User talk:CaroleHenson/Archive 13

JohnBob Carlos Bio Article
Hi Carole, this article was vandalized on 11 August 2017 by a mobile user. Can you add a semi protection to the page to be edited by auto confirmed users? Thank for always lending a hand. ~LisD

Holocaust Article - Section WWII
Good morning Carole,

I just saw today your message - I am so slow with technology (I don't know how to use a cell phone) !

You wrote: "I have no idea what you mean about me removing citation information."

Carole, I put 2 sentences, below “WWII”, which nobody removed, explaining correct link between WWII, a context, and Holocaust. Then, I found the citation by Doris Bergen, that I thought it was good to add as per wiki regulations. I added Bergen’s citation, without using template, as I was not sure how to do it (sometimes, I could figure it out!).

Then, Carole, you removed my 2 sentences about link between Holocaust and WWII and the citation, because I didn’t put them in template.

I would have appreciated it if you would have kept the 2 sentences and put the citation in correct template.

I still think that the my addition with reliable source is important. Can you please, reconsider and add them back with using template for citation. I am now reading Longerich who also noticed the relationship between WWII and Holocaust.

I am really really trying hard to learn, improve, and listen to suggestions. My goal is to improve wiki with collaboration so wiki is good for everybody!

I have been considered very good at presenting the Holocaust, in an encyclopedic manner, so the public (I gave lectures) and students could understand the: what, who, where, why and when (I add the how ;-)

Thank you Carole for helping me being better!Henia Perlman (talk) 16:55, 9 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I moved this to the article talk page, Talk:The Holocaust to keep it with the article related discussions.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:33, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Messages
Thanks Carole for your explanation! I think I got it. I only use my computer, as I hardly know how to use my cell phone ;-)

Have a wonderful week-end Carole!Henia Perlman (talk) 21:27, 9 June 2017 (UTC)


 * My pleasure, . I hope you have a lovely weekend, too.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:16, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Barrio Puerto - translation discussion
Hi Carol,

Thanks for your previous message, and the tips you provided.

My name is Edgardo [you can just call me Ed], and I translated the Barrio puerto article, just for the purpose of getting the article ready for an upcoming edit-a-thon, next Friday (June 16th). I did this, as a way to detect possible editing conflicts.

This edithaton has been coordinated with Wikimedia Chile, and its purpose is to foster Sustainable Tourism in Valparaiso.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Encuentros/I_Editat%C3%B3n_Upla-Inacap_2017:_Turismo_sustentable

We have been provided with a series of documents regarding specific places in Valparaíso, namely, different places in Barrio puerto y Cerro Alegre. We received this document from the Tourism department in Municipalidad de Valparaiso, as an valuable input for our activity.

Therefore, we are expecting to add more information this Friday, based on these documents we got from the Municipalidad de Valparaiso.

That is why I d like to ask your advice to avoid any further conflict, starting by following your tips.

Best Regards, Ed

--Adriano Segundo (talk) 01:57, 11 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi ,


 * I would be happy to help out, let me know how I can help. I had a hard time finding sources in English - or ones in Spanish that were easy enough for me to use translate.google.com / figure it out based upon what I can remember of Spanish, etc. So it would be good to get your input on the article.


 * Regarding sources, perhaps some of this will help:
 * There are also books at this google books query - and the citations can be formatted by copying the url to http://reftag.appspot.com/ and it will format the citations first in fields and then in reference.
 * Perhaps more content from this journal article (already used once in the article and can be used for subsequent used by it's ref name. Just type for the citation).
 * As a side note, often articles from tourism sites have a promotional tone, so it's good to watch out that doesn't care over to the article.


 * I hope you have fun at your edit-a-thon! I'll come back and do another review after the 16th.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:56, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

German occupied Europe
You asked me to put suggestion at talk of article, but I thought to post to Simon, Eadgy? and Simon And the title id "German-Occupied Europe (not territories)

Here my message to Simon:

German occupied Europe
I am not sure if you see Simon messages, so here it it for you too: German occupied Europe Suggestion without undue weight[edit source] Here it is:

German–occupied Europe or Nazi Europe refers to the sovereign countries of Europe, INCLUDING FRENCH NORTH AFRICA (ref. 1) which were occupied by the military forces of Nazi Germany at various times between 1939 and 1945 and administered by the Nazi regime.(ref. 2)

Ref. 1: Shoah - Block 27 http://auschwitz.org/en/visiting/national-exhibitions/shoah-block-27 Map of Nazi-occupied Europe (inclusive of French North Africa in map of Europe and in narrative) http://culture.pl/en/event/new-permanent-exhibition-at-auschwitz-birkenau https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/media-room/news-archive/opening-new-permanent-exhibition-%E2%80%9Cshoah%E2%80%9D-auschwitz-birkenau “

… the new exhibition, which is divided into several galleries. They are devoted to such things as Jewish life before the war, the ideology of the Nazis and the extermination of Jews within the Nazi-occupied Europe.” http://auschwitz.org/en/visiting/national-exhibitions/shoah-block-27 http://auschwitz.org/en/museum/news/shoah-new-exhibition-in-block-27-light-of-remembrance-for-avner-shalev-,1016.html “the story of the Jews that were persecuted and murdered, here and across the European continent”

“In November 1942, … French North Africa … this extension of Europe ...” Kaspi, André Les Juifs pendant l'occupation. Seuil, Paris: Éditions du Seuil 1991; p. 175.

http://www.shalom-magazine.com/pdfs/41/Fr/KAMPE%20FR_41.pdf
 * German Map of Europe of the German general staff dated 20, 1942; in p. 3 of article written by Dr. Norbert Kampe, historian and then Director of the Wannsee House, and published in SHALOM/VOL. XLI/PRINTEMPS 2004/PESSAH 5764

German map of Europe http://www.diercke.de/kartenansicht.xtp?artId=978-3-14-100770-1&seite=62&id=15966&kartennr=1# Yad Vashem writes: “Under the French-German cease-fire agreement, North Africa was considered part of unoccupied Vichy France” http://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word%20-%205726.pdf

Ref. 2: Encyclopædia Britannica, German occupied Europe. World War II. Retrieved 1 September 2015 from the Internet Archive.

I just now read messages by Carole and Eadgylt (I think), and I am truly sorry. But I am trying hard. I also thought to share with you my research, as I am planning to edit more:

France, mentioned in the article, was and is a transcontinental country, which, during WWII included mainland France or the Metropole, and France d’outre-mer (overseas) which included the 91, 92, 93, 94 departments in French Algeria, an integral part of the French republic, and the two French protectorate of Morocco and Tunisia; according to Kaspi there were 700,000 Jews living there (300,000 in mainland France and 400,000 in French North Africa). Kaspi, André Les Juifs pendant l'occupation. Seuil, Paris: Éditions du Seuil 1991; p. 177

In his book Himmler A Life, Longerich writes that in December 1942, Himmler discussed with Hitler the destruction of 600-700.000 Jews of France: “… there are currently at least 1.5 million deadly enemies of the Axis living … in the previously part of France, namely 600,000-700,000 Jews… ‘The Fuhrer gave orders that the Jews and other enemies in France should be arrested and deported. This should take place, however, only once he has spoken with Laval about it. It is a matter of 6-700.000 Jews.’" in ch. 21. The Murder of the European Jews, p. 648. Longerich tells about the fate of the Jews in French North Africa as part of the Holocaust in France, in his “brief survey of the fate of the Jews in the countries occupied by and allied with Germany” and the “systematic murder of the Jews of Europe” (Longerich, Peter (2010). Holocaust: The Nazi Persecution and Murder of the Jews. Oxford; New York: Oxford University Press; p. 435, and p. 492). “Included in the 700,000 Jews for unoccupied France are those of the North African colonies.” p. 307. “… the Jews of French North Africa, who had already been included among the victims of the coming ‘Final Solution’ envisaged at the Wannsee Conference.” p. 391

A successor to the Madagascar project In his note for Himmler Eichmann wrote that this project would encompass ‘a total of some 5.8 million Jews’, … four million …Madagascar project. Planning had evidently been extended in the meantime to include German allies and satellites in Estern Europe and the Jews in the French colonies. p. 173.

Madagascar project … Rademacher’s August memo … he now estimated the number of Jews to be sent to Madagascar as 6.5 million, an indication that the Jews from south-east Europe as well as those from the French colonies in North Africa were to be included. p. 510.

