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Re: List of hurricanes in the Bahamas
That's a nice little article there, that I've been watching for a while. Right now, I'm trying to finish up my topic on List of North Carolina hurricanes, which is currently only missing from 1900-1945 (article is from 1900-1949, and the last few years are finished in sandbox). However, if I finish that soon, and you're still working on your article, I'd love to collaborate. Would you want to maybe go in opposite directions? I could start at the present, and you start from the beginning of time (only 13 billion years ago), and we'll meet in the middle (1925, I'm betting). ;) ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:40, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yea, that'd be cool to collaborate on that. Your articles have definitely improved. In fact....

Alright, I moved the article. That was my first major admin work! Good job on the article, too. I only have one qualm. It links to the Euro, but the Euro didn't become a currency until the 1990s. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Erin
I have to be careful here with Erin...but let's use some common sense. If a system is an MCS, it has plentiful convection and a warm core, satisfying the tropical cyclone definition. NHC's main sticking point is that the system did not develop over water. Then again, there are other systems in HURDAT that have developed over land, but none this far inland. A tropical cyclone is just a long lived MCS that persists due to the relatively unlimited fuel provided by warm waters. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:11, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Euro sign
Unfortunately, the site isn't working for me ATM, but I'm wondering if the sign in the article might look like one of the other signs located on Currency sign. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 23:24, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Tropical cyclones WikiProject Newsletter #15
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 * You were such an easy choice, really, and you deserve it! Yea, I've seen your occasional forays in some non-hurricane topics, but you've always been a very dedicated editor for these past two years. Now, just because you got MotM, that doesn't mean the pressure is off. We're all expecting you to keep it up :) Oh, I did this for the MotM winner last month, so I'll do it again this month. How would you like to choose the Selected picture for the Tropical cyclone portal for the month of May? It can be anything, although I'm slightly pushing for a damage picture. Cheers. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:00, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * That would work, if you want. Just to check (and I'm not trying to sway your vote or anything), but might you want the somewhat similarly angled, currently featured and from the same season Image:Felix from ISS 03 sept 2007 1138Z.jpg? Of, if you want to go with Dean, would you mind uploading that, as I don't have the image information. Cheers. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

1924 season
Ahh! I didn't know you were working on that. I'd been working on a storms section for that season for quite some time. I thought I was going at it alone. We need to all get on the same page and know who's working on what so we can avoid mixups like this. 'Cause right now I feel like I've been wasting my time. -- § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 21:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Is my playhouse that interesting?
So what did you think of the playhouse so far? I've never had anyone edit something in my sandbox before. Wanna help? I foresee one superbly written Everglades article with several sattelites. The one I'm working on now will probably be titled Indigenous people of the Everglades region. I'll probably have a separate one for Drainage and development of the Everglades and another one for Restoration of the Everglades. I'm not sure if I'm going to write a full one for Ecology of the Everglades, but it's certainly a possibility. --Moni3 (talk) 12:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey there. I appreciate the assistance. It makes me conscientious that I need to be clearer in my writing and facts. On that note, do you have a page number for the information about Hurricane Donna and the Great white heron? Thanks. --Moni3 (talk) 18:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

For CVW
Indigenous people of the Everglades region was promoted to Featured Article today. One down, four to go. Thanks. --Moni3 (talk) 01:50, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Page
Taken care of. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:27, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: 1949
Ugh, I was worried about that, and I knew it was coming. I think I would go with the list for the official data, for the primary reason that it was released later than HURDAT was. I don't know when HURDAT first analyzed the 1949 storm, but I think it was very likely before the list. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Hurricane Baker (1950)
Hi! I just wanted to drop you a note to let you know that I completed the GA review of Hurricane Baker (1950) a few days ago. I have a couple of minor issues that I would like to see resolved before I pass the article, so if you would like to take care of those, I can pass the article without further delay. Thank you! Dana boomer (talk) 13:11, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Juliancolton/Sandbox
Thanks for the helpful edit to User:Juliancolton/Sandbox. :) –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  00:20, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for 1933 Treasure Coast hurricane
--Dravecky (talk) 11:27, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Typhoon Olive (1952)
--Dravecky (talk) 08:04, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

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2012 Debby outbreak
Your tornado tables are still not formatted right. I suggest that you have a look here to see the correct formatting. Also, do not source Public Information Statements because they will get overwritten by updates. United States Man (talk) 01:13, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. United States Man (talk) 01:23, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Because it is good to keep consistency between List of United States tornadoes from May to June 2012 and outbreak pages, you should check for updates there and move those over to the outbreak page. That page should have the latest confirmations and new info since it is updated frequently. United States Man (talk) 03:29, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Cape Sable hurricane
Hey, do you want me to do a history merge between the sandbox and the main article? Great job with that article btw. Keep up the good work! --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 22:31, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm going to go ahead and do it, since right now you have some crossspace redirecting going on. I'll move the sandbox back to a subpage of yours, too :) --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 22:37, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It should be all done now. Here is your sandbox back! --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 22:40, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Quotation marks
You might find MOS:QUOTEMARKS interesting. Frietjes (talk) 17:03, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

