcing just might be sufficient to pass WP:N regardless. Best idea in these situations is to wait until the subject is deceased, review the obituaries, and then assess WP:N based on the full breadth of coverage. I'll add it to my Nonagenarians list in the meantime to keep an eye on it. Thanks for the heads up! Canadian   Paul  23:21, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Lord Langford's distinctions and complaints about policies
I regret that you take my attack on utterly outrageous Wikipedia policies as in any way a personal one...no matter who demands a source citation for matters of simple arithmetic I will complain.I ran into this some years ago where two buildings under construction each had a specified height,and someone repeatedly harangued me for "proof" that the taller one was in fact (planned to be) taller than the shorter one.This is no less true for demonstrably quantified lifespans.

If you look at the article history,you'll find that I first noted his achievement of the status of oldest peer ever years ago (yes,he is years older than any peer ever,which makes his recognition as such in his article that urgent and a principal element of his notability) I linked to the lifespans of the persons whose records he broke (7th Viscount St. Vincent for hereditary peers and the life peer Baron Shinwell overall) so that anyone could tell he had in fact lived longer than either.And I got reverted on the same specious grounds.This time I tried a bare statement of the fact,with a note that he was shown elsewhere on the list of royal/noble centenarians and plainly the oldest),and got pounced on again.

I've got all but one or two locally available editions of the Guinness Book since 1970 (I started collecting them as a child).In the section on longevity,a matter on which I am an internationally known compiler and correspondent,my early ones say "The most reliably pedigreed large group of people in the world,the British peerage,has,after ten centuries,produced only one peer who reached even his 100th birthday." This is an unidentified reference to Lord Penrhyn(1865-1967).Some years afterward,"one peer" became "two peers" and a new sentence was added,"Neither reached his 101st." (This reflected the late Countess of Kintore(1874-1974)).A number of other peers have reached 100 since...there is a list of them at Leigh Rayment's Peerage Page,a site that some Wikipedians cultivate a prejudice against because it's allegedly more "self-published" than Wikipedia is,but which contains far more data on the subject than would be included in "reliable" Guinness.

A while ago I researched Rayment's data and provided him with a sequential list of who has been the oldest living peer at every time since the accession of Queen Victoria,which he has added to his "Peerage Records(misc.)" page,which I linked to Wikipedia's royal/noble centenarians list since it has people the Wikipedia listers have missed.Lord Langford,I repeat,is by far the oldest. Of course here we run into two tiresome Wikipedia shibboleths,the refusal to revere original research (which should be highly prized) and the insistence on "reliable sources".This is how the article on a business repeats the founder's story of where the company's name came from,which was printed in a newspaper,while the company's CEO,standing in my living room and telling me the real story was something entirely different,can not be mentioned by him or me,only by someone who read somewhere that they had heard we had said it.A court where hearsay is the only admissible evidence will not long enjoy the respect of litigants.The more an article relies on what others have said elsewhere the less independent value it is capable of having.

(I haven't forgotten your gutting the article on Lord Crawford...without mentioning that he was Lord Chamberlain to the Queen Mother,his getting a GCVO in her memorial honours list makes no sense at all.I have Whitaker's Almanacks that list HM's Household,which is how I knew he had the job,but citing a specific source for information that is ubiquitous (probably the best example of this is movie box office data,which is published all over the place) unfairly biases the reader toward the particular outlet one chose for information one could get many places,and I doubt Whitaker's is nearly the only source (I have Who's Whos with Lord Crawford's bio and posts noted as well,and there are many British references I don't have)).

