User talk:CaroleHenson/Archive 15

Hi Carole
Glad to see that you are still around! Cheers, Alex Shih (talk) 15:58, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Ferde Grofe Jr. page deletion
Please reinstate the Ferde Grofe Jr page - I responded in the talk section but someone had already removed it without providing sufficient time to respond, which I have done now.

Thanks Indieshack

Indieshack (talk) 00:00, 21 May 2018 (UTC)


 * , I marked it for speedy deletion and an administrator came along and deleted it shortly after that. I see that you restored the page. It needs help, right now it is seems as if the individual is noteworthy because of his father (see WP:NOTINHERITED) and unless there is much more to his career, it seems he does not meet WP:FILMMAKER.–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:04, 21 May 2018 (UTC)


 * That's incorrect and I'm including the rationale I wrote in the discussion page below in case you missed it. He's an indie film producer/writer/director who *happens* to have a famous father. You appear to have latched onto the famous father part and dismiss him as an individual because I haven't had the chance to complete the page. Almost by definition, members of the Motion Picture Academy are noteworthy in a public sense because of their body of work, not their parentage.


 * In support:
 * Ferde Grofe Jr is an indie film director of note, having produced and directed a series of movies in the Philippines in the late 1950's/1960's, a contemporary of Eddie Romero and Cirio Santiago. His father's fame as a musician (he was stalwart of band music from the 1930's radio through to 1950's television shows) has little to do with Grofe jr's achievements. He is writer, director, member of the motion picture academy (writer's branch) and has won awards for his television documentaries on the History Chanel regarding the second world war. He is also the writer, director, producer of Day of the Wolves - a cult film of note dating from 1971, and gave several well-known Hollywood folks their start in the business, including Peter MacGregor Scott (The Jerk, Cheech and Chong movies, The Fugitive, Batman forever, etc.), Ric Waite, and others listed in Wikipedia Indieshack (talk) 00:14, 21 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Yep,, while I wrote my response the page was removed and now a draft page has been set up for you at Draft:Ferde Grofe Jr. so that you can work on the article some more and get it rounded out more. Award information or other information to establish notability will be good!


 * Are you aware of how to create citations? If you need any help, let me know.–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:28, 21 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Updated link to draft.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:10, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of William Maskrey
Hiya Carole! I'm new here, only been here less than a week, and eeeee, it's damned fiddly! I'm even a bit wary about clicking "New Section" at the top of the Talk Page, but it seems to be right... About this William Maskrey thing - I was under the mistaken impression that if I started a new article, it would automatically be set up as a draft, but it went straight to the fully fledged page status. I'm not sure how to start a draft, so I just copy-pasted the whole page and put it in my sandbox just now, so deletion wouldn't be a disaster now. I filled the page with all sorts of needless genealogical stuff, which I was going to clear away later. I was just putting down all I knew, to sort out later on, which would've been fine in a draft! :D As for notability, I'm surprised that people who set up a mill in the very early phase of the Industrial Revolution aren't considered notable enough. I didn't want to spell it all out on the page, but these were the men who created "Cottonopolis", who changed the entire way we live today. Personally, I'd like to see an article on EVERY early cotton mill in England, to help people understand how the Industrial Revolution actually happened on the ground. I may have the wrong notion of what Wikipedia is actually for, as I thought it was about centralising all kinds of historical info, that people could come here and learn something of the background of the buildings and streets they live among today. I started looking into Maskrey a few years ago, when I was trying to find out about the tunnel leading off the River Medlock beside where the mill stood (I come from nearby). I ended up finding about the old mill, and then the story of the man who set it up, and thought it would be of interest to anyone interested in Manchester history. We hear about the first pioneers like Richard Arkwright, but local history knowledge is a bit of a blank when it comes to the general context of the process of setting up a manufacturing enterprise, back in a time when this was as exciting and new as setting up some radical new venture in Silicon Valley. If this were London or New York, you'd have all sorts of materials available, but it's harder for Manchester, partly due to the way in which most people living there now are descended from the mill workers rather than the owners, who all moved away. There's a bit of a deficit of educated people around, who care enough to look into these things, and yet there's definitely an audience for it, once the info is collected and democratised on platforms like this. Maybe it's material for some private blog, but then hardly anybody would ever find it. I despair! Benchik Pelmenchik (talk) 13:23, 21 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi ,


 * I absolutely don't want you to despair! The biggest issue that I had was an inability to find sources for the information, but it doesn't have to be found online. If you have sources for the information (e.g., newspapers, books, etc.), then that will help tremendously with notability.


