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The Military history WikiProject Newsletter: Issue XIV (April 2007)
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Battles
While Tomb of Samuel isn't exclusively about the battle, wouldn't it be best to categorise it as such until the point that the battle information is forked to its own entry? Cheers,  Tewfik Talk 22:36, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

First Indochina War
Hi, I've seen you have removed the colonies and protectorates from the French Union list (article head's warbox) except France, Vietnam and Cambodia. Actually this is a mistake. As you probably know French governments had forbidden the use of metropolitan troops for the Indochina War so they sent their colonial forces instead. These forces included battalions of Tunisian, Morrocan, Algerian, Senegalese (more precisely it was called A.O.F. for French West Africa), but there were French Indochina troops as well including Thai, Cambodian and Laotian. This is well known fact in Europe actually. Here is a list of the North African troops in Indochina -in English- you should have a look at it to understand what was the actual situation. Please note Morroco and Tunisia were not colonies like French Algeria was, as protectorates they had their own national flags. I worked on the French version article, there is a chart separating the troops by their homeland. Hope it helps. Cliché Online 16:46, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

casus belli
since you seems to be on casus belli you have to change the one of the Vietnam War article since the one used in the Indochina War was a cut and paste from Vietnam with additional Colonialism term. Paris By Night 12:11, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

French Expeditionary Corps (Italy)
Hello - Wondering about the title of this article. The use of (Italy) after the name implies, by Wiki military unit naming convention, that this is an Italian rather than French military unit. As redundant as it might look, French Expeditionary Corps (France) might be a better choice, or French Expeditionary Corps in Italy (France). Cheers, W. B. Wilson 03:10, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter: Issue XV (May 2007)
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Division Sorting.
Hello Carl,

Sorry, I didn't mean to work at cross-purposes to you. If you wish to use your plan, go ahead. I started organizing the category sorting because it seemed that very many divisions would be listed under "i" (infantry divisions). I'll leave the sort order alone. Cheers W. B. Wilson 15:38, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey, somebody noticed--thank you
Hi Carl--Thanks for your input on the Second Hundred Years' War. Do you have any other ideas? I know it isn't widely recognized but I've seen it used enough by significant historians and decided to "be bold." I tried to integrate it into Wikipedia, but I'm sure it could be done better. Baronplantagenet 20:20, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Somme
Yes, the first day of the Battle of the Somme was a bloodbath and produced a casualty list matched or exceeded only by the civilian deaths at Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden and Hamburg. I have no problem with your removing the word "contest" but, to be fair, its usage is as valid in combat as it is in tennis. --Anthony.bradbury"talk" 21:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

3rd Algerian Infantry Division (France)
Hello Carl,

Just added this article. If you get a chance, please look it over and edit appropriately. It is a stub at the moment.

Thanks, W. B. Wilson 15:42, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Tack så mycket! W. B. Wilson 03:59, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

French corps
Thanks for the note yesterday please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history --Philip Baird Shearer 16:42, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Point d'Appui
hi that's me, do you know a fine translation for "Point d'Appui", (they were used during the battle for dien bien phu as Eliane, etc.)? i need this for the battle for paris. i found "pressure point" sounds weird, sounds like kind of surgery term. "stronghold" is not correct since it is "place forte". well if you find it let me know. takk. Paris By Night 17:00, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * p.s. and "outpost" is "poste avancé". Paris By Night 17:09, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

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Well after DBP with the French, US tactics used, in the 60, the "fire support base" for the same purpose, in much minor scale, as the one of "Point d'appui".

