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It was a mass revert of a notorious user. Have you got a reliable source that says he is of Sicilian descent? GiantSnowman 18:39, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
 * That is not a reliable source... GiantSnowman 19:46, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
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I was going to ask you to remove your comments, but I have put them in the hatted thread. I know it's frustrating for the same 'new' accounts to come on the Talk page and make the same false claims, but expanding the Talk page into a forum will only make things worse, imo. No offense meant. Dave Dial (talk) 04:43, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

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World's Columbian Exposition
I feel an American Art at the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition list/table coming on.

I consolidated your "Carr" citations using this -- -- which pares down the number of footnotes and displays the page number by the name of the artist/work. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 12:21, 27 June 2018 (UTC)


 * So, take a look at this, User:BoringHistoryGuy/sandbox, and see if you think it's worth proceeding. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:29, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

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Women in Red
Hi there, Carptrash. Good to see we have one more experienced editor as a member of WiR. Hope you will find time to create lots of women's biographies. If you ever run into any difficulties or need assistance, please let me know or contribute to our WiR talk page. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 14:00, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

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Second opinion
I left a note on Doncram's talkpage. Let us know what you think. Perhaps this would require an RfC?Zigzig20s (talk) 19:44, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Would you like to edit both articles? In this article, just after Morton in the early history, we could add that NBF was inducted at the Maxwell House Hotel (since it was Morton who inducted him), and that the organization led to countless lynchings, yet Douglas Henry thought it was a good idea to 'honor' him with a bust in the state house in the 1970s... In the other article, it would be in "Reconstruction and Jim Crow." Note that the "women's rights" section fails to mention that the UDC was founded there... Perhaps it could be renamed "Some women's rights"...Zigzig20s (talk) 02:16, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Doncram: FYI.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:04, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not not responding, but not sure what's going on exactly. Sure, a bust of NBF being placed in Nashville in the 1970s is a pretty big fact, probably worth mentioning in the Nashville, Tennessee and/or History of Tennessee articles, as was suggested at my talk page.  Not sure what is controversial editorially about making objective mentions, though maybe those are not so easy.  But I also did/do not really understand all the energy around the List of Confederate memorials article.  What is being discussed here that would be a disservice to readers, I am not following, much less what would require or benefit from an RFC.  Is the goal here to get the "right amount" of exposure about NBF into Tennessee articles?  BTW, I watched some of this YouTube of National Park Service lecture about NBF in which it is developed that NBF is a popular hero in northern Mississippi while other Confederates like Joe Wheeler are heroes in other local areas of Mississippi. --Doncram (talk) 18:48, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Doncram: Yes, the issue may be due weight, but here I think it is overdue since they're not shy about it. Would you like to update the first article based on what I suggested above and your own editorial expertise please? You can find sources in Maxwell House Hotel and Nathan Bedford Forrest Bust. Or should we agree on a few lines together first?Zigzig20s (talk) 23:42, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Again I am not intending to avoid this, but then also I find that I don't really have a lot of perspective about what is most appropriate to include in an article about Nashville, relative to other things that might be mentioned. At first glance I don't see anything much of relevance in the Maxwell House Hotel article, i.e. i don't see any statement to copy/transfer from there.  There is more substantial coverage in the  Nathan Bedford Forrest Bust article, which seems to adequately explain some controversy from its installation in 1978.  It seems to me that it should be mentioned in Tennessee State Capitol, where it is not yet mentioned i think, before being mentioned in the Nashville article. --Doncram (talk) 03:28, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * And the TN state secretary, Tre Hargett, wants to keep it there.Zigzig20s (talk) 15:49, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Doncram: The reason why the hotel is relevant is because NBF was inducted there in Nashville. That's what makes the bust especially relevant. And it is not a minor detail in the history of the city. It makes more sense then that the UDC was founded there. Currently the article only mentions Morton. If you re-read what I wrote earlier, I think we could expand on that and add more about NBF plus the bust.