 * The guidelines for notability are less strict for historical figures, but Wikipedia should have cited content and WP:No original research. I am very happy to help round this article out. I actually don't remember there being too much genealogical content, unless you are saying that you found the information from genealogical blogs/forums/trees vs. reliable sources.


 * Please let me know how I can help.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:44, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Cheers, Carole! Man, they expect a lot of bloody work out of you here for a "voluntary" project! I don't really know how willing I am to go that extra mile they seem to require, given that there is a day job too! :( It's like this: I've written two books on Manchester history that have been published out in the real world, but I've got loads of titbits of stuff that didn't make it into them that I thought would be nice to put here, you see. Trouble is, too much of it probably would come under the umbrella of "original research". Like I said, you're as good as forced to do that to find out about a lot of old Manchester stuff. Ah well, I'll come back to the page over the next few days when I get a chance to. Benchik Pelmenchik (talk) 16:54, 21 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Sure,, I'll move it to Draft mode in the meantime and remove the proposed deletion tag so it won't be removed. (I made a couple of recent tweaks.) Cheers,–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:57, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks, that's the best for now, yes! I've been using Wiki for years, by the way, and got used to seeing loads of "citation required" things. I thought that was enough to let authors get away with posting stuff without too many references, due to the way these little blue superscript things warned them to exercise discretion. Hmm, I also regret picking that stupid long username now too. Sorry for making you type it out so many times. I'm gunna add a note on my user page "Call me Ben"! :D All the best, Ben Benchik Pelmenchik (talk) 17:01, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, good. No worries about your user name - I'm a copy-paste girl. Yep, I know I peppered with a lot of cn tags... rather than an article level tag. Sorry about that. I was tagging as I researched and couldn't find source for the info. Take care,–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:04, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, good. No worries about your user name - I'm a copy-paste girl. Yep, I know I peppered with a lot of cn tags... rather than an article level tag. Sorry about that. I was tagging as I researched and couldn't find source for the info. Take care,–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:04, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Here's a thought, Carole - a page for the MILL, rather than the man! There are lots of articles on our mills, so the notability isn't an issue, if we come at it from this angle. How's that? Obviously, there's plenty of tweaking to be done with the biography-style article, but much of the content could be reused. I'd actually get to add a lot more stuff from the mill's history up to the 1960s, this way, as well. Benchik Pelmenchik (talk) 11:47, 22 May 2018 (UTC)


 * That sounds like an excellent idea! Let me know if you need any help.–CaroleHenson (talk) 14:41, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * That sounds like an excellent idea! Let me know if you need any help.–CaroleHenson (talk) 14:41, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

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Betty Bartley
I've put some protection on this to temporarily halt the edit warring, at least until tomorrow. :-) Deb (talk) 19:06, 27 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks, .–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:13, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Barnstar
I don't really do barnstars. Can't be bothered fathoming which is most suitable etc and, anyway, I happen to think that plain words can say it just as well, although being a bloke and a Brit to boot perhaps even that is inadequate! But if there is a barnstar for diplomacy etc then count yourself as a recipient. Impressed. - Sitush (talk) 23:45, 28 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you, that's very nice of you, . I appreciate it!–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:09, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Oscar Eugene Learnard
Did a little work on this today, just using Google Books references which FA could easily have found if he'd taken the trouble to look. If you'd like to review it, that would be great. As Sitush said above, if I believed in barnstars, I would send you one, but some of the people who get awarded them are living proof that they mean nothing. So just a heartfelt thank you for helping to get this situation resolved! Deb (talk) 08:35, 1 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi ,
 * Sure, I'll work on it. I am seeing that it can be expanded. My dog woke me up, and I'm just puttering a bit to get to sleep again, but I'll work on it later today.


