User talk:Captmondo/Archives/2006/January

Jabiru etc.
Captmondo, as you may see in wikipedia, the confusion involves three species:
 * Jabiru (Jabiru micteria); only one of its genus, restricted to the Americas, known in Brazil as "Jaburú" or "Tuiuiú".


 * Black-necked Stork (Ephippiorhynchus asiaticus), lives in tropical Asia, known in Australia (only?) as "Jabiru"


 * Saddle-billed Stork (Ephippiorhynchus senegalensis), lives in sub-saharan Africa

If the hieroglyph is one of these birds, it must be the last one. The names Jabiru and Jaburu come from Tupi "Yabiru" (stress in the last syllable). The American bird must have been known to naturalists since the 17th century, and the scientific name Jabiru is quite old (before 1816). So I would guess that someone in the 19th century classified the Black-necked Stork as another species of the genus Jabiru, and that name became popular in Australia. Then the scientists decided to separate the genera, renaming the Asian bird as Ephippiorhynchus.

If that guess is true, then probably the same thing happened to the African bird --- early in the 19th century it was put in the Jabiru genus, then the archaeologists identified the hieroglyph as a Jabiru, then the bird got his scientific name changed to Ephippiorhynchus.

But other scenarios are possible. (Was Gardner an Aussie? 8-) All the best, --Jorge Stolfi 06:42, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Paul Kane
These a great! I've created a Paul Kane page, and linked it from Paul Kane. As for the book: no, I think Kane's artistic influence on later painters is the only thing that could need a bit more elaborating. But of course, if you discover other interesting facts, feel free to improve this article or write completely new ones :-) The book, BTW, appears to be a standard textbook for university-level courses in Canadian art history. Thanks for doing this for me; I was really disappointed when I discovered that not even my local university library carries it. Lupo 19:28, 8 January 2006 (UTC)


 * A further note: the man lying on the ground in commons:Image:PaulKane-BuffaloHunt-ROM.jpg is probably Kane himself. He included himself in quite a few of his paintings (Boat Encampment is such an example), and in his book, he writes that he fell from the horse and got nearly run over by the buffalos, but was saved from that fate by one of the Métis who chased the animals around him and shielded him from the herd. Despite this incident, Kane managed to kill two bisons himself. The scene obviously is from the Métis buffalo hunt as they run the buffalos by horse on the open prairie; the later buffalo hunts he witnessed were either a Cree pound hunt (see Talk:Paul Kane), or hunts with HBC people, but these occurred in winter at Ft. Edmonton. Finally, is this a field sketch or an oil painting? I think it might be the latter based on the whole composition with the clouds and all. commons:Image:PaulKane-BushCamp-ROM.jpg might also be an oil painting, I think. Lupo 19:42, 8 January 2006 (UTC)


 * On second thought, there are of course many things you could do while you have that book: see what you can add to Frederick Arthur Verner, or write a least stubs for William Cresswell and Daniel Fowler (MacLaren references Reid for them, so Reid should have something on these two watercolour artists), or see what can be added to Group of Seven or Tom Thomson... enjoy! Lupo 20:25, 9 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey, I'm no authority either! I don't know anything about Canadian art&mdash;the secret to writing such articles is to pick authoritative sources and then to recast, summarize, condense, and rephrase them in a clear and coherent way. So don't be afraid to add stuff to the articles mentioned above. Of course, if you prefer, you could e-mail me scans of the relevant pages (or fax them; if you want to do that, e-mail me for the phone number) and then I'll see what I can do with it. The image of Fort Edmonton wouldn't be this one, would it? :-) Lupo 14:48, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Great images indeed. A pity Image:PaulKane-RiverScene-ROM.jpg is a bit blurry... it's commonly titled Indian encampment on Lake Huron and shows an Ojibwa camp on the shores of Georgian Bay. It might be interesting to know who the chief was. As for using these images: I don't think I can add them to our Paul Kane article; it already has a lot of images. But they might be used in articles on the painter in other language Wikipedias, and some (like the chief, or the buffalo hunt, or also the "fishing at night" painting) could be used to illustrate articles on say, that chief (or his tribe), buffalo hunting, or hunting techniques of Native Americans. And of course, include them all in the galleries at Paul Kane, where they serve as background info on the painter if linked from the main Wikipedias' articles on the painter. Lupo 07:55, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The chief might be Wah-pus ("The rabbit"), noted warrior, residing at Owen Sound, 33&times;50.8cm. Not having found any other reproduction (online or print) of that painting, I can go only by a catalogue of the Kane paintings at the ROM (printed in Garvin's reedition of Kane's travel account), where that image is described as "all of whose hair had been pulled out except the scalp lock". The bush camp is probably Indian Camp Colville, described as "45.7&times;74.3cm, Lodges of Chualpays near Fort Colville, formed of mats on poles with space in which to hang salmon to dry". Lupo 08:41, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot; got the scans! Lupo 09:46, 13 January 2006 (UTC)