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:53, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Parkwells: Thoughts?Zigzig20s (talk) 17:36, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I am actually staying away from CSA monuments these days after bailing out on the main article. Carptrash (talk) 17:02, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I took a break too because it ended up creeping me out, but in this case I feel we may be doing a disservice to our readers.Zigzig20s (talk) 17:33, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Zigzig20s I looked at that "some women's rights" thing. You have a point, of course, but it is true that organizations like the UDC are frequently described as emancipatory in that sense. One is reminded of the idea of white women's tears. I have no easy answer or suggestions for this matter: we are encouraged not to editorialize, of course... BTW I've been to the memorial twice now. Give me a ping if you're in the neighborhood and I'll go with you. Drmies (talk) 17:37, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I have heard that, but we would need to figure out who spread that idea. Was it members of the Southern Historical Society, or friends of Edith D. Pope? (I would highly recommend reading Edith D. Pope and Her Nashville Friends: Guardians of the Lost Cause in the Confederate Veteran.) Adelicia Acklen couldn't vote but she was very powerful--undoubtedly more so than poor men. But we would need an RS. Is there literature about this by African-American Studies scholars that we could cite?Zigzig20s (talk) 17:20, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I felt that in that case we were doing a huge disservice to our readers too. I was outnumbered. Carptrash (talk) 17:38, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm about to log off, but I'd be happy to help if I can. Drmies (talk) 17:53, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Drmies (and others): Do you have an informed opinion about whether we should add that Forrest was inducted in Nashville in this article (after Morton), and that the city has "honored" him with a bust in their state house since the 1970s please? It is all factual and seems overdue to me but I could be wrong.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:45, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Have faith in your feelings. If you think it should be there then put it there. Carptrash (talk) 02:12, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I only have faith in reliable third-party sources. I feel it does contextualize the UDC's founding decades later and even possibly this (and this), but that's an opinion. Do you think it should be there?Zigzig20s (talk) 02:30, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Since trust my feelings better than any source I am probably not the person to be asking. Carptrash (talk) 04:03, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm I have both--feelings and consideration of sources. First of all, the bust could be mentioned in the same paragraph as Morton, but the placement of the bust is very much a 20th-c thing, so chronologically that doesn't work all that great (though a sentence like "NBF, inducted in that chapter in 18xx, was honored with a bust in 19xx", might be appropriate)--those monuments and their placement is a Jim Crow/Civil Rights era thing so placing it in the 20th-c era fits better. Ideally we'd have a section for "Racial history and Civil Rights" or something like that--for many, many articles on cities and states in the US. Anyway, if there is sourcing, and it's not just newspaper articles reporting contemporarily about the controversy, then you have a good argument for putting it there. Thanks, and good luck--and yes, I agree you should trust your judgment (that's not the same as feelings) and if it tells you to be bold, then go for it. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:11, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * , at this point I will say, "Well spoken" and pass on the opportunity to present my opinion that all judgements are in reality based on feelings. Carptrash (talk) 16:21, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, User:Drmies, NBF was inducted there, nowhere else. Perhaps that should not be absent from the 19th century section. The bust is controversial but they could always remove it. Historical facts like the location of the induction don't go away, and given how much damage his ideas/actions did to his fellow citizens, I don't see why I'd be the one to be bold. It seems very bold (outrageous even) to leave it out.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:07, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry--I thought you were asking me if it was a good idea to put it in. I'm obviously agreeing with that, if the sourcing is good (meaning not just that it happened, which shouldn't be doubted, but that the sourcing proves that scholars, historians, etc. agree that it matters). It sounds like you're taking issue with what I said, like I'm arguing against inclusion or something. I'm not. Drmies (talk) 18:18, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Drmies: I think you could be a great editor to do it, given all your experience with controversial topics.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:36, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * This is your edit, why are you being so squirrelly about doing it? Do it. we all agree. Carptrash (talk) 18:52, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * No, I don't own any content.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:11, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It would not be chronological, but we could also add this. What do you think?Zigzig20s (talk) 16:29, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * That would be fine. I do find the claim in the Beverly Briley article that " He was an alcoholic.[2] " and sourced to a newspaper to be unusual.  Mostly newspapers don't carry that sort of information. Carptrash (talk) 16:36, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * "Briley, who acknowledged he had a drinking problem, also underwent surgery a few months ago for cancer."Zigzig20s (talk) 16:44, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * well there it is. Carptrash (talk) 17:25, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I still feel we should agree on a specific text together before it gets added to the article.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:18, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

