User talk:Carinae986

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Again, welcome! Ramesh Ramaiah  talk  00:22, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks!Carinae986 (talk) 09:38, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Your source
Since neither source is verifiable via internet, I would like to see the quotes from both sources posted on the talk page of the Zengid article. Thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:51, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * And I'd like it if you'd visit your local library. Not much chance of either of us getting what we want, I suppose. Carinae986 (talk) 22:22, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Kansas Bear, I understand your concerns, given the apparent sensitivity of the subject (I know, I spent all day reverting similar things on the Saladin article), but this isn't really a big deal, of course the Zengids were Turkic. The source Carinae gave is one of any dozens of sources that could be given to support the same thing. And Carinae, I guess you're relatively new here, so please excuse us if we seem hyper-vigilant. Wikipedia can be frustratingly arcane sometimes, and with these subjects we get a lot of vandalism, and lots of people trying to make some sort of nationalistic point, so it helps to be as transparent as possible with sources. We're all on the same side here! Adam Bishop (talk) 22:45, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok that's fair. I'm still learning the site, so I was taken kind of by surprise to be challenged on something like this. I can see now that this was just a misunderstanding. Carinae986 (talk) 23:07, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Being challenged is a common result of editing at Wikipedia. I would hope that in the future, you don't continue to attack your collaborators. We are all volunteers. No need to go into attack mode. Buster Seven   Talk  15:55, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

AGF and civility
You appear to be a useful and constructive editor, and it's disappointing to see you personalising the debate on Zengid the way you have. Some of us have far too much experience with editors misusing sources to push a pov than we'd like, and because of this it isn't that unusual to ask for a short quote, especially if a Google search doesn't turn up anything that we find useful. I think this disagreement could have been been dealt with without an editor feeling he had to abandon an article if you'd handled it differently. I've certainly provided quotes myself when asked, by the way. Dougweller (talk) 16:50, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

In response to your feedback
Sorry you had a negative experience, but characterizing people as "lazy fucks" is just not acceptable behavior on this site. Please see Civility. Disagreements are normal when trying to build an encyclopedia together, and staying cool when the editing gets hot is an essential part of the process.

Eloquence* 06:51, 21 December 2011 (UTC)


 * We are all editors doing work in a mutual condition and arena. At the heart of WP:AGF is a commonality with your fellow editor.Buster Seven   Talk  16:16, 21 December 2011 (UTC)