User talk:Carl.bunderson

On the name of arrow's theorem
I was just wandering why you removed my discussion section in the Talk of Arrow's impossibility theorem. On the name "Impossibility Theorem": http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Arrow%27s_impossibility_theorem&oldid=489091807#On_the_name_.22impossibility_theorem.22

Could you please notify me on my talk page if you reply. Thanks. Drozdyuk (talk) 15:19, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Performance management
Hey Carl. I'm not sure why you deleted my updates to the performance management definition. I run a research firm on this topic and this is my profession - and you are a religious scholar. Why would you just "delete" things posted by subject matter experts? I'm not sure I get it. Thanks. jbersin —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbersin (talk • contribs) 17:23, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * WP does not allow self promotion, OR, or linking to blogs. The post I put on your talk page should explain why I've reverted some of your edits. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 17:47, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - July 2009
John Carter (talk) 23:09, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Afghanistan
Hi there. You reverted one of my edits on Afghanistan. I just wanted to make clear I did not change the denonyms. What I changed was the reference. The reference note is set out in a very convoluted way with two references within it. It would be easier to include it as a straightforward reference. The actual citations were slightly incorrect in that they purport to quote a dictionary when they are actually quoting a website which quotes a dictionary. Green Giant (talk) 16:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The only thing is that how the demonyms are handled was a very contentious issue a couple/few years ago. The status quo has been stable for some time, and that is the only reason I reverted you. If you still want it your, admittedly simpler/more straightforward, way, please revert me. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 04:28, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I have changed back, but it's not really a reversion. Green Giant (talk) 07:06, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I have reverted Green Giant's edit and explained it on his talk page. Cheers. Tajik (talk) 11:06, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Ethnic structure of Republic of Chile
The white people in Chile are 52% sources: http://convergencia.uaemex.mx/rev38/38pdf/LIZCANO.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by NewAntarticwik (talk • contribs) 03:19, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


 * You do need to make it clear when you edit articles that you are replacing out-dated content with up-to-date sourced content. It is difficult to see the value of an edit that changes sourced content without explicitly explaining the situation. Thank you for the note, though. Cheers, carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 20:05, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Open source hardware‎
Unlikely to be "self" promotion. Marty (Diehl Martin) died a couple of years back.

Sadly this does mean that those FreeIO redlinks were likely to stay that way forever, so it's a good wikiprune, but it is rather a shame that the FreeIO project seems to have ground to a halt since. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:19, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I just assume, when someone adds nothing but information relating to a single company. If any of the links were actually going to become blue I wouldn't mind keeping them. But a new editor adding nothing but links and a "reference" about that single company... I doubt it. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 18:26, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

August 2009 (http://spam.yahowto.com)
Sorry posting my ip:User_talk:99.228.199.20 address a spam ... I will not edit an article .. Thank you


 * Please see my response on your talk page. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 19:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

so how can i remove my ip of the site ... User_talk:99.228.199.20 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.199.20 (talk) 19:59, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * You can't. This is as far as this can go. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 20:49, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

GA Reassessment of Alcohol in the Bible
Hello, I see that you are taking on the clean up of this article in response to my GA Reassessment. I'm going to extend the hold as I see that great progress is being made. Please notify me when you are done so that I can finalize the review. Thank you for your work on this important subject and overall for your work on Christian-related articles. It is much-needed. H1nkles (talk) 15:23, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you, H1nkles. Honestly, I doubt it's going to make it to GA status. Pretty much all I've done is cut down on material; it probably needs things added. Sorry for the hold-up, I've just been really busy this week. I'll try and finish it in the next few days. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 16:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I am now done. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions)

Renaming SBC resurge/takeover article
The article currently titled "Southern Baptist Convention Conservative Resurgence/Fundamentalist Takeover" will soon change its name. An early straw poll narrowed the choices to six alternatives, listed at: Talk:Southern Baptist Convention Conservative Resurgence/Fundamentalist Takeover (once this thread is archived, see here.)

If you wish to rank the names suggested there, please do so soon. Please put other comments BELOW rather than interpersed among suggested names. Thanks. --AuthorityTam (talk) 18:28, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Happy all Saints and all Souls day!
Hello I just wanted to wish you an early Happy all Saints and all Souls day! May you have a blessed feast and God bless! - BennyK95 - Talk  17:02, October 25 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Benny, you too. I'll offer vespers tonight that you attain to sainthood. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 22:20, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Happy Holidays


 Ret.Prof (talk) 14:04, 17 December 2009 (UTC) is wishing you Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Xmas, Eid, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hannukah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

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Sarcophagus of Julian
Why did you delete it?

The Sarcophagus of the Roman Emperor Julian the Apostate(Istanbul Archaeological Museum):

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Istanbul_-_Museo_archeologico_-_Sarcofagi_imperiali_bizantini_-_Foto_G._Dall%27Orto_28-5-2006.jpg (on the left)

& http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Istanbul_-_Museo_archeologico_-_Sarcofagi_imperiali_bizantini_-_Foto_G._Dall%27Orto_28-5-2006_2.jpg (in the middle)

Turkish source: "Topkapı Sarayı ve Çevresinin Bizans Devri Arkeolojisi" (by Hülya Tezcan)


 * The Sarcophagus of Julian the Apostate: first in the Church of the Holy Apostles > Topkapı Palace (until 1847) > Hagia Eirene /Aya İrini Church (until 1916) > Istanbul Archaeological Museum now! (& there is no cross on it! because he was not a christian!)

But he was buried in the Church of the Holy Apostles in a porphyry sarcophagus. from: http://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/vasilief/julian-apostate.asp?pg=10

It is generally accepted that the Emperor Julian was reburied in the Church of the Holy Apostles at Constantinople at some unknown date after his initial burial outside Tarsus in Cilicia in 363. Böri (talk) 09:51, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * The point of the post is unclear. Talk pages should be used only to discuss improving the article. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 22:57, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Talk page question
Hola Señor, vi un mensaje suyo en mi buzon. Me podria por favor explicar a que se refiere? Gracias. Hello Sr, I received a message from you on my mailbox and I really don't understand what are you trying to say, or rather, why do you say that. First, who are you? Why did you write to me? What comment appear not to be constructive to you? I work at Columbia University, and I usually don't vandalize pages, rather, I try to contribute. Please let me know what I did wrong. Thank you. (I have no idea how to sign my posts, but I do what I can to contribute, however.) Gracias. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.93.16 (talk) 05:12, 28 March 2010 (UTC)


 * My comment was in reference to edits made on Mango and Manila galleon which were unsourced and did not improve the pages. The edits were made 25 March 2009; so over a year ago. Because the edits were so long ago, and you're on an IP address, they were probably made by another person than yourself. To avoid instances like this in the future, I would suggest getting an account here. I'll put a welcome message on your page that will tell you how to go about doing that. Tien un buen dia. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 16:08, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Number of the Beast
You sir are being disruptive to Wikipedia. You remove my post saying I violated the the Verifiability policy, which I have not.

"All self-published sources, whether experts or not, are considered reliable as sources on themselves, especially in articles about themselves, subject to certain criteria, though no article should be based primarily on such sources"

"Academic and peer-reviewed publications are usually the most reliable sources where available, such as in history, medicine, and science, but they are not the only reliable sources in such areas."

"The appropriateness of any source depends on the context. In general, the best sources have a professional structure in place for checking or analyzing facts, legal issues, evidence, and arguments; as a rule of thumb, the greater the degree of scrutiny given to these issues, the more reliable the source."

I provided a video of the original interpretation from Walid Shoebat, an independent professionally done peer-review video of showing a detailed comparison (which there was no way you watched, its about 20 minutes), and a third website showing peer-review made examples.

I did not mean to remove your first edit, I was still editing article and meant to preview and not save, I then save when I was done. You then immediately removed my updated material without even looking at the changes nor the updated references. You claim I violated the wiki policy? I have read the policies. The article is about an idea, someone's interpretation, not something based in science or history. Peer-reviews I provided back up that interpretation and do meet the wiki policy.

Did you see why the article was removed the first time? "I don't see Walid Shoebat as a reliable source for this subject - additionally the YouTube video is copyvio and the website is just a personal website with more copyvio & stuff about the pillars of fire & atom bombs"

How can he not be? The subject is his interpretation. How is the removal based on that not being subjective? The video and the websites do not contain any copyright violations, please see fair use. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ploxhoi (talk • contribs) 20:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Please see the comments other editors have have posted regarding your additions. You're standing alone against two experienced editors, one of whom is an admin. Which of us do you think better understands WP policy? carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 20:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Carl, this is Donal Donaldson from number of the beast, I tried deleting my own research, realizing my error, but you reverse deleted it, I'm just letting you know that I tried to fix my error.98.169.206.78 (talk) 06:05, 27 July 2010 (UTC)donal donaldson


 * Sorry for the mix up, have a nice day. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 19:10, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Genesis
Carl, I'm not sure why you deleted my posts to The Book of Genesis. The Jewish Publication Society (JPS), the oldest publisher of the Jewish Bible, has released a virtual edition of the Bible and I thought it would be appropriate to link back to that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rrstern25 (talk • contribs) 13:34, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * One external link in the EL section would be fine; but multiple links to the same base website in the body of the article is the problem. We try to avoid ELs in the article body. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 15:41, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Your latest revision is fine; using an EL as a reference is ideal. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 15:43, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

You are now a Reviewer
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M.I.A.
How's your suggestion coming along? :) Lifebonzza (talk) 08:22, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the the reminder, I will be getting around to it shortly. Please do nag me if I don't send you a link in the next few days. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 16:11, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Changes in Torah: authorship: Traditional attribution
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Torah#Subjective_treatment_of_Authorship I hope that you find the qualifications I made acceptable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zachariah62 (talk • contribs) 00:04, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I've reverted it. You may not change text that is sourced. It has to be based on what the source says. You especially may not alter quoted text. What is the point of quoting a source if you change the quotation? If you want to have more discussion supporting Mosaic authorship, by all means add text to the article based on reliable sources. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 00:10, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia vandalism
Please stop vandalism on Talk:War in Afghanistan (2001–present) —Preceding unsigned comment added by TrancerCZ (talk • contribs) 17:41, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Your comment on the page had no indication that you were suggesting an edit. You need to make your talk page comments unmistakeably about the article itself and not the topic of the article, so that other users will not mistake your comments for using the talk page as a forum. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 17:45, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit War
Please if you could explain, why was this reverted as vandalism?--Jojhutton (talk) 21:17, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Because the text is clearly a quotation from the Encyclopedia Judaica. You can't alter quoted text. Am I the only person who understands that? carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 23:12, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The phrase "However, Deuteronomy 31:9 ("And Moses wrote this (Torah) law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi...") contains an anachronism.", is directly quoted from the Torah? Where?--Jojhutton (talk) 23:30, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I said, it's a quotation from the Encyclopedia Judaica. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 23:36, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Why don't you take the time to read the paragraph? Everything from "The traditional doctrine" to "the narrative material" is a quote from: Sarna, Nahum M. et al. "Bible." Encyclopaedia Judaica. Ed. Michael Berenbaum and Fred Skolnik. Vol. 3. 2nd ed. Detroit: Macmillan Reference USA, 2007. p576-679. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 23:39, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Do not alter my warnings on a third user's talk page. I informed him above on his page that he was altering a quote, and that he may not. That was his friendly, non-automated warning. He persisted in the edit following my explanation, which exhausted my assumption of good faith. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 23:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as the altering goes, I did not alter your message, I only closed the section. Anyone who wishes to see it, still can. As far as the quotation goes, I have no way of verifying the quote, but I now see the "quotation marks" around the entire quote. Quotations that large should really be blocked and separate, so as to be not confusing to the reader, as this has apparently been. So I was wrong about the inline citation, but please try and be more kind to newbies, and do not remove talk page comments as you did here. --Jojhutton (talk) 00:00, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I am nice to the newbies...I put a welcome template on Zachariah's page when he was an anon, and gave him a number of edits before giving him a vandalism warning. And it is hardly my fault that the user on War in Afghanistan couldn't articulate his comment in a way that made it clear he was aiming to improve the article and not just talk bout the War in Afghanistan. Perhaps you should have spent more time reading the article and looking at the recent edit history before assuming I was in the wrong at Torah. I don't plan to accept any advice from you, given that you can't be bothered to thoroughly look at a quotation. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 00:06, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