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Charting statistics
Hi there. Do not worry - my main concerns were the fact that the statement was only true for the charts in the United States, and that this is only true for the Hot 100 era. In order to qualify a statement like that my problem with a lot of those statements is that there are so many parameters which need to be drawn - number one during the Hot 100 era in the United States.

I have been collecting vintage music over the last year or so. It is amazing, for example, how many Gogi Grant tracks there are out there quite apart from her only Top 30 UK hit "The Wayward Wind". When you can find over 100 songs for a singer who only had a single charting hit, this is perhaps both thorough and overly obsessive! I have found, for example, nearly 60 songs by - and cover versions of songs by - Marcie Blane.

Stay well. Bobo. 18:18, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The UK seems to be in the center of the "vintage music" (as you put it) revival, at least in terms of putting the music out here for us to find, on CD. Because of personal finance reasons I can't buy all the music I'd like to but what I can afford seems to come in 2 CD sets, published in the UK. Carptrash (talk) 18:28, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Youtube is a wonderful thing, has opened my eyes to so much more than is commercially available. Modern music obsessives (obsessive being a hyperbolic exaggeration) couldn't exist without it! There is a wonderful old philosophy on Wikipedia that no article can be perfect because no article can - dynamically - contain every single piece of necessary information. The same is true of a music collection. Bobo. 18:37, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

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Doo-wop
I'll hold off editing for now... may get back to it tomorrow. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:12, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I am poking away at little stuff - will avoid anything controversial . .... until tomorrow. Carptrash (talk) 16:30, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

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Please block a fellow "Wikipedian" named FlightTime, he keeps reverting peoples accurate edits and often has them blocked for no reason. I would love to do this myself but I seem to have trouble blocking him from editing on Wikipedia. Anyways, thank you for thanking my previous edit that I did on the article 'Mann Made', I have full respect for that.Foreverchanges1167 (talk) 16:21, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Glendale Veterans War Memorial
Please do not "repurpose" existing articles into completely different topics, as you did here, with Glendale Veterans War Memorial. This is not the correct way to create a new article. It creates a false appearance of a longstanding article history, and removes the previous information without an appropriate process. bd2412 T 20:48, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
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Luella A. Varney Serrao
Hi Carptrash, For the List of American sculptors exhibited at the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition, please see the new article on Luella Varney. I don't know how to add her to your table. Best, WAU WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 19:56, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Image location
Hi there. There seems to be some confusion at List of Confederate monuments and memorials about where was taken. Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 09:56, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I fixed the caption on wikipedia, will check out Commons shortly. Thanks, Carptrash (talk) 15:18, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

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Telefilm Mano rubata
Hi, dearest Carptrash, how are you? Me fine, here in Caselle Landi Autumn is arrived, just a little fresh more!

I opened this short page, just a little stub, and I ask you some minute of your time, please, to read it an put in correct English the plot. Thanks a lot and hope to hear from you soon.

