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Wikiversity vote
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Scottish Wikipedians' notice board
Since joining Wikipedia recently I have learnt an awful lot, and one of those things is the value of teamwork. It has become increasingly apparent to me that there are absolutely tons of people out there devoted to editing the Scottish articles, but we communicate only haphazardly. To begin to attempt to remedy this, I have initiated a notice board for all Scoto-fans!

You can find it using this shortcut: WP:SCOWNB (yes, I know that it ain't very "short", but our nordic neighbours had first call on WP:SWNB).

Please sign up and post notices, or at least Watch the page.--Mais oui! 15:34, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Veganism
Canaen, I believe consensus could be made with FrancisTyers(not vegan presumably) and me 64.105.20.237 a.k.a Idleguyspal (vegan for life). Idleguy and Skinwalker are really creating quite a mess here, although not in collaboration. I am not very familiar with Wikipedia protocol thus far, but there has to be some recourse here. Let me get this straight, these two have claimed personal attacks on the bases of you using the word ignorant (are these people ignorant of the definition of ignorance? Seems unlikely that they would be and in itself could be construed as a personal attack). The only claim on me for personal attacks is using the name Idleguyspal, which I am not entirely sure is a personal attack but I have stopped using it. Skinwalker also claims some weird sock puppetry claim that I am Anon, Bob3, you, and numerous other IPs (which is laughable. If he actually tracked the IPs to firmly make that claim he would probably find them strewn throughout the world). Idleguy and Skinwalker both have not initiated any constructive dialogue on the talk pages and only state a constant gripe with others who don't see things thier way. I am working to bring more pro-environmental vegans or vegetarians in on this who are not current Wikipedians (as far as I know anyway). There is a vegan environmental blog at []. I'm sure there are possible contacts there. Anyhow, I believe the three of us already have a reasonable amount of consensus thus far and we just need to strike the dialogue amongst us. Please review my dialogue with FrancisTyers. 64.105.20.237 18:02, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Sounds like we've got a base for getting this article back on its feet again, I've also noticed that the two in question seem to be lacking any real contributions to the talk page, or the article for that matter (when it's open). This was one of my main qualms about the Environmental Criticism section; it had too many problems to be live, and needed to be worked out first. I've also asked around in various online Vegan discussion groups (LiveJournal) to come over to the article, and met with moderate success, or so I've been told. However, there was still trouble. Anyway, I don't think that this little bit is going to do much more, so off I am to the Veganism Talk Page. Canaen 08:53, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Just a quick heads up on my full entrance into Wikipedia. I, Idleguys pal is now Nidara (Hindi for undaunted) Please erase this whenever you want, I will learn how to send you a direct message when I have a few more minutes to myself. Nidara 21:52, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, Congratulations! I very much think that your title is apt. Canaen 02:26, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Clan Fraser
Sorry about that. I must have had an older version in my text editor and pasted it in by mistake. The first thing I noticed was that I had put back the version with the clan badge as a strawberry instead of the yew. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 06:30, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * No harm done, none at all. Strawberry was the Plant Badge that I assumed before discovering it was actually Yew. Canaen  06:46, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Environmental vegetarianism
Hey, could you come and take a look at the Environmental vegetarianism page, read through it thoroughly and give your opinions on the talk page, noting if you have any objections. I've tried to introduced a world-wide view into the article as well as making it NPOV and would like to get your input. - FrancisTyers 17:05, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure. I saw went through bits breifly the other night and was rather impressed, I must say. I'll look the whole thing over tonight. Canaen  03:55, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

New Collaboration Project
You'd you be interested in participating in a new Collaboration project that aims at translating good and featured articles in the French Wikipedia to English (much like the Spanish Translation of the Week)? I'm trying to see if there's enough users interested in this project before creating it. Thank you. CG 17:40, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Mm, my french has gotten a bit rusty (I added that tag awhile ago, and haven't spoken much since; I should probably reduce it to a 1 or so about now), and I'm afraid that I'll be absent for quite some time after this week, so I don't think I'll be much help. I wish you the best of luck however; it's something I would be very much interested, given the time. I've been looking for something to do to get reaquainted with langue Francais. (that probably has a grammatical issue, besides not having the soft C). Canaen  04:00, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Honestly
I wish I hadn't gotten into this mess. *sigh* adminship. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 05:34, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I feel your pain. Well, sorta. Not from Wiki experiences. Thank you, at any rate. Canaen 06:40, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