Yehuda Bauer, Academic Advisor to YV, tells about the fate of the Jews in French North Africa in his section on the Jews in Europe in his book A History of the Holocaust, (1982), (p. 248): “ten: WESTERN EUROPEAN JEWRY, 1940-1944 FRANCE Algerian Jews under Vichy Rule (p. 256) In Algeria ... Cremieux ... Simialr measures ... in Morocco and Tunisia. ... Haven and London: Yale University Press, 2001

I am going to sleep. Thank you Simon, Eadgy?, and Carole.Henia Perlman (talk) 08:38, 11 June 2017 (UTC)Henia Perlman (talk) 08:53, 11 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, I am not sure if there's anything you're asking of me here. It seems to be an FYI (for your information) message.


 * You're working with Simon /, so posting something on his talk page to work on developing content, citations, etc. is a good thing. I just meant that otherwise, content should be posted on the article talk page.


 * Yes, in general, I have been taking a peak at your contributions.–CaroleHenson (talk) 13:40, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

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Moved message that was accidently hidden in a table above:
 * I would be very happy if you included Ramesses III Dna and Pentawer into the wiki page about Dna history of Egypt. Thanks if you do.Also I created that page to only state Egypt Ancient Dna so perhaps can I recreate it. I wasn't including modern DNA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juggab (talk • contribs) June 12, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, I copied that info from Genetics of Ancient Egypt to DNA history of Egypt with this edit.


 * There is a section regarding ancient DNA already, it seems like it is duplicative and it's better to have the greater context of ancient and modern DNA, per the last sentence of that section. In addition, this article is already well-cited and has many links to it... so it is more likely that it will be read by people looking for information about the subject.

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 * It's better not to create articles about the same subject, and is one of the reasons for which articles are deleted.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:20, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I had to revert your edit. The material added re: DNA is actually not supported in the cited reference (from 1982, no less). The majority of DNA evidence supports a local, rather than a Subsaharan origin for Egyptians.
 * Cheers, &Lambda; u α  (Operibus anteire) 02:12, 13 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you,, I didn't have access to the source and AGF'd.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:15, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Reading Creek
Carole, thank you for your help. I quite new at this, have only made a few articles. I've been adding articles for all rivers/streams in Bucks County, PA, my sources have been Place Name in Bucks County, 1955 by MacReynolds, GNIS from the USGS, and the PA Gazateer of Streams by PA DEP. This is such a small stream there wasn't much information other than Google. The gazateer did have some info, it was in there, I might add it back in. In the other articles, I got the info from them as primary source and would throw in some Google Maps stuff as an addition. I appreciate help from you experienced folks. One question, though. Since Reading Creek is a tributary of Arrowhead Spring Creek, which is a tributary of the West Branch Neshaminy, which is a tributary of the Neshaminy, and it's a tributary of the Delaware (ad nauseum), would the article not be correct as "Reading Creek (Arrowhead Spring Creek)", as opposed to "Reading Creek (West Branch Neshaminy Creek)"? When browsing the categories such as Rivers of Bucks County and of PA, I note that some are named by political regions, but, most are named by the distributary stream. I like the distributary stream better. Anyway, I'll have to check out your sources, might be able to use them in the future. Thanks, again. Also, on my user page, the "todo list" would be better on the user page rather than the talk page? I'll work on moving the list. Thanks,Are1718 (talk) 02:34, 13 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for catching the difference between primary and secondary sources, and that secondary sources are preferred.


 * In general, your sources make sense. It would be better if there was something newer than 1955, but as long as you know any reliable source that is newer would take precedence if there's a difference, that's fine.


 * I couldn't find anything that said that Reading Creek was a tributary of Arrowhead Spring Creek. Did you, by chance, read the source that said that Reading Creek is a tributary of West Branch Neshaminy Creek? It seems to me that I found it in other sources and can look for those if you'd like. That is why I changed the article name.


 * There's no right or wrong on categories by political area vs. distributary stream - whatever is applicable should be used. But if you say that it's a river in a county of Pennsylvania, the category for rivers in Pennsylvania isn't needed.


 * I did have a question, though, about it being listed as a tributary of the Delaware -- as I saw that the Reading Creek is part of the Cross(hitch??)-Neshaminy watershed... so it's a bit removed. But, I don't know if I'm right or not about categorization in that case. As an aside to that point, categories should generally not be applied unless there is cited content within the article that states the connection. Perhaps we can ask a question at the Delaware River article about this -- not as many people read Category talk. We also should probably  summarize some of this on the article talk page. I'll take care of it.


 * Yes, it would be better to put your "to do" list on the user page. Thanks so much!–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:31, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

So, I was wondering about Reading Creek being a tributary of Arrowhead or West Branch. I got from Google that Arrowhead is the west branch as well as the main branch, so, I browsed every link in the GeoHack, some didn't address it at all, some named the two branches and not the main, some labeled the main Arrowhead, some Reading. So, it's located about 15 minutes from my work so I drove there. The main branch is Reading. I figure the locals and the highway department know better than the cartographers. I know, that's original research, so I won't use it directly, but it helped to determine who's right. Referring to my article format, I used the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Rivers as a basis as well as articles of rivers by others as examples. That's why I have lists, etc. Also, in the case of using maps as sources I refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Using_maps_and_similar_sources_in_Wikipedia_articles. I don't read anything into the map that's not already there such as using google distance calculator to calculate the river's length, I guess that would be original research, but, using the obvious data that's there. Sort of like if I read in a book or an article 'Reading Creek is here, and here, and in this township, etc.", seems to me like the map is sorta a graphical representation of the creek is 'here, and there, and in this place'. But, now I realize that I need to refer to many maps to verify what I may not be able to otherwise, many are incorrect. I'm glad you found the 'Water Sources' site as my searches had not found it. Thanks for that. On the subject of categories, I'll concede the landforms category, others had put streams there so I followed suit, I guess rivers and streams are 'waterforms' whereas landforms are mountains, valleys, and so forth. As far as River of Pennsylvania, I just now thought about it. the category 'Rivers of Pennsylvania' has many links way before my time, so, that's why I had included it, 'write by example, as it were. I'm not sure if I should leave that alone or not. My articles include a link to the main article 'Lists of Rivers of Pennsylvania', so adding the category I guess would be redundant. There's even a category 'Rivers of the U.S. But anyway, the MacReynolds book I referred to earlier has many mountains, rivers (creeks), and place names in it that have no articles. I would like to put up articles about them in an historical perspective as many don't have now, and including current condition as compared to historical. It was easier to do one type at a time, rivers, mountains, etc. Not trying to be argumentative, just asking. Thanks. I note that you included citation tags in the West Bank Neshaminy article. I deleted them and included two for each line item. Is this correct or would a single tag for the section be more appropriate, not sure how to do that? I have had suggestions by a number of more experienced users and I thank you all for that. Oops! Forgot my name tag.Are1718 (talk) 03:39, 18 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi ,
 * I answered the questions regarding Reading Creek at Talk:Reading Creek (West Branch Neshaminy Creek).
 * Regarding using one google maps citation for all the municipalities for West Branch Neshaminy Creek (Neshaminy Creek), I removed those citations. 1) You have a published source, which is much better. 2) If you're going to use google maps, you should really use a citation for each municipality and a point at which the creek flows through that area.
 * I added something to Talk:Arrowhead Spring Creek (Reading Creek) about the name change. I don't see a published source for this move - nor had I seen anything that said that Arrowhead was a tributary of Reading Creek.–CaroleHenson (talk) 04:54, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Carole, for all your help and patience, I'll keep working on it. Are1718 (talk) 11:14, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! Holocaust article
I have to go to sleep, but I want to thank you again for your patience and help! You are really wonderful!

Carole, I can definitely state that the article is not neutral, as per my experience with people who have manipulated quotations to promote a certain perspective on history of the Holocaust. I did write a review of an anti-Israel textbook in the school of my children, and the school had to remove the book - it was not easy!

But not now I am older, and cannot learn the technology of Wiki.

Thanks again and be well!Henia Perlman (talk) 05:35, 13 June 2017 (UTC)


 * It's my pleasure to add tips on your user talk page. Regarding getting around Wikipedia, Irondome is your mentor and can help you navigate content changes to Wikipedia, unless you've decided not to add content anymore, per the discussion on his page.