Sincerely

Rei Momo (talk) 07:07, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you, my dear, but I think I didn't explannate as goos, because I wanted a little time for the page Mano rubata. My English is very poor... :-(, can you visit, please, this page too? Grazie mille!!! Rei Momo (talk) 18:10, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
 * About the monument you've seen, yes, it's the monument to the soldiers of the 2 wars of 20th century (1915-1918 and 1940-1945). caduti is the past-participe of cadere or better fall-down that means Monument to the soldiers fallen-down (on the wars). See you very soon... Rei Momo (talk) 18:14, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

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I haven't been able to find a reliable third-party source about whether or not Earl Heikka ever wore a tiara...Zigzig20s (talk) 02:12, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * He could be wearing it right now. Carptrash (talk) 16:18, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * In Heaven? Yes, I think Heaven may be a place with tiaras and disco balls. By the way, he committed suicide at 31. I am wondering if we could create categories like Category:Suicides at 31, Category:Suicides at 32, Category:Suicides at 33, etc (starting younger and up to 100 or so...) but are there enough notable individuals who committed suicide each year for it? Perhaps some ages like 30 would be easier to populate...I think it could be very interesting to see what they'd achieved and if there are specific life stages when people are more likely to say goodbye. What do you think?Zigzig20s (talk) 23:15, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * One theory is that if you commit suicide you do not get past the Pearly Gates. Though I am not sure that this can be found in the Bible.  So much Christian theology is NOT found there.  There is a List of people who committed suicide with which it would be pretty easy to determine at what ages folks were doing it.  It might make an interesting graph, suicide by age. Are you thinking about this just to piss off the "NO THIS SHOULD NOT BE A CATEGORY" folks?  If so, count me in. Carptrash (talk) 23:46, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * They deleted Category:Wikipedians who are non-violence advocates, which I found quite useful. I have been wondering if the grandchildren of the KKK have been trying to frame me for citing newspaper articles and books?Zigzig20s (talk) 01:08, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Nothing would surprise me any more. Carptrash (talk) 07:19, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Welcome back. I hope you're on the mend. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:21, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, back, though in less than perfect shape. Though truth be told, it has been a while since I could claim perfection. Carptrash (talk) 00:43, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * What happened? Anyway, I looked at the list you shared...I think it could be turned into a table, in which case the data could appear alphabetically, but also chronologically, by location, by age, and ideally by motivation. Right now we only have a list in alphabetical order, with death dates (not ages). Would you be able to upload your graph in your sandbox please?Zigzig20s (talk) 01:19, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * What happened was that the lens in one of my eyes came loose and was wandering all over the place. Eventually I got surgery, but not before I took a nasty fall and messed up - among things, a knee and a shoulder.  I have all the "B" data ready to be put on the graph, after which time I will upload it somewhere. Maybe this evening, but dinner first. Carptrash (talk) 01:30, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Glad the eye is fixed. NM for Xmas? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:59, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, not exactly fixed. The surgery seems to have kicked off a bout of glaucoma - if you want something to think about that you probably don't want to think about, my eyeball pressure doubled, which is not good, so that's what we are working on now.  I am back in AZ, as of two days ago, so X-mas and all that will be here. Carptrash (talk) 02:22, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay. Let's take this conversation to email. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:27, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Kingsif reviewed Heikka for me. He thinks "a lot" of people commit suicide at 31. We are trying to figure out if there are certain ages when it peaks, and where, and why, etc. Carp, not sure if you've had time to work on your graph, there is no deadline as you know...Zigzig20s (talk) 03:22, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I got pinged and read the top of the thread before leaving. Don't you think it's a bit insensitive to have "suicides at 31" etc. as categories, especially if filtered "by motivation" as I just read in a comment above? (Here are statistics, the green table shows that the group with age 31 in it has the second highest suicide rate, which is also the age group's second most common cause of death. Lots of people do this kind of study, Wikipedia probably doesn't need to). Kingsif (talk) 03:28, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe they're too healthy to die from an illness before 34? That does not necessarily mean that there are more people who commit suicide before 34.Zigzig20s (talk) 03:37, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I have the wikistats for the Cs but have not graphed them yet. Carptrash (talk) 03:47, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you could do just up to C in your sandbox to show us/me what it looks like?Zigzig20s (talk) 16:07, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I am not entirely sure that it is telling us much?Zigzig20s (talk) 16:23, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, well it is telling us just what it says. The ages at which some famous people killed themselves.  I have become rather interested in the professions of these sam,r folks. Carptrash (talk) 16:36, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I think turning the list you shared into a table with columns (age, location, motivation, etc.) would tell us more.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:52, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Go for it. Carptrash (talk) 18:54, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Too time-consuming. Others will do it at some point I hope; we don't have to.Zigzig20s (talk) 10:20, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Category talk:Suicide. No one seems to care though?Zigzig20s (talk) 12:56, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