 * I wouldn't have gotten the Barnstar today, unfortunately, I got riled up. But, thanks for the recognition of work on FA articles. You've done a great job there, too. Thanks for your effort.–CaroleHenson (talk) 11:26, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Mona, Jamaica
Just wondering, is Mona, Jamaica a neighborhood of Kingston or a seperate town? ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 19:08, 1 June 2018 (UTC)


 * It's a neighbourhood... and has a Kingston postal code. See Kingston, Jamaica. (I did see one place where it was called a suburb).–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:12, 1 June 2018 (UTC)


 * As an FYI, I have expanded Draft:Roy Cape with several sources. The book source (I thinl it's #1 on the draft) has a lot of useful info if you want to take up the challenge. Per what you said at User:FloridaArmy's talk, I have left it in draftspace to be reviewed instead of immediately moving to article like the other articles. Still I think FA should work on a few since he is responsible for these substubs. Kind of unrelated but I noticed today that there are a lot of drafted state supreme court justices that could use work, such as Draft:Roy H. Chapman. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 01:10, 2 June 2018 (UTC)




 * Thanks for your work on the article. I'd be essentially useless, I am not familiar at all with the subject matter and notability of the subject or others mentioned in the article. A couple of questions: Do you think the subject is notable? Can some of the people, groups, etc. be linked to existing articles?--–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:25, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Nice work on the various Jamaica articles. You saved some that I thought had no hope. Meters (talk) 08:03, 2 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, I do think the subject is notable, otherwise I wouldn't have worked on the article. I am sure that some of the people mentioned can be linked to existing articles, and it can be a useful springboard for developing more calypso articles. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 13:43, 2 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Ok, excellent, !–CaroleHenson (talk) 13:45, 2 June 2018 (UTC)


 * , I don't have permission to move this draft over the page with the article name. Do you?–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:30, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm unclear as to your meaning. I have already moved the draft to Roy Cape. I didn't need to ask permission as it is a draft open for anyone to edit. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 17:40, 2 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Oh, good!!! Thanks! My mistake.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:47, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Moaning Lisa Smile
Hi there, regarding that page, please redirect it to My Love Is Cool if there's insufficient content to warrant it a page. I originally made a re-direct as such, but a user replaced it with an infobox. I'd prefer the re-direct to be kept instead of entirely deleting the page. Thanks. Daerl (talk) 02:28, 4 June 2018 (UTC)


 * , I think it is fine now. The problem was that there was just an infobox, but no content or citations.–CaroleHenson (talk) 08:59, 4 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Ah, thanks for the reply, then! Daerl (talk) 09:34, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Larus and Brother Company
Should I protect this? Deb (talk) 08:16, 3 June 2018 (UTC)


 * That would be great! Thanks so much.–CaroleHenson (talk) 08:23, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've done that. Only admins will be able to edit it for the next week (unless of course another admin decides to remove the protection). Deb (talk) 09:49, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks!–CaroleHenson (talk) 09:50, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think the article is a stub any more, though. Take care.-The Gnome (talk) 10:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll put in an edit request for that.


 * Per your post, I am just not seeing that this user is going to suddenly start following guidelines. Just the conversation I had with them regarding WP:COATRACK alone is stunning to me. I am ready to start drafting a list of issues, all centered on unwillingness to adhere to guidelines.–CaroleHenson (talk) 10:53, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * That would clearly be a net positive. -The Gnome (talk) 10:54, 3 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Do you have any issue with using a subpage or my sandbox to draft this - and you can add to it?–CaroleHenson (talk) 11:01, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * If I can add to anything, I usually do so, provided I know about it. -The Gnome (talk) 11:07, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

FloridaArmy
If User:FloridaArmy is being too much of a pain for you, my advice is to just step away for a while. You mentioned before that you thought his hear was in the right place (though due to your confrontation you might be changing your tune a bit). He may be a difficult user, but the best thing to do when things get heated is not engage. I think you mentioned you were suffering from some migraines, so now might be the best time for a short wikibreak. Your contributions are appreciated, but too much wikidrama is bad. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 17:14, 4 June 2018 (UTC)


 * But it isn't just Carole, is it? It is pretty much everyone except yourself and one other who posted a barnstar recently. If someone so evidently does not want to collaborate, they have no place here. - Sitush (talk) 17:19, 4 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the input. I am not putting the ANI draft together out of spite. I posted the message on their site in the event that they may decide to follow guidelines. I would absolutely LOVE not to do it, but I think it is the right thing to do based upon their continued absolute disdain for guidelines.
 * I became certain of this in a discussion where they said that their common sense overrides guidelines. That works for independent writing, not for an encyclopedia.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:20, 4 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Greetings, EDDY. As far as I'm concerned, FA is just another Wikipedia contributor and there's neither "pain" nor emotional investment in my criticism of that FA does. If there is "heat" it does not come from me. (Witness here, when instead of responding to my attempt at a constructive appraisal of what FA does wrong, FA deleted the comments from the talk page, labeling me a troll in the process.) When we have a serious problem, and FA is a serious problem, we deal with it; we do not "step away" from it. Imagine having a hundred editors with the same misguided attitude as FA, creating half-formed, unsourced, haphazardly put-together texts on the main space. The draft process seems to be anathema for FA, even though so many articles created by FA have been deleted. FA brushes aside advice and suggestions and carries on. Perhaps, you should try and help FA too. Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 18:48, 6 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Where did the male pronoun for FA come from? -The Gnome (talk) 18:48, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Fort Huerfano
I removed the PROD tag on Fort Huerfano as there were two sources I was able to find on it. That being said its notability is still in question and it may be a redirect target. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 22:33, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