Takima (talk) 15:48, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter: Issue XVI (June 2007)
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3RR and Mélissa Theuriau
Please be aware of the WP:3RR rule when editing the Mélissa Theuriau article. Jauerback 16:07, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Grand Alliance
Carl, I am 3/4 of the way through rewriting the WOTGA article - merging it with the WOTGA European Theatre article (which will be 'deleted') to form a single, hopefully better, article. I will also change the name to Nine Years War. All articles that use the name WOTGA or War of the League of Augsburg will be changed to the new modern name so we have some consistency throughout. It'll be ready in a few weeks. Raymond Palmer 14:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

French Army etc
I think my lead is better and more commonly used on Wikipedia. Have you even bothered to read articles on other non-English speaking armed forces for comparison? Carl Logan 13:30, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes. See the German Armed Forces for instance (Luftwaffe, German Army, etc). I think the French names have to be in bold, because, among others, they are the OFFICIALS names, used even by militaries of english-speaking countries, as well as historic names. Stymphal 13:47, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject coordinator selection
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The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XVIII (August 2007)
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Franco-Dahomean Wars
Hi :) nice to make ur acquintance (yeah im a terrible speller).  Just wanted to thank you for your contribs to the Franco-Dahomean Wars.  I'm not that experienced with formating and I appreciate ur arduous work on the footnote/references.  good catch btw on the unit Dodds was from.  Feel free to holla at me if u ever need help on any Africana-related subjects.  that's my passion.  Take care!  :)  Scott Free 17:02, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Albigensian Crusade
Having discussed the withdrawal of GA with LuciferMorgan, I give notice that I am sitting down with the three classic original source texts (Puylaurens, Vaux-de-Cernay and de Tudèle - the last in the Livre de Poche edition as the Martin-Chabot is long out of print) to add the missing inline citations to this page. I do not intend at this point to make any textual alterations, but if comments are made which are NOT justified, be prepared to state your sources now. Jel 17:08, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey Carl,

This is just a drive-by "Thank you"; over the past few months, you've made minor tweaks and improvements to various of my articles, and such work seems to be going unappreciated. I'd like to give you my sincere thanks for what you've been doing! Carre 15:07, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XX (October 2007)
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[[Image:Flag of France.svg|45px]] WikiProject Newsletter n°1
Bonjour and welcome to the first WikiProject France newsletter!! It should become a monthly special of our project, but until the next issue, here are some points to consider for the month:
 * In an effort to determine the active members from the inactive, all members are asked to simply sign on my special userpage.
 * I have slightly rearranged and updated the Project page, putting all the featured lists in collapsible tables. This unclutteres the page and you only have to see them if you want to. Give your feelings at the talk page.
 * I have made a Wikipedia advert for our project, Image:Qxz-ad108.gif, what do you think? Personally I feel the words need improving ...
 * There are still map problems at Template:French commune - any help at resolving them would be greatly appreciated.
 * What about starting a monthly drive? We currently have no Featured Portals (except for the Basque Portal which really isn't French any way), so how about improving Portal:France??? I don't know what's exactly wrong but the criteria can be seen at Featured portal criteria.

It doesn't seem like a lot, so I hope we will still have enough problems for nexts months issue. Salut till the next issue, Chris DHDR (17:13, 10 November 2007 (UTC)).

Algerian War Genocide Category
Hello, my reason for the addition of the tag is not to say if it was or was not a genocide, but rather it addresses the fact that certain groups and individuals have claimed it as such. It is a touchy subject, and one that tends to garnish an emotional reaction for either side of the debate. Atari400 17:36, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXI (November 2007)
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[[Image:Flag of France.svg|45px]] WikiProject Newsletter n°2
It's been one high aiming month! The French WikiProject and related pages have been aiming high for Christmas - and have received an equal number of presents in return! Well, that's this issue. Au revoir et à bientôt till the next time,  Chris DHDR (19:00, 9 December 2007 (UTC)).
 * The French Portal is now a Featured Portal!!! It passed its Candidacy with 100%. Special thanks go to NYArtsnWords and all those that have made this Portal work.
 * The Newsletter has made it to a second issue. You can find its page at WikiProject France/Outreach/Newsletter and its archives at WikiProject France/Outreach/Newsletter/Archives.
 * A new page has been setup (WikiProject France/Links) to provide an index of the Projects/Portals pages (as well as helping newbees). When creating any pages in the Project/Portal namespace, please add them to the index page. This page also give WP:FRANCE members a handy watchlist.
 * As like last time, members are asked to renew their memberships at WikiProject France/Members.
 * I will be on holiday when the next issue is meant to come out so could some generous person(s) please do the next issue at WikiProject France/Outreach/Newsletter.