'Jesus islamic view'
Regarding change on Title of article 'Jesus islamic view' ,there is lot discussion on talk page under section 'Islamic view of jesus' ,Added my point of view,may pl. see and comment.--Md iet (talk) 07:23, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

deleted link to a video
Dear Carl, Thanks for looking at the link I inserted on the Passage Meditation page. You suggested that I put forward reasons for including the link on the article's Talk page... but before I do that, I wonder if you might be able to give me some help? There is already a lively discussion on that page about this deleted link, and what is confusing me is that Wikipedia has so many rules that for every rule that says you CANNOT do something there is another rule that says that you CAN do it. Easwaran's first words on the video are "What you do through the practice of meditation is train your attention". Since he's talking about the method of meditation described in the article, it seemed to me a highly relevant link which would add understanding to a non-trivial topic. I appreciate that wikipedia articles can't be a collection of all the links there are for a topic, but surely one link which throws quite a bit of light on the topic is justified? Would you be able to give me some indication of what I might do to make this link an acceptable addition to wikipedia? Thanks, DuncanCraig1949 (talk) 17:01, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Dear Carl, I have now added a suggestion to the Passage Meditation Talk Page DuncanCraig1949 (talk) 14:20, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know about the thread, Duncan. I've replied. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 16:29, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Selection
Hi, I saw Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Christianity and the articles seem randomly selected - at t best. It would be nice if you could give some ideas about the list. I am not sure if I managed to look at them all, but it really needs help. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 23:25, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you want an assessment of the list? I'll look it over as soon as I have a block of time to devote to it. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 16:47, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, if you could do that it would be nice. To me it was really non-representative of Christianity, e.g. items such as Trinity, Crucifixion, etc. were falling behind biographies of specific people and the list of Archbishops of Canterbury! So your ideas will be appreciated, so my view will not be the only one out there. That CD will go to lots of people I think. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 22:56, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Gregorian calendar WDL link
Hello - a little background on our link - a permanent HDL URL the actual item is of Spanish origin, so if you were to see the Spanish title (followed by the English title in our link), we list our items in the native language of creation - an academic research tradition.

If you were using a browser that was spanish based, then you would have been automatically routed to the spanish WDL item page. If you were using an English browser, then following the link will land you in the English page of an item that is spanish in language and origin, but is described and translated in English.

Please let me know if you have further questions. Efmcleanckm (talk) 16:20, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


 * As far as I can tell an English translation is not provided at the URL. The document itself is only available in Spanish, with a four-sentence paragraph describing it in English. Four sentences that are already covered by the article don't warrant this link's inclusion in the ELs. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 16:52, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Del
May i ask why you made this revert here ? For your info there were 37 citations from reliable sources. All verifiable. Someone65 (talk) 02:20, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


 * It was already addressed in the talk page. 37 citations for one piece of information screams POV-pushing. Bahai is already included in the article as an Abrahamic religion, so there's no need to push the issue. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 02:52, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey i saw you archive a talk page earlier. Could you archive my entire talk page for me please? I'm not sure how to do it. I would appreciate that a lot. Thanks. Someone65 (talk) 07:00, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 07:27, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

What is the definition of "Vandalism"?
Mr. Bunderson,

Although I realize that you yourself believe you are doing a admirable service in "bird dogging" the Wikipedia site and monitoring any suspicious or malicious behavior that might be associated with the policies and guidelines of this fine online encyclopedia, I simply do not. My reasoning being that you are taking it upon yourself to purposely "undo" my edits (which happen to be truthful and accurate) just because you've failed to properly investigate them for yourself. Is it laziness on your part, or are you just inundated with so much free time that you have nothing better to do? Wouldn't your recent undo-ing of my edits constitute some sort of vandalism in a way? After all, you're making an assumption on my credibility without being accountable for your own. A bit of a double standard - wouldn't you say?

My credits, birthdate, place of birth, who I've worked with, etc., etc., are ALL Correct and since this article was written ABOUT ME, then I can certainly verify the accuracy of the information. If you have a problem with ANYTHING written about me, then I suggest before you automatically dismiss, undo, or post any comments regarding me and my life, then you should do your homework first. Go to the "end crawl" of one of the films or TV Shows that I have done and verify for yourself that my name is indeed a part of the cast list. And before you stand in judgement on whether I deserve to be noted on Wikipedia, try and remember the good Christian saying..."Judge not, and ye shall not be judged".

The profession I've chosen is a hard and oftentimes tumultuous one at best, and unless you've been in the trenches so to speak, you have no clue what it takes to even get an audition, let alone be cast in a film or television show. If you think it's easy...you try it! Now leave me and my article alone.

Sincerely, Craig Vincent —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.180.248.167 (talk) 08:57, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Although you may be the subject of the article (we do get hoaxers, so I can't say for certain), and as someone with relatives in the profession I understand what you are saying, you are not a reliable source for our articles. This may seem odd, but if you read WP:VERIFY and WP:RS I hope you will undersand this. You should also read WP:NPA and WP:AGF.


 * CARL - you and the IP must both stop editing at the article today. Please, as I suspect any other Administrator would block you both. Dougweller (talk) 10:01, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the clemency. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 17:32, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd hate to see anyone get blocked over this, it shouldn't be necessary. If there are problems tonight or tomorrow I'm sure they can be sorted as others are now watching the article (I brought it up on ANI and of course as you know it's at AfD). So please don't put yourself in harm's way. Dougweller (talk) 19:09, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks you for that
Thanks for that. I appreciate it Someone65 (talk) 15:18, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem. I can do it again in the future as needed, or the archive box on your talk page should link to instructions. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 17:28, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Problems with upload of File:Bede 121.jpg
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Thanks
for fixing it up - I actually make far too many typos than I care to, and often miss most of them! Happy New Year, Slrubenstein  |  Talk 20:50, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Comment on discussion page of Pvsalsedo concerning Tutankhamun Talk section
"Welcome to Wikipedia! I am glad to see you are interested in discussing a topic. However, as a general rule, talk pages are for discussion related to improving the article, not general discussion about the topic. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. Thank you. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 19:54, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pvsalsedo"

Thank you for the reminder. However, my contribution to the Tutankhamun talk page is not general discussion and is specifically related to improving the article. The article is deficient in terms of explaining the facts behind the DNA research conducted by Zahi Hawass and published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA). The article misrepresents that research by failing to disclose the fact that the research cannot conclude that the KV55 mummy is that of Akhenaten (and, hence the father of Tutankhamun) without discounting Hawass' claim that Ankhesenamun is NOT the mother of the fetuses buried with Tutankhamun. The Wikipedia article speculates that the KV21A mummy is Ankhesenamun but fails to point out that doing so undermines the DNA research that concludes that KV55 is Akhenaten. That KV55 is the father of Tutankhamun is not in question. What is in question is the unequivocal conclusion by the JAMA article that the identity of KV55 as Akhenaten is indisputable, unproblematic and without other possibilities. If Wikipedia doesn't want to take into account the evidence for KV55 as Smenkhare (which is referenced thru the source document) then it should not speculate on the identity of the KV21A mummy being Ankhesenamun, either, without pointing out how that undermines the research which concludes KV55 as Akhenaten; and, therefore the father of Tutankhamun.

In addition, the article is deficient in terms of explaining what team is at work (i.e. JAMA or National Geographic) in concluding that KV55 is "99.99" percent certain of being Akhenaten. If National Geographic is quoting JAMA, they are wrong because that's not what JAMA claims and National Geographic did not perform any DNA tests apart from the Hawass study. If the Hawass research is the source, then it fails to point out that Hawass NEVER takes into account the effects of incest on the consanguinity of the DNA, which poses other alternatives to the identity of KV55 since it can also be demonstrated (thru the source document) how the KV35YL mummy is his aunt, Meritaten, and NOT Tut's sister.

More importantly, the Wikipedia article obscures the facts by speculating, on the one hand, that KV21A is Ankhesenamun and then concluding that KV35YL is "Tut's sister". Either KV21A or KV35YL is Ankhesenamun but not both! If KV35YL is an unidentified sister, then the article should state that this contradicts the historical and archeological evidence which indicates no other wife or consort to Tutankhamun other than Ankhesenamun. But all of this is only problematic in concluding that KV55 is Akhenaten and not Smenkhare. If it's the latter, all of these apparent contradictions fail to occur and my talk section explains how.

I would suggest you re-read the talk section I produced before pronouncing judgement on it but also check out the source document that I have referenced. This is a web page by Kate Phizackerly which more fully explains, in genetic detail, the Hawass research and demonstrates beyond a reasonable doubt, the flaws and the viable alternatives of that research. I think after you examine that web-page, you may come to a better understanding and make a more productive contribution as to how to improve the article instead of suggesting, out of hand, that my talk section constitutes "general" discussion. That, I'm afraid, is not making any kind of a positive contribution, whatsoever. Pvsalsedo (talk) 06:11, 7 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but the way you wrote your comment gave no indication that you wanted to fix the article. It read like a long rant about why someone's view on Tutankhamun is wrong. Please just be mindful to make your talk page post's unmistakeably related to improving the article. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 08:05, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

James Alger Fee
Hi, Can you please understand that it is not an unconstructive edit I'm just trying to help Wikipedia. Can we please Discuss this.

Thanks, pbl1998--Pbl1998 (talk) 21:12, 7 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I've explained on your talk page. Please do not edit Fee's page again until you have new information to add to it. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 21:14, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Do me favor
Could u archive my page for me again please? Someone65 (talk) 21:59, 30 January 2011 (UTC)


 * How much of it do you want archived? It's all fairly recent, and the page isn't too terribly big yet. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 02:07, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Mujahid Kamran
Hi Carl, Can you stop editing the wikipedia for Prof Dr Mujahid Kamran http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahid_Kamran Whatever you revert it back to is wrong, misleading and untrue. Just leave it the way it is now and do not bother editing it any more. You are wasting yours and others time for no good reason. Thanks for understanding. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.141.35.184 (talk) 10:38, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * How is it acceptable to replace sourced content with unsourced? carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 23:01, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Did you not understand what was written above? If you care so much about references and you bother checking things on internet look here http://www.pu.edu.pk/faculty/descriptions.asp?faculty=1000001

If you tried again editing the page, we will start litigation against you, you understand. Read the above mentioned link carefully and read his CV. Get a life and get something better to do rather than putting false information about others on wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manobe13 (talk • contribs) 08:16, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

I have been observing what has been put in my biography by your goodself. My CV is given at www.pu.edu.pk where I am currently employed as VC. I have already written in detail to the editors about the false information put in there. If you wish I can send you a copy of that email. Manobe13 has put up a biography which has no errors whereas the other two so called biographies are full of false and baseless stuff. If you have any questions and queries that might help clarify things for you do let me know. My email is kamran_m51@yahoo.com and my name is Mujahid Kamran.


