User talk:Caring-writer

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Ben Heine
Please don't remove all contents from an article because you have concerns about part of it. There may be incorrect, one-sided, or outdated info in the article, but that doesn't mean that all of it has to go. Please indicate which sources are incorrect, which are unacceptable per WP:RS and WP:BLP, and add other sources which you believe meet those two policies and better reflect his career, opinions, .... Take care of our policies on undue weight and neutral point of view: if an artist receives a lot of criticism for some of his works or for his opinions, it is our duty to report that. However, this doesn't mean that the praise he may receive, or the evolution in his work, shouldn't be included as well.

In general, links to blogs, fora, ... should be avoided. There are of course exceptions to this rule, but they should be used sparingly. Generally accepted, non-partisan sources are the best ones to use: when more partisan sites are used, an explicit mention in the text ("According to site X or newspaper Y") may help to indicate that a statement is perhaps not a generally accepted or perfectly neutral description of something, but someone's opinion on that.

In general, before making such sweeping changes, it may be best to first use the talk page of the article to get more input from other users. Other avenues of Dispute resolution are also available if necessary. 09:44, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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Got it
I got your request. I'll be in touch, probably later today..3/18 Buster Seven   Talk  23:19, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Please help
Hello, I'm a Belgian citizen and I found you in the "Artist" discussion page, I would like to ask you some help concerning a wikipedia article about the artist ben heine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ben_Heine. Please let me know how I can do to improve this article or to have someone do it as I really find it difficult to edit stuff properly on Wikipedia, I can't do it myself unfortunately... (and each time I tried to improve it in a neutral way, someone removed what I added) --Caring-writer (talk) 22:30, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

I've been following Ben Heine's work for many years, may I mention that the current article is a text that appeared on Wikipedia in 2006 and that reflects what he did in that time only. He has totally changed and evolved. He has made many more things since then. He is a globally appreciated artist and he needs a better bio. There aren't so many criticisms about him. The article isn't fair, it REALLY NEEDS MANY UPDATES and contains strong mistakes defamation against the artist. Many well known national newspapers and magazines have talked about him and his work recently (see a non exhaustive list here below), none of them is even mentioned in the current article. He has stopped making political art since more than 2 years. Please just consider these publications, most of them are a few days/weeks old only... Daily Mail, The Telegraph, El Pais, Repubblica, De Standaard... These AREN'T blogs!!! These are national papers read by millions of people.

Please have a look to the following list of errors in the current article (which I detailed here below, and which I'll mention to several other admins/contributors if needed and if not taken into account).

List of important errors in the current article about Ben Heine:

1) Ben isn't a political artist anymore, it's true he used to make political art accusing Israel of "crimes against humanity", but he stopped making such illustrations in 2009 and wrote an "[[open letter to the Jewish Community]]" in December 2010 apologizing about his past behavior (saying it was the influences of his studies in Journalism. Parts of his final assignment talked about the "limits of freedom of expression in cartoons"). In this letter, he also firmly condemned the infamous Iranian Holocaust cartoon contest and said he was feeling deeply guilty about it. Here is the letter translated in English (Google translator). Ben doesn't deny the Holocaust, he visited Auschwitz Birkenau and feels sincerely sorry about the past suffering of the Jewish community.

2) Ben doesn't contribute to these websites anymore: DonQuichotte, MWC News, Rebelion, Tlaxcala, Irancartoon, Syriacartoon, Arabcartoon, Persiancartoon, Karikaturevi, Azercartoon, Dessin d'humour, National Caricaturist Network (Ben has explicitly asked these sites to remove all his illustrations from their platforms)

3) Ben doesn't collaborate with "La Libre Belgique" Anymore. Only 4 or 5 of his old cartoons have been published in this newspaper (in 2006 and 2007).

4) Pencil Vs Camera is not just a "little detail" in his biography, it is a creative and original series that has generated some huge reactions on the web and in the written press (see a non exhaustive list below). It is such an innovation that several TV channels around the world have also talked about it: Globo - Brazil, TV Brussel - Belgium, and many others). Same for "Digital Circlism"...

5) "Pere Ubu" (one of the main newspapers that clearly accused Heine in Belgium has removed the accusation from their site

6) Most of the links in the "notes" section (expecially the url's linking to images on Ben's blog) do not work...

7) Ben removed from his sites (blog, flickr, Deviantart and official site) all his cartoons accusing Israel or any Israeli person (Avigdor Lieberman...).

8) He didn't participate "recently" to the Kruger Workshop. This event happened in 2006!

So, I really hope you'll aknowledge that 90% of the article is based on inaccurate facts... I would like to see a real neutral article about that artist.