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I was thinking
… about using this photo of yours in a Season's Greetings message, with lots of puns and double entendres, but that would be misogynistic. Maybe I should just keep staring at it until I feel inspired. Hope you're feeling better. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:07, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I feel a little bit better every day. My shoulder is the real not-feel-good spot and every day I can reach a little bit farther without feeling as if the Spanish Inquisition just got through with me.  I am reading Tudor historical fiction now and they are happily burning folks at the stake.  Thanks, Sir Thomas More. Carptrash (talk) 04:40, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * "What a Day for an Auto da Fe!" == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 12:22, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * That cheers me up - somewhat. Carptrash (talk) 15:42, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

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Happy editing, into 2019 and beyond! -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:03, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Second opinion
Stylistically, shouldn't it be "the" abolition of the death penalty?Zigzig20s (talk) 15:04, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The "the" is not needed, so the reductionists show up and remove it. Interesting article, I believe that telling Christians to act like Christians is a loosing proposition. Carptrash (talk) 16:36, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * His article in Southern Changes is quite interesting. I hope I don't get framed now.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:44, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Best wishes for a happy 2019
Welcome back. Got a bit looped at a New Year's brunch. Not a bad way to start 2019. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 21:10, 1 January 2019 (UTC)


 * My year ended with a New Year's Party, from 5 to 8:30. So, Sun City Style.  I passed on today's invite because I would be the only drinker. Carptrash (talk) 22:17, 1 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I've been carless for 10 days because of brake problems. Expect to have it back tomorrow or Thursday. Hope the shoulder continues to improve. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 22:27, 1 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I think perhaps I'd rather have a car than a shoulder. Carptrash (talk) 22:31, 1 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Being carless hasn't been too much of a hindrance. Although I get tired of imposing on Joann. As I've said before, it's nice to have a mechanic I can trust. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 22:48, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * After not having a working heater in my car for a year and a half I finally had to get it fixed when it was hitting 0º in New Mexico. Now at 40º or 50º in AZ I find that I am happy to have it working.  The fix came about because there was a trustworthy mechanic in Velarde, 10 or so miles from me in Embudo, NM. Carptrash (talk) 23:42, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Bad pun headline from CNN: "Where's Wall Dough?" == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:31, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

2019


Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy 2019 -

begin it with music and memories

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Please check out "Happy" once more, for a smile, and sharing (a Nobel Peace Prize), and resolutions. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:10, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, yes, but he was younger than me, died too young. My grandmother was a Red Cross nurse in WWI, so also won (by my reckoning) 0.0001% of the Nobel Peace Prize. Carptrash (talk) 16:36, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLIII, January 2019
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Category:Wikipedians who wear tiaras
Category:Wikipedians who wear tiaras has been deleted.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:49, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I saw. To pharaphrase Chuck Willis, "Gonna hang up my wikipedia tiera."
 * At least I am still "on strike"--for now!Zigzig20s (talk) 19:58, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Please define "strike." I don't wnat to be a scab and cross your picket line. Carptrash (talk) 20:07, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Anything coming from me without a reliable third-party source or a "citation needed" tag is bound to be satirical (even in real life), but in this particular case I felt there were too many rules and I wanted to get a sense of agency. You may go on strike too.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:11, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Well is there a Category:Anarcho-wikipedians? Because that is a cat I'd be willing to go to the mat for. I somewhat related news, my wife, who is in the mountains of northern New Mexico (15 minutes ago) called to say that 12 large black federal police SUVs, followed by at least two helicopters and then 4 even bigger armored cars with what looked like battering ram fronts just drove by.  Hmmm.  federal employees.  Wonder if they are getting paid?  In any case, this is not just manœuvres,  someone is in for a world of hurt.
 * You may want to contextualize your picture: it was your Halloween costume.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:37, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I am not an "anarchist" by the way. I like rules when they make sense and when everyone (not just rich people) can follow them. I just think we have too many counter-productive rules.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:04, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes, this more militant fellow in the picture does not exactly represent me, but I do consider myself to be an anarchist. so it's okay. Carptrash (talk) 00:07, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I am a completely non-violent person! But discursively, I think we should be able to question the nonsensical normative structures around us.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:57, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Anarchism is not about violence any more than any other ism. At least not always.  it is just that many anarchists feel that they are fighting a dragon who has not fear or shame using violence, so they feel justified in resorting to it themselves. Carptrash (talk) 01:14, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I understand anarchist thought and I disagree with it. I believe that non-violence is always more productive.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:18, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