 * Dr Kamran, I appreciate your desire for an accurate article about yourself on Wikipedia. That having been said, Manobe13 is not trying to achieve a laudable end by good means. Wikipedia is based on verifiability and being tied to reliable sources. Going from an lenghty article with 16 references, to a shorter article with 0 references, does not further the aims of Wikipedia. If there are specific things that are wrong in the article, Manobe13 should feel free to demonstrate, using reliable sources, why those things are not correct. Manobe13's characteristic as a single-purpose account does not speak well of his dedication to improving Wikipedia. His actions here suggest a certain point-of-view pushing on your behalf. Were he interested in improving Wikipedia, he would constructively engage on the article's talk page about particular details, and would be interested in more than just making you look good, Doctor Kamran. Please instruct him to desist from his current mode of action at the article. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 15:16, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Mujahid Kamran: References in the wikipedia article have been added. Kindly do not edit any more. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.52.154.118 (talk) 11:49, 22 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I have replied on the article's talk page. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 13:31, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Mujahid Kamran & identity
Hi,

As you're far more experienced with the policies and way of doing things on Wikipedia than myself, might I ask if you consider asking an Administrator to check the two I.P. addresses so interested in this page against the ones used by Manobe13 to be prudent? I'm not seeking drama but the article has the clear attention of one or more people. Do you see any issues with me asking for it to be protected / semi-protected? I'm asking as I have already been reverted, and would like to stay clear of 3RV. I shall make one more revert now as I await your reply, then leave it in the hands of others (preferably an Administrator who can help stop the conflict).

Thanks for your time, A F K When Needed 15:50, 26 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll look into asking an admin about the IPs, and yes, I think it would be good to ask for (full) protection of the page. Thanks for helping me keep it from going down in quality. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 16:42, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for volunteering! I shall request protection within the hour, and no problem, I'll always happy to help :)
 * Regards, A F K When Needed 17:37, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Just so you're aware, the page was fully protected for three days. A F K When Needed 22:43, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

"you have worng"
We've got into a bit of an edit war about Talk:Book of Malachi. I've had a look at WP:TALK and it seems to be fairly finely balanced as to whether deletion is justified here. My reasons for retention are
 * the paragraph is short, harmless, and in my view rather amusing
 * it does draw attention to a serious issue, in that while the article has a substantial section on the Christian view, there is nothing at all on the Jewish analysis which must exist
 * I've recently seen another, unrelated, case where one of the article's owners deleted a talk page comment simply because it attacked the whole approach taken by the article. I think the establishment of the right precedents is important. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 10:55, 2 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I firmly think the tone and manner of writing in the post demonstrated it was meant petulantly, and not trying to improve the article. I think that justifies removing it. I won't press the issue, though. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 23:49, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * OK. Thanks. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 08:39, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Gospel of Matthew
I was just trying to clarify a sentence that seemed brutally awkward and slightly misleading, why did you revert the changes? I didn't mean to step on any toes. Jlrigamonti (talk) 12:37, 22 July 2011 (UTC)


 * You didn't step on any toes, don't worry. I reverted you because in the sentence attributed to Burkett, you added phrases ("most likely", "theoretical") which aren't really supported by Burkett's work. Burkett asserts that the author did use those three sources, not that he most likely did. And he doesn't call Q "theoretical"; he says it could have been one document or a few, but asserts it as real, not possible.
 * The other edit at the beginning of the sentence was fine, and not really worthy of reversion of itself.
 * So this is all based on WP policies of verifiability: we try to stick to what our reliable sources tell us, and if something is attributed to a particular source, we can't say something the source doesn't say.
 * I do hope this explains the process to your satisfaction, and let me know if I can be of any help. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 13:58, 22 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm just a guilty by-stander here, but it might be helpful to have a phrase such as "According to Burkett" at the beginning of the section; a lay reader might indeed not be aware that Q is hypothetical, especially citing it along with Mark, which is not. The cite is not in quotation marks; so I don't what latitude an editor has in such cases. A Georgian (talk) 14:29, 22 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Indeed, 'according to Burkett' is a good idea. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 14:36, 22 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for clearing both issues up! I didn't realize I was editing a cited statement. Jlrigamonti (talk) 01:20, 23 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I hope this was a positive experience for you. It all takes getting used to. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 05:10, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

38.121.23.173 etc.
Hi, FIY: 38.121.23.173 may well be the same as User talk:Lloydbaltazar. Mostly unsourced edits, on Immaculate Conception and Our Lady of Perpetual Help - even used to have his own images. Usually just needs a revert. A complaint somewhere may also be in order id he continues. I am fed up with him. History2007 (talk) 21:07, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I would be the farm that they're the same user. I'll post stronger warnings if I encounter him again with unsourced edits. Thanks for the heads up. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 05:41, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

reply
I invite you to this discussion Pass a Method  talk  02:17, 5 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry I missed out on this, I was on holiday. If I can be of any help at this point, do let me know. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 15:41, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Ramesses II
In the past you've been involved in discussions at Talk:Ramesses II about moving the page. A formal move request has been opened for the page here. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:02, 17 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I've been away, but should be more available now, so if it comes up again please do bring it to my attention. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 15:44, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Christmas
History2007 (talk) 20:31, 17 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I responded on the walk on water page. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 03:54, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Sacred Tradition
Carl, I posted a question on the discussion page of the Sacred Tradition article regarding your deletion of the Literture section. Please respond on the discussion page of the article. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ranp (talk • contribs) 22:44, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Certificate of Annuity
Once a PROD tag has been removed, even if no reason given, it may not be replaced - see WP:PROD. You will have to take this to AfD. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 09:57, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Ichthus: January 2012
 In this issue...

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 * From the Editor
 * What are You doing For Lent?
 * Fun and Exciting Contest Launched
 * Spotlight on WikiProject Catholicism

Misleading edit summary in your undoing my contribution to Rachel's talk page
I do not see why asking if scholarly consensus supports the existence of Rachel as a person is forum. I think that the existence or not of the subject of an article is something that should be dealt with within the article. If this is something you disagree with, I would be grateful if you would contribute to the talk page, rather than remove threads from.93.96.148.42 (talk) 23:51, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Your comment gave no indication that you were not merely asking out of curiousity's sake, and wanted a yes or no answer on the talk page. Perhaps if you expressed yourself better, your comments would not be deleted. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 00:46, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Ichthus: May 2012


From the Editor
This month marks the observation of Pentecost, one of the most important feast of the Christian liturgical year. It is our hope here that all of you, regardless of your religious affiliation (if any), find that the holiday, and its accompanying activities, an enjoyable and beneficial experience. We also hope that this "Birthday of the Church" is one which gives you the same joy as the birthday of yourself or your loved ones.

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As many of you may know, our unofficial mascot, dear Wikipe-tan, hasn't yet indicated any particular beliefs. However, yes, as we all know, ahem, some people might object to our beloved mascot running around in a French maid outfit. People do talk, you know. ;) If anyone might be able to develop an image of the dear lady in a image more, well, "Christian," I would like to see perhaps a vote for next month as to which, if any, image of the dear girl we might make our own unofficial mascot. Please post your images here.

By John Carter

Christianity in other wikis
As many of you might now, there are a large number of other Wikimedia Foundation projects, including WikiSource, Wiktionary, Wikibooks, WikiQuote, and others. I certainly believe that Wikibooks and Wikiquote might be among the more directly relevant sister projects. If any of you can think of any particular efforts in these other projects which you think would benefit from more input, please let us know here, so we can help spread the word around.

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Spotlight on the Outreach department
Ichthus will spotlight a different subproject or workgroup of WikiProject Christianity. This edition will spotlight on our vital Outreach department. This comparatively small, but vital, project unit is dedicated to welcoming new editors to Wikipedia and the Christianity related content, and to providing information to the various project members, in forms like this newsletter.

The scope of articles with which this group deals is truly enormous, and, given the wide variety of material with which we deal, we would very much welcome the input of more individuals, particularly individuals who are particularly knowledgeable of the less well-known and less frequently monitored articles related to Christianity.

Speaking personally, I would be very, very gratified if we were to have this become a very, very large and active unit, with members from the broad spectrum of Christian beliefs, practices, and groups. The broader the spectrum and areas of expertise of members we have, the better we will be able to help manage the content. Please consider whether you believe you might be able to contribute in this vital area.

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That reminds me...
Hi, I saw one of your edits and realized I had not seen one for a while. We have had a few good editors formally retire, so I hope you will be staying around. We need you. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 18:19, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Well thank you. I've just been busy with school, so I should pick up a bit over the summer. Thanks for your encouragement, hope all is well. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 18:21, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you. We had a few Wiki-thunderstorms (I think you saw one of them), but it is getting clear now, and things are gradually improving. Although several articles still need major work, many others (say Last Supper, etc.) have been cleaned up now and are stable. So things are progressing, but we need to be sure that content remains high quality. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 19:20, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Amen. It is very good to have someone who is to some degree familiar with the subject of Christianity around, and a seminarian certainly qualifies. I have recently unilaterally hugely expanded the number of articles in Category:Top-importance Christianity articles, based in large part upon those subjects being included in the Lindsay Jones Encyclopedia of Religion, because acting unilaterally without consulting anyone is kinda a habit of mine around here. ;) I know a lot of them aren't necessarily obviously important, but at least anyone interested in working on any such content, like perhaps yourself, will now have a bit more of an idea of which articles need some attention, and at least one good source for them. I know from previous experience (Ebionites comes to mind) that there are a lot of POV pushers regarding religion, but if you think I could be of assistance in any articles with which you deal, drop me a note and I'll at least see if there is anything I can do. John Carter (talk) 19:38, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you both, and if there's anything in particular you want me to help with, do drop me a line. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 23:28, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I think the main things are to make suggestions about direction, and to be there when the next storm arrives... We are making good progress in that project, although I was really sorry that Carlaude retired at short notice. All his pages are not being watched now. Now, on the progress front, maybe you and John want to join WikiProject_Christian_history, given that membership is free for the rest of this month... And I remember that you know more about the crusades than myself, so your comments on the template there will be appreciated. And then maybe you can talk John into making that a sub-project... Sorry, John, I had to nudge you somehow... History2007 (talk) 21:39, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I sowwy. I skwewed up. I actually did update the Christianity banner a few days ago with the inclusion of all the new variations - I just forgot to tell anyone. The one question which really comes to mind about "Christian history" is the definition of the term. Pretty much every biography of a Christian could be included in its scope, and that could be problematic. I'm assuming that there probably is some sort of reference book on Christian history, or at least on early Christianity and the Reformation era (actually, I think I know about ones on those fields) but otherwise I think it might be a good idea to establish some sort of basic reference source so that we don't maybe overextend the scope of the subproject. Maybe articles specifically relating to history (like History of Christianity and such), articles covering specific periods of history, and the major related articles to those periods? John Carter (talk) 21:50, 22 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I think you are right. It should be called History of Christianity. No question on that one. Please just fix it as such so we can do it before we are all history.... History2007 (talk) 22:05, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No, no objections to the name - there's a similar group on Islamic history by the same name. But I did update the banner already, like I said, on the 20th.
 * Oh, yeah, Carl, one thing that might be of interest to you. This page lists the various articles assessed as Top-importance to Christianity by their "scores", however they are determined, although I do think it somehow includes the number of internal links in the calculation. I have no idea why Joan of Arc comes in 2nd, but she does. Anyway, if you think you could add some links to articles to bring them to what might be a more sensible level, or if it might help you decide which articles you want to work on, that'd be great. John Carter (talk) 22:25, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I am sorry I am not sure if I follow what is happening now. Is that going to remain a project or a workgroup? And where is the banner? Thanks. History2007 (talk) 22:31, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I follow either. The Christianity banner at Template:WikiProject Christianity has been updated to include the Christian history project. Groups can be named whatever they want to, WikiProject, task force, work group, bete noire, whatever. (OK, I don't think I've actually seen that last one yet. ;) ) To my eyes, it would probably work best as a group within WikiProject Christianity, using the same banner. Does that answer? John Carter (talk) 22:53, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

The answer is: select one and let us run with it. I prefer task force. How is that? After that we just need to finish the 2 templates. History2007 (talk) 00:07, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Excuse me, what the hell are you doing?
Why did you revert the Christianity page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyler.Douche (talk • contribs) 03:29, 24 May 2012 (UTC)


 * You changed quoted text, so you needed to be reverted.