List of recent notable publications with Ben Heine works and biography:

WEB:

- DAILY MAIL (UK - February 2011) - EL PAIS (Spain - February 2011) - THE TELEGRAPH (UK - February 2011) - NEWSLITE (UK : February 2011) - BBC Brazil (Brazil - February 2011) - LA REPUBBLICA (Italy - February 2011) - TV BRUSSEL (Belgium - January 2011) - CNN Turk (Turkey - February 2011) - POP PHOTOGRAPHY: (USA - January 2011) - SHORT NEWS (Germany - February 2011) - ESTADAO (Brazil - January 2011) - HET NIEUWSBLAD (Belgium - February 2011) - DE STANDAARD (Belgium - February 2011) - OBVIOUS MAG (Spain - January 2011) - WEBOVINY (Slovakia - January 2011) - ARTE SPAIN (Spain - January 2011) - Accessible Art Fair (Belgium - 2010) - TrendsNow (France- February 2011) - CHINA DAILY (China - 2010) - DUSHI (China - january 2011) - ABDUZEEDO (Brazil - 2010) - Other publications in 2010

PRINT:

- Pop Photography (USA - January 2011) - Het Nieuwsblad - 1 (Belgium - 2011) - Het Nieuwsblad - 2 (Belgium - 2010) - Ca m'intéresse (France - 2010) - Daily Mirror (Great Britain - 2010) - Bookedi (South Korea - 2010) - Digital Artist 1 - 2 - 3 (China - 2010) - Belgian Embassy in London (February 2011) - Photoeidolo (Greece - 2011) - Šeimininkė (Lithuania - 2010) - View Mag (Germany - 2010) - Shambala Sun (Canada - 2010) - Imagine Demain le Monde (Belgium - 2009) - La Libre Belgique 1 2 (Belgium - 2009) - Moonwalk Through Art (The Netherlands - 2009) - Rolling Stone (USA - 2008) - 3e Millénaire (France - 2011)

My suggestions for a new neutral article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ben_Heine#Article_about_Ben_Heine_needs_many_updates_and_corrections_.28please_read.29 (it would be good to add some of the above references, feel free to add more)

Caring-writer (talk) 22:39, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, I saw your comments on my talk page before they were reverted, and some other editors are taking care of the article. I, and several other authors are watching the article now, so any changes you make, we will certainly comment on or improve, so Be Bold and make the changes on the page as best you can, and we will try to lead you along the way. Happy editing, and I look forward to following your edits, Sadads (talk) 21:03, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Stop!
Do not continue to post on user talk pages with your cut & paste message. It is considered very impolite to do so. Please read our guidelines on canvassing to see why. Thank you, ⋙–Berean–Hunter—►  ((⊕)) 23:31, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry to have caused trouble. Posting on other contributors' wall is the only way I found to get some help. I'm a newbie and didn't find any other alternative to get some attention. I hope you'll understand. Regards. Caring-writer (talk) 00:05, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi. If you need to get some help, you can place a helpme tag here on your talk page and explain what help you need - for example, you could place one above your comments about Ben Heine. That will add you to a special category of editors requesting help and will alert people who work in that area. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:01, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

At Least Slow down till you learn to walk
Before doing the major editing job that you think the article needs, you should spend some time learning your way around the place. First thing is signing your posts at the various talk pages that you have visited. It is very important. It tells each of us who did/said what. Also, the newest thread goes at the end not at the beginning. So, your unsigned edits were in the wrong place. One more thing> Edit Summaries are an essential tool. for you and other editors. they come in very hany when you want to find a certain edit that yoiu did two weeks ago. Not a critique, just to let you know. As User:Hunter says above, there is no reason to go around cutting and pasting like a wallpaperer. I'll create a page where you can work. SEE THE PAGEUser:Caring-writer/Ben Heine.. Then you can ask editors to take a look there in the future. Below is a Welcome that I use with the Wiki Guide Program. I suggest you spend some good amount of time learning what is required to be a Wikipedia Editor. It is worth the effort. I wont help you fish until you can bait your own hook.Buster Seven   Talk  00:21, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I just changed the response to Hunter. check out how I did it as a lesson. You will do fine. There is a template that should be placed at Hunters (just like the one that User:Hunter placed here) in case he is not watchlisting your page. But that is another lesson.Buster Seven   Talk  00:25, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Welcome

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Another Welcome, just in case
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 * While you are learning, take some time to make a User Page...Buster Seven   Talk  00:55, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
Hi. I started a thread about you at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, mostly hoping someone will revert some of your edits. --MZMcBride (talk) 08:56, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

 * Posted reply Bped1985 (talk) 17:46, 23 March 2011 (UTC)