 * , I don't think either of those meet the definition of reliable sources. One of them was used in the article previously and I removed it. Is there some indication that I missed that these are reliable?


 * I cannot add back a PROD, so maybe I should do an AfD. I am not seeing that this is the least bit notable. I even tried local libraries, the county historical society, etc. I spent about two hours trying to find a reliable source. (I am familiar of where to look for info for this area.)–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:39, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


 * From a biography on his life, it looks like Charlie Autobees established Fort Pueblo. See p. 174. The fort is mentioned to have been built by a former George Bent employee, which fits for Autobees (but isn't a direct tie). See this.


 * Thanks for jumping in, I wouldn't have found this without you. It's also so much more fun to edit with someone.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:04, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I think I see the confusion with Autobees and Fort Huerfano. Fort Huerfano was in Pueblo County near Avondale, which is on the Arkansas River. Autobees lived later in Huerfano County, off the Huerfano River, which is south of Pueblo, but someone who didn't know that might have thought that all the Huerfano places were in the same area.... I think I am going to move this to the article talk page.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:11, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Please respond at Talk:Fort Huerfano.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:15, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Seriously,, you are a good copy editor, and I don't mind you following the articles I've worked on. If you have an interest and time, it would be nice if you could look at Fort Le Duc. I do better on research and gathering info, and often miss minor wording issues - and you're really good at tightening the wording without changing the meaning (unless you're improving the meaning). If not interested, no worries.–CaroleHenson (talk) 02:05, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your compliment. I have copyedited the article and it now flows somewhat better. I have one question, what is the Taos Lightning? ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 02:27, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * A kind of moonshine.


 * Thanks for the editing!–CaroleHenson (talk) 02:39, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Farista, Colorado
Regarding Farista, Colorado, I think you may be confusing this census-designated place with Farisita, Colorado (note the different spelling), for which there is no article. Best wishes, Jeffrey Beall (talk) 17:29, 6 June 2018 (UTC).


 * I absolutely did. Thanks so much for pointing it out. I will make the changes.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:31, 6 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I see Farisita, Colorado redirects to Farista, Colorado. And part of my confusion was that the article already had content for what is defined in the source is Farisita... but it looks like they are on different sides of Walsenburg.


 * I see GNIS has two different entries. So, I will change the redirect into an article and ensure that the right coordinates apply to each article. Both in the same county for added confusion.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:43, 6 June 2018 (UTC)


 * , There are different GNIS records, but they have the exact same coordinates. I think it's an alternate name issue. I have no idea why GNIS would say one is a populated place and another is incorporated if it's the same place.


 * What made you think it was two different places?–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:57, 6 June 2018 (UTC)


 * On Google Maps, Farista is in a different place than the GNIS coordinates here. I'll stop researching for a bit.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:03, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I think that Farista is actually a former census-designated place (not a current one as I implied, sorry). Now much of Farista has been annexed by Walsenburg and is sometimes called "Northlands" by Walsenburg city officials. This map shows them as two different and separate locations. Also, if you look at the NRHP nomination form for the Montoya Ranch in Farisita, you'll see that area described. I am glad you created a new article for Farisita; it looks great. Perhaps you want to mention the Montoya Ranch in it? Also, see this topo map.Thanks, Jeffrey Beall (talk) 18:53, 6 June 2018 (UTC).
 * Thanks, boy was I confused for a minute... as you saw, but I think I have it squared away now. And, I put a message on the talk page of each article with a map I had found as well. I'll take a look at your info, too.
 * I am in the middle of something right now, but I may come back for the Montoya Ranch info. In the meantime, if you want to add something, feel free. Thanks for letting me know of the issue!–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:12, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