In sum,I am not seeking to disrespect you,I will not bestow undeserved respect on the policies you trumpet.12.144.5.2 (talk) 17:16, 1 September 2017 (UTC)


 * If you don't like the policies, you can always bring the issue up on the policy's talk page and get it modified, but Wikipedia is built on a consensus of editors, not the personal preferences of any individual, so we can't just decide which policies we're going to follow and when. A more reasonable plan, if you feel this strongly, is to perhaps bring the issue to WP:3O or WP:BLPN. If the consensus at either of those places was to include the information, I wouldn't (and couldn't really) object. Canadian   Paul  18:38, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Do you know if there is any good tracker on wikipedia for possibly living tags on here?
Like how there use to be the one that you could do tags like living people+1910 births for example-but it was breaking a lot. (I did find a page earlier that was marked as living and then someone around February put the person was born in 1915, but never said if they died or not-even found one for a guy born in 1902 saying he was still alive!) Wgolf (talk) 02:53, 5 September 2017 (UTC)


 * I don't think I know of one better than any of the classic options. It's fairly easy to peruse the Possibly Living People category, but I suppose that's not a realistic option for Living People. You might want to ask your question at WP:VPT and see if anyone there has a solution. Canadian   Paul  18:39, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Alfons Olszewski
Do you actually have evidence Alfons Olszewski made it to 100 ? Someone else keeps changing the page saying he died in 2006. 100.40.125.198 (talk) 12:42, 26 September 2017 (UTC)


 * In terms of making it to 100, I had confirmation from a Polish Olympic historian that he had reached that milestone. I tried to forward it to WP:OTRS so that I could get a ticket number to use in the article, but I received back a template "Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit!" email, so that was not very helpful. That said, the article has reliable sources claiming that he was alive in 2012 and 2016, so at the very least it appears clear that the report of his death in 2006 was incorrect. Canadian   Paul  15:01, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

And now someone has once again changed the page to say that he died in 2006 and they also removed him from List of living centenarians. 100.40.125.198 (talk) 14:24, 28 September 2017 (UTC)


 * I reverted it and added a note. I'm also going to try and contact OTRS to get this sorted again. Canadian   Paul  14:41, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Mario Bedogni
Well this is a bit strange. Appears that the SportReference DOD for Mario Bedogni (as well as the SIHR's) appears to have been incorrect, as he died a few days ago. Connormah (talk) 22:10, 29 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I saw that. Definitely a mistake on the SR end. I'd like to say that it'll be fixed the next time they do an update, but it's been over a year since the last one so... Canadian   Paul  18:14, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Canada 10,000 Challenge submissions
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Dewey Readmore Books
Hi, I've added more discussion to the TAlk page about my editing to reduce the coverage of Myron's books in this article, as there is one on her books, and another on her. Her bio is the least developed of the three articles, but is surely the place to have content about her writing. Parkwells (talk) 22:58, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I haven't really looked at or been involved with any of the other pages (Myron, the books, etc.), but a quick glance over them makes me think that none of them would pass WP:N if they were to come under careful scrutiny. They are all notable more or less for being connected Dewey, and I don't see much, if anything, of actual encyclopedic merit that couldn't just be included on Dewey's page. But, as I said, I haven't really looked into them in depth.
 * As for your changes to Dewey's actual page, I don't really see them as improvements to the article. A lot of them are subjective changes to the prose and, while I think they take away from the narrative of the article and make the prose more stolid/a list of facts, that alone wouldn't be worth debating. The chopping up of the paragraphs contributes to this as well, although probably not to the degree of violating MOS:BODY's recommendation that "Very short or very long sections and subsections in an article look cluttered and inhibit the flow of the prose", so again, I disagree and don't quite understand why this change was made, but it's not the biggest deal.
 * What I don't understand, however, is the removal of the books. They're cited in reliable sources (I couldn't find good ones for the others, hence why they were not included), they are not given undue weight, and they're presented fairly neutrally (basically, they exist), and so I don't see any policy-based reason for their removal. They add to the article by giving a more comprehensive picture of the subject, in what is already a very short/limited article. Since another editor has reviewed the article in depth, I might argue that there was a tacit consensus to include the mention in the article. With that said, therefore, one way to resolve the dispute might be to ask the GA reviewer to take a look at the new version. As it stands, I think that the previous version was significantly better. Canadian   Paul  23:49, 9 October 2017 (UTC)