 * I will respond re: The Holocaust on that talk page.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:55, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Henia is taking a break, not reading message, but not ignoring you
Hi Simon, Ealdgyth, Carol, and other editors,

I am taking a break from wiki, and therefore not reading more messages. I am writing draft of responses to the Holocaust after 1939 (Evian, Kindertransport…), before the war, and after the war (Varian Fry …). I am not ignoring you, but Wiki says that it’s good to take a break.

Simon, I thank you from all my heart for your patient mentorship. I decided to end it yesterday, because you, Carol, Ealdgyth, and others who voluntarily have been formatting my sources, or commented on the pertinence of my editing have helped a lot, but I feel that, because of my old brain, technology will remain a challenge. I also know from my personal experience that I learn better by doing and improving with guidance and discussion from many different editors.

I thank you in advance for your patience, ollaboration, and letting me edit, without “biting” me. Wiki states that newcomers who are experts on the subject are a positive addition in editing.

In good faith, I started to edit in a thoughtful way, using source, and attentively reading your guidelines that I printed, and wiki material. I explained the editing in the summary and the Talk of the article.

I didn’t delete “North Africa” “as a matter of principle,” but after I had checked Longerich, where it does not appear. I also found out that Kershaw wrote almost the same sentence, like the one in the article, with the incorrect inclusion of “North Africa” in the 11 millions, in p. 35 of Niewyk’s book, The Holocaust. I remembered that, because I thought that Kershaw maybe confused. I also copied from Yad Vashem and didn’t put quotations marks. I noticed that sometimes, not in the case of the long paragraphs of Yad Vashem, after 20 yrs of Holocaust study, I know sentences of scholars, by heart!

I read in Wiki: After one changes a page, others who read it can choose whether or not to further edit. When editors do not reach agreement by editing, discussion on the associated talk pages continues the process toward consensus.

I welcome your understanding of my shortcomings, your good faith collaboration, and your objections. I will listen to all of them attentively, “try to understand why, respond politely and assume good faith.”

I sincerely apologize for saying that the article is not neutral and acknowledge the hard work of other editors; I should have explained that it was what my 1000s and members of the public, who came to my Holocaust lectures, told me. That’s why, upon my retirement, I decided to be involved and collaborate in improving it.

I will “take the time and effort to explain why I think my suggestion(s) might be preferable, and “resolve disputes calmly, through civil discussion and consensus-building on relevant discussion pages. Please remember that we are all here for more or less the same reason. … Wikipedia is not about winning

1. “If someone disagrees with {me}, I will make sure {I} try to understand why! Listen to the others, and take the time and effort to explain why {I} think {my} suggestion(s) might be preferable.

2. assume good faith for as long as possible.

3. Take it slow (that’s why I didn’t answer immediately to your messages, and went zumba or did other things, as suggested by Wiki). There is no time limit for a discussion.

4. It is easy to misjudge other editors' moods and intentions, especially when disagreements or discussions are heated. {I will} Make {my} proposals and responses clear; listen carefully to opposing arguments and/or criticism, and be prepared to prove that {I am} listening actively - concentrate, understand, respond and then remember what is being said. … Because everyone has different memories, the speaker and the listener may attach different meanings to the same statement.

Ambushing occurs when one listens to someone else's argument for its weaknesses and ignore its strengths. if one finds that the other party understands, an atmosphere of cooperation can be created. Listeners need only restate, in their own language, their impression of the expression of the sender. ... Still, learning to do Active Listening well is a rather difficult task (I have told you that I am slow and thank you for your patience)

5. Assume the best about people whenever possible – this includes assuming that others are doing likewise.

6. I sincerely apologize, in good faith. 7. 8. I will take a break, and read your messages later – I am not ignoring you. Go get some fresh air, and go more to the gym.

Remember that Wikipedia is a hobby … Keep a good community spirit up and make good edits as a community.

I am not always right, and I know that I don’t know.

… Wikipedia is not about winning ” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution

Thank you and have a good night! Henia Perlman (talk) 03:19, 14 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Have a lovely break and when you come back, I hope that you work with a mentor so that the combination of your expertise and Wikipedia guidelines will result in meaningful and helpful additions. Sometimes a break followed by a period of reflection can help put the pieces together of what has been said.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:27, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Margaret Dorothea Rowbotham
Dear Carole Thanks for your message. I am a new Wiki editor and I am in the midst of creating this page on Rowbotham. There is a lot more to be added, including references. Would you please be kind enough to let me get on with it! Thank you Henrietta999 (talk) 08:31, 16 June 2017 (UTC)


 * As I mentioned on my post to you, I'll reply on your talk page.–CaroleHenson (talk) 08:39, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Hate to bug you, but ...
I'm on a tablet on the road and keep having issues wit my talk page posts getting overwritten. No way I can easily fix them and explain to Henia how to avoid it....could I beg your help again? Ealdgyth - Talk 00:57, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi . I will be agin suggesting that Henia uses my talkpage as a central conduit, this stopping multiplte and unitentially disruptive postings. The mentorship issue is still relevant in my opinion. From my reading Henia wants a loose collaborative network. But this just causes multiple duplicate postings. I will again later today recommend that Henia uses my T/P as her postbox. I will then disseminate relevant info to colleagues who aare mentioned and or involved, as a single point of contact/clearing house for Henias input. I have pinged Diannaaa on a potential copyright issue so this is the kind of model I think would be the least disruptive, and logical. I hope all is goung well with your families new arrival :) Regards, Simon. Irondome (talk) 03:27, 18 June 2017 (UTC)


 * That sounds like a really good idea, . There have been several edits that I'm not sure about so I just was waiting to see if anyone had any issues.


 * I totally agree about the need for a mentor for edits made to WP. Thanks,, I have been wondering about news about the baby, too.... so a message would be nice about that about the happy news.–CaroleHenson (talk) 04:23, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I put up a small announcement on my talk page, but it was a girl, born Friday night, all is well. She certainly has a healthy set of lungs, at least! Ealdgyth - Talk 11:08, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Please, talk to me in the Talk page of the article
I have not felt comfortable with your tone.

I welcome your comments and objections to my good faith contributions in the Talk page of the article.

Thank you.Henia Perlman (talk) 13:15, 19 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I don't know what to say, . I don't like that you ignore advice and input. I don't find that to be a part of an intention to offer "good faith contributions". And, you seem to have a double-standard. It's ok to insult others, but you don't like "tone" that you're uncomfortable with.


 * I am happy to talk to you on talk pages of articles for content that is related to those articles. Content that is personal in nature, should not be on article talk pages. I have been trying to help you get away from the issues that have caused the warnings. Based upon your comments, I am getting that you are not really responsive to help, unless it's exactly the way that you want it.... which I believe is to let you go ahead and make whatever kind of edits you want and have others clean it up. Sorry, but that's the way I see it.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:32, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 22
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Henia is sincerely asking for forgiveness
I am asking, please, to cancel your “block”.

I have taught for about 50 years, and I have never had people complaining – from my students or others. Comments about me: compassionate, understanding, and wants her students to succeed.

Still, I am guilty, and I sincerely apologize.

I am sorry, but I didn’t mean to insult you.

I promise you, that I will ask your help with formatting, and other things.

I am truly sorry, and I welcome your help.

I mean everything I wrote, from the bottom of my heart.

Be well.Henia Perlman (talk) 00:12, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

My decision about 2 options
Because I am slow in making decision, I would like to discuss it with you first, the proposal of Rivertorch:

I agree not to edit the article The Holocaust directly for a predetermined interval (at least the remainder of this month), instead proposing all of my changes to Carole, who was kind to offer her help.

(Carole, I don't mind to always checking with you first, (or Ealdgyth: he didn't offer help, and I don't want to bother him), modifications in Holocaust article - sometimes, I am too impulsive!).

I did put back my request not to block.

Thank you Carole! It's really very hot here! And we have no A/C! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Henia Perlman (talk • contribs) 01:19, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * , I am happy to help you. I can help format the information that you'd like to add and ensure that it is properly cited and meets guidelines. I recommend that once it's ready for the article, that we run it by the talk page. That is because, as Mathglot and others have said, it is a contentious article and we should ensure that the community is ok with the additions. (Not questioning you as a knowledgeable person about the Holocaust, but to ascertain the appropriateness for the overview article).