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Stirling Calder
Now that Alexander Stirling Calder's works are in the public domain (except Iceland), I decided to start a table. I hope to have it filled by the end of the afternoon. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:05, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm taking a break. Feel free to carry on or add images. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:59, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I added an image & removed the "elephant" since Calder worked with Roth, a famous animalier who almost for sure did the elephant.
 * Before and after photos of Calder's spandrel figures at Cal Tech:
 * You may like my latest addition to the article. Do you have an image of it? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:46, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I have a pack of Leif Eiriksson pictures, but looking into Iceland's draconian copyright laws led me to an "I don't think so" position. Still they and everything else looks great. I especially like Smallbones Shakespeare shot.  I'll have to look and see what Walt & I have for Cal Tech in terms of pictures. Carptrash (talk) 16:54, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

You're right about Roth. According to the Metropolitan: "Elephant and camels by F. G. R. Roth, mounted horsemen by L. Lentelli." == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:35, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hopefully this is not too nasty a shock. Carptrash (talk) 00:13, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I can handle it. I added a bunch of new images from SIRIS. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:12, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Sandbox
Did you delete the suicide list?Zigzig20s (talk) 18:17, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, I though that you were not interested in it.Carptrash (talk) 18:18, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I am.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:22, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't even remember what was in it. - but it can be found in the hinstory. Carptrash (talk) 18:24, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * It's an attempt to turn the list into a table.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:29, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Right the list with 327 persons (carpmath) and the 7 I did took a couple of hours. Something like that.  You are welcome to the pieces.Carptrash (talk) 18:31, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes it would take a long time. Perhaps WikiProject Death would be interested?Zigzig20s (talk) 18:33, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * "Perhaps" is one of those words that I no longer invest a lot of time & energy in. Carptrash (talk) 18:37, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * By the way, why haven't you enabled the 'e-mail this user' feature please?Zigzig20s (talk) 21:20, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I had no idea that was an option, but I went into "Preferences," clicked some button, got an email. clicked another button, and PLAN A is that it is now up and running.  Want to be the first to test drive it? Carptrash (talk) 22:40, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I did.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:50, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I replied...Zigzig20s (talk) 23:48, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Do you think this works better as a table?
Audrey Munson. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:38, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
 * You're not supposed to notice when I do a little touch up. Oh, well. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:17, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Nothing escapes my eagle eye., The other eye . . . . ...............Carptrash (talk) 15:54, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