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Churchill and de Gaulle
Hi. I reverted your change regarding the ordre, but I agree with you that the paragraph wasn't good and would need sources. The two men were rivals, as is evident by what they both wrote about each other afterwards, but the paragraph could still be better. Not sure about my own revert and if you change it back I won't object. Cheers JdeJ (talk) 08:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Good and well-motivated reply, and I agree with you; "rivals" is the wrong word. JdeJ (talk) 13:08, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Categories
Hi Carl,

I see you've recently recategorised a few stubby/start articles I created on French generals in the Peninsular War. Could you let me know what the "rules" are for such categories: when is a general in "commanders", and when in just "military personnel"? Just so I don't make the mistakes in the future, and thanks for correcting those details (and many others in articles I've written ;) ). Carre (talk) 17:02, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject coordinator election
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GIGN in hitman : contracts
Hi,

Agent 47 has to deal with the French POLICE so it cannot be the GIGN (GENDARMERIE, Army). It's probably the GIPN or the RAID. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.83.73.194 (talk) 13:01, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

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Robert Nivelle
Firstly, Carl Logan, thank you for the recent additions you have made to the Robert Nivelle article. They have significantly improved it.

I would like to ask if you could make any further additions to the article, if that is possible. You seem to have a good amount of knowledge regarding Nivelle, and it would be good if that could be reproduced onto this article. I am working to improve the article as well, but I have access to only a small amount of historical literature regarding him. Thanks for reading. EasyPeasy21 (talk) 14:28, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The article is currently on GA hold, as it requires more info, particularly concerning his legacy and early life. If you are able to add to it by July 21, when the review ends, I would be very gratful.  Thanks in advance.  EasyPeasy21 (talk) 22:53, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

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Wikimania 2010 could be coming to Stockholm!
I'm leaving you a note as you may be interested in this opportunity.

People from all six Nordic Wiki-communities (sv, no, nn, fi, da and is) are coordinating a bid for Wikimania 2010 in Stockholm. I'm sending you a message to let you know that this is occurring, and over the next few months we're looking for community support to make sure this happens! See the bid page on meta and if you like such an idea, please sign the "supporters" list at the bottom. Tack (or takk), and have a wonderful day! Mike H. Fierce! 08:45, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

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WikiProject France newsletter
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 * [[Image:Crystal_128_desktop.png|22px]] The project has recently experienced a complete redesign. The Outreach department has also undergone a major expansion, and this newsletter is the result of that.
 * The review department is currently under development, with several new proposals underway. Internal peer review had begun on the page of the project's Review Department. The department currently provides a centralized platform off all currently open reviews throughout the project (Featured Articles, Peer Reviews, Good Articles, Articles for Deletion, Categories for Discussion, etc.)
 * A new task force has been introduced: the Paris task force. Any users interested in contributing to the taskforce can join on the project page.
 * There is a current discussion about merging the French Communes WikiProject into ours. This communes project will be organised as a task force.

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Notifications
! Complete project tasks Complete To Do List
 * Several new user has joined the project this last month: Jordan Timothy James Busson, Djwilms and Mcewan. Welcome! Please come stop by the talk page to join in our discussions.
 * Lazulilasher has been awarded the French Barnstar of National Merit for his contributions to this project. Congratulations!
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Médaille militaire
Thanks for your editing of my recent changes to Ardant du Picq, Thomas Robert Bugeaud, and Louis Gabriel Suchet. Anything to make these neglected biographies is appreciated. Monsieurdl   mon talk-mon contribs 21:46, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion of Victor Iturria
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Tonkinese Rifles
Hello Djwilms, I have noticed that you have created an article about the Tonkinese Rifles. I have previously created the Senegalese Tirailleurs article about its Sub-Saharan counterpart. As you notice, I have chosen to approach the translation of the unit name differently, keeping the Tirailleur part and just translating the regional name and switching the order.

I naturally prefer my solution in translating the name, my key reasons being: 1. Tiralleur doesn’t mean rifle or even rifleman 2. There is actually an English wikipedia article about tiralleurs 3. Naming them rifles is just copying the British name for similar units in their service.