 * So, that would be a two-step process: 1) You and I working through the wording you'd like to add -- getting it wikipedia ready and 2) then post it on the talk page to ensure that it's good to add. How does that work?–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:54, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks Carole for your help!

I would stick with: "You and I working through the wording" I'd like to add -- getting it wikipedia ready, and posting it as a contribution in the right format.

In the Talk page of the article, I will explain that I just posted a contribution, explain the reason, and I welcome comments/discussion/objections.

It will be like Ealdgyth posting contributions (since you will be formating); and people who don't agree, can contact her. "Math" also didn't like the discussion in Talk of article

I think we can be both good collaborators for a contribution, ready to be made in the article, like everybody does.

Let's try the one step process and see!

Thanks again so much for helping me out! Henia Perlman (talk) 02:17, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * , Since there has been major work on the article to condense it - it is an overview article after all, and is still quite large, I recommend running it by the talk page first. For instance, it may be that the information is more appropriate in a sub-article.


 * As an FYI, articles are generally kept at 100,000 bytes or less. This one got up to 300,000 and was condensed by Ealdgyth down to 194,000 bytes, which is still quite long.


 * The proposals as alternatives to blocking were either to leave the article alone for awhile, or run additions by the talk page. So, I think we should do either one of those two.–CaroleHenson (talk) 02:32, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * If Carole is willing to help you by working through the talk page, I think that's a very generous offer. I would probably be more conservative than that, but the important thing is to come to some agreement which is satisfactory, and which avoids the block, which you are, or were, very close to receiving.


 * In order for any agreement to work smoothly, I think at a very minimum you should have a basic command of talk page procedures and etiquette. I see that you are signing your posts now with four tildes (~)  so that's great!  Keep it up; sometimes even seasoned editors forget that, so that's really good; you've got step one down pat.


 * One important thing on talk pages (also article pages) is being able to follow Wikilinks. Are you familiar with hyperlinks or Wikilinks?  Whenever you see some words in blue (sometimes purple) text, that means you can click it to go to another page.  Depending on how your browser and Wikipedia preferences are set up, you might be able to just hover the mouse over the link, to see a brief summary of the page at the link. This paragraph has three wikilinks, did you spot them?


 * Another thing you should have some familiarity with, are talk page procedures concerning conversation threading and indentation. Please have a look at Help:Using talk pages, especially the section Replying to an existing thread, and understand how to use colons (' : ') to indent your replies properly.  This is really a prerequisite for most other things you would like to do here.


 * Meanwhile, some of the things Carole is talking about concerning article length are fairly advanced topics, and I also worry about your passion for the topic of The Holocaust getting you frustrated here. Part of the problem with the article "The Holocaust" is that there are too many editors and they all have opinions, and it's easy to get into disputes. This is a very, very tough area for a brand new editor to start at Wikipedia.  Are you open to looking at some related topics that are shorter, easier to deal with, and not as fraught with issues as this one is?  There are so many articles needing attention, I could point you to some of them that are really crying out for knowledgeable and committed editors like you. Mathglot (talk) 04:51, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I am trying to learn as fast as I can. That's why, I changed my proposal:
 * Henia's proposal after reading your suggestion, Rivertorch's suggestion, and last message of Carole==


 * Mathglot, here the new suggestion, after I read last message of Carole, about article being too long (I agree)


 * For the time being, I will only make modifications, together with CaroleI (not adding) and see:


 * Carole and Henia will work through the wording (template, style) Henia would like to modify


 * -- getting it wikipedia ready, and posting it as a modification in the right format.


 * In the Talk page of the article, I will explain that I just posted a modification, explain the reason, and welcome comments/discussion/objections.


 * It will be like Ealdgyth posting modification (since Carole will be formating); if people who don't agree to the modification, we can discuss the modification in Talk of the article.


 * I think that Carole and Henia could be be both good collaborators for a modification, ready to be made in the article.


 * Let's try the one step process of modification of what is already in the article and see!


 * Thanks again so much for helping me out! Henia Perlman (talk) 05:04, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * , I am sorry, but I don't feel comfortable just posting the content after it's gone through a major rewrite by an experienced Wikipedia editor. I would hate to get into an area of content being reverted.


 * has a really great way of breaking things down and I really think you should consider his/her offer. This is about learning to use Wikipedia. Once you get the hang of how things are done, and are able to make edits without having them reverted, you will be able to be more independent. Until then, I think his/her idea is a very, very good one.–CaroleHenson (talk) 05:14, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * , I am not talking about reverting content, but about modifying it, by adding for example a citation that Ealdgyth couldn't find, or something which is pertinent to historical relevancy, that you mentioned. That's it. I am really tired, being still sick. I will try to give you an example tomorrow. Good night. Henia Perlman (talk) 05:20, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I thought that the main issue was to put citation in the right template, and that Carole will help me with that. Henia Perlman (talk) 05:33, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi. I'm sorry to hear you're not feeling well. If editing Wikipedia is causing you any stress or anxiety, I hope you'll consider taking a break and returning when you feel better. Your health is way more important than any Wikipedia article. In any event, whether you'd prefer to deal with it now or later, this is what the situation is:

In an attempt to keep you from getting blocked, I made a proposal at WP:ANI that you stop editing the article for a while and make suggestions on the talk page instead. This would be similar to the method often used at protected articles, where newer editors make "edit requests" rather than editing articles themselves. This approach would still allow you to contribute to the article, but not directly. Mathglot made a different proposal—that you avoid that article and its talk page entirely for a while, and go brush up on your Wikipedia editing skills at other, related articles.

Those are the two proposals on the table. You appear to be making a counter-proposal involving your continuing to edit the article and explaining each edit on the talk page. I don't believe that such an approach would be agreed to by the community, and I very much doubt that any further counter-proposals will be welcomed. I suggest that you pick one of the two proposals I just summarized above. If neither is acceptable to you, then your only remaining options are either continuing down the same road you've been traveling and finding yourself blocked or voluntarily ceasing all editing activity on Wikipedia. I think that either of those outcomes would be unfortunate, but the community is only going to spend so much time and effort on this. Whatever you decide, I wish you all the best. Rivertorch  FIRE WATER   05:56, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Moving my section
Thank you Carole for moving my request!

I am learning everyday, and by doing!

I m still sick. I cancelled my flight, because I have norovirus (throwing up), and I didn't want my little grandchildren to get it.

The airline was very understanding, and didn't charge me for the new ticket.

Again conflict of posting with Ealdgyth; I hope I didn't cut her posting that I read Bye!Henia Perlman (talk) 01:31, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * You did. (ec) Not upset with you Henia - but I'm actually female. I'm very very busy in life outside wiki so I don't have a lot of time to answer questions or help. Carole or the others, if they are okay with this, are probably more patient and have more time to help you. Ealdgyth - Talk 01:24, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Oh, thanks. I got an edit conflict and then noticed your post was gone... so I have several windows open trying to square things away. Thanks for fixing that.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:48, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Oh, just seeing you were sick, Henia... Sorry to hear that! Hope you are able to stay to cool. Cool cloths on your neck or douse yourself in the shower from time to time? Sorry, the mother in me kicks in some times. I am going to reply to the 2 options next above.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:53, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * So much easier to fix a lost post when I can use the desktop instead of the tablet....Ealdgyth - Talk 01:54, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Happy you could!Henia Perlman (talk) 02:19, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Fascinating Friar

 * It seems this goes to both of us. You did a great job as well - great edits and focus! So, I'm very happy to share it with you. It was a lot more enjoyable working with someone that working on something alone, so thanks for that.–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:26, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. Now to see if we can get it to GA at some point. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:17, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Sounds good.–CaroleHenson (talk) 02:03, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Heh, apparently the used book version of Warriors in Eden I bought for next to nothing was an autographed copy. I'll try to pick out key passages that would be in line with WP:PRIMARY to add to the article this weekend. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:27, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Mariano Gagnon
Gatoclass (talk) 00:04, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Henia is accepting Rivertorch's proposal
Good morning Carole,

How do I advise my acceptance decision to everybody?

I tried to post my acceptance at administrator board, but it was closed.

It seems that there was a consensus with Rivertorch’s thoughtful proposal:

Henia agrees not to edit the article directly for a predetermined interval (at least the remainder of this month), instead proposing all of her changes on the talk page. If after the end of the month, more time is needed, I agree to review the situation.