, I went ahead and drafted Montoya Ranch. It's a start anyway.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:35, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Image of Charles Autobees
Why do you think File:Charles Autobees 1812 to 1882.jpg is public domain? Unpublished works, no matter how old, are not automatically public domain just because they were created before 1923 (see Public domain). Do you have any publication information about the image? Smmurphy(Talk) 20:49, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I thought I saw this in a newspaper article or some other early publication. I am not quickly finding it, I looked at so many, many sources trying to find a source for Fort Huerfano that recreating all those steps is a bit overwhelming. But I remember it was a poorer image. If you want to remove it, I am fine with that.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:16, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if commons catches issues in images like this, but my understanding is that they don't accept fair use uploads. If you can't find an original publication one alternative is to use Special:Uploads using WP:NFCI #10 as your justification. Some people ignore the distinction between photos taken before 1923 and photos published before 1923 and it looks to me like they get away with it, but I wanted to make sure you were aware of the difference. I'm also not 100% sure that low resolution newspaper printings of images count as publication of higher resolution versions of images - it is up to you if you want to check or not of course. Looking at deletion discussions at commons, the burden their seems enormous so I try to make sure I'm following the rules as best I can as my mistakes are less likely to be fixed over there than they are here at WP. Smmurphy(Talk) 21:28, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * This would qualify as fair use, because he is deceased. But it has to be put into lower resolution. I am happy to upload the photo that way.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:40, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ And, put a fair use deletion request tag on the commons version.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:52, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Great. Smmurphy(Talk) 10:03, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It looks like the image was not deleted from commons and the tag was removed. I am not sure what the rational is and I'm not sweating it, I just thought I'd let you know. Smmurphy(Talk) 16:45, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

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 * Thanks so much . As I mentioned on the comment for the non-free fair use rationale template, I am unable to reduce the size with my the limited software on my computer and still keep the numbers.


 * Hopefully someone else can reduce the size and get a better quality than I got. Thanks, though, for the heads up!!! At this point the image is very integral to the article discussion of the bands.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:13, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Sanpitch
Please respond to comments on Talk:Sanpitch. Sanpitch (talk) 00:21, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:06, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Piaute
It appears to me that the Paiute Indian Tribe of Utah is part of the Southern Paiute, and therefore not ambiguous to it (i.e., an unrelated term coincidentally sharing the same name). Is this correct? bd2412 T 14:17, 18 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes,, but it's confusing to get to the Paiute Indian Tribe of Utah from the Paiute page otherwise. Instead of the disambig page, perhaps add something to the sentence on Southern Paiute on the Paiute page?
 * Southern Paiute of northern Arizona, southern Nevada, and southwestern Utah, including the Paiute Indian Tribe of Utah


 * I am also pinging about this. I added a message on their page.–CaroleHenson (talk) 14:25, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Are people likely to look up this specific tribe at the base name "Piaute"? An alternative would be to list some subsets under the three main divisions - perhaps either including all of them, or including the largest or most historically prominent, with an indication that others are included on the pages for those divisions. bd2412  T 14:30, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I did. I was looking for Paiute that two Ute bands integrated into... I didn't know the long name.


 * That sounds like a good idea, if TaivoLinguist is ok with it.–CaroleHenson (talk) 14:33, 18 June 2018 (UTC)


 * If a reader goes to "Paiute" looking for an article on a particular kind of Paiute, the three types are clearly defined geographically and they should go to the region they are looking for. In the case of the Paiute Tribe of Utah, there is only one possibility for navigation, to Southern Paiute people.  That's where the information should be located.  The Paiute page exists only to move people onto one of the other pages.  It's not a warehouse for every item that lists "Paiute" in the name.  --Taivo (talk) 16:54, 18 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Copying over from User talk:TaivoLinguist
 * Sorry, but this discussion determined that Paiute would not be a disambiguation page, but a set index page. As such it is a combination guide and definition, but not a full-blown article with a list of every page that includes the word "Paiute".  These individual pages must be linked to either Northern Paiute people or Southern Paiute people since there is no such entity as "Paiute".  If you look at the Paiute Tribe of Utah page, you will see that it is clearly labelled and linked to Southern Paiute.  --Taivo (talk) 16:49, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

, I created the disambiguation page based upon your edit that the Paiute page was not a disambiguation page.

I get that you want the page exactly the way it is now, but why not add more clarifying information? If I got confused, someone else would... and why not provide direct links rather than having to scout around for the right page?