Dostoyevsky translations
hello,

I usually read in German language only, sometimes in Russian, also rarely in English, but I recommend you to read the Pevear/Volokonsky translation. I think, however, that their prose is sometimes awkward and clumsy. The most easiest translation would be imho McDuff's. Dostoyevsky usually uses complex grammar and syntax, especially in TBK, so if you need a more Dostoyevskian translation then it would be Pevear/Volokonsky. I am not familiar with the Garnett translation, but it did not receive very positive reception. Regards.-- GoP T C N 08:32, 26 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your guidance. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 17:09, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Ideas?
Hi, what do you think about Talk:Eucharist ? Thanks. History2007 (talk) 07:26, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Request for review of phrasing
I have a real, unfortunate tendency to use woefully inexact phrasing. Please review the "I believe" section of WikiProject Christianity/Outreach/June 2012 and let me know if any of it is, like I think it could be, woefully off base. Thanks. John Carter (talk) 18:48, 3 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The distinction between scripture and tradition and their role as two separate bases for faith could be more nuanced, but I wouldn't say it is woefully off base. Later tonight or tomorrow I'll draw something up for you just to explain it better. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 00:26, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Whenever you're ready, but sooner would be better than later. John Carter (talk) 21:26, 7 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, its probably fine just the way it is, I would be splitting hairs. Sorry for having inconvenienced you. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 16:31, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Ext link
What was wrong with the addition of this ext link? -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 02:58, 7 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I thought that it was too specific for the generic Middle East article, but looking at it, there doesn't seem to be one on environmentalism in the region. So if you want to restore it, I'd understand. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 03:13, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Water cycle
Hi, Carl.bunderson. In case you wonder why I reverted your edit on Water cycle, it's because you only reverted the work of the second vandal. The previous guy had also vandalized the page! The easiest response was to revert to VSmith's version. RockMagnetist (talk) 04:33, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ditto for Egyptians. RockMagnetist (talk) 04:37, 8 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Wow, I looked into it and had to go even farther back. Teaches you to look deep for vandalism. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 05:00, 8 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Egyptians looks like a good candidate for auto-protection. RockMagnetist (talk) 05:09, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

"CARL BUNDERSON" WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS VANDALISM
I asked on the Talk page of the bio of deceased Fleetwood Mac musician Bob Brunning, if anybody knew what he died from. You deleted it and said "this is not a forum". It goes without saying that if somebody knows the answer, to put it in the bio. Idiot. I have reversed your vandalism edit. P.S.--By the way, I have looked at your edits, and I see that you are one of these people who spend a good chunk of their lives as a serial vandalist on Wikipedia, reversing edits because of your personal whims (like you did mine). Your actions are not appreciated here at Wikipedia. Go get a life someplace else. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.235.121 (talk) 11:58, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Ichthus: June 2012


Membership report
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From the Editor
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Church of the month
by Berthold Werner Saint Catherine's Monastery, Mount Sinai

Vote for the project mascot
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DYK

 * ...that Anna of Kashin, a Russian medieval princess, was twice canonized as a holy protectress of women who suffer the loss of relatives?

Calendar
Thie coming month includes days dedicated to the honor of Beheading of John the Baptist, Saints Peter and Paul, the Nativity of John the Baptist, and Saint Barnabas.

Featured content and GA report
Alec Douglas-Home recently achieved FA status. This picture, in the Church of the Month section, was recently promoted to Featured Picture status. Our thanks and congratulations to all those involved.

Wikimedia Foundation report
Wikisource currently has many old texts available, most of them in the public domain. This is a potentially very valuable source for several things, including for instance links to Biblical verses, because we know that it will, basically, be around as long as we are.

By user:John Carter with inspiration from History2007

Christian art
This section would include a rather large image of a specific work of art, with a link to the most directly relevant article. Suggestion: Resurrection of Christ, an English 15th century Nottingham alabaster. Groups of painted relief panels were sold via dealers to churches on a budget, who had wood frameworks made to hold them locally. From a huge new donation of images from the Walters Art Museum to Commons, see By Johnbod

Spotlight
A new WikiProject relating directly to Christian history is being developed at WikiProject Christian history. Also, a group specifically devoted to the Mennonites and other Anabaptists is now up and running at WikiProject Christianity/Anabaptist work group. Anyone interested in assisting with the development of these groups and topics is more than welcome to do so.

By John Carter

I believe
... in the statements contained in the Nicene Creed. I believe that the Bible is one of the two defining bases for belief. The other is the Sacred tradition, which provides us with means of interpreting the Scriptures, as well as some teachings which have been handed on by God outside of the scriptures. I believe that the Magisterium has been empowered to fill this interpretative function. I believe that clerical celibacy is a rule that should generally be followed. I am a member of the Catholic Church.

By John Carter

Help requests
Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

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Pages
Hi, As of June 2012 I will be semi-retiring from Wikipedia. I will still watch a few pages every day or two, but not watch many pages every day as before.

Could I ask you to occasionally watch a few more pages that have good referenced content and should really be saved from vandalism, fringe views, sudden mergers, etc.? I think you already watch a few of these, but here is a list in any case:


 * Mary (mother of Jesus), Roman Catholic Mariology, and Marian devotions All three pages are quite stable and fully referenced. The first item has a few rough and less than sourced items, I may fix those within the next 3 months. No other problems exist.


 * Divine Mercy, Divine Mercy image and Mary Faustina Kowalska: All three pages were carefully rewritten a year ago and are fully sourced now. Highly stable and hardly any vandalism. It is a question of looking for merge flags, etc.


 * Holy Face of Jesus and the Shroud of Turin. The first page is totally stable and also non-controversial. The Shroud page has been extremely stable given its controversial nature. There is user:thucyd who knows much more about it, but logs in every week or two, and he has provided many solid references. Every possible angle on that object is covered in the article, but there is a user Vincenzo Ruello (he also writes on UFO items) who logs in as multiple IPs (they often get blocked) and adds promotional items. He sometimes pretends to be his own best friend, etc. So that page does need attention. But every possible aspect has been discussed in the archives, so it is just a question of pointing to those really.


 * Jesus related pages. These are as follows:


 * Jesus has been stable for a year and is fully referenced. I even took out referenced based on suggestions, but it is stable "because it has so many references". The last big debate was about calling Jesus Palestinian or Jewish, etc. But that is over now once it was pointed out that it was a political issue more than anything else. The magnet for debate there is the regularly scheduled talk page comment that Jesus did not really exist. That has been discussed on talk many, many times and it usually ends with the demand: "per WP:RS/AC, please provide a WP:RS source that says 'most historians hold that Jesus did not exist' instead of arguing about it here". The debate always stops after that.


 * Crucifixion of Jesus: Again, pretty stable. And as above, the recurring talk page comment is that he was not crucified. And again there are clear WP:RS sources that say that 'most historians hold that Baptism and Crucifixion are beyond doubt'. And there are no WP:RS sources that say that most scholars hold the opposite. But the key issue here is not to mix these two events with other biblical episodes, for there are many historians who argue Marriage at Cana was not historical, etc. So the only two certain events that are subject to agreement are those two.


 * Christ, the Ministry of Jesus and Chronology of Jesus. All three pages are highly stable and fully sourced. They just need to be watched.


 * Josephus on Jesus and Tacitus on Christ as well as Annals (Tacitus). These are three historically important pages. All three are fully referenced but frequently get large scale vandalism. They do need watching. Josephus on Jesus was the subject of a really long discussion and every possible aspect of it i snow covered in the talk page archives. It has been researched in great detail and as questions come up the talk page archives almost always handle that.


 * Religious perspectives on Jesus, Jesus in Christianity, Sayings of Jesus on the cross, Imitation of Christ and Love of Christ: Again, very stable pages and it is just a question of looking out for merge flags, etc. There is also Nativity of Jesus Virgin birth of Jesus and Perpetual virginity of Mary.


 * Saints: Saint George is in reasonable shape, but a vandalism magnet and just needs reverts. Saint Michael's structure is in good shape, I cleaned it up a few months ago. Since then some less than properly sourced items have been added but the current form is "good enough" unless more far-out fringe material shows up.

Your help in watching these as your time allows will be greatly appreciated. And thank you for all the good interactions we have had in the past few years. History2007 (talk) 14:40, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


 * It hurts to see you go, but I understand, I'm a bit burnt out myself. I added w/e wasn't on my watchlist, so I'll do what I can to help with them. Thank you for your respect and collaboration, you've been one of the fairest and most even-headed persons I know here. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 20:43, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. It was not burn out that made me step back, it was this episode. But I will still watch 50 or so pages that I think add value, but not 1,500 pages like before. And most of the key articles that I wanted to have fixed are in pretty good shape now after 5 years of typing, and it is just a question of not letting them degrade. And again, Thank you and my best wishes for the path you are on. You will do well. I am sure. History2007 (talk) 12:59, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Ichthus: July 2012
 Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 336 active members. We would like to welcome User:Emilymadcat, User:Toa Nidhiki05, User:DonutGuy, and User:RCNesland, Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

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Vote for the project mascot We had last month asked our members to help "bring into the fold" Wikipe-tan as the project's mascot. Voting will take place this month for which image we should adopt at WikiProject Christianity/Outreach/Wikipe-tan. Please take a moment to review the images and vote for whichever is your favorite, or, if you so prefer, suggest an additional one.

By John Carter

Calendar Thie coming month (mid-July through mid-September) includes days dedicated to the honor of Mary Magdalene, James, son of Zebedee, Ignatius Loyola, Saint Dominic, Joseph of Arimathea, and the Transfiguration of Jesus.

Featured content and GA report Grade I listed churches in Cheshire was recently promoted to Featured List status. This picture was recently promoted to Featured Picture status. Bartolome de las Casas and Edmund the Martyr were promoted to GA level this past month. Our thanks and congratulations to all those involved.

Wikimedia Foundation report Wikibooks welcomes the development of textbooks of all kinds, children's books, recipes, and other material. It currently has just under 2500 books, including several Wikijunior books for the 12 and under population. There is, at present, not even a book on Christianity. Anyone interested in helping develop such a textbook is more than welcome to do so.

