User talk:Care4elderly

Note, please add new comments to the end of this page - I have moved your help request down there.  Chzz  ► 11:48, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Your uploaded image
I had to reword the description of your image to prevent Conflict of Interest. I suggest you keep it that way to prevent yourself from getting hard--Care4elderly (talk) 11:12, 9 September 2010 (UTC)-blocked from Wikipedia.

Also, your username is of concern, so if you can change it you may be able to add your article to Wikipedia with a few adjustments. mechamind 9  0  06:11, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Counsel and Care


A tag has been placed on Counsel and Care requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, individual animal(s), an organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject of the article is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding  at the top of the article, immediately below the speedy deletion  tag (if no such tag exists, the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate), and providing your reasons for contesting on the article's talk page, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. You may freely add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

You may want to read the guidelines for specific types of articles: biographies, websites, bands, or companies. Mean as custard (talk) 16:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

HELP!
I need help with creating an article for a UK National charity called Counsel and Care for the Elderly. I created the page and got a comment from an editor below which I read to be quite positive. I thought I was on the right track and that I could publish it soon. However, it got speedily deleted. Is there a way of recovering this or challenging this as I didn't write it like an advertisement and didn't get a chance to correct whatever 'Mean as Custard' deemed wrong. Thanks, Philip.


 * Answering this now, please wait a few minutes.


 * Before doing anything else,.


 * It is not permitted to have a company name as a username, see WP:CORPNAME.


 * Because you have very few edits, the easiest way is to simply 'abandon' this account - change the password to something very long, and forget it - and create a new one.


 * Once you have done that, please use a on the talk page of your new user name, and explain that your old name was "Ccarewiki", then we can look at userfying the deleted article.


 * Alternatively, if you wish, you can request a change of username in WP:CHU.


 * Either of those would be acceptable, but it is essential that you change your username, before we do anything else.


 * Best,  Chzz  ► 11:53, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Part of the solution.
The only thing I can really suggest is to go to WP:CHU for a new username. mechamind 9  0  16:10, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not an expert on deletion criteria for A7, though. It may require an administrator who is very familiar with A7. All I know is that it generally means the article did not indicate how it was connected to a well known subject (a safe bet being that subject has its own Wikipedia article)
 * The other thing I know you could do is request to restore the deleted page to your user space.
 * Note that you should only do the above after changing your username.

My reply to your Help page query...
I am copying the relevant parts of my reply here, in case you have not seen it on the Help page

Do you have reliable, independent sources which can verify the information? Does it meet the general notability guidelines and the notability guidelines for organisations? -- if you weren't aware, if you click on the underlined words/phrases in that sentence, it will link to the relevant policies and guidelines which Wikipedia has for reliable/independent sources, verifiability, the general notability guidelines and the notability guidelines specifically for organisations.

The most important part of my response is the fact that the organisation needs to be notable as Wikipedia understands it: this is not the same as "noble" or "worthy" - there are many charities, organisations and companies who perform excellent services, such as C&C, but which do not meet the criteria for inclusion on Wikipedia. Wikipedia does not exist to publicise charities.

Regarding reliable and independent sources - none of the sources which you provided would meet the criteria, all of them being from the organisation itself, and so not independent. It may seem strange that an organisation cannot be counted as being "reliable", but the organisation's website will usually not be neutral - it exists to promote the organisation, after all!

The best sources are national newspapers (such as the Times, the Telegraph, the Independent, the Guardian, etc) or sources like the BBC.

I would have to disagree with what said in his response to your query, as I do not think that the BBC News link provided meets the "significant coverage" which is required - the whole mention is ''His call for a levy was supported by Counsel and Care, a charity for elderly people. Stephen Burke, chief executive of the charity, said: "With our ageing population, the care funding gap will continue to grow without radical reform and proper funding."''. However, if further coverage could be found at reliable sources, then that would be great! Looking at Google News/Archive, there were no references to the charity (all the references were to " council and CARE" meaning a council, and CARE (relief agency) - I presume).

