User talk:Carbonatedegg

Please stop
"80% of women" is not the same thing as "80% of individuals" or "80% of patients". "80% of women" is about "40% of individuals", because there are a whole lot of non-women individuals in the world. These are not interchangeable words. Please do not make these changes to Premenstrual syndrome again.

Also, Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles advises against using the word patients in general. Most "women" are not "patients" in the context of menstrual discomfort, so changing "80% of women" to "80% of patients (=people who have sought medical care for this subject)" is wrong. 100% of PMS patients have menstrual symptoms.

Note that I'm not actually asking you not to be inclusive; I'm only asking you to quit screwing up the math. If you are uncertain how to keep the number straight, then please don't edit those parts of articles. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:32, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Reply to "Please stop"
Thank you for your feedback. I see what you mean in retrospect. What would be the best language to be both accurate and inclusive, in your opinion? Apologies if this is incorrectly formatted, I'm not familiar with Wikipedia. Carbonatedegg (talk) 16:40, 15 February 2022 (UTC)


 * There isn't a good solution. AFAICT the options are:
 * gender-specific (excludes some affected people)
 * sex-specific ("females", not "women")
 * gender-neutral (which can't be done for this particular statistic)
 * gender-additive ("women and other people who menstruate", which probably shouldn't be done for this particular statistic – when you call out trans folks, it suggests that the research included them, which is probably not the case here)
 * varying language (some sentences are gender-specific and others aren't)
 * IMO none of them are great options. The English Wikipedia currently/officially has no preference.
 * BTW, if you click this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Carbonatedegg?dtenable=1 you will find that it adds a [reply] button to the comments on this page.  You might prefer that system.  If you like it, then I suggest going to Special:Preferences and turning on "Discussion tools" so it will appear on all talk pages.  (Be sure to click the blue "Save" button; changes to prefs aren't auto-saved.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)