By John Carter

Christian art

The portrait of Sir Thomas More by Hans Holbein the Younger. By John Carter

Spotlight A new WikiProject relating directly to Christian history is being developed at WikiProject Christian history. Anyone interested in assisting with the development of these groups and topics is more than welcome to do so.

By John Carter

I believe ... in the tradition of Thomas the Apostle, Mar Addai, and Saint Bartholomew. I believe that Jesus had two essences (or natures), human and divine, unmingled, that are everlastingly united in one personality. I am a member of the Assyrian Church of the East.

By John Carter

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WikiProject Christianity August 2012 newsletter
 Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 341 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:David_FLXD, User:Alexsbecker, User:Penguin 236, User:Gugi001, User:John D. Rockerduck, and User:Margaret9mary. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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By John Carter

Church of the month by User:Diliff Frauenkirche (Church of Our Blessed Lady) in Munich, taken from the tower of St. Peter's Church

Contest of the month We currently have a remarkable lack of Wikipedia-Books. Right now, Category:Wikipedia books on Christianity contains only 12 books. We certainly could have at least one book on each major grouping within Christianity. One of the challenges for this month, then, is working to put together books on relevant topics. For this month, one contest is for editors to assemble the basic Wikipedia books for each of the main topics of the extant related projects. When finished, they should their creation of the books at the main Christianity noticeboard, and at the end of the month the project will award barnstars to those who have made a significant efforts in developing this underdeveloped content.

Also this month, we are going to have have a challenge to create and improve some of our more important missing or low-quality articles. As biographies are often a bit easier, this month we are choosing two biographies: Karl Behm, which has yet to be started, and the currently Stub-class article Nerses IV the Gracious. A barnstar will be awarded to any editor who can get these articles up to DYK quality level and ultimately selected for the DYK section of the main page.

Calendar Thie coming month (mid-August through mid-September) includes feasts dedicated to the honor of Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Bartholomew the Apostle, Nativity of Mary, and the Exaltation of the Cross.

Featured content and GA report Since the last report, William de Chesney (sheriff), Knights of Columbus, and  Angelus Silesius were promoted to GA level. Our thanks and congratulations to all those involved.

Wikimedia Foundation report Wikinews is our sister site for developing news stories. Several events relating to Christianity, like the installation of bishops for instance, do not necessarily merit extensive coverage in wikipedia encyclopedic articles, but can and easily could be covered at greater length in a news article format. Given the number of significant news events that relate to religion, including claims of miracles, assignment of bishops and other religious leaders, church conferences, and other events, this site provides an excellent opportunity to provide in-depth coverage of current events at greater length than wikipedia.

Christian art

Christ Crucified by Diego Velazquez.

Spotlight One of our newer editors, User:David_FLXD, has recently gone through much of our content related to Methodism and assessed it. We are very grateful for his efforts, and that of all the editors who have had a role in developing that content. We have every reason to believe that this will make it significantly easier for the Methodism work group to create and develop content relevant to Methodism. To help that along, we certainly encourage everyone to do what they can to help David and the other Methodism editors to bring the content relevant to their tradition to the highest possible level of quality.

I believe ... in the Holy Trinity, the sacraments of Baptism and Holy Communion, the Arminian conception of free will through God's prevenient grace, and the regular renewal of the individual's covenant with God. I am a Methodist.

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Metropolitan Musuem of Art links
I wanted to let you know that I have reverted your deletion of external links added to articles by Watsonlibrary which pointed to various Metropolitan Museum of Art pages. It's my assessment that these links are beneficial and contain additional information useful to our readers, and should not have been removed. They are not "spam". For simplicity I used rollback to do the reversions, but please don't take this as meaning that I think your edits were vandalism, they most obviously were not. Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 07:39, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity September 2012 newsletter
 Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 344 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:Floating Boat, User:Dewey420, and User:Jpacobb. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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By John Carter

Church of the month by User:Diliff The Chapel of Keble College, Oxford

Contest of the month We currently have a remarkable lack of Wikipedia-Books. Right now, Category:Wikipedia books on Christianity contains only 12 books. We certainly could have at least one book on each major grouping within Christianity. One of the challenges for this month, then, is working to put together books on relevant topics. For this month, one contest is for editors to assemble the basic Wikipedia books for each of the main topics of the extant related projects. When finished, they should their creation of the books at the main Christianity noticeboard, and at the end of the month the project will award barnstars to those who have made a significant efforts in developing this underdeveloped content.

Also this month, we are going to have have a challenge to create and improve some of our more important missing or low-quality articles. Last month's challenge articles were Karl Beth and Nerses IV the Gracious. Both articles are currently candidates for the DYK section of the main page. This month's challenge articles are the Stub-class article James Hastings and the not yet started Rudolf Sohm, A barnstar will be awarded to any editor who can get these articles up to DYK quality level and ultimately selected for the DYK section of the main page.

Calendar Thie coming month (mid-September through mid-October) includes feasts dedicated to the honor of the Martyrs of Korea, Saint Matthew, Vincent de Paul, Michaelmas, Saint Jerome, Theresa of Lisieux, the Feast of the Guardian Angels, Francis of Assisi, Our Lady of the Rosary, and Teresa of Avila.

Featured content and GA report Since the last report, Albertus Soegijapranata, and Reginald Heber were promoted to FA. Grade I listed churches in Greater Manchester was promoted to Featured List, and Jackie Hudson, Joyce Kilmer, Divine command theory, Bosa of York and Argument from morality were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include Church of Saint Benoit, Istanbul, All Saints Church, Hollingbourne, Neustädter Kirche, Hannover, St Mary's Church, Kirkby Lonsdale, Albert Ndongmo, If We Are the Body, List of places of worship in Tonbridge and Malling, Kulubnarti church, All Saints Church, Ulcombe, Val-Saint-Lambert Abbey, Igny Abbey, Church of the Holy Archangels Michael and Gabriel, Brăila, Places of Worship Registration Act 1855, Collegiate Church of San Gimignano, and St Matthew's Church, Burnley. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Wikimedia Foundation report As some of you may have seen, the Simple English Wikipedia has been experiencing some difficulties lately. This particular entity could be of great value to several individuals who are trying to learn English. As some of you who do speak foreign languages know, one of the most easily available, and, in general, useful learning aids for people is a text they know already, which allows them to focus on the specific words of the new language. Various recorded readings and translations of the Bible are among the best examples of this. Any efforts to try to enhance this vital means of informing a large segment of our readership is more than welcome. People interested in helping develop it are encouraged to leave a note regarding their specific articles of interest at the Christianity noticeboard. It would be wonderful if we could report some significant contributions to this sister site next month. And, of course, if we do have something to report, those involved would receive our greatest thanks.

Christian art

The Guardian Angel by Pietro da Cortona.

Spotlight WikiProject Calvinism is one of our more important subprojects. It is specifically devoted to developing content relating to the Calvinist tradition, and the primary point for development of content relating to the Pilgrims, Presbyterians, Reformed churches, Congregational church, Reformed Baptists, and Low church. We definitely encourage everyone to do what they can to help this project develop the content relating to this extremely important Christian tradition.

I believe ... that human nature is insufficient for salvation, and the grace of God is required to do so. I believe that God has preordained who will and will not achieve salvation. I believe that Jesus's atonement was sufficient for the purposes for which it was done. I believe that God's grace is of such power that it can overcome any person's resistance. I believe that those whom God has chosen for salvation will, by the undeniable power of God, persevere in God's grace. I am a Calvinist.

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WikiProject Christianity October 2012 newsletter
 Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 347 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:Dplcrnj, User:Danmuz, User:Zigzig20s, and User:Jasonasosa. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. This newsletter is one of the ways we do try to help people keep up with the project. We would always welcome any input for things to be included in it or additional editors to keep it going. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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Church of the month by User:Taxiarchos228, recently promoted to Featured Image St. Paul's Church, Basel

Contest of the month For the upcoming month, the contest will be to develop content related to the Christmas season, including Advent and other related topics. Please feel free to see and take part in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard.

One of last month's challenge articles, Rudolf Sohm, has been substantially developed by User:Jack1956 and User:StAnselm. Our deepest thanks to both of them!!

Calendar Thie coming month (mid-October through mid-November) includes All Saints' Day and All Souls' Day and major commemorations dedicated to the honor of the Ignatius of Antioch, Luke the Evangelist, Simon the Canaanite, Saint Jude, the dedication of the Lateran Basilica, the beginning of the Nativity Fast, James of Jerusalem, Reformation Day, and others.

Featured content and GA report Since the last report, Augustinian theodicy by User:ItsZippy was promoted to FA. Grade I listed churches in Merseyside by User:Peter I. Vardy was promoted to Featured List. The images in the Church of the Month and Christian art sections of this newsletter were promoted to Featured Picture status. John Wheelwright by User:Sarnold17, Christmas Party (The Office) by User:Gen. Quon and If We Are the Body by User:Toa Nidhiki05, were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include Cathedral of Saint Demetrius, Craiova, by User:Biruitorul, Nerses IV the Gracious by User:John Carter, Church of St Candida and Holy Cross by User:BarretB, St Laurence's Church, Morland by User:Peter I. Vardy, St Mary's Church, Longfleet by User:Bermicourt, Chor von St. Bonifatius by User:Gerda Arendt, St Andrew's Church, Penrith by User:Peter I. Vardy, Holy Rosary Cathedral (Vancouver) by User:Bloom6132, Sacred Heart Cathedral (Kamloops) by User:Bloom6132, St Columba's Church, Warcop by User:Peter I. Vardy, St Oswald's Church, Ravenstonedale by User:Peter I. Vardy, and W. E. Biederwolf by User:John Foxe. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

Portrait of John Henry Newman by Sir John Everett Millais. This image was promoted this past month to FM by the work of User:Spongie555. Thank you, Spongie! Spotlight WikiProject Holidays/Christmas task force is the group whose purpose is to help develop the content related to the Christmas season, including Advent, New Year's, and related holidays. As many of us know, in several parts of the world, including the United States, the Christmas season is not only the time of one of the greatest holidays of the Christian liturgical year, but it is also the "make or break" time for many retailers, whose profitability for the year often depends on their success in this time of the giving of sometimes significantly expensive gifts. In other parts of the world, the winter solstice period and sometimes specifically Christmas itself means something that might surprise many Christians, like the Christmas in Japan, where Christmas is one of the times hotels receive the greatest number of, often unmarried, couples staying there for the night. The solstice season is also significant to several other religions. Many of these days are also legal holidays in several places. In Belarus, for instance, both the Western and Eastern Christmas commemorations are legal holidays. We would certainly welcome the members of this project to donate some of their time and talents in the upcoming months to improving this significant content.

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WikiProject Christianity October 2012 newsletter
<div style="font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 349 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:Hayayika and User:Pikachu Bros.. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. This newsletter is one of the ways we do try to help people keep up with the project. We would always welcome any input for things to be included in it or additional editors to keep it going. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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By John Carter

Church of the month Saint-Augustin, Paris by User:Saffron Blaze Recently promoted to Featured Image. Great work!

Contest of the month For the upcoming month, the contest will continue with the Christmas theme, including Advent and other related topics. Please feel free to see and take part in discussion at the Christianity noticeboard.

Calendar This coming month (mid-November through mid-December) includes the Advent season. Other major feasts are those of Margaret of Scotland, Matthew the Evangelist, Hilda of Whitby, Elizabeth of Hungary, Edmund the Martyr, the Presentation of Mary, Saint Cecilia, Clement of Rome, Catherine of Alexandria, Andrew the Apostle, Francis Xavier, Saint Barbara, John Damascene, Nicholas of Myra, Saint Ambrose of Milan, Feast of the Immaculate Conception, Our Lady of Guadalupe, Lucy of Syracuse, and others.