RfC
No, I don't mind you using the personal RfC at all. =) -- BMIComp &#91;&#91;User_talk:bmicomp&#124;(talk]], &#91;&#91;User:bmicomp/RfC&#124;HOWS MY DRIVING)]] 22:34, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah. Thank you very much then. I must also add that I love the driving metaphor. Canaen 03:03, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Gaelic
Yo dude, I don't know where I saw it, but my eyes seized upon a "céad míle fáilte" that you wrote, and after having a nosy at your userpage I see you know a bit of Scots Gaelic. Now I know that Scots Gaelic and Irish Gaelic are fairly similar, but when you wrote that did you mean it to be the Scottish or Irish variety? I'm only asking because I'd be amazed if the Scottish form was exactly like the Irish equivilent, the latter of which is what I presumed you wrote. Hmmm, there was probably a more succinct way of writing that, but it's past my bedtime, so forgive me! Brian 22:37, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I thought I responded to this earlier. I don't speak any Irish, but I do know that "fáilte" means "Welcome" in Scottish, as well as Irish. The languages are quite close, usually only havintg slight spelling differences and bits of ponunciation, from what I've seen. Canaen  04:57, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Fraser_Crest.gif
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 * I've fixed it now. Canaen  09:00, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Ick. no more CC, apparently. I'll get to it soon. Canaen  09:06, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Clan Fraser
What did you have in mind? Do you have it in a sandbox? CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 00:29, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikimedia Canada
Hi there! I'd like to invite you to explore Wikimedia Canada, and create a list of people interested in forming a local chapter for our nation. A local chapter will help promote and improve the organization, within our great nation. We'd also like to encourage everyone to suggest projects for our national chapter to participate in. Hope to see you there!--DarkEvil 17:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Though I'll undoubtedly look in from time to time, I'm not Canadian, nor do I reside there. I think you might've seen Cascadian on my page, because I'd like to see Cascadia extend far past Shasta, down to the south of San Francisco. At any rate, thanks for the heads up! Canaen 04:59, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Project
Hi, my name is Federico (alias Pain) and I am creating a section for nominating th best user page, I was wondering if you were interested in joining the project.

The project has just started, and we need help to spread the word and ameliorate it.

Votes_for_best_User_page

Best regards, Federico Pistono  ✆   ✍  00:48, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for showing me the link; I'll look into it. Canaen  05:00, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Will
Hey, it's Will. User:Tricklin 8:16, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Cool beans, yo. Canaen  23:07, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Veganism
I agree with pretty much everything you've said. There really is (at least where I come from) the insidious idea that veganism is inherently environmentally friendly and you do get vegans lording it over you. I wonder how many cotton tshirts declaring "I am a vegan" there are - yes I do wear some cotton tshirts, no I don't buy them.

For my mind ideally no-one would need to class themselves as a vegan because their ethical choices would preclude them from eating meat in almost every situation. They wouldn't be ruling out eating meat, so for example if they were in a situation where eating meat was necessary - such as out of politeness (not like middle class pretentious politeness, but you go to a foreign country and the people you're staying with make you food) or out of hunger, they would. They would not be able to be classed as vegans because vegans can't use/eat meat, but they would be as, if not more ethically sound.

Basically vegan is a label which to most people means what i said "no meat and no animal products". Why not go a step further and just say I live in accordance with a strict ethical code. You don't need to be in the vegan club to cause less damage to the environment! Sorry if this has been a bit ranty, its one of the things I feel quite strongly about :)

Trimming it down even more you can get the essence in:


 * be pragmatic, not dogmatic!



High Fructose Corn Syrup
Hi Canaen, You sent me a message earlier about High Fructose Corn Syrup being vegan. Most websites, if you search on google, will tell you that High Fructose Corn Syrup may or may not be vegan. As a vegan myself, I like to avoid any sugar additives that may potentially be filtered through bone char. There is also talk that extracted fiber and potein from the corn syrup is used as livestock feed. However, this information comes from only one source.

--Adriana Goldman 01:40, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Bark + Grass Revolution Supper zine  


 * Thanks; I've been looking for that vegan-info page for ages, though I didn't see anything on the other two pages which actually discussed Corn Syrup being non-vegan. Canaen  03:40, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, you have to buy the zine so you can read the page that says it's non-vegan, and on the bodyfueling page there's a paragraph on veganism in the towards the end of the long response. The zine is really great for anyone interested in veganism.


 * --Adriana Goldman 05:34, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok. Thank you, and I'll look out for it in the future. Canaen  08:56, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikiversity Politics
Hi there, I saw your comment on b:Talk:Pos_1000 - I'd also agree that the benefit of Wikiversity courses (or whatever they turn out to be) should be made available to people on-wiki. I'm pretty much full-time on getting Wikiversity up and running at the moment, but let me ask you, what do you think of that course? I mean, what do you want out of it? How much time are you willing to put into it? Are you happy with how it's run? And, in case you're wondering, I'm asking you here as opposed to Wikibooks, for the same reason as you're interested in the course - politics. Cormaggio @ 00:04, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I think the study of Politics to be absurd, and I think that nobody should have to study such things, and everyone should go live in intentional communities, be self-sustainable, and be happy. But, I also think that it's quite a good idea to understand your enemy. I want to get an idea of what exactly's going through peoples' minds when they go into this stuff; I want to wrap my head around a lot of concepts which I would otherwise have to drive at least to the local Junior College to get courses on, and that it would be wonderful to be able to simply log onto my computer and start learning in the same manner as Uni students. Or better. I would be willing to put in as much time as neccessary to understand the concepts, and participate in the class; education is my primary task in life at the moment. I think that for the course, the class structure seems to be set up just fine (I especially like the part about open discussion/debate), but that certainly, not all Wikiversity courses should be set up in that manner. It's fine that you ask me here; I don't check my other accounts so often. Canaen  06:51, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