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1932 Deep South tornado outbreak
I'm a bit confused by your latest edit to 1932 Deep South tornado outbreak. The list of tornadoes claims the times are in UTC, but we usually use local time for determining where to split days for tornado events. TornadoLGS (talk) 23:31, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The times are listed in UTC, but we usually use midnight local time for the cutoffs of dates. So, for example if an event occurs in the CST zone we split the days at 0600 UTC. TornadoLGS (talk) 05:40, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

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Any Tips?
I've put together something for an article for one of the older tornado outbreaks here in my sandbox I can see that you've done some work in historic outbreaks and was wondering If you could give some advice before I put it up. I might see about a few other articles for some of the more major historic outbreaks after this one. TornadoLGS (talk) 02:36, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You might not have seen my first message, but I really would like to hear any advice you have on this. I plan on doing a few articles like this an I want to make sure I'm doing it right before proceeding. TornadoLGS (talk) 06:09, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

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Keep it up!
User:CapeVerdeWave/Sandbox2 - I saw this, and was very impressed with your work on it. Good luck finishing it! --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:27, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

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Unexplained removal of sources/info
I'm sure you know what this is about, but I'm going to have to ask you stop removing sourced info from the F5 list at whim. Thanks. Sharkguy05 (talk) 18:11, 9 September 2013 (UTC)Sharkguy05

Thank you for the polite response, but I don't think you took a very close look at the sources. While some of the info is mentioned on extreme planet, I did not use that website once as a source in my recent edits. I used a mixture of NWS and AMS articles, and some media historic media sources as well. Please actually look at the sources. If you are unclear, the consensus was that we can use the actual inline citations from that website, but not the blog itself. Thanks for getting back to me. Sharkguy05 (talk) 01:38, 10 September 2013 (UTC)Sharkguy05

Well they are there, so I don't know what to tell you. There are images to back up many of the statements, so just because you didn't read carefully doesn't mean you get to remove them. There are no Extremeplanet links on this page, and there haven't been for a while, so i'm not sure what you mean. Are you being completely honest here? Sharkguy05 (talk) 01:55, 10 September 2013 (UTC)Sharkguy05

I didn't use pictures for the Andover tornado, that quote about the frames comes from a newspaper report...Yeah, confusion is a good word to describe this situation. With Lubbock, there is a direct quote mentioning the lofting of oil tanks in that PDF file. Also, it's just a logic thing as well. If you see a strip of grass removed evenly in a tornado path, or a car frame wrapped around a tree (Udall)(Tracy), what else is it besides ground scouring or vehicles stripped to their frames? It's there, clear as crystal. And no, maybe the pine needle thing isn't a direct indicator, but it is certainly interesting, and is a relevant piece of info to the article. Also, according to Wikipedia's OR policy, the only problem they mention with pictures, is if the pictures THEMSELVES that show an unpublished idea or statement are actually UPLOADED to the site. Sharkguy05 (talk) 02:49, 10 September 2013 (UTC)Sharkguy05

Thanks. I'll change it to "metal" to make it more objective. Sorry about the headache I probably gave you lol, this kind of thing is one of my biggest hobbies. With Grazulis no longer active, this page has probably the best, most complete detailed historic tornado info around. A lot historic tornado of info tends to fade into obscurity after several decades, and we both have worked hard to dig it back up and make it available to the public. I think it would be a shame to let that info fade away again, especially from such direct reliable sources. Sharkguy05 (talk) 03:16, 10 September 2013 (UTC)Sharkguy05

Tanner/Guin sources
I just noticed that you re-added the info about the scouring, pavement, foundation and transmission tower damage caused by the Tanner and Guin tornadoes. Good stuff. I have to ask though, have you actually read these sources? And are you absolutely positive that these books explicitly state that the Guin tornado scoured the ground, and that the Tanner tornado scoured pavement and swept away foundations/transmission towers? The reason I ask, is that these books are very, very hard to come by, and I want to make sure an obscure/unverifiable source is not just being posted to tack unsourced information to. The information, while true, is consistent with an article written by JB Elliott that was posted on ABC 33/40, but is no longer available. As far as I know, JB Elliot was not associated with those two books, yet the info is the same, so I am slightly skeptical. I guess what I am saying, is if I were to somehow get ahold of those books, would I actually find those details while reading them? Sharkguy05 (talk) 21:39, 17 September 2013 (UTC)Sharkguy05