Although I must acknowledge that many authors writing in English prefer your solution, a notable example being Bernard B. Fall in his books about Indochina. In either case, I think that a unified policy concerning the articles in question would be preferably so we don’t get a situation with articles like the Moroccan Rifles, Algerian Tirailleurs and so forth. Additionally, when articles are created about individual regiments, I have though of using the style “1st Algerian Tirallieur Regiment”. Carl Logan (talk) 17:18, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Carl,


 * When I created the article I was aware of the other articles you mention, and pondered for some time whether to give it the title 'Tonkinese Rifles', 'Tirailleurs tonkinois' or, on the model of your own article, 'Tonkinese Tirailleurs'. I chose the title Tonkinese Rifles because, despite its drawbacks (as you say, tirailleur doesn't mean rifle or rifleman), it is a recognised title in English.  I think most readers interested in learning more about the various French tirailleur units will have come across them in books like Bernard Fall's, under the name 'riflemen'.  I've just flipped through Henry McAleavy's Black Flags in Vietnam, which I happen to have by me at the moment, and note that he refers to the tirailleurs annamites as 'Cochinchinese riflemen'.


 * For what it's worth, in my forthcoming book on the Sino-French War I have used the terms 'Algerian riflemen' or 'Turcos' for the tirailleurs algériens (four battalions of Turcos were in Tonkin at the height of the war), 'Annamese riflemen' or matas for the tirailleurs annamites (several companies were involved in the 1883 and 1884 battles in Tonkin), and Tonkinese riflemen or linh tap for the tirailleurs tonkinois. In battle descriptions I sometimes call them 'skirmishers'.  For the names of individual units, I use formulations such as 1st Battalion, 3rd Algerian Rifle Regiment, 2nd Tonkinese Rifle Regiment, etc.


 * I agree that consistent usage would be desirable; and as you will probably have gathered, my own preference would be for the English term 'Rifles': thus, 'Senegalese Rifles', not 'Senegalese Tirailleurs'. But I quite see the logic of your own solution, so I wouldn't oppose a change of title to 'Tonkinese Tirailleurs' if there was support for it.  Perhaps other contributors might have a view?


 * By the way, on the subject of the Turcos, I still haven't satisfactorily identified the four battalions present in Tonkin during the Sino-French War. I have established their basic organisation (see below), but have not yet found any source that gives the correct designation of Comoy's battalion (it is referred to as the '4th Battalion' tout court).  You wouldn't happen to know, would you?


 * 1st Battalion, 3rd Algerian Rifle Regiment (chefs de bataillon Jouneau and Godon, Captains Godinet, Noirot, Carles and Massip)


 * 2nd Battalion, 1st Algerian Rifle Regiment (chefs de bataillon, Letellier and Hessling, Captains Servant, Cannebotin, Omar ben Chaouch and Ligrisse)


 * 3rd Battalion, 3rd Algerian Rifle Regiment (chef de bataillon de Mibielle, Captains Camper, Chirouze, Polère and Valet)


 * 4th Battalion (chef de bataillon Comoy, Captains Gérôme, Boëlle, Bigot and Rollandes).


 * I'll be doing another article shortly on the tirailleurs annamites and the chasseurs annamites. There's another interesting translation problem.  What does one call a chasseur in English?  Should the article be entitled 'Annamese Light Infantry'?


 * Djwilms (talk) 01:20, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I recognise your point and of course I agree, we should strive to make it easier to find the articles for the general reader, but I would argue that the use of rifleman instead of tirailleurs are more common in older books while today the use of just tirailleurs is more common. Both Henry McAleavy's and Bernad Fall’s books are from the sixties, while authors like Martin Windrow, Douglas Porch and Anthony Clayton uses tirailleur in their books about the French military. On the other hand it might have more to do with how speciallist the author.


 * The Algerian Tirailleur regiments did have four battalions instead of the normal three; it was do to the great demand in Algeria to join the tirailleurs so in 1865 Napoleon III expanded the regiments to four battalions each. I note that the 2nd Regiment don’t have the “Extreme-Orient 1884-1885” battle honour the 1st and 3rd have for the service during the Sino-French War so I don’t think it that regiments fourth battalion. Instead it seems logical that it is the fourth battalion of the 1st Regiment, each regiment sending two battalions are more likely than one send three and the other just one. It also fits 1st and 3rd battalions from the 3rd Regiment together with the 2nd and 4th from the 1st Regiment.