 * And equally honestly, I think that the course "professor" is an asshole - he refuses to listen to anyone who questions that he is the professor, in fact he reverts anyone who says he isn't, and deletes all questions related to this - see and . If this is meant to be someone who can engage in "discussion", well, there's no hope.


 * Ok, that's my rant for now. But what I was asking you was what you wanted out of the course, and you want pretty much what I imagine anyone who's interested in Politics would want to look into (whatever about your own perspective on this). I'm all for discussion - that's what a wiki is based on. And I'm not against Gh0st setting up classes per se (although there's politics behind this too). But what I am against is someone who stakes ownership of a course, just as I am against someone who stakes ownership of an article on wikipedia. That's my concern. Cormaggio @ 10:28, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


 * PS: As an adjunct to that, I see the notion of "intentional communities" to be central to setting up a sustainable plan for Wikiversity - the model of conventional courses has huge resistance to it throughout the Wikimedia community. I think "courses" need to be mediated through community as a fundamental unit, that's my own personal view and also the growing consensus view on this. Cormaggio @ 10:37, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Let's have a "Huzzah!" for honesty, shall we? Huzzah! Ok, now that that's done: I think Wikiversity is one of the instances where ownership of a course could potentially be beneficial. If I have something to teach about Skateboarding, and my friends Joseph and Michael also do, and we set up a course together, well that's just dandy. If Jennifer comes in later and has bits to add, then that's quite nifty as well, and we'd welcome her.


 * However, if I were to open a class called "Pipebombs 101," and I had everything planned out meticulously, and then Jennifer came in and said "Use corn syrup! Corn syrup works just as well, and this is how you do it:" I think that has the potential to offset the course. Jennifer would do much better, in my opinion, to start her own course.


 * There's certainly room for many classes on explosives, just as there is certainly room for many classes on politics; Obviously Gh0st's class is going to be slanted in his way, no matter how hard he tries not to be, and anyone else's class is going to be slanted another. Once this thing gets big, we're going to need more than one instructor for these kinds of courses, and I'm sure there's room as well for courses and discussion groups on the same topic.


 * If someone starts interfering with the course, then I think ownership is a good thing. But I definitely see your point; collaborative projects are pretty much awesome, and Wikiversity could be a wonderful oportunity to create collaborative discussion groups, which I think is more in line with my perspective on life, and what you're saying. I think there's room for both authoritative courses and collaborative groups; and I think singling one out as better than the other is not something to be done. Canaen  02:40, 25 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Huzzah! Mm, I see your point about ownership, but I suppose my take on this is that allowing more people have input into a course will surely enrich the experience of the participants. A course, for me, is about raising questions and raising levels of thinking to ever-more critical levels (I mean "critical" in the broadest sense), not necessarily to dictate what the right information is. So if Jennifer wants to tell everyone to use cornsyrup, that's fine, as long as people treat that information critically, and take into account what the other participants (tutors, students) are saying on the basis of their experience. If the course can allow for that kind of debate, that's great. If needs be, yes, courses could fork, but I'm still against ownership; I'm for leadership (with a strong bias towards facilitator, rather than leader per se). I believe in a certain amount of tension, even conflict, but I suppose we don't want to let things get too explosive ;-) Cormaggio @ 12:58, 25 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with you, personally. Though, I think that learning groups would do better (at least for me), with cooperation, rather than conflict. I think the ownership issue depends on how the Wikiversity is going to be structured. If there is going to be a single, definitive course on Basic Arithemetic, sponsored by the Wikiversity (or perhaps a governing body of the Wikiversity) then I think ownership of that course would be a horrible idea.


 * But I think there would be certain courses (such as certain areas of history only known or particularly well-known by a single specialist), where a single Professor/Teacher would be most beneficial to the course. Sorry for this being so late. I didn't see that you had responded. Canaen  07:59, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Copwatch
Thanks for working on the Copwatch article. Apparently the article was speedy deleted by an admin with no warning. Now that it's been re-instated and put up on AfD hopefully we'll have enough votes to keep it. So far things are in our favor. Mycota 07:01, 27 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Good stuff. Canaen  07:43, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Please Use Edit Summaries
Hello. Please remember to always provide an edit summary. Thanks and happy editing. ¡Dustimagic! ( T / C ) 06:04, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reminder. I usually do, but with long, tedious, repetitive moving and editing of very minor typos, I sometimes just forget. Canaen  19:49, 18 April 2006 (UTC)