Featured content and GA report Since the last report, Crucifixion and Last Judgement diptych by, among others, User:Truthkeeper88, User:Ceoil, and User:Kafka Liz and Mitt Romney by User:Wasted Time R were promoted to FA. List of 2000s Christian Songs number ones by User:Toa Nidhiki05 was promoted to Featured List. The two images in the Church of the Month and Christian art sections of this newsletter were promoted to Featured Picture status, as were these two images of Michelangelo's Pieta and of Giovanni Bellini's Saint Francis in the Desert. Derek Webb by User: Pepsi2786 and others, and Scipione Piattoli by User:Piotrus were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include Archdiocese of Râmnic, by User:Biruitorul, Diocese of Caransebeş by User:Biruitorul, Wythburn Church by User:Peter I. Vardy, St. Gumbertus, Ansbach by User:Gerda Arendt, User:Dr. Blofeld, and User:Nvvchar collectively, St. Johannis, Ansbach by User:Gerda Arendt, User:Dr. Blofeld, and User:Nvvchar collectively, Nikollë Bojaxhiu by User:ZjarriRrethues, All Saints Church, Lydd by User:Dr. Blofeld, User:Rosiestep, User:Gilderien, and User:Ipigott collectively, St Mary's Church, Acton Burnell by User:Peter I. Vardy, St Eata's Church, Atcham by User:Peter I. Vardy, Nativity of St. John the Baptist Church, Piatra Neamț by User:Biruitorul, Anna Schäffer by User:Shii, List of Archbishops of Vancouver by User: Bloom6132, James Francis Carney by User:Bloom6132, St Luke's Church, Chelsea by User:PKM and User:Johnbod, Gregory Orologas by User:Alexikoua, Ambrosios Pleianthidis by User:Alexikoua, and St Giles' Church, Barrow, by User:Peter I. Vardy. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

Three scenes of the legend of the Miraculous Sacrament, in which communion wafers were reported to bleed after being stabbed, in the St. Michael and St. Gudula Cathedral, Brussels by Jean-Baptiste Capronnier. This image was promoted this past month to FM by the work of User:Alvesgaspar. Thank you, Alvesgaspar!

Spotlight The core topics work group is the group whose specific purpose is to help identify and develop those articles which are of greatest importance to an overall understanding of the broad subject of Christianity, based on what is included in the core topics list. These articles include some of specific churches and individuals, history, philosophical and theological matters, and more. We have had some recent discussion regarding which articles should be included in this list, and it probably makes sense to revisit the selections, and try to figure out how best to work to make them high quality articles. Discussion is beginning at WT:X regarding these matters, and all input is welcome.

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WP:Anglican navbox colour discussion
Hullo, fellow WikiProject-er. We're having a discussion about the colours of Anglicanism navboxes. Please do come along and weigh in. DBD 17:47, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - December 2012
<div style="font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 350 active members. We would like to welcome our newest member, User:Harishrawat11. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. This newsletter is one of the ways we do try to help people keep up with the project. We would always welcome any input for things to be included in it or additional editors to keep it going. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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By John Carter

Church of the month This image of The Baptistry of Saint John in Pisa by User:NotFromUtrecht was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!

Contest of the month As I imagine many of our editors will be editing at a greatly reduced level for the next few weeks, what with the Christmas and New Year's holidays coming, there is no specific content-related contest this month. The contest, if anything, is to make the most of the season, in whatever way, if any, you deem appropriate.

Calendar This coming month (mid-December through mid-January) includes the Advent season, and one of the two greatest holidays of the Christian year, Christmas. Other major feasts in the next month include those of the Feast of the Epiphany, Baptism of the Lord, Saint Stephen, Thomas the Apostle, Holy Innocents, John the Evangelist, Gregory of Nazianzus, Basil the Great, Saint Genevieve, Elizabeth Ann Seton, and Saint Sava.

Featured content and GA report Since the last report, Anne Hutchinson nominated by User:Sarnold17 was promoted to FA. Grade I listed churches in Lancashire by User:Peter I. Vardy was promoted to Featured List. The image in the Church of the Month and Christian art sections of this newsletter were promoted to Featured Picture status. Come to the Well by User:Toa Nidhiki05 and others, and Dwight Christmas by User:Gen. Quon and others were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include King's Chapel, Gibraltar, by User:Prioryman, Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Albany, New York) by User:Daniel Case, Tingsted Church by User:Ipigott and User:Rosiestep, St. Mary's Church (Albany, New York) by User:Daniel Case, Stubbekøbing Church by User:Ipigott and User:Rosiestep, Notre Dame Cathedral (Phnom Penh) by User:Bloom6132, and St. James' Church, Cardington by User:Peter I. Vardy. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

The nave of the Parish Church of Urtijëi. This image was created by User:Moroderen. Thank you, Moroderen!

Spotlight In the spirit of Christmas, the spotlight for the coming month might actually best be on those people closest to you. We know that a lot of our editors here are associated in some way or another with schools, and many if not most of them are going on rather extended breaks for the holidays. This can give some of us a chance to meet up with old friends, spend time with our families and those close to us, and, in a sense, "recharge" for the new year. So, for all of you who are in some way part of that group, we wish you the very best of holidays. We hope you all return to editing after the holidays with your spirits lifted and with your energies at peak level. There are some small matters in development here as well, and it is our hope that some of them will be ready come the next newsletter. But, until then, we wish you all the happiest and holiest (if appropriate) holidays.

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - January 2013
<div style="font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 354 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Alliereborn, Iselilja, Peterkp, and Sosthenes12. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. This newsletter is one of the ways we do try to help people keep up with the project. We would always welcome any input for things to be included in it or additional editors to keep it going. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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By John Carter

Church of the month This image of Alexander Nevsky Cathedral in Tallinn, Estonia by User:Poco a poco was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!

Contest of the month No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard, and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

By John Carter

Featured content and GA report Since the last report, the image in the "Church of the Month" section of this newsletter was promoted to Featured Image status.

Darzu ist erschienen der Sohn Gottes, BWV 40 by Gerda Arendt and others, Teuruarii IV by Lemurbaby, KAVEBEAR and others, and Peace on Earth (Casting Crowns album) by Toa Nidhiki05 and others, were all promoted to GA status.

Also this past month, the DYKs on the main page included St James' Church, Cardington by Peter I. Vardy, Bishop's Palace, Kraków by Poeticbent, Kippinge Church by Ipigott and Rosiestep, Trinitatis Church, also by Ipigott and Rosiestep, Steindamm Church by Olessi, St Laurence's Church, Church Stretton by Peter I. Vardy, Monastery of the Holy Trinity, Meteora, by Peter I. Vardy, Sonrise Church, by Aboutmovies, St. Peter's Episcopal Church (Albany, New York), by Daniel Case, All Saints Church, Claverley, by Peter I. Vardy, and Church of the Holy Virgin Mary of Lourdes, by  Poeticbent. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

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The Tower of Babel'' by Pieter Bruegel the Elder This image was created by User:Dcoetzee. Thank you, Dcoetzee!

Spotlight The Spotlight this month turns to the the Syriac Christianity work group. The scope of this project includes the various traditions of Syriac Christianity, including the Assyrian Church of the East, Ancient Church of the East, Church of the East, Syriac Orthodox Church, Chaldean Catholic Church, Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church, Melkite Greek Catholic Church, Syriac Catholic Church, Syro-Malankara Catholic Church, and Saint Thomas Christians. One of these groups, the Assyrian Church of the East, is considered by scholars to have probably been, for several hundred years, the largest Christian grouping in the planet, with its numerous members in Central Asia and Eastern Asia. Numerous texts, traditions, and practices unique to these groups exist, including the Jesus Sutras and the belief of the Assyrian Church of the East that the bread they use in the preparation of their Eucharist uses the same basic yeast as that used in the bread of the Last Supper itself. Sadly, given the linguistic barriers to much of the content relative to these groups, and the comparative lack of notoriety they have in the Western world, much of this content does receive less attenion, and thus less development, than much other content. There is a large amount of extremely valuable historical material here still waiting to be adequately developed by editors with an interest in the topic, and I personally very much hope that we can draw more attention to these topics, and the content related to them.

By John Carter

Calendar This coming month (mid-January through mid-February) includes The Presentation of Christ in the Temple or Candlemas and the Conversion of Paul. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Saint Agnes, Saint Francis de Sales, Saints Timothy and Titus, Thomas Aquinas, John Bosco, Saint Agatha, Paul Miki, [{Saint Scholastica]], and Saint Anskar.

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter April 2013
<div style="font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 357 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Thomas Cranmer, Mr.Oglesby, and Sneha Priscilla. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor

We apologise for the hiatus in the publication of this newsletter due to unforseen circumstances leading to the wikibreak of John Carter, and so I have taken over as acting editor, and have taken this opportunity to move the publication date to the start of each month as planned, to better reflect on the previous month and look ahead to the next. This issue covers the period of time from mid-January to the end of March.

Since the last issue we have seen the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI and the election of Pope Francis. This has received much coverage both in the world media and on Wikipedia. While there is still much work to do, several quality articles have been written and the editors involved are thanked for their efforts.

This month we look ahead to Easter and the celebration of God's love for mankind through the crucifixion and resurrection of his Son Jesus Christ. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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By Gilderien

Church of the month This image of the Church of Saint Ildefonso, Portugal by Poco a poco was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!

Contest of the month No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard, and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

By John Carter

Featured content and GA report Since the last report;

Grade I listed churches in Cumbria was promoted to Featured List status, thanks to Peter I. Vardy, and the image above of the Church of Saint Ildefonso was promoted to featured picture status.

Martin Luther King, Jr., by Khazar2, was promoted to GA status, as well Third Epistle of John by Cerebellum.

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included St Mary's Church, Cleobury Mortimer by Peter I. Vardy; Marion Irvine by Giants2008; Margaret McKenna by Guerillero; Archdiocesan Cathedral of the Holy Trinity by Epeefleche; St Edith's Church, Eaton-under-Heywood by Peter I. Vardy; Vester Egesborg Church by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; Undløse Church by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; St Martin's Church, Næstved by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; St. Peter, Syburg by Gerda Arendt and Dr. Blofeld; Østre Porsgrunn Church by Strachkvas; Church of Our Saviour (Mechanicsburg, Ohio) by Nyttend; Dami Mission by Freikorp; Mechanicsburg Baptist Church by Nyttend; Acheiropoietos Monastery, by Proudbolsahye; T. Lawrason Riggs, by Gareth E Kegg; McColley's Chapel, by Mangoe; Oświęcim Chapel, by BurgererSF; Second Baptist Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio), by Nyttend; Church of the Holy Ghost, Tallinn, by Yakikaki; Old Stone Congregational Church, by Orladyl Heath Chapel, by Peter I. Vardy; St. Joseph's Church, Beijing, by Bloom6132; Church of St Bartholomew, Yeovilton, by Rodw; and St. Michael's Catholic Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio) also by Nyttend. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

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Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22, a cantata by the German composer J.S. Bach, was promoted to GA this month and was written by Gerda Arendt. Many thanks for her continuing work in the area of early 18th Century Church music.