I welcome your help Carole, if you still have patience with me (I reread my posting from the start, and I couldn't believe how slow I am!), and from others, if you wish not to help me anymore, from other editors with citations format, content relevancy, and conformity with wiki rules.

Thank you for your time, and patience, and Rivertorch for your kind intervention.

Have a great day! Henia Perlman (talk) 14:20, 24 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Ok. A message on your talk page should do the trick. I will go ahead and post a message there and ping in others that you posted messages to so that all the messages don't need to be updated. Does that work?–CaroleHenson (talk) 14:55, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thank you Carole! I really must go now.Henia Perlman (talk) 16:02, 24 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Sounds good, let me know when you're ready. This can be a nice, clean start. I love new beginnings, so fresh with possibility!–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:25, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Not to worry

 * Our friend appears to be flailing about, seeking new helpers based upon their last responses, or something I do not quite understand. It may well be that our colleague is actually very impatient and requires immediate and favourable responses, based on subjective impressions of her helpers' usefulness to their current POV, perception of how WP operates or way our friend maybe wishes to shape the article. I have rarely if ever seen such collective goodwill shown to a new colleague on WP. I do think that our friend should now make their own way on WP. The useful bank of information that you, I and many others have provided should now be enough. The sheer volume of constructive advice given has been enormous. I would advise that we gently disengage-while still providing basic support on a case by case basis-and allow events to take their course. I truly hope that they take a positive course. Now it is up to our friend. Irondome (talk) 01:43, 26 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Good point. Good plan. Thanks, .–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:51, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you Carole for your kind persistence. I have been learning by reading pages in wiki, and reading how Ealdgyth has been editing. I would like now to make my own choices, and show my understanding. Thank you.Rachelle Perlman (talk) 14:30, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, good luck!–CaroleHenson (talk) 14:46, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Verifying the article
Hi mam ,

{am looking to verify my page. article, kindly do go on. the temple goes through religious organisation and its second holiest place in India "Mandyada Sri Shiradi Sai Baba Mandir"}}, Mandyada Shri Shiradi Sai Baba Mandir {because as u know very well about this article so, i am willing to take from you.verification}praneraopraneeth rao 17:53, 26 June 2017 (UTC) kindly do the need full Thanks, praneeth rao. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pranerao (talk • contribs) 17:53, 26 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I am sorry, but administrators found that the best previous version should be deleted and protected the page so that it wasn't recreated. So attempting to create another article with a slightly different title won't work. I applied a CSD tag on the article.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:01, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Adopt me :)
Hi, I've been scrolling through the adoption section and your profile sounded interesting. I think you could be of great help. There isn't much to say about me, but the bit that is, here it goes: I'm basically bringing my contribution to Wikipedia because I got overly curious one day and I've clicked that Edit button and things went out of control due to over excitement. I am at the moment preparing for admission to a PhD in fashion and I thought of channelling my topic on the contemporary costume of the Muslim woman aka, the modest fashion movement, and since I'm on it, I thought that researching and gathering the info from the internet would pair nicely with contributing to the knowledge basket, so here I am, taking two rabbits at a time. My research should contain info on Islam as a social movement, basically, why do Muslim women dress the way they do and which are the influences from various points of view, religious texts, social and economic contexts, practicability and cultural sensitivity. Ideally, while gathering all the right data, from the proper, verifiable sources, I should be able to create original content on the topic and educate others on what Muslim fashion is all about, on various educational platforms. Whether it is small or large, any input or help will be appreciated.

Loads of thanks!

Alice--Rusu Alina-Alice 13:13, 16 April 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maraal01 (talk • contribs)


 * Hello / Alice,


 * Sorry it took a bit to get back to you, I took a couple of days off. I would be happy to help out any way I could. Sounds very interesting! Did you want to start a new article?


 * You may be interested in joining one of the WP:Wikiprojects, like perhaps WP:WikiProject Fashion as an interesting way to find other like-minded people.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:45, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Adopt me :)
Heya. Thank you! I'll look into it! Yes, I'd love to write articles and I hope in the near future I will.. at the moment I'm still figuring out the editing part. --Rusu Alina-Alice 07:19, 22 April 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maraal01 (talk • contribs)


 * Hi, I have had a lot of personal life things going on in my life and haven't been online a lot lately... sorry it's taken awhile to get back to you. I'd be happy to help with any editing questions you have. Let me know how I can help. I'll also take a look at your contributions.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:35, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

JohnBob Carlos
Thank you so much for helping me citing sources. I appreciate all your help! LisD 22:26, 25 May 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisdip1 (talk • contribs)


 * My pleasure! I just caught cosmetics, I will do a better review later.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:42, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi there again!
Hi Carole, I'm back on wikipedia! When you get a chance would you please edit the new article that I'm working "JohnBob Carlos" thanks LisD 05:25, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Manually signed, added this for username and links: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisdip1 (talk • contribs)


 * Hi, Yep, I reviewed the article and documented the reason for the change is in the edit summary, which can be seen in the history. If I can clarify anything, though, please let me know.


 * I am not sure why you added the BLP sources tag on the article. But, it's fairly well sourced, so I removed it. I did add a tag for notability, though. Please see WP:CREATIVE. I am not sure that there is sufficient notability, but perhaps you can add further information that speaks to the criteria under WP:CREATIVE.


 * As an FYI, you can automatically sign your talk postings by entering ~ after you type your message. Then, like magic, when you save your message, it will add your name, links to your user and talk page, and date and time stamp. For instance, I typed the four tildes to sign here:–CaroleHenson (talk) 11:54, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Help with AIG and edit requests
Hi Carole, hope you're well. I was wondering if you could help me out with a couple of questions. I submitted an edit request 3 months ago, but didn't anticipate that the queue would be so backlogged. Is there a way I can rescind the request so I can seek help more immediately? I have another extant request for another section, but by main concern here is that the information in the overview of the article is outdated, and of greater significance. Any ideas how I could move forward, or am I stuck waiting out the request?--FacultiesIntact (talk) 19:47, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I changed the subsidiaries. The information in the infobox and the intro will take awhile longer to check.
 * I changed the subsidiaries. The information in the infobox and the intro will take awhile longer to check.


 * It is seeming that much of the information is based upon the 2016 SEC form 10-K both in the existing article and in the draft, but the numbers are changing. I'm a bit confused.–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:08, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I started comments at User talk:FacultiesIntact/sandbox/American International Group and pinged you there. That seems the most appropriate place to add comments.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:07, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I just responded to your comments over there. Thanks again for the help. While we're on the subject, if you've got the time, do you think you could help me update the AIG template? I noticed it's also outdated, but I don't have much experience with templates.--FacultiesIntact (talk) 23:44, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I am responding at the sandbox talk page so that it's all together.–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:02, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Gorsley
Hi Carole. I see you added a Template:Citation needed tag. Do you think there is a problem with those mileages to neighbouring towns in the first para? In my experience with these minor settlement articles, such distances are always rather approximate and are very rarely sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:39, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, It's my practice to add citations to content. It seems strange that the distances are approximate. I assumed that they came from a published source somewhere. It's not the best, but I'll run some Google map queries and add sources that way, since there doesn't appear to be a source.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:11, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * That's very industrious. You'll find very many geo articles are lacking in this respect. Good luck. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:15, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * My pleasure. Not the ones that I review.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:24, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * e.g Newent? Many more e.g. Ledbury don't have any distances. At least Aston Ingham gets a good source, even if it is from 1868! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:33, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Ok, I'll take a look at those, .–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:49, 23 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Carole, I see that Aston Ingham has now been totally transformed. Great work. Well done. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:42, 23 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks,, I still have some Roman history info to add.–CaroleHenson (talk) 14:08, 23 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I look forward to seeing your future improvements, Carole and will try and collaborate where I can. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:47, 23 June 2017 (UTC)


 * If you don't mind reading Aston Ingham and correcting any American English issues, that would be nice, .–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:19, 23 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I've made a few minor stylistic tweaks, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:50, 23 June 2017 (UTC)


 * , Excellent, thanks! Much better.–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:17, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

, I started on the Newent article, which I find to be very interesting... and have quite a bit more to do. I have found a lot of 19th century and early 20th century sources for the history and am looking for more recent sources that are also reliable, independent sources. My goal is to fill out the page and add citations to uncited content as I go. I am picking away at this a bit more slowly, mostly because there is much more information / sources to digest.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:29, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, Carol, thanks for telling me. I'll wait for you to complete. There's no rush, I'm sure. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:42, 24 June 2017 (UTC) p.s. my Auntie Nellie used to live on Culver Street (true story).