If there is any way in which I can help, please feel free to contact me on my talk page (you can get there by clicking the 'talk' link in my signature), or leave a message here, I'll see it! --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 17:26, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. The charity is Counsel and Care - not Council. It's a charity for older people (over 65). Please can I have the page restored which was created in the username CCarewiki so that I can make it more Wikipedia moderator friendly. Thanks. --Care4elderly (talk) 10:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Recover Page Please
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Please can someone recover the deleted page I created under the username Ccarewiki so that I can make another attempt of making it more Wikipedia friendly. Also, please, please, please write on my talk page with comments about what is wrong with it so I can rectify it instead of deleting it all. Thanks. --Care4elderly (talk) 10:53, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Userfication requested on your behalf at Requests for undeletion. Fæ (talk) 11:05, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You can now work on your draft at User:Care4elderly/Counsel and Care. You may wish to request a review at Requests for feedback. Fæ (talk) 11:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Some more advice
Some links which might help, adding to the good advice above: Regards, JohnCD (talk) 11:40, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:Your first article - good general advice
 * WP:Notability - what you have to show is "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." The point is that Wikipedia is not a notice-board or listing directory; the test for inclusion is whether other people, independent of the subject, have thought it significant enough to write about. Significant means more than just listing-type mentions; reliable excludes Myspace, Facebook, blogs, places where anyone can post anything; independent excludes the subject's own website, affiliated ones and anything based on press releases. Consider seriously whether the organization meets this requirement, because if it does not, you may find that the attempt to get it into Wikipedia is a frustrating waste of time. There are many worthy organizations which do not qualify for an encyclopedia article, and that is no discredit to them; and there are sites like Myspace where you can set up a page, with the added advantage that you can control what it says, as you will not be able to do here.
 * WP:SOAP and WP:Neutral point of view -- Wikipedia is not here to help promote anything.
 * Wikipedia is not here to tell the world about your noble cause - the rules apply to non-commercial organizations too.
 * WP:Conflict of interest and WP:BESTCOI if you are editing on behalf of the organization.

Some sources that may be useful
The advice you have so far been given is absolutely correct. However, it appears to me to be very technical and prescriptive. I feel you need more directed help. Please do read the above help you have been given; especially read and click throught the blue links, but also consider the following: --Senra (Talk) 19:29, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) It is sometimes useful to look at other similar articles to the one you are editing to get ideas. You can start your search for such articles here. Consider Cancer Research UK, Charitable Society for Social Welfare, National Heritage Foundation, Gift Aid, Sue Ryder. Consider how each of the articles have been written. Take notice of the class of the article; for example unassessed, stub, or start where start is better than stub. Your article will start as a stub. Be aware as stated above it can be hard to create an encyclopaedic article for a charity
 * 2) Please do look for reliable sources. Consider The times] as a possibility but note this particular Times article is not suitable as all it is doing is recording an event
 * 3) consider notability. When was the charity founded? Who founded it? Does it have a Royal patronage? Has the charity achieved any notable feats over the years?
 * 4) please avoid writing the article like a press release or like an advert. Especially do not include direct contact information such as email addresses or phone numbers. Remember that even in talk pages or user pages, real-world contact information is not allowed
 * 5) please do ask me on my talk page if you need any further help

Thank you all!
Thank you so much for all the help you have given to me to try and get this article on Wikipedia. A special thanks to whoever spent the time to research the charity and write up such a brilliant article. I have corrected a couple of figures which were slightly inaccurately and now it looks fantastic! Would it be possible to keep the picture the size it is now as it looks all pixelated at the slightly smaller size.

If it is now suitable to be published, please could someone do this for me as I haven't got a clue how to do this.