It's not the Paiute Tribe of Utah, right? Or, should that page be renamed? Couldn't more info make it clearer for all of us. See Indigenous peoples of the Great Basin–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:03, 18 June 2018 (UTC)


 * How about:
 * Northern Paiute, eastern California, Nevada, Oregon, southwestern Idaho. It includes the Kucadikadi of Mono Lake Paiute, California and Bannock, Idaho
 * Mono, which includes the Eastern (Owens Valley Paiute) and Western Mono of southeastern California
 * Southern Paiute, Arizona, Nevada, Utah. It includes the Chemehuevi, southeastern California; Kaibab, northwestern Arizona; Kaiparowtis, southwestern Utah; Moapa, southern Nevada; Panaca; Panguitch, Utah; Paranigets, southern Nevada; and Shivwits, southwestern Utah


 * And, add Paiute Indian Tribe of Utah, which is not included in the list at Indigenous peoples of the Great Basin.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:19, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I should have typed Paiute Indian Tribe of Utah. What we don't want to build is an interminable list of every band and subband name, especially if those names are just redirects to other articles (like Kaiparowits).  This page is nothing more than a signpost to regional affiliations for the meaningless term "Paiute".  My original plan was for Paiute to be a disambiguation page, but for some reason other editors thought that my brief geographical additions made it not a disambiguation page (although uncontested disambiguation pages like Macedonia include a fair amount of clarifying text).  I still think that this would be better as a disambiguation page.  Perhaps we can just quietly make it look like disambiguation page without actually calling it one.  I don't have time today, but let me put something together tomorrow that might fit the bill better and we can talk then.  --Taivo (talk) 18:56, 18 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks!–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:37, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

NPP Backlog Elimination Drive
Hello, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

We can see the light at the end of the tunnel: there are currently 2900 unreviewed articles, and 4000 unreviewed redirects.

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 * Please do not be hasty, take your time and fully review each page. It is extremely important that we focus on quality reviewing.

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Recent work
I just want to say, you've been on fire lately with article creation/expansion. Nice work! Keep it up! ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 20:48, 4 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks,, and thanks for the edit to Samuel Wolcott. Silly, silly mistakes I make sometimes!!!–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:03, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Comment
On Isaias Afwerki. (1) In 1961, the Eritrean Liberation Front (ELF) was formed to wage an Armed Struggle for liberating the land from foreign rule. Hence, there was never a War for Independence. ELF was never able to wage against heavily armed Ethiopia. It was a STRUGGLE (Gedli-ገድሊ). In Eritrea, a mother who could have lost two sons in the struggle NEVER says they died in the "War for Independence". She says they were SACRIFICED IN THE STRUGGLE. This is VERY IMPORTANT for painting a correct and accurate picture for the astute reader who wishes to know the truth. (2) After the World War II (1941 for our regions) many people from Tigray province of Ethiopia ended up Eritrea. It is very possible that Isaias' mother might have been descended from parents that came from Tigray. But there are those that deny this saying that it is the opposition of Isaias government that has fabricated this story. I surely don't know the truth and in places like Eritrea and Ethiopia there were no records of birth dates let alone the ancestors of the parents. (3) Now, if Isias' mother's parents are traced, how about his father's parents? Where did they come from? Therefore, it is best just to give his father's name and mother's name and leave their ancestors alone. (4) The same goes in the mention of saying that Meles of Ethiopia was Isaias' cousin. This relationship is very iffy. Those who hated Isias from all sides wished to say that Isiaias isn't a true Eritrean but related with the enemy. THERE, I SAID MY PIECE. Of course, I am BEING VERY OBJECTIVE TO STATE THE MOST ACCURATE FOR THE READER. Isaias could care less.Erescholar (talk) 05:37, 19 July 2018 (UTC)--Erescholar (talk) 05:37, 19 July 2018 (UTC)


 * It could be good to keep this with the discussion that started on the article talk page. I am going to copy it and respond there.–CaroleHenson (talk) 06:10, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for that. I realized what you were talking about after I pinged you. I’ve rolled back and hidden your talk page post because it’s a bit too close to comfort for me on the information that was previously suppressed by an oversighter. TonyBallioni (talk) 23:43, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I understood when I saw it. Thanks for that!–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:45, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.12 30 July 2018
Hello, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