 * , That song was a blast from the past (Neil Sedaka and in the video is a very young Dick Clark at the end). That your Aunt Nellie lived on Culver Street is interesting. Sounds good.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:19, 24 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes, she was a long-standing member of Newent URC, which I now see needs adding to the article! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:26, 24 June 2017 (UTC)


 * , Yep, a churches / religion section will be good. Since you're familiar with the area: I have been confused by the Herefordshire and Gloucestershire Canal - does it still go through Newent? I see that the canal had gone through the area... but there was a trust established to restore part of the canal, so I am not sure.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:32, 24 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Well, Oxenhall is quite close: . But it seems the 1881 railway killed it off in Newent. But here is a map. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:39, 24 June 2017 (UTC)


 * , Oh, thanks, that's helpful!–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:42, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

, I haven't forgotten about Newent, I just got stuck. My mind kept swimming in a circular pattern about the various options to move forward and I so far haven't been able to get unstuck. I do want to get back to the article. If at some point you have suggestions about ways to proceed at Newent, please feel free to post a message here or at Talk:Newent.

In the meantime, among other things, I have been working on expanding Jews escaping from Nazi Europe to Britain.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:37, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Pirate Articles
Thanks for the tips on punctuation and See Also usage. I'm still learning the system and I'm glad for the pointers. Much appreciated.

Saw you left some CN tags, and I had a question about them. It seems redundant to cite the same page of the same source twice in one sentence. For example, the [1] ref in the following sentence covers both facts in the statement:


 * Led by Robert Culliford, the crew mutinied against Kidd and voted May as captain,[1] taking several small Spanish vessels in the Caribbean.[citation needed]

In a case like that, should both independent clauses have the same [1] citation, or should there be a single citation only, but placed at the end of the sentence? Or should that be two sentences, even if they use the same source?

Similar question: If two consecutive sentences are covered by the same citation reference, it seems redundant to repeat the same citation in both. Example:


 * They forced the ship’s cooper to sign their Articles by beating him and threatening to behead him with an axe.[3] Lyne burned the sloop and sailed for Guiana.[citation needed]

The same source applies to both sentences. Would each one get the same [3] reference? Or should they be combined into a single sentence, as with the former example?

I really don't want to have sentences reading like this:


 * They forced[3] the ship’s cooper[3] to sign their Articles[3] by beating him[3] and threatening to behead[3] him with an axe.[3]

I realize that's a difficulty of working with obscure topics, where there might not be multiple sources or the sources might largely repeat each other.

Thanks in advance!--TheLastBrunnenG (talk) 20:32, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi ,
 * I just added citation needed tags where the end of paragraphs ended without a source. If the citation extends to multiple sentences, you can just move the citation to the end of the place it applies. If it applies to three sentences in a row, for instance, put it at the end of the 3rd sentence.


 * I thought you have done that in some cases.... or where you added a citation at the end of a paragraph, was it really just for the last sentence?–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:08, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Oops, edit adding "needed tags" above.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:26, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I wasn't sure where a citation went if several subjects or sentences were clustered together, and I was probably inconsistent in usage. I'll go back and address the CN tags by moving the references to the end of a sentence or paragraph rather than the middle or elsewhere. Thanks again!--TheLastBrunnenG (talk) 01:25, 28 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Great, thanks!–CaroleHenson (talk) 02:03, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

FYI
Hello CH. I thought you should be aware of this thread User talk:HJ_Mitchell as you are one of the editors mentioned in it. I know how frustrating this can be so I will add my thanks for your efforts here at WikiP. I also know that my post may be an annoyance so please feel free to remove it. Best regards. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 19:05, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Cheers!

 * Thanks,, that was nice of you and I really appreciate it.–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:58, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Arthur Webb (co-operator) edits
Carole, thanks very much for you message and for the very useful tips you gave. This is my first article creation and I intend to do a lot more over the coming months and years to improve (hopefully) the information about Building Society history on Wikipedia. I work for Nationwide Building Society but am doing this work. Any tips you have on how to reference material from our archive would be gratefully received. Chrismcevoy (talk) 16:11, 1 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, sure.
 * So if you're saying that you have published documents that are in the archive, you could use one of the WP:Citation templates, depending upon the type of document (book, magazine, etc.) and enter the information. You may have other documents, that are not published which then becomes a WP:Verifiability issue. Are you talking about published or unpublished documents?


 * Also, it is sounding like you have a WP:Conflict of interest or close connection to the Building Society. In addition to the COI page, this page may be helpful for more information: Plain and simple conflict of interest guide.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:18, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Google...
Another problem with google books is the fact that it shows different pages to different countries - so just because someone can see it in the UK doesn't mean the same pages are available in the US. And one reason I'm very leery of google books searches is that ArbCom case I linked on my talk page to you a while back - the editor who got banned in that case was using google books to search for phrases and taking things totally out of context. It took a LONG time to get him banned for misusing sources and pushing his POV, and it was really draining. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:22, 2 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I see your point from your Talk:The Holocaust posting here about the possibility of having a view to only some of the information. That's a really good point... and I avoid sources if I am not getting a clear picture of the content from the book because of hidden pages. And, will absolutely avoid sources if I don't there are hidden pages regarding the content I am looking for for the Jews escaping from Nazi Europe to Britain article.


 * I don't think I understand the issue about the page numbers. If you're saying that google books is not a true digital copy and for some reason the pagination is different in the UK vs. US (which I heard something about several years ago). But if it's because there is a difference in pagination between UK and US editions, that would still be an issue if I used a hard copy of the US edition of the book. Hmmm. So far, I am not using google books... I have been using news and web sites to this point, but I do have books in my list. If it's a google pagination issue (vs. UK / US edition pagination issue), I could go to the library and verify the page numbers of any content I choose to use.


 * The last issue seems to be a user issue. Sorry to hear how frustrating that case was.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:43, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Oops, missed "don't".–CaroleHenson (talk) 02:28, 3 July 2017 (UTC)


 * , I hope you are doing well! I remember years ago you when you mentored me that you checked some of my citations from google books to ensure that the page numbers were correct. I have been trying to figure out, due to this latest post, if this is a google pagination issue (i.e., the page numbers in google books are not the same as the printed copies)... or if it's a US vs. UK book edition issue. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I often use google books even when I have the hard copy because it's easier to work with and so far, I haven't seen a difference in pagination, so I am thinking it might be a UK vs. US book edition issue.


 * Basically, what I'm trying to figure out is if I am using a google book, should I go to the library and check the page numbers.


 * I tried googling and searching here and found WP:BOOKLINKS and a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Citing_sources/Archive_29, but I don't see anything about this issue. As always, your help would be greatly appreciated!–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:16, 2 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry Carole, I seem to have caused the confusion. It's not an issue about there being a difference in printed page numbers between the physical book and the image of the printed page from Google books - rather it's an issue with what page images Google Books will show in their "preview" view of a book. Google Books will only show a limited number of pages for any book that they are doing "previews" for, but exactly what images (and thus pages) are shown varies between countries. So if I'm in the US, Google Books may show me pages 30, 31, and 56 for a given book, but if I'm in the UK, I'd get 68, 69, and 101. Does that make sense? Ealdgyth - Talk 12:09, 3 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Ah, yes, that makes sense. Thanks!–CaroleHenson (talk) 14:47, 3 July 2017 (UTC)


 * , As an FYI and to close the loop on this conversation, I have run through my sources that aren't books and looking through Whitehall and the Jews for content for the article I'm working on. I get your point about the hidden pages - and addressed that above. Regarding the fact that previewed pages differ in the UK vs the US: if I went to the library and provided a citation without a url, there would still not be a way to verify the pages online. So, I'm moving ahead seeing what content I might be able to reap from that book... and will likely go to the library as well to see the entire book... as well as Bernard Wasserstein's Britain and the Jews of Europe, 1939-1945, which does not have preview.