Thanks again, --Care4elderly (talk) 11:32, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Great, I was coming here to ask if the article could be published(moving into main area on wikipedia), as you have asked above I will do it myself. We may find that some editors don't believe it's notable in which case other processes will start and we may end back here, but I'm hopeful that won't happen. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 11:57, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks - Was it you who did this huge amount of work on the article? --Care4elderly (talk) 12:59, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You can check the editing history here. Some was mine but User:Senra did most of it. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 13:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Indeed I did some editing with a lot of support from SunCreator. Looking briefly through the article
 * The logo may be too large; the standard is to leave the parameter blank (you have 270px size at the moment). Leaving it blank allows the reader to use whatever size they wish; the default (if the reader does not change it) will be 250px. Leave it for now but be aware it might get changed
 * is still needed? There appears to be a reference (ref #6) now on that sentence (this version)
 * The lead (the first few lines of the article) need expanding. Consider looking at LEAD and adding prose so that it summarises the rest of the article
 * Is there any more information (from reliable sources which are suitably referenced of course) to help expand the history? What did the charity do between 1954 and 2010?
 * "several" and "many of which" are vague terms. Consider re-wording to more concrete statements such as "Counsel and Care offer ten services, four of which are free of charge" or whatever the numbers are. Also this should be sourced with a reference, preferably not from the Counsel and Care website :)
 * We cannot say "VitalLink is a new national network of befriending schemes for older people in association with Counsel and Care" as this is an encyclopaedia article which may be read in five years time when new would then be incorrect. I suggest it is re-worded as "VitalLink, a national network of befriending schemes for older people in association with Counsel and Care, was established in 2010" or whatever the established date is
 * Do you have an images (perhaps one or maximum two) which could be used? Be aware that there are very stiff copyright issues to understand otherwise images get quickly deleted. The best way I find is to take pictures myself. That way, I can be sure I own the copyright and can thus freely transfer it to wikipedia. See Requesting copyright permission for details
 * Notability: Compare and contrast Counsel and Care with other similar UK charities such as Age Concern and Help the aged. Is it bigger? Smaller? Does it do anything different? Special? Commission more research? Write more reports? Has it been active longer? Shorter? Perhaps it is the smallest charity supporting the elderly? Does it have or not have charity shops? Is it the leading advocate of care for the elderly in the UK? As always, if it is any one or more of these things, a reliable source needs to be found and referenced in the article
 * I hope the editing that SunCreator and I have done recently helps you with improving the article even further. As noted above, the article may not meet the strict notability criteria that the encyclopaedia Wikipedia sets itself. Therefore, it may still get deleted. The more work you can do yourself to establish notability (guided by editors such as SunCreatorand I) the better. Please do not hesitate to ask me by posting a note on my talk page --Senra (Talk) 19:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for these notes. I will do what I can to change the article to fit in with the notability criteria. Unfortunately, this is my last day at the charity as I am an intern and no one else here will be able to edit the page in my absence. I will go through the list and try to add some things - it may not be in the proper Wikipedia language when I add it (the referencing and links to other pages and the wikicoding involved gives me a headache) so if you could help with that I would once again be very grateful. --Care4elderly (talk) 08:32, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi. I have seen some of your recent edits. You cannot add telephone numbers and please be aware, as stated previously, you must use other sources like media (TV, Newspapers), books or any third-party sources instead of your own organisations sources. These will be removed by others if not by me. The article is looking better but we must continue to keep it encyclopaedic instead of like an advert or press-release --Senra (Talk) 13:47, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Counsel and Care
Hello! Your submission of Counsel and Care at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 23:30, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I have clarified this --Senra (Talk) 00:07, 17 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Counsel and Care will appear on the |wikipedia main page under the Did you know...? section for 12 hours six hours at sometime in the future, possibly within the next 5 days or so. Well done --Senra (Talk) 08:55, 17 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for this! --Care4elderly (talk) 13:26, 17 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Your Counsel and Care article is currently in prep area 2 to be on the Main page in the near future. To check its progress, go to the Did you know queue. At some point, it will move from the prep area to one of the six queues. When you know which queue it is in, check the local update times to see what day and what time it will appear for six hours on the Main Page. I said 12 hours above; sorry, articles are only on the main page six hours. I did not mean to mislead you  --Senra (Talk) 15:26, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Counsel and Care
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 12:03, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of File:Counsel + care logo RGB.jpg


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Proposed deletion of Counsel and Care


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