Overall the June backlog drive was a success, reducing the last 3,000 or so to below 500. However, as expected, 90% of the patrolling was done by less than 10% of reviewers. Since the drive closed, the backlog has begun to rise sharply again and is back up to nearly 1,400 already. Please help reduce this total and keep it from raising further by reviewing some articles each day.
 * June backlog drive


 * New technology, new rules
 * New features are shortly going to be added to the Special:NewPagesFeed which include a list of drafts for review, OTRS flags for COPYVIO, and more granular filter preferences. More details can be found at this page.
 * Probationary permissions: Now that PERM has been configured to allow expiry dates to all minor user rights, new NPR flag holders may sometimes be limited in the first instance to 6 months during which their work will be assessed for both quality and quantity of their reviews. This will allow admins to accord the right in borderline cases rather than make a flat out rejection.
 * Current reviewers who have had the flag for longer than 6 months but have not used the permissions since they were granted will have the flag removed, but may still request to have it granted again in the future, subject to the same probationary period, if they wish to become an active reviewer.


 * Editathons
 * Editathons will continue through August. Please be gentle with new pages that obviously come from good faith participants, especially articles from developing economies and ones about female subjects. Consider using the 'move to draft' tool rather than bluntly tagging articles that may have potential but which cannot yet reside in mainspace.

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Question
Greetings. I'm close to a non-admin closure of a long and winding and contentious RfC but I'd like some input on it from experienced, uninvolved admins. I'd like to send you the text of the decision in a confidential way. How do we go about this? -The Gnome (talk) 11:20, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi,, I have been very active on ANI lately, but I am not an admin. I have been starting my initial comment in each section with non-admin comment. Sorry.–CaroleHenson (talk) 13:17, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You can try me if you like, but I can't promise as it depends on the subject material. If it's anything Trump related, I can't help. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  13:36, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Books & Bytes, Issue 31
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Issue 31, October – Novemeber 2018  French version of Books & Bytes is now available on meta!
 * OAWiki
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 * Global branches update
 * Bytes in brief

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NPR Newsletter No.16 15 December 2018
Hello ,

This year's award for the Reviewer of the Year goes to. Around on Wikipedia since 2011, their staggering number of 26,554reviews over the past twelve months makes them, together with an additional total of 275,285edits, one of Wikipedia's most prolific users.
 * Reviewer of the Year
 * Thanks are also extended for their work to (15,059 reviews),  (12,760reviews),  (9,001reviews),  (8,440reviews),  (8,092reviews),   (5,306reviews),  (4,153 reviews),  (4,016reviews),  and  (3,615reviews)., , , and  have been New Page Reviewers for less than a year — Barkeep49 for only sevenmonths, while , with an edit count of 250,000 since she joined Wikipedia in 2008, has been a bastion of New Page Patrol for many years.

See also the list of top100 reviewers.

The backlog is now approaching 5,000, and still rising. There are around 640holders of the NPR flag, most of whom appear to be inactive. The 10% of the reviewers who do 90% of the work could do with some support especially as some of them are now taking a well deserved break.
 * Less good news, and an appeal for some help

At #1 position, the Community Wishlist poll closed on 3December with a resounding success for NPP, reminding the WMF and the volunteer communities just how critical NPP is to maintaining a clean encyclopedia and the need for improved tools to do it. A big 'thank you' to everyone who supported the NPP proposals. See the results.
 * Really good news - NPR wins the Community Wishlist Survey 2019

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NPR Newsletter No.15 16 November 2018
Hello ,
 * Community Wishlist Survey – NPP needs you – Vote NOW
 * Community Wishlist Voting takes place 16 to 30 November for the Page Curation and New Pages Feed improvements, and other software requests. The NPP community is hoping for a good turnout in support of the requests to Santa for the tools we need. This is very important as we have been asking the Foundation for these upgrades for 4 years.


 * If this proposal does not make it into the top ten, it is likely that the tools will be given no support at all for the foreseeable future. So please put in a vote today.


 * We are counting on significant support not only from our own ranks, but from everyone who is concerned with maintaining a Wikipedia that is free of vandalism, promotion, flagrant financial exploitation and other pollution.


 * With all 650 reviewers voting for these urgently needed improvements, our requests would be unlikely to fail. See also The Signpost Special report: 'NPP: This could be heaven or this could be hell for new users – and for the reviewers', and if you are not sure what the wish list is all about, take a sneak peek at an article in this month's upcoming issue of The Signpost which unfortunately due to staff holidays and an impending US holiday will probably not be published until after voting has closed.