E-mail
I e-mailed you.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:30, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLIV, February 2019
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Al Caiola
You've worked on the Al Caiola article. So have I. Do you have a source for the unsourced sections? If not, they can be deleted. Vmavanti (talk) 20:48, 1 March 2019 (UTC) Vmavanti (talk) 21:09, 1 March 2019 (UTC) Vmavanti (talk) 01:09, 2 March 2019 (UTC) Vmavanti (talk) 01:10, 2 March 2019 (UTC) Vmavanti (talk) 02:17, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * An idea, . Rather than doing a wholescale slaughter on the article, let's pick one sentence or phrase or factoid at a time, move it to the Talk Page and deal with it. I will go first, in about 7 minutes. Carptrash (talk) 21:00, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't slaughter articles, wholesale or otherwise. Nor do I know what a factoid is. I do know what editing is. I know what facts are. I know what sources are. I know a few things about Wikipedia. My question wasn't about a "sentence or phrase or factoid". It's a real bad habit, this refusal to answer questions. My question was simple and stated clearly. There are two unsourced sections of albums and singles on the Al Caiola page. Do you know who added those sections? Do you have a source for those sections? Unsourced material can be deleted by anyone at any time. Capiche?
 * factoid. "Capiche?" Mafia talk? I am pretty sure that I did some of the discography editing, perhaps the section that it all sourced to #3, or something. I might also have been involved in the album list.  I don't think the list of songs was mine, but it might have been. By the way, I have lots of bad habits and while we might do some good work on this article I suspect that this is not the beginning of a long and beautiful editing relationship. Carptrash (talk) 21:21, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't like being accused of slaughtering articles. Maybe that wasn't your intent. There's a lot to do on Wikipedia, a lot to clean up. Some of the obstacles I encounter are understandable. Others are annoying. Asking and answering plain questions is how progress gets done. Among people who are supposed to have some talent for communicating, there's a surprising amount of poor communication. Among people who call themselves editors, there's a cult-like resistance to editing and deleting. So when I see evasion, I get  impatient. I'm not saying I'm going to delete those albums or singles, but if someone does, that would be within the rules. If you have some personal attachment to that article, you might want to find some sources. While we're on the subject of bad habits, let's write solid, sourced information first, then put it into pretty columns later.
 * Factoid is a dumb word, one I've seen journalists use. That's good enough reason for me not to use it. That, and Norman Mailer. But that's my opinion.
 * Well, me thinks you doth protest too much. (Is Shakespeare okay, since Mailer is not?) Notice, right at the beginning I wrote "Rather than doing a wholescale slaughter on the article, let's pick..." Notice the use of the contraction "let's" which is short for "let us", us being you and me in this case.  Whatever i was accusing (your word, not mine) you of I was including myself in it.  Your "Among people who call themselves editors, there's a cult-like resistance to editing and deleting." is quite the statement too.  Since you are posting on my talk page I can only surmise that I am one of these folks who call themselves an  editor. Perhaps I should call myself "a wannabe editor?"  I'll have to check with my fellow cult members before I do.  Meanwhile I have been adding references to the Caiola article but have not seen you doing any.  Or are you one of those "real editors" who chosen task it is is to point out stuff for other so-called editors to do? Carptrash (talk) 01:31, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm one of those editors who tries to edit, not tell others what to do. But telling others what to do is part of the process of Wikipedia. I dislike it very much when experienced editors leave work for others to do, hoping for some mythical Good Samaritan to come along and make it all better. I apologize for my terrier-like behavior. I spend most of my time on the Jazz Cleanup Listing, trying to remove templates, not increase them. I try to solve problems, not create them. I try to take the initiative and get work done. We've been discussing how to source discographies on Wikiproject Jazz. It can get complicated, which generally isn't the case with other genres of music. Wikipedia calls all of us "editors". Anyone who contributes to an article is automatically an editor. It's silly, isn't it? We're writers, too, and researchers. Not everyone can do the work, no more than everyone can be a doctor, soldier, or computer programmer. But that's the assumption. That anyone can do it. And it doesn't pay. It's not valued. Not like computer programming or pro wrestling.
 * Our work here is valued by other editors, and the millions of folks who use us every day, they just don't, most of them, know it. So let us see if we can do something of value with Al C. Carptrash (talk) 04:11, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLV, March 2019
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National Statuary Hall Collection
Hey! Just an FYI, I believe there are now articles for all current and former statues displayed in the National Statuary Hall Collection on behalf of states, as well as ones for Douglass and Parks. Thanks for your help with this project! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:17, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Well thank you for geting that project going and for seeing it through to the end. Tomorrow I am back to the eye surgeon to see if more is needed, since he is a surgeon I suspect that his answer will be "Yes."  After that, we'll see. Carptrash (talk) 23:20, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Good luck! == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:42, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, we'll know more after 11:50 am (an odd time for an appointment, what is the chance I'll get in before noon, at best?). Carptrash (talk) 02:15, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Hal Blaine
I'm sad about the passing of Hal Blaine (my desert island drummer for all time), and I'm thankful that you made some additions and improvements to his article. I was tied up for a few days, so luckily you were there as the story unfolded. I really need get more active at Wikipedia again, but I may need a little bit of "goading". I'm sure I'll get back to it soon enough. Thanks, Garagepunk66 (talk) 03:27, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLVI, April 2019
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I presume …
… you've had the surgery (or was it a bar fight?). Either way, how did it go? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 22:39, 9 April 2019 (UTC)   User:7&6=thirteen
 * You should see the other guy. In this case the surgeon. It went fine, though I'll know more after my follow-up tomorrow. Carptrash (talk) 23:54, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Wonderful News!!! So very glad you are well. &#8213; Buster7  &#9742;   01:58, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, getting there anyway. Carptrash (talk) 04:18, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Excellent! == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:31, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