 * I have been using google books for some time, and think that I am quite responsible in how I select which books to use due to the hidden pages issue. And, I have not seen a policy guideline against using google books. If there is one I am missing, though, that would be helpful to know.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:44, 3 July 2017 (UTC)


 * If it would help, I could use the "quote" parameter in the citation template and add the quote from the book about the information that was paraphrased / summarized for the article.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:13, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

William ap Thomas
Please see Talk:William ap Thomas -- PBS (talk) 19:01, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I know about how @ pings. I see no reason to use such a template. I will add a comment about the specific issue on the article talk page.-- PBS (talk) 06:12, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, good. I have been responding on the article talk page.–CaroleHenson (talk) 13:17, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Rollback
I've approved your request for rollback - actually I was surprised you didn't already have it. Nthep (talk) 21:10, 11 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Excellent, thank you, .–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:16, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

privacy rights
Hello, Citation [1] is no longer linkable ... can't verify whether that information is true or not. Even a search of the herald website came up empty ... so all that should go. Citation [2] is also bunk ... can't be verified.

Dikinson's middle name is not published anywhere but personal information stuff, and should be removed - as well as the letters behind her name.

I left the MSc in this time, as that is actually out there ... but a person (even on wikipedia) deserves privacy rights.

Kgs32 (talk) 22:16, 12 July 2017 (UTC)


 * , I was just taking a look at recent edits and saw that you removed cited content - and of the type of information generally found in biographies. Someone is working on the Michelle Dickinson article now and I'd like to see how they sort the issues out.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:45, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

, The citations (previous [1] and [2]) were no longer linking to articles that were online available/verifiable, so I removed the associated content. The removal of the year of birth (also not public information) was completed by someone else. Someone after me has re-added some part of the 'early life' information with a new citation that is linkable/valid. I was just trying to keep information on the site = publicly-available information, that had been given directly to the press BY the individual it is about ... and, therefore, not a violation of this person's right to keep personal information personal.Kgs32 (talk) 23:05, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Kate Millett
My changes to Kate Millett's Wikipedia page were completely legitimate and your assertions to the contrary reveal a desire to have the page remain as a polemic or worse, an encomium. My inclusion of Mallory Millett's article contributes to a thoughtful, disciplined, and diverse biographical entry. Adding a brief section on what Kate Millett's own sister thought of her writings provides background information a reader deserves to hear.Melvin toast (talk) 17:41, 13 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Copying and then replying at Talk:Kate Millett.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:42, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

You've got mail
Mathglot (talk) 22:40, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

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Henia truly does not want an investigation
I didn’t try to reopen the case.

I suggested to add deadlines to proposals and blocks, because some editors do not go online everyday – I see that as a positive contribution.

I will continue not to edit.

I have been doing a lot of traveling. I have been very sick a lot. I do have disabilities issues. Henia Perlman (talk) 04:45, 16 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks, Henia. I am sorry that you are having a difficult time.–CaroleHenson (talk) 09:11, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Help
Dear Carole, may I ask you for help in something I do not understand? there is a user that started posting message on my talk page about me using material from my website without giving the licence to Wikipedia. Aside that I did not know about that, she had already deleted that part, and since the article was fine even without the addition, I asked if the article could survive in that way, and she basically did not answer and posted again threatining me to block me if I was to continue to use such material. Sincerely I did not realize I was doing it, many info I have on my notebook and not always I remember what I posted on a blog months/years ago. Anyway at the second warning I thought better not to use my notes, and therefore I always searched for another source. In the case of Edith J. Goode, I found a good one, I took the info I needed, I did not copy but rephrased (aside for name of Organization and Position) and I launched the Copyvio Report that came out 24% = GREEN, with "Unlikely" so I thought I was fine. But now Diannaa posted again a 3rd warning, she said it's the final warning... she changed the Edith J. Goode article, now is 16% = GREEN = Unlikely, basically the same result as me, just a percentage lower. I sincerely don't know what to do. I'm afraid to do something cause I do not want to be blocked, but I really do not understand why Diannaa posted the 3rd warning... --Elisa.rolle (talk) 19:03, 17 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi ,


 * I am sorry to hear that there are copyvio / paraphrasing issues again. is the queen of copyright issues. She knows her stuff. I see from your talk page history that there were several tags put on your page re: copyright issues. I recommend listening to what she has to say.


 * You likely remember that I worked on a number of your articles in early May, paraphrasing content and then requesting that the versions with copyright / close paraphrasing issues be hidden. At the time I mentioned that when using the copyvio detector, you need to check the "compare" feature for each source and check for text in red highlighting for concerns. Looking at the percentage isn't a fail-safe approach. Even then, you need to check the sources that couldn't be run through the copyvio detector, like pdf files, books, or other reasons why there wasn't a compare of source against the article.


 * In other words, the detector is only as good as the person viewing it and properly analyzing the results.–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:53, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks,, that was nice of you!–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:35, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * There are a lot of us, I think... it's just that some people's patience wears out a little faster than mine does. I'm not always certain if it's a good thing. If someone isn't really listening, it does matter how many times I shout into the wind. Thanks, though, that's nice of you to say.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:01, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Seconded. I've just finished my rescue job on Herbert Pollitt, thank you for the thankses you sent while I was working on it! Mabalu (talk) 16:54, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks, ! It is still tagged in commons, but I uploaded a retouched image for the article awhile ago... hopefully it will pop into the article soon (I've been purging the page to get it to load and it still doesn't seem to be coming across... guessing it's a server synching / timing issue).–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:08, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd love to use an image of Diane de Rougy, but I can't identify which one is the 1894 Frederick Hollyar portrait (I think I know which image it is, but just can't track down a reliable source to confirm that this is the safe-to-use Hollyar image!) and the others don't seem to have enough info to confirm that they are deffo OK to be added to Commons... I know there is an image of Diane and Jerome on Commons, but we don't know if said images were first published in that Aleister Crowley book (in which case the copyright becomes tricksy....) Mabalu (talk) 17:19, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Ok, that sounds great, - if you can find one. There's always Non-free use rationale, since he's (she's) dead - if that would be the article picture.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:34, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * That's true, although I'm SURE there must be an image out there that could pass Commons criteria. Just need to find a picture of Diane that gives a photographer ID so we can confirm it ISN'T in copyright....! Mabalu (talk) 17:35, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Hugs
Saw your path cross my buddy Ealdgyth's when I was cleaning up my watchlist backlog, and then saw the drama today. Wanted to tell you that behavior patterns of a couple of folks who were causng you difficulty have my spidey senses alerted. I'm not certain, but email me if you wish. Montanabw (talk) 03:41, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, I don't know if you saw it,, but I did send you an email.–CaroleHenson (talk) 06:45, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Grace Hutchins
Hope you're well Carole? I see you've been tidying this one up- I didn't realise it had copvio problems too. But I've been doing a fair bit of work on the article, in the background as it were; do you mind if I get involved? I don't want to get in the way of your 'in use' tag, that's all! Cheers, &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  15:09, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


 * That would be lovely, ! Let me finish one more edit - added a copyvio-revdel tag - and I'll switch it over to under construction... in about 15 minutes.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:15, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * No, thank you Carole. It's just that, I got interested when I saw it because she is nicely out of my comfort zone (medieval men!) but the labo[u]r movement is very much within it- so an interesting compromise I thought. I might need some help decolonizing my WP:ENGVAR of course ;) &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  15:23, 20 July 2017 (UTC) PS, apologies for not spelling your name correctly. V rude.
 * LOL. Sounds good, ! Ok, done - it's in under construction mode now. To not bump into each other, I am going to look first for obits / other articles about her in American newspapers.