Spotlight The Spotlight this month turns to the the Jesus work group. The scope of this project includes the life and teachings of the central figure of Christianity, Jesus Christ and aims to write about them in a non-denominational encylopædic style. Top-priority articles include Jesus, Christ, Resurrection of Jesus, and Holy Grail, whereas High-priority articles include Aramaic Language, a former FA, as well as Sermon on the Mount, Lamb of God, and Passion (Christianity). The workgroup has also published two books, covering Christ's final days and the Parables of Jesus. The workgroup has two GAs, Nativity scene, and Jesus in Islam, but unfortunately the flagship article, Jesus was delisted in 2009. It is also responsible for three WP:1.0 articles, and the WikiWork of the project is 4.56, which indicates the "average" article is between Start and C class.

By Gilderien

Calendar This coming month (end-March through end-April) includes Easter Sunday in Western Christianity and both Lazarus Saturday and Palm Sunday for the Eastern Orthodox Church. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Saint George, Saint Mark the Evangelist, Saint Stanislaus, James, son of Zebedee, and Benedict the Moor. - Help requests Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (May 2013)
<div style="font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 363 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Pleonic, MJWilliams1998, Iloilo Wanderer, Jkadavoor, Sir Ian and McBenjamin. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor This month we hear the news that the Bible is to be made into a film after outstanding success of a biblical miniseries on the History Channel, and we have seen the release of Iraqi Pastor Ali Hamzah from his confinement in Iraq.

After last month's spotlight on the Jesus work group, the flagship article, Jesus, was nominated for Good Article status after much work from FutureTrillionaire and History2007, and provisionally passed by the reviewer, although they have requested a second opinion. Our many thanks for the hard work that has gone into restoring this article to a quality piece of work.

This month the second largest denomination of Christianity, the Eastern Orthodox Church, celebrates Easter and the death and resurrection of the Son of God Jesus Christ.

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By Gilderien

Church of the month Wells Cathedral was this month promoted to GA status. Rodw has appealed for any help project members can give to improve this article for a FA nomination.

Contest of the month No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. By John Carter

Featured content and GA report Since the last report;

Featured report; Madonna in the Church, by Ceoil, Truthkeeper88, and Johnbod was promoted to Featured Article status. Crucifixion and Last Judgement was promoted to featured picture status, after nomination by Crisco 1492.

Wells Cathedral, by Rodw, Robert of Ghent, by User:Ealdgyth, Christianity in Medieval Scotland, by Sabrebd, and Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, also by Sabrebd were promoted to GA status.

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included Lectionary 311, by Leszek Jańczuk; Herr Christ, der einig Gotts Sohn, by Gerda Arendt; Whalsay Parish Church, by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, Dr. Blofeld; Interpretatio Christiana, by Altenmann; First Congregational Church, Salt Lake City, by Orlady; Church of King Charles the Martyr, Royal Tunbridge Wells, by The C of E; First Church in Albany (Reformed), by Daniel Case; Pope Anastasius II, by AbstractIllusions; Iglesia de Nuestra Señora de la Palma, by Dr. Blofeld, Ipigott, Rosiestep; Colan Church, by Rosiestep, Nvvchar, Ipigott; Notre Dame Cathedral, Papeete, Bloom6132, Church of St. Wenceslaus (New Prague, Minnesota), by Elkman; St. Joseph Catholic Church (San Antonio, Texas), by Gilliam; Doubting Thomas, by Johnbod; Robert of Ghent, by Ealdgyth; and Holy Trinity Church, Holdgate, by Peter I. Vardy. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

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This depiction of the Crucifixion and Last Judgement was painted by Dutch artist Jan van Eyck and promoted to Featured Picture this month.

Spotlight SPOTLIGHT

This month, we turn our attention to the Encyclopedic articles sub-group, which aims to provide "a collection point for lists of articles contained in other reference sources relating to Christianity, which could serve as a basis for developing our own content". Created by John Carter, it is primarily a list of links, red or otherwise, for subjects which have an article in the reference works listed therein. This serves as a very useful list if any project members are "stuck for what to do" and there remains lots of potential for articles developed from this list.

By Gilderien

Calendar This coming month (end-April through end-May) includes Easter Sunday for the Eastern Orthodox Church. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Matthias the Apostle, The Venerable Bede, and Empress Helena. - Help requests Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (June 2013)
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From the Editor Since its formation in 2006, WikiProject Christianity has come a long way. A significant number of new articles have appeared on a wide range of topics, and the quality of some key articles has seen dramatic improvement. Yet, by the very nature of the open, crowd-sourced development environment in which we operate, as the number of pages in the project has increased at times our attention has been naturally diluted. We should of course strive for quality everywhere, but we should remember that this newsletter is called Ichthus.

Starting this month we will start a "Focus on" series, where we will try to "bring Jesus back" and focus on him. For five consecutive issues we will focus on one aspect of the study of Jesus. The goal of this series is to inform our members of what the project contains and highlight those articles which have reached quality and stability.

From this month until November we will focus on the historical Jesus, a topic which has been the subject of much discussion on article talk pages, as well as the general media. This is an important topic, and we have a good set of well referenced articles on that now. Then, starting in December we will focus on Christ, and the spiritual and theological elements that the title entails. Following that the review of the life and ministry of Jesus in the New Testament, his miracles, and parables will take place. And each month the "Bookshelf" will mention a book that fits the theme of the month.

We hope you will enjoy this journey as we present a new aspect of Jesus each month. And given that as the number of project pages increases, the ratio of those watching the pages declines, we hope that more of you will watch some of these central pages that help define this project.

Church of the month The current building of All Saints' Church, Winthorpe in Nottinghamshire, England which was completed in 1888, is at least the third version of the church, which dates back to at least the early 13th century.

Good articles and DYKs The article Jesus received the good article mark last month, as did Cleeve Abbey. A number of churches were featured on the main page in the DYK section in May, namely St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St Patrick's Liverpool, Vlah Church, Freerslev Church, Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption, Mata-Utu, St. Michael's Cathedral (Sitka, Alaska), St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St. Pierre Cathedral, Saint-Pierre, Mont Saint Michel Abbey, St Patrick's Church, Liverpool, Vlah Church, St Catherine of Siena Church, Cocking, Catedral Nuestra Señora de La Asunción, Roholte Church, Notre Dame Cathedral, Taiohae, Leicester Abbey, Caracas Cathedral, Caldey Abbey, King's Mead Priory, Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Hong Kong) andAll Saints' Church, Winthorpe, as well as the hymn What Wondrous Love Is This.

Focus on... <BIG>T</BIG>HE <BIG>H</BIG>ISTORICAL <BIG>J</BIG>ESUS

Did Jesus exist? Did he walk the streets of Jerusalem? The Historicity of Jesus article answers these questions with a firm affirmative. Historicity does not discuss if Jesus walked on water, but if he walked at all. The issue was the subject of scholarly debate before the end of last century, but the academic debate is almost over now. As the article discusses, virtually all academic opposition to the existence of Jesus has evaporated away now and scholars see it as a concluded issue. The discussion is now just among mostly self-published non-academics.

In 2011 John Dickson tweeted that if anyone finds a professor of history who denies that Jesus lived,he would eat a page of his Bible (Matthew 1 he said). Dickson's Bible is still safe.

The article discusses the ancient sources that relate to Jesus and how they fit together to establish that he existed. The evidence for Jesus is not just based on the Christian gospels, but by inter-relating them with non-Christian sources, and the fact that they all "fit together". Moreover, the existence of Jesus is not supported just by Christian scholars and in recent years the detailed knowledge of Jewish scholars and their discoveries (e.g. Shlomo Pines' discovery of the Syriac Josephus) has proven highly beneficial. We encourage you to read and follow the article, for the existence of Jesus is central to the existence of Christianity.

From the bookshelf Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence by Robert Van Voorst, 2000 ISBN 0-8028-4368-9

Just a few years after its publication, Van Voorst's book has become the standard comprehensive text for the discussion of ancient sources that relate to Jesus and his historicity. This detailed yet really readable book has received wide ranging endorsements - Blomberg and Harris separately referring to it as the most comprehensive treatment of the subject.

Did you know...
 * ... that Johann Sebastian Bach wrote the initials "S. D. G.", for Soli Deo Gloria, at the beginning and end of all his church compositions to give God credit for the work, and that Handel at times did the same?

Calendar The coming month includes days dedicated to the honor of Beheading of John the Baptist, Saints Peter and Paul, the Nativity of John the Baptist, and Saint Barnabas.

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (July 2013)
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From the Editor Welcome to the July 2013 issue of Ichthus. We focus on the chronology of Jesus, as well as looking back at the project content improved over the last month.

WP:X has gained another Featured Article, Gospel of the Ebionites, by Ignocrates. The Gospel of the Ebionites is the name scholars give to an apocryphal gospel that supposedly belonged to a sect known as the Ebionites. It consists of seven short quotations discovered in a heresiology known as the Panarion, written by Epiphanius of Salamis, and its original title remains unknown. The text is a gospel harmony composed in Greek, and is believed to have been written during the middle of the 2nd century.

St Mihangel's Church, Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn was promoted to Good Article status, as was two other welsh churches, St Enghenedl's Church, Llanynghenedl, and St Peter's Church, Llanbedrgoch.

The main page also featured several DYK hooks for articles in our project, namely Bob Fu, List of places of worship in Tandridge (district), Catholic Press, Garendon Abbey, St. John's Episcopal Church (Jersey City, New Jersey), Pargev Martirosyan, Praskvica Monastery, Heather Preceptory, St. Augustin, Coburg, Longleat Priory, St Mihangel's Church, Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn, St Enghenedl's Church, Llanynghenedl, Christianization of Moravia, Christianization of Bohemia, Repton Abbey, St Peter's Church, Llanbedrgoch, Medingen Abbey, Elmhurst Christian Reformed Church, St. James on-the-Lines, and Leopold Karl von Kollonitsch.

Church of the month St. Michael's Golden-Domed Monastery is part of Saint Sophia's Cathedral, Kiev in Ukraine. It is a functioning monastery that dates back to the Middle Ages.

Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 367 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Newchildrenofthealmighty, Evenssteven, Kerna96, and FutureTrillionaire. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

Focus on... <BIG>T</BIG>HE <BIG>H</BIG>ISTORICAL <BIG>J</BIG>ESUS

When did Jesus live? When did he die? How do we know? We do, in fact, have excellent information about the time intervals for the life and death of Jesus. As in other people who lived and died in the first century, this gives an approximate date range, but still, give or take 3-4 years and we have pretty good estimates confirmed by a number of really diverse sources, ranging from inscriptions in Delphi to Roman and Jewish sources. The Chronology of Jesus article discusses how a wide variety of Christian, Jewish and Roman sources are used to establish the time-frame for the life and death of Jesus.

And all of his data fits together. For instance, the chronology of Paul had been discussed based on the Book of Acts long ago, then the Delphi Inscription is found in the 20th century in the Temple of Apollo. And guess what.. it confirms it and totally dates his trial in Corinth, which helps reaffirm the date of the crucifixion of Jesus. The same date range is independently estimated from the writings of Josephus on the Baptist's death. And it fits Isaac Newton's astronomical models for the crucifixion date as well as the independent lunar calculations of Humphreys. As that article shows, all these dates just fit together.

From the bookshelf Chronos, kairos, Christos: nativity and chronological studies edited by J. Vardaman, E. M. Yamauchi 1989 ISBN 0-931464-50-1

This two volume book (with a very apt title) is gem-filled with scholarly research. Paul Maier's article in the first volume is a classic study on the chronology of Jesus and provides a useful summary of a number of issues.