You probably know this portrait: Patrick Lyon (blacksmith). I knew about the bank robbery, but not the fire engines. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:05, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Nasty business,, I knew neither the portrait nor the story (not all as well versed in Philly lore as others) but it is why I won't say the Pledge of Allegiance (sometimes to the embarrassment of those around me) - there is no libery and justice "for all."  Never has been. Do you think the painting has to be in the article twice?  I can see why and rules are meant to be broken. Carptrash (talk) 15:34, 26 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I just added a sentence on how the 1829 copy varies from the 1826-27 original. Didn't mean to rile you up. Just that it's a great painting and a great story (even before the fire engines).
 * How's the healing? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:44, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * You know, not as fast as when I was 20. Or 30. Or 40. Or 50. Or 60. etc. But coming along. Carptrash (talk) 16:02, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Glad that you can joke about it now. What you went thru would scare me sh*tless. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:47, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Numismatic Collaboration of the Month
The Numismatic Collaboration of the Month will be restarted in May. As you are one of the original contributors to the collaboration, your help would be greatly appreciated. Nominations start immediately. - <font color="#6B8E23">ZLEA <font color="#6B8E23">T<font color="#6B8E23">\ <font color="#6B8E23">C 18:42, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CLVII, May 2019
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Horticultural Building
Why is Horticultural Building a redlink? As you probably know, this was built in 1893 for the World's Columbian Exposition, Chicago, designed by William Le Baron Jenney, father of the skyscraper. --Doncram (talk) 08:28, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. . It is covered in the Field Guide to Architectural Sculpture in the United States which is where I am more likely to be found.  It should be a blue link because it is where Lorado Taft and the White Rabbits struck.  And for other reasons too. Carptrash (talk) 15:40, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

June events with WIR
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Architecture
After a year of working on articles about painters, sculptors, and an artist's model, I finally started one about architecture: Walter Rogers Furness Cottage. A very minor work, but a beauty! Best, ==BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:37, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * What we know about architecture is that minor works often are beauties. Same is true for wikipedia articles.  See you there . . ......  later. Carptrash (talk) 18:34, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

List of Jekyll Island Club Buildings
I'd like your opinion. Should this be a stand-alone list, or a section of the Jekyll Island Club article? Best, ==BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:22, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I wound up making it a section of the existing article. You can pack so much info into tables. Best, ==BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:55, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. I wonder who did the gargoyles on Faith Chapel (Jekyll Island, Georgia)? Nice chart, by-the-way. Carptrash (talk) 17:01, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