 * I had not seen the discussion on the talk page; I have moved my comment there and suggest that discussion continue there. Canadian   Paul  00:01, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppetry User:Dopenguins
You recently blocked User:Dopenguins for one week, they are evading their block and making identical disruptive edits with another account User:LikeGannets. I have made a possibly malformed report here Sockpuppet investigations/Dopenguins it has been a while since I reported anyone for sockpuppetry, could you take a look please. Theroadislong (talk) 21:41, 10 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Sorry I missed it, but it looks as if you got the job done. Great work! Canadian   Paul  18:25, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

You've got mail

 * I'm going to respond to your email here. In regards to the sentence "He blamed his performance on the team's arrival too late to acclimate to Rome's conditions", that claim was made by Keily himself and is properly cited with the reliable source provided, so even if it did "cheapen" his racing career (I don't quite see how it does), then the only person doing it would be the athlete himself. Our job here is not to be a PR firm or to write a biographical treatment of the subject, it is to provide as neutral a presentation of the facts as possible, and I don't see it as providing any undue weight, since that was his own explanation. If the other information in your email can be cited in reliable sources and you feel that it would balance the article out, it can be added as well, and readers can decide for themselves how impressive his feats were. Canadian   Paul  17:40, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I obviously never claimed that the long-dead Keily didn't make such a remark. What I'm saying is that it does "cheapen" his career as a result of him, no doubt both exhausted and disappointed in his actually gallant performance at the time, making a boneheaded offhand remark to a reporter well over half a century ago that sought to excuse his loss, that adds absolutely zero to the article. I gave you considerable info and context about why he should not have been at all ashamed at his effort and why his comment at the time did not reflect reality. Your inability to understand it, in context, is not something I can assist you with. Please tell me how you think it somehow adds to the article. It doesn't matter if it was properly sourced or not. I certainly don't want us to become a PR (nor an opposition research) firm and Keily has no constituency unless the article is being read by a great grandchild or something, but he should not be remembered for an impetuous and unfortunate conclusive remark that had no legitimate basis in reality, in an otherwise brilliant career. It was simply a remark that was picked up by a boneheaded reporter and was repeated by another boneheaded reporter a few years later each of whom likely knew little or anything about the event but who, as reporters used to say, were probably "getting paid a nickel a word." Keily doesn't need to have his career diminished by a remark that was irrelevant at the time he made it, one that also disparaged the 1960 British Olympic Committee. I'm frankly astonished at your determination to preserve it in his article. Please don't presume to school me on what might be appropriate for me to add to this or any other article to provide some unneeded "balance." The 57-year-old remark didn't provide any "balance" at all and shouldn't need any counterweight. I wrote that explanation privately to you and stressed that I was not remotely interested in pursuing an edit war. Your restoration of the remark was a mistake, in my estimation, and it sounds to me as though that rather than thinking about it for a moment, you consider yourself the sole arbiter about what's fit and what's not, and for whatever odd reason are spoiling for some sort of a public contest. It's not worth it to me. Suit yourself. Activist (talk) 13:05, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * You may have provided "considerable info and context", but I haven't seen reliable sources to support what you saying. I thought about it for much more than a moment and provided you with several policies supporting my stance, while you have responded only with personal attacks and the idea that you think it portrays him in a bad light (if we removed every cited statement that showed someone in a bad light, the encyclopedia would not be very neutral). I am not the sole arbiter of anything; Wikipedia is built on consensus and getting a third opinion is always available, along with numerous other consensus-building options. In addition, I believe that my suggestion about how you could include the contextualizing information in the article, if you have the proper citations, would be a much simpler option than any other. Canadian   Paul  18:37, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The RS previously cited in the article noted his competitive history at great length. I cited his prior times. He never ran faster than four minutes slower than the winning, world record time for the race, a rate of eight seconds per mile slower, quite likely in far better conditions than prevailed at the Rome race. He was with the leaders for half the race. His probable