Did you know...
 * ... that the Russian journalist Nicolas Notovitch who in 1894 originated the story that there was evidence at the Hemis monastery that an adult Jesus had traveled to India, later confessed to fabricating his evidence?

Calendar This month (July) contains the feast days of Mary Magdalene, and James, son of Zebedee.

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The Last Pope. Pope Francis is The Roman Rock. When you understand the differences between Jesuits and Franciscans orders you will see. Ergo Peter the Roman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.195.88.176 (talk) 17:31, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

August 2013 WikiProject Christianity Newsletter
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From the Editor

Welcome to the August 2013 issue of the WikiProject Christianity newsletter. We focus on the historical Jesus and reflect on the last month.

The project has another featured picture, The ruins of Holyrood Chapel, a digitisation of an oil-on-canvas painting. Our top-importance article, Jesus, has been nominated for Featured Article status, the discussion can be seen here; Knights of Colombus has also been nominated as a FAC.

Ecgbert (bishop) and Church architecture in Scotland have both this month achieved Good Article status.

Our project had several of its articles featured in the main page DYK section, including Hinckley Priory, Little Chapel, St Peter's Church, Ropsley, Chip Ingram, St John the Evangelist's Church, Corby Glen, Great George Street Congregational Church, St Mary's Church, Walton-on-the-Hill and Bunge church.

Our thanks go to all of those who have worked to achieve these article milestones.

Church of the month This image, of Maillezais Cathedral and created by Selbymay was this month promoted to featured picture status.

Membership report We would like to welcome our newest members, Thechristophermorris, Psmidi and Jchthys. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

Focus on... <BIG>T</BIG>HE <BIG>H</BIG>ISTORICAL <BIG>J</BIG>ESUS

What was Jesus like? What did he preach? Did he claim to be the Messiah? Did he predict an apocalypse? What can we know about him outside a religious context? The Historical Jesus article discusses what can be known about Jesus with various degrees of probability. While scholars agree on the over all flow and outline of Jesus' life (his baptism by John, debated Jewish authorities, healings, and his crucifixion by Pilate) they have built various and diverging portraits of the rest of his life. These range from minimalist portraits that accept very little of the gospel accounts to maximalists who accept most of the accounts as historical.

The portraits of Jesus have at times been unwitting reflections of the researchers themselves, and Crossan once quipped that some authors "do autobiography and call it biography". However, the study of historical Jesus has made one thing clear: there is so much to learn about Jesus that the more one looks, the more there is to discover.

From the bookshelf Jesus of Nazareth: An Independent Historian's Account of His Life and Teaching by Maurice Casey 2010 ISBN 0-567-64517-7

In this book Maurice Casey not only draws on his special expertise in the Aramaic traditions and the Q source, but provides a comprehensive review of the various approaches to the historical Jesus.

Did you know...
 * ... that in 1951 Christianity was the second largest religion in the world with 500 million followers, compared to 520 million Buddhists, but by 2013 it had gained the top spot with about 2.2 billion Christians?

Calendar This month we celebrate the feasts of St Lawrence, St Bernard, and St Augustine.

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Books and Bytes Volume 1, Issue 1, October 2013 by , Greetings Wikipedia Library members! Welcome to the inaugural edition of Books and Bytes, TWL’s monthly newsletter. We're sending you the first edition of this opt-in newsletter, because you signed up, or applied for a free research account: HighBeam, Credo, Questia, JSTOR, or Cochrane. To receive future updates of Books and Bytes, please add your name to the subscriber's list. There's lots of news this month for the Wikipedia Library, including new accounts, upcoming events, and new ways to get involved... New positions: Sign up to be a Wikipedia Visiting Scholar, or a Volunteer Wikipedia Librarian Wikipedia Loves Libraries: Off to a roaring start this fall in the United States: 29 events are planned or have been hosted. New subscription donations: Cochrane round 2; HighBeam round 8; Questia round 4... Can we partner with NY Times and Lexis-Nexis?? New ideas: OCLC innovations in the works; VisualEditor Reference Dialog Workshop; a photo contest idea emerges News from the library world: Wikipedian joins the National Archives full time; the Getty Museum releases 4,500 images; CERN goes CC-BY Announcing WikiProject Open: WikiProject Open kicked off in October, with several brainstorming and co-working sessions New ways to get involved: Visiting scholar requirements; subject guides; room for library expansion and exploration Read the full newsletter ''Thanks for reading! All future newsletters will be opt-in only. Have an item for the next issue? Leave a note for the editor on the Suggestions page. --The Interior 19:50, 27 October 2013 (UTC)''

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Ichthus April 2018
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Project News By Lionelt

Belated Happy Easter and Kalo Pascha! We're excited to announce the return of our newsletter Ichthus! Getting this issue out was touch-and-go for a while. Check out what's happening at the Project:
 * There was a lively discussion about the Easter Did You Know nomination Christ the Lord is Risen Today
 * RFC at Knights of Columbus regarding a question about having Prop 8 in the lead
 * In anticipation of being nominated for Featured article, Presbyterian Church in the United States of America was put up for Peer Review by Ltwin
 * The death of Billy Graham on February 21 was a profound loss for many. For the Wikipedia reaction see this discussion. Graham received a blurb.
 * And... Order of Friars Minor--nominated by Chicbyaccident--is still waiting for a GA reviewer. Please help out if you can.

Achievements

In March the Project saw four articles promoted to GA-Class. They were the oh-so-irresistible Delilah (nom. MagicatthemovieS) (pictured), Edict of Torda (nom. Borsoka), David Meade (author) (nom. LovelyGirl7) and last but not least Black Christmas (2006 film) (nom. Drown_Soda). Black Christmas? How did that get in there lol? Congratulations to all of the nominators for a job well done!

Did You Know Nominated by The C of E

... that some people know Christ the Lord is risen today from Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch?"

Featured article Nominated by FutureTrillionaire

Jesus (7–2 BC to 30–33 AD) is the central figure of Christianity, whom the teachings of most Christian denominations hold to be the Son of God and the awaited Messiah of the Old Testament. Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that a historical Jesus existed, although there is little agreement on the reliability of the gospel narratives and how closely the biblical Jesus reflects the historical Jesus. Most scholars agree that Jesus was a Jewish preacher from Galilee, was baptized by John the Baptist, and was crucified in Jerusalem on the orders of the Roman prefect, Pontius Pilate. Christians generally believe that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of a virgin, performed miracles, founded the Church, died by crucifixion as a sacrifice to achieve atonement, rose from the dead, and ascended into heaven, from which he will return. The great majority of Christians worship Jesus as the incarnation of God the Son, the second of three Persons of a Divine Trinity. A few Christian groups reject Trinitarianism, wholly or partly, as non-scriptural. In Islam, Jesus is considered one of God's important prophets and the Messiah.

Help wanted

We're looking for writers to contribute to Ichthus. Do you have a project that you'd like to highlight? An issue that you'd like to bring to light? Post your inquiries or submission here. And if the publication of this issue is any indication, you're in for the ride of a lifetime!

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Ichthus: May 2018
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Last month's auspicious relaunch of our newsletter precipitated something of an uproar in the Wikipedia community. What started as a localized edit war over censorship spilled over onto the Administrator's Noticeboard finally ending up at Wikipedia's supreme judicial body ArbCom. Their ruling resulted in the admonishment of administrator for his involvement in the dispute. The story was reported by Wikipedia's venerable flagship newspaper The Signpost.

The question of whether to delete all portals--including the 27 Christianity-related portals--was put to the Wikipedia community. Approximately 400 editors have participated in the protracted discussion. Going by !votes, Oppose deletion has a distinct majority. The original Christianity Portal was created on November 5, 2005 by and the following year he successfully nominated the portal for Featured Portal. has revived WikiProject Portals with hopes of revitalizing Wikipedia's system of 1,515 portals.

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Four articles in the Project were promoted to GA: Edict of Torda nom. by, Jim Bakker nom. by, Ralph Abernathy nom. by and Psalm 84 nom. by. The Psalm ends with "O Lord of hosts, blessed is the man that trusteth in thee." Words to live by. Please support our members and send some WikiLove to the nominators!

Featured article Nominated by Operation Auca was an attempt by five Evangelical Christian missionaries from the United States to make contact with the Huaorani people of the rainforest of Ecuador. The Huaorani, also known as the Aucas, were an isolated tribe known for their violence, both against their own people and outsiders who entered their territory. With the intention of being the first Protestants to evangelize the Huaorani, the missionaries began making regular flights over Huaorani settlements in September 1955, dropping gifts. After several months of exchanging gifts, on January 2, 1956, the missionaries established a camp at "Palm Beach", a sandbar along the Curaray River, a few miles from Huaorani settlements. Their efforts culminated on January 8, 1956, when all five&mdash;Jim Elliot, Nate Saint, Ed McCully, Peter Fleming, and Roger Youderian&mdash;were attacked and speared by a group of Huaorani warriors. The news of their deaths was broadcast around the world, and Life magazine covered the event with a photo essay. The deaths of the men galvanized the missionary effort in the United States, sparking an outpouring of funding for evangelization efforts around the world. Their work is still frequently remembered in evangelical publications, and in 2006, was the subject of the film production End of the Spear. (more...)

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"... that, shortly after being sentenced to death for treason, Ioan C. Filitti became manager of the National Theatre Bucharest?"

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 * Is Genesis History? has an RFC regarding acceptability of movie reviews for inclusion; see discussion
 * United States pro-life movement has a requested move to United States anti-abortion movement; see discussion

The following articles need reviewers for GA-class: Type of Constans nom. by, Tian Feng (magazine) nom. by. Your assistance is greatly appreciated.

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... that in 1636, Phineas Hodson, Chancellor of York Minster, lost his 38-year-old wife Jane during the birth of the couple's 24th child?

Featured article Nominated by The Mortara case was a controversy precipitated by the Papal States' seizure of Edgardo Mortara, a six-year-old Jewish child, from his family in Bologna, Italy, in 1858. The city's inquisitor, Father Pier Feletti, heard from a servant that she had administered emergency baptism to the boy when he fell sick as an infant, and the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition held that this made the child irrevocably a Catholic. Because the Papal States had forbidden the raising of Christians by members of other faiths, it was ordered that he be taken from his family and brought up by the Church. After visits from the child's father, international protests mounted, but Pope Pius IX would not be moved. The boy grew up as a Catholic with the Pope as a substitute father, trained for the priesthood in Rome until 1870, and was ordained in France three years later. In 1870 the Kingdom of Italy captured Rome during the unification of Italy, ending the pontifical state; opposition across Italy, Europe and the United States over Mortara's treatment may have contributed to its downfall.

- Ichthus is published by WikiProject Christianity &bull; Get answers to questions about Christianity here Discuss any of the above stories here &bull; For submissions contact the Newsroom &bull; Unsubscribe here Delivered: 11:58, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Dempsey (dog)


The article Dempsey (dog) has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Not notable. It is at best merely 1990's trivia. Only 40 edits in 13 years and no significant edits to content since the original creation on the page in 2006. Even the subject matter is not significant: a challenge case that was dismissed on technical grounds and not taken up again. So no decisions were made, no case law was created, and no changes were implemented because of this case. The article has one extant news citation available online, allegedly two other news citations not available online for review, and a brief mention (less than a page) in a book. A google search brings up only two more instances which say nothing more than was already said in the other citaiton. Just not notable."

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Nomopbs (talk) 16:04, 6 August 2019 (UTC)