Ok thanks for clearing this up. Unfortunately, the claims need to be verifiable via text or clear photographs. I believe that claims are true, as I have heard eyewitness accounts describing similar things, but unfortunately without a definitive source, it's just hearsay. Also, I am extremely suspicious of the talkweather user CAL. He has made claims that the Lawrenceburg and Bridge Creek swept away foundations, which they most definitely did not. I have to get rid of these details for now, at least until we can confirm the book as a definite source, or we find others to support these claims. In the meantime, we can try to dig up as much info as we can. When it comes to the 74 tornadoes, J.B. Elliot himself is the best source. Problem is, he doesn't seem to have an online presence anymore. I suspect a few people at the NWS offices in Huntsville and Birmingham could offer some valuable info, or at least point us in the right direction. Sharkguy05 (talk) 23:01, 17 September 2013 (UTC)Sharkguy05

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Birmingham 1977 Ground Scouring
Just wondering if you could link me to the pics that show ground scouring with the 1977 Smithfield tornado. I wasn't aware and it sounds interesting.

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Scouring
Well I decided to let Bham 1977 slide because I didn't want to deal with the drama, but apparently I need to address the issue so this doesn't continue. You should only really mention ground scouring in wiki articles when it is mentioned in the source, or can be determined with 100% confidence that it is scouring by looking at the picture (Tracy or Smithville aerials for example). By 100% confidence, I mean that the picture shows a large, obvious area of totally stripped vegetation that is without a shadow of doubt a direct result of the tornado (ie not possibly a result of mud puddles, dead grass, cleanup, agriculture, or construction). The Bham and Fridley pictures do not fall into that category, as those pictures simply do not show anything that is 100% for sure a result of the tornado. The Fridley pictures could really be anything, ranging from dead grass to water damage. It looks way too "patchy" to be legitimate scouring. Tracy on the other hand, the source shows a linear, well defined swath of strikingly discolored ground that is juxtapositioned with the narrow path of structural damage through the town. In that case, it is simply obvious that it is related to tornado. Looking back, you are right that Udall does not meet that criteria of "common knowledge" either, so I'll remove it. Bham 1977 really doesn't either, so that needs to go as well. I'm a meteorology student, but I just started classes and I don't have my diploma yet so I'm still learning. For that reason, i'm no expert either so we have to be cautious. In the past, I have been eager to label any muddy aftermath picture as ground scouring, but iv'e realized that isn't a good idea as it is too subjective, and because there are way too many things that can mimic ground scouring. In other words, it's really hard to tell unless the pictures are aerial. When it comes to ground-level pictures, use the below links as references. Note the lack of patchiness, and how the grass blades have been bent over and flattened into the mud and pulled up in small clumps. That is what to look for when viewing ground level pictures. Anything less than what is shown below, I wouldn't mention it.

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/images/jan/Weather_Events/2011/0425_0427severe/Neshoba_Kemper_Winston/042711_410.jpg

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/images/tsa/sigwxevents/may10_2008/RIMG0087.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Tree_debarked_by_EF5_tornado.jpg

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re: HURDAT
Yea, I knew Sandy Delgado was working on 54-65, but didn't know it was up to 1969! That's pretty cool. I had no idea that you contributed to the reanalysis, that's awesome! Congrats :D That means that there are no Category 5 hurricanes in the 1940s, which is a little unusual (although we've gone six years since the last one, so dry spells are possible). Do you, by chance, know when the meta data will be available? I saw that the BT was updated today, but it's such a long stream of numbers and stuff, it's tough to take it all in. I was hoping someone would update the tracks, so that'd make it easier too. Yea, I was suspecting King would be upgraded due to that Hagen paper. We at the WPTC agreed a while back not to use his paper due to it being preliminary, and wait for it to be officially approved by HURDAT. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:38, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Crazy span of years! Yea, I made my own list of changes on Storm2k to the period. No surprise about Dog being downgraded - there was no data to back it up! I'm a bit surprised there weren't any additional off-season storms, which is a pet project of mine. It looks like 2005 beats 1950 with the number of majors, due to Charlie and Baker being downgraded. 1950 is still impressive due to the 16 storms it had, still among the highest on record (especially pre-satellite). --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:55, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Re: EF5 list Reversions
I can agree all of that except for Guin. That is still based on speculation and assumption. While you could be right, we can't be 100% sure about what area Grazulis was talking about. There is nothing explicitly stating these were the same lots, so we are forced to throw that piece of info out due to WP:OR. Also, i'd say "small tree" describes that Barneveld picture better than "shrub". I was looking for something at knee height. I'll go back and fix everything else though. Sharkguy05 (talk) 16:11, 18 April 2014 (UTC)Sharkguy05

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