impetuous remark, likely made when he was exhausted and disappointed at the finish to a general reporter who had little understanding of the nature of the event, was unfortunately a poor excuse, sour grapes, which might have been quite momentary for him. I asked you what the comment added to the article, which question you've ignored. The guy was a great runner, who made a gallant effort. It was nothing to be ashamed of, and there was no need or basis to blame the British Olympic committee for the result. Arriving a couple of days earlier wouldn't have helped him to get acclimated to the muggy weather, and he may have had muggy weather back in England. The weather varied considerably over the course of the week and a half before the Marathon. It wasn't a race at altitude, after all, in which case arriving a week or two might have made a little difference. There were cool days followed by hot days, dry days followed by humid ones, reversed frequently between mornings and evenings. The temperature in the evenings was cool, but on some days the humidity was quite high, early, on others later in the day. On the 7th, for instance, three days before the race, it was 79% early in the evening, about the time of day the marathon was held. The course (p. 118) was not an easy one, with the first half passing through numerous rolling hills. At 22km it began a long climb, peaking at 30km, probably 200 feet higher in just five miles/eight km. It's a bit difficult to read the map at, http://library.la84.org/6oic/OfficialReports/1960/OR1960v2pt1.pdf#page=118 but the course went out southwest on the Viale Cristoforo Colombo, turned east on the Raccordo Anulare, climbed abruptly, and then turned northwest on the Via Appia Antica back to the start at the north end of the triangular course. Keily led the pack through 15 km (p. 123), but dropped back to 4th place, 40 seconds behind Abebe and Rhadi by 20 km, just short of halfway. He was in 5th, 107 seconds back at 25 km. Magee at that point had moved up from 8th to 3rd, two minutes behind the leading pair, where he remained for the rest of the race. At that point Van Den Driessche dropped out. Messitt had probably dropped out much earlier and was out of the top ten by 15 km. Keily still finished just behind one of the world's great marathoners, Eino Oksanen, over five minutes ahead of the 1956 Olympic marathon winner, Alain Mimoun, who also had three silver Olympic medals, and 12 minutes ahead of the Canadian champion, Gord Dickson, a fine runner. https://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/summer/1960/ATH/mens-mara  Now there's absolutely no need to burden that Keily article with all that contextual detail. The remark never should have appeared in the newspaper 57 years ago, save for the obvious limitations of the reporter who quoted it, and it shouldn't appear in Wikpedia now. Activist (talk) 13:24, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thanks! You set 'em up, I'll knock 'em down, haha. Canadian  Paul  19:44, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Carlos Domingos Massoni
Hello, I've seen that you have updated the page of Carlos Domingos Massoni, adding the date of death in 2001, according to sports reference. I've found this article on which is reported a statement of Mosquito of the 2008, remembering the teammate Rosa Branca recently passed. GBG (talk) 17:05, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for spotting that. I've removed the DOD from the page! Canadian   Paul  19:51, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Pedro Bustos
Hi, here's an article on Pedro Bustos. He was alive on September 2016. 192.54.144.229 (talk) 08:23, 23 November 2017 (UTC).
 * Another article celebrating his 90th birthday. 192.54.144.229 (talk) 08:26, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for finding that! I'll update accordingly. Canadian   Paul  19:52, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Peter Whitehead (sport shooter)
Hi Canadian Paul. In 2014, you moved Peter Whitehead (sport shooter) to Percy Whitehead, leaving behind a redirect. Do you have any objection to me nominating the redirect for deletion, to avoid potential confusion? Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 22:11, 3 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Nope, no objection at all. In fact, I wish there was a valid WP:SPEEDY criterion so that I could do it myself now. I doubt that anyone would miss it. Canadian   Paul  22:14, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll nominate it for deletion. DH85868993 (talk) 22:19, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Edit Perényi-Weckinger
Hi CP, what are your thoughts on this for a source of death for Edit Perényi-Weckinger? Thanks --Jkaharper (talk) 10:46, 14 January 2018 (UTC)


 * She was definitely alive in 2016, so that link is either mistaken or attempting to inflate the value of the autograph, depending on your personal outlook on the human condition. It is for that latter reason (or, if we must go the policy route, the fact that there's no editorial oversight so it is essential a self-published source) that I personally would not consider auction sites reliable sources of information. So unless there is a WP:RSN decision to the contrary, I would say no as a general rule. Canadian   Paul  18:32, 14 January 2018 (UTC)