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Books & Bytes, Issue 30
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Issue 30, August – Septmeber 2018  French version of Books & Bytes is now available in meta!
 * Library Card translation
 * Spotlight: 1Lib1Ref spreads to the Southern Hemisphere and beyond
 * Wikimedia and Libraries User Group update
 * Global branches update
 * Bytes in brief

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NPR Newsletter No.14 21 October 2018
Hello, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

, there are 3650 unreviewed articles and the backlog now stretches back 51 days.
 * Backlog


 * Community Wishlist Proposal
 * There is currently an ongoing discussion regarding the drafting of a Community Wishlist Proposal for the purpose of requesting bug fixes and missing/useful features to be added to the New Page Feed and Curation Toolbar.
 * Please join the conversation as we only have until 29 October to draft this proposal!


 * Project updates
 * ORES predictions are now built-in to the feed. These automatically predict the class of an article as well as whether it may be spam, vandalism, or an attack page, and can be filtered by these criteria now allowing reviewers to better target articles that they prefer to review.
 * There are now tools being tested to automatically detect copyright violations in the feed. This detector may not be accurate all the time, though, so it shouldn't be relied on 100% and will only start working on new revisions to pages, not older pages in the backlog.


 * New scripts
 * User:Enterprisey/cv-revdel.js(info) — A new script created for quickly placing copyvio-revdel on a page.

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NPR Newsletter No.13 18 September 2018
Hello, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

The New Page Feed currently has 2700 unreviewed articles, up from just 500 at the start of July. For a while we were falling behind by an average of about 40 articles per day, but we have stabilised more recently. Please review some articles from the back of the queue if you can (Sort by: 'Oldest' at Special:NewPagesFeed), as we are very close to having articles older than one month.


 * Project news
 * The New Page Feed now has a new "Articles for Creation" option which will show drafts instead of articles in the feed, this shouldn't impact NPP activities and is part of the WMF's AfC Improvement Project.
 * As part of this project, the feed will have some larger updates to functionality next month. Specifically, ORES predictions will be built in, which will automatically flag articles for potential issues such as vandalism or spam. Copyright violation detection will also be added to the new page feed. See the projects's talk page for more info.


 * There are a number of coordination tasks for New Page Patrol that could use some help from experienced reviewers. See New pages patrol/Coordination for more info to see if you can help out.


 * Other
 * A new summary page of reliable sources has been created; Identifying reliable sources/Perennial sources, which summarizes existing RfCs or RSN discussions about regularly used sources.


 * Moving to Draft and Page Mover
 * Some unsuitable new articles can be best reviewed by moving them to the draft space, but reviewers need to do this carefully and sparingly. It is most useful for topics that look like they might have promise, but where the article as written would be unlikely to survive AfD. If the article can be easily fixed, or if the only issue is a lack of sourcing that is easily accessible, tagging or adding sources yourself is preferable. If sources do not appear to be available and the topic does not appear to be notable, tagging for deletion is preferable (PROD/AfD/CSD as appropriate). See additional guidance at WP:DRAFTIFY.
 * If the user moves the draft back to mainspace, or recreates it in mainspace, please do not re-draftify the article (although swapping it to maintain the page history may be advisable in the case of copy-paste moves). AfC is optional except for editors with a clear conflict of interest.
 * Articles that have been created in contravention of our paid-editing-requirements or written from a blatant NPOV perspective, or by authors with a clear COI might also be draftified at discretion.
 * The best tool for draftification is User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js(info). Kindly adapt the text in the dialogue-pop-up as necessary (the default can also be changed like this). Note that if you do not have the Page Mover userright, the redirect from main will be automatically tagged as CSD R2, but in some cases it might be better to make this a redirect to a different page instead.
 * The Page Mover userright can be useful for New Page Reviewers; occasionally page swapping is needed during NPR activities, and it helps avoid excessive R2 nominations which must be processed by admins. Note that the Page Mover userright has higher requirements than the NPR userright, and is generally given to users active at Requested Moves. Only reviewers who are very experienced and are also very active reviewers are likely to be granted it solely for NPP activities.

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Books & Bytes – Issue 29
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Issue 29, June – July 2018  Hindi, Italian and French versions of Books & Bytes are now available in meta!
 * New partners
 * Economic & Political Weekly–10 accounts
 * Wikimania
 * Wikimedia and Libraries User Group update
 * Global branches update
 * Bytes in brief

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