 * Personally I don’t like the translation of chasseur as light infantry, it suffers from the same problem tirailleur/rifleman does and additional there where Light Infantry Regiment (Régiment d'Infanterie Légère) in the French Army until 1854 and after that there was still the battalions of the Light Infantry of Africa (Infanterie Legere d'Afrique), the penal units of the French Army. Chasseur is, together with tirailleur, one of few cases I favour keeping the French word, like I have done with the 9th Parachute Chasseur Regiment article. Additional there is also the case with Jäger units that existed in Germanic-speaking countries where Wikipedia often keep the German word Jäger. Carl Logan (talk) 18:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your thoughts on Comoy's battalion. It would indeed make sense for it to have been the 4th Battalion of the 1st Algerian Rifle Regiment.  I recently bought Anthony Clayton's Histoire de l'armée française en Afrique, hoping for enlightenment there, but while he gives a lot of interesting information on the other formations he says very little about Turco organisation.  Just one paragraph would have been enough, but it's not there.


 * Ah yes, the good old African Light Infantry, whose presence in Tonkin did so much to reconcile the long-suffering Tonkinese to French rule. General de Courcy called them 'the dregs of the army', and he should have known.  It might have been better if the army ministry had sent both battalions earmarked for the Far East (the 2nd and the 3rd) to Keelung, where they could slaughter the Chinese without annoying civilians.  They deserve a Wikipedia article, perhaps under that name.  In my book, and in some of my Wikipedia Sino-French War battle articles, I usually call them zéphyrs, just as I usually call the Algerians Turcos.  You might enjoy the following paragraph from Captain Garnot's book on the Formosa expedition.  Being a zéphyr officer, I suppose he had to stick up for his men, but I think it's easy enough to read between the lines:


 * The African battalion was a remarkable unit. The chasseurs were all young soldiers, who had joined the battalion after a spell either in military prison or in the workhouse.  They had all fallen foul of the law many times before their call to the colours.  They called themselves the zéphyrs or 'happy ones' (les joyeux).  Not one had a clean charge sheet.  They are always ready to steal and loot.  They like to make a show of being indisciplined, but they are not really. They are quick to crime, but also capable of good actions.  The crucial thing is to have the sense to overlook their defects for the sake of their good qualities.   Eager for a chance of fame, they count their lives as little, and are determined to win notice by getting themselves into the most extravagant scrapes.  Accustomed to a harsh life in southern Algeria, they are used to a daily round of fatigues and privations.  With nothing to expect from life, they make poor soldiers in garrison, where they freely indulge their baser instincts.  But on campaign, especially a demanding campaign, they become wonderful instruments of combat, thanks to their endurance and their unbelievable spirit of adventure.  Such men must be led by an officer with an iron grasp, but with deep reserves of humanity and justice.  He should be a man of few words, sparing of advice and praise, but prompt in decision and quick to enforce his will.  The zéphyr becomes an incomparable soldier as soon as he grasps that the will of his officer will, in the final analysis, overbear his own, and that his officer will always give him the protection and justice which he has a right to expect.  Do not ask him just to carry out the bare minimum of the army's daily tasks, but use him to the limit.  Punish him without pity, but let the punishment fit the crime.  The battalion has a saying, that the joyeux needs his bread, his loan, and his prison cell.


 * Does Douglas Porch use tirailleur? That's a very strong point in favour of your own usage.  I'll have a look at his book on the Legion tonight, see how he deals with the problem, and get back to you.  I think he is one of the few writers on the French army in English who has managed to deal with French terminology sensibly, so that it doesn't intrude too much.  A couple of years ago I read Martin Windrow's The Last Valley, on Dien Bien Phu.  I enjoyed it very much, and thought that overall it was very well written, but I couldn't cope with the alphabet soup he used when referring to French and Vietnamese units.  You had to keep on referring to the order of battle in the Appendix to work out who he was talking about.


 * Djwilms (talk) 01:21, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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