 * Hey, if you're British, would you be at all interested in un-Americaniz(s)ing Jews escaping from Nazi Europe to Britain at some point? If so, I would be happy to return the favor on something else.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:36, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't mind having a go- although I'm afraid I'm not much of a copyeditor in any language. I still use -ise and -ize interchangeably because I can never remember which is mine and which is yours :) schoolboy error or what. &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  17:22, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Ok, great, ! I see that you made a major addition to the article. I just made a couple of edits and since you have an empty section (seeming to still be a work-in-progress), I will step back for awhile - and catch up later. Great job!–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:30, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


 * , I am seeing that more copy-paste and uncited content was replaced over what I had paraphrased and cited (world travels info with Robinson paragraph, lead-in for Janet Lee quote, I also removed content about the apartment building that was copy-paste, not sure if there's anything else). The info about running for the state office in 1938 is now gone. When you are through, you do mind letting me know? I'll make the changes and update the revision id for the copyvio revdel.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:06, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I rewrote the lead a little bit, hope it's okay with you guys. Alex ShihTalk 17:56, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Absolutely,, looks great!–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:58, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah course thanks both! &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  18:14, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Re: Grace Hutchins
Oh no I should be sorry haha. I was doing copyedit for other sections anyway so no edit conflict happened. The more I read about the subject the more interesting it gets. Although the article still needs work, I took the liberty and nominated the article to Did you know? for you guys. Hope it's alright! Regards, Alex ShihTalk 06:06, 21 July 2017 (UTC)


 * That was nice of you, . Thanks! Pinging –CaroleHenson (talk) 06:10, 21 July 2017 (UTC)


 * , I don't mean to rush you, just checking in: Have you finished your edits at Grace Hutchins? I see some disambig, Americanization, overlinking edit opportunities. There were some spelling issues, too, but you might have got those in your edits.–CaroleHenson (talk) 06:19, 21 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I am finished for now, thanks! Please go ahead. Alex ShihTalk 06:23, 21 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Just so you know the DYK is approved! Main page bound soon, yay :) Alex ShihTalk 12:01, 25 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Lovely, thanks for that!–CaroleHenson (talk) 13:41, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Out of pocket
I shall be traveling for several days and have limited access to internet. Haven't abandoned "the list" but I probably won't be able to respond after today for at least a week, though I might get lucky. SusunW (talk) 20:31, 23 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Ok, I hope you have a lovely time. I saw your comments about your earlier travels / homes and I bet you have interesting stories. Thanks so much for all of your work on the articles and your helpful input!–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:57, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

reliable sources
I just figured out enough of the interface to see why my edits have not gone up, and noted your improvements. While I can't say that it makes my work of posting my exhibitions easier, I see the reasoning behind keeping things tidy.

I completely see your point on only listing my major publications. That said, I could not make much sense of what I would have needed to post instead to document my photo/journalist exhibitions: the only proofs that I have are the scanned articles, invitations, and letters from exhibitors.

Any suggestions are helpful, thanks

BettinaCirone212 (talk) 15:28, 24 July 2017 (UTC)


 * , There's newspapers.com. If you give me a bit of information, like the dates and names of what you consider major exhibitions, I can work on it.–CaroleHenson (talk) 14:12, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Grace Hutchins
Alex ShihTalk 00:04, 27 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Interesting article. Well done!--Ipigott (talk) 15:22, 27 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks, it was definitely a group effort!–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:54, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Doris Fielding Reid
you can redirect it to Edith Hamilton, I have moved the surviving info there. --Elisa.rolle (talk) 15:45, 27 July 2017 (UTC)


 * As you probably saw, ✅.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:53, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Pešturina
Hello Carole. Thank you for editing the article on Pešturina. I was so tired and sleepy each time I was writing it, I am surprised it didn't turn out even worse. Thanks again. PajaBG (talk) 16:22, 31 July 2017 (UTC)


 * My pleasure, ! It's an interesting article.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:59, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

James A. Palmer
Hi CaroleHenson, thank you so much for you edit/messaging me. The frustrating thing about james a. palmer is that although his stereographs are everywhere (https://digitalcollections.nypl.org/search/index?filters%5BnamePart_mtxt_s%5D%5B%5D=Palmer%2C%20J.%20A.&keywords=&layout=false) ,(https://www.loc.gov/item/2015650287/) there isnt much about him. Most of the info i have about him is from a book called Partners with the Sun: South Carolina Photographers, 1840-1940 by Harvey S. Teal. I was able to identify his first name using archive grid. I am an intern at Bard graduate center this summer and creating a wiki page for him is my final project.Martha2017bgc (talk) 19:42, 1 August 2017 (UTC)martha. Im not sure im using the correct format as im new. Your help is appreciated.


 * Ok, I will do some scouting around.


 * It would be could to see if we could add something about being in the Library of Congress... and mention where his collections can be found. See C. B. Waite, for instance, that I just reviewed.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:48, 1 August 2017 (UTC)


 * hi carole, thanks for your reply. I am not sure what you want me to do in the meantime. Can i go on editing or do you want me to hold of for a while?Martha2017bgc (talk) 20:01, 1 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, sure, go ahead and edit. I will post what I come up with on the talk page... like this exhibit and mention of the nature of his work.


 * By the way, the way to reply on Wikipedia is to indent - rather than starting new sections.–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:04, 1 August 2017 (UTC)


 * , I am not sure if you've noticed, but I've added sources for you at Talk:James A. Palmer - I wasn't very clear when I said I was posting sources on the talk page above.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:11, 1 August 2017 (UTC)


 * , Ok having reviewed the notability guidelines for people specifically for creative people, specifically 4d( is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums) I am not sure why archives of J.A Palmer 's stereographs in the library of congress (https://www.loc.gov/resource/ppmsca.39587/), Various collections under the nypl database including the shomburg center(https://digitalcollections.nypl.org/search/indexfilters%5Bdivision%5D=SCG&filters%5BnamePart_mtxt_s%5D%5B%5D=Palmer%2C+J.+A.&keywords=#) and a profile and several stereorgraphs in the collection of the International center of photography (https://www.icp.org/browse/archive/constituents/james-a-palmer?all/all/all/all/0) as well as the sources you have provided ( thanks btw) do not establish his notability. Martha2017bgc (talk) 00:00, 2 August 2017 (UTC)


 * I am going to copy this to the article talk page and respond there, so that it stays with that discussion should others come on the topic.–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:35, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Welsh bios
Thanks for this; It's been on my list of things to check, but who knows when I would have gotten to them.  DGG ( talk ) 18:49, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Sion Abel
Hi Carole, the source for what you have just reversed is Reference 1 to some extent and mainly Reference 2, already there. . I'm disappointed too that there isn't more to be found about him on the Net, but I think the page should remain for a while. Your version is not too bad if you don't want to change back to mine. The only factual thing I have against it is that it says the poem is published in the Bibliography. I think the poem is only mentioned as existing in the Bibliography and appeared in the edition I cited. The absence from the Welsh wiki is annoying, but common. Very few people seem to be working on the Welsh wiki. Cordially, Brian Bmcln1 (talk) 16:38, 5 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Ok, I updated the article, .–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:01, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Carole, we need your help thank
Hi Carole, We are very pleased to communicate with you here and receive your encouraging messages. Many of the collecteurs, fun and galeriste are following the wikipedia page of artist Li Chevalier. Some contributors, by mistake, quote published articles from art critics, which seems to have promotional tone. However, the mistake has been corrected, page redited. Despite this effort, the main page of the artist carefully build up several years ago are entirely eliminated. The eliminated categories of the page were conceived according to the model of the majority of  the artist's page, including an introduction of her style, a description of her important works etc. Example is the page of artist Xu Bing etc; We would be grateful if you could give us some more guidline, in order to rebuild the page again according to your rules;WKCONTRIBUTION88 (talk) 09:51, 6 August 2017 (UTC) Many thanks. Contributors.




 * I saw that there was content removed from Women artists about this artist in this edit. It seems like things are getting stirred up about this article. It would be good to post this message on the article talk page.


 * I'll also take a peak.–CaroleHenson (talk) 10:01, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Carole, I was led here because an editor noted the COI edits in the Li Chevalier article. The Women artists article had stuff like this, "However, with different mental approaches, she drifts away from the stereotypes of oriental preciosity, which she transcends through mixture, texture, eclecticism and pathos; " removed--that content, it seems to me, is not encyclopedic, nor is it at all clear that Li Chevalier needs to be mentioned in that article--her article lacks secondary sources, was full of puffery, and fails to advance the argument that she needs to be mentioned in the larger article. WKCONTRIBUTIONS88, finally, seems to be an editor with a strong conflict of interest. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 13:48, 6 August 2017 (UTC)


 * [Massive talk page stalkerage, please excuse] Carole, I have to head to bed like right now, but look here regarding Li Chevalier. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:16, 6 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes, I can see that there were definite issues with the article, . Thanks for your watchful eye and editing!


 * Very interesting, . Are you suggesting that it would be worthwhile working on expanding this article?–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:32, 6 August 2017 (UTC)