User talk:Capt Jack Doicy

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CVF page comment.
Hi. I've replied as best I can to your comments. Mark83 23:41, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

CVF beam
Hello, Captain. I was surprised that you elected to restore the 70m figure entered by User:82.26.105.33 for the beam of CVF, particularly since you did not complete an edit summary or give any explanation on the Talk Page. In inserting the figure of 39m from www.globalsecurity.org, I did both. For your convenience, I repeat my rationale, given at Talk:Royal Navy CVF programme, here:


 * "Remember that beam is measured at the waterline. A beam of 70m would imply a length-beam ratio of only 4:1, which is out of the question in a major warship. The image accompanying the article  clearly shows a much greater length-beam ratio. Having revisited globalsecurity.org, I find that, as I suspected, 70m (give or take a metre) is the overall width and/or the width of the flight deck."

You advance no arguments to contradict this view. Why, then, did you change it?

One final question, which I hope you will not find discourteous: are you and User:82.26.105.33 one and the same?

Regards, John Moore 309 14:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

P.S. You may post your reply here if you wish; I have added this page to my watchlist. John Moore 309


 * Hello again; I am posting to advise you that I intend to restore the figure of  39m for  the beam of CVF, along with the links to www.globalsecurity.org, later today or tomorrow. Please let me know if you have any problem with this. Regards, John Moore 309 17:08, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry i didn't reply sooner, i changed it to match the official navy listing, which list the beam as such, and i trust the navy to known the dimension better than some website i have never heard of, i don't think the website was reliable since though some of its information was true it was based mostly on armchair admiral speculation. And since this an encyclopedia i believe it wise to follow the RN site since it is their design if the revise their dimension and its the point at which Wiki should revise its dimension.


 * Thanks for this. I see where you are coming from, and in the ordinary way I would agree with you. Let me run a few figures past you (the Block coefficient is Displacement/(Length x Beam x Draught))
 * CVA-01 (our last major carrier design)
 * Displacement: 54500 tons
 * Length: 271m
 * Beam: 37m
 * Draught: 10.2m
 * Length/beam ratio: 7.3
 * Block coefficient: 0.53
 * Yamato (historical example of a CVF-sized warship)
 * Displacement: 73,000 tons
 * Length: 256m (waterline)
 * Beam: 36.9m
 * Draught: 11m
 * Length/beam ratio: 6.9
 * Block coefficient: 0.70
 * USS Nimitz (Supercarrier)
 * Displacement: 101,000 tons
 * Length: 317m (waterline)
 * Beam: 40.8
 * Draught: c.12m
 * Length/beam ratio: 7.8
 * Block coefficient: 0.65
 * CVF – MoD figures
 * Displacement: 65,000 tons
 * Length: 289m (waterline)
 * Beam: 70m
 * Draught: 9m
 * Length/beam ratio: 4.0
 * Block coefficient: 0.37
 * CVF – 39m beam
 * Length/beam ratio: 7.2
 * Block coefficient: 0.66.
 * Historically, the smallest length/beam ratio for a large warship has been 6.9, and the smallest block coefficient 0.53. Clearly a 70m beam at the waterline implies a spectacular excursion from historic design practice, with a length/beam ratio of only 4.0 and a block coefficient of only 0.37, implying a V-shaped underwater hull and impossibly fine ends. The 39m figure, on the other hand, fits in squarely with previous practice. Moreover, I have yet to find any record of a warship with a beam at the waterline excceding 41m. Incidentally, User:82.26.105.33 is wrong in claiming that the Nimitz was designed to transit the Panama canal; to achieve this, she would have to be no more than 294.1 x 32.3 x 12.0 metres (see Panamax).


 * Supercarriers pose special problems because of the gigantic overhang of their flight deck, and it seems that some Wikipedians consider the use of beam to mean “overall width” as legitimate usage. For example, the Nimitz article gives an “overall beam” of 76.8m, ditinguished from the “waterline beam” of  40.8m. It is possible that the editor of the RN website takes the same view. Would you be happy if I give the beam as “70m (overall), 39m (waterline)”, referenced to the RN website and GlobalSecurity.org respectively? Regards, John Moore 309 22:09, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I think thats a fair solution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Capt Jack Doicy (talk • contribs)


 * OK, I've done that. Thanks for your patience. Regards, John Moore 309 20:18, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Controversial and potentinally libelous comments
Please do not add unhelpful and non-constructive information to Wikipedia. Your edits could be considered vandalism, and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. This applies to your comments in Talk: Pope Benedict XVI as well.

In addition, see Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard for guidelines on biographies. Your repeated comments can be considered libelous, and are a clear violation of WP guidelines. Putting the NPOV tag is not something to be done lightly, especially when there is not consensus. Note that the article is rated GA. Anietor 16:09, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Question about your account
Please confirm whether you are also using 82.26.106.141 --Anietor 22:36, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, looks like you've made edits and talk page comments using 82.26.110.246. Perhaps you are forgetting to log in to your account. I would recommend you log in every time. It will save confusion as to who is editing and commenting. It is particularly advisable for you, since you have been involved in some rather contentious discussions, and some controversial edit wars in Pope Benedict XVI. Some may think you are using the multiple accounts for improper sock puppetry. Just a word of advice. --Anietor 16:24, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

its normally because i can't be arsed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Capt Jack Doicy (talk • contribs)

Page renaming
Page renaming must be carried out ONLY by the "page move" function and never by cut and paste. `'Míkka 20:31, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Angry rants can make you blocked forever. Cut and paste page moves are forbidden in wikipedia. Period. The reason is lost edit history of articles. While you are blocked fr 1 hour, take your time and read the Civility policy and osme other useful links in the Welcome page.  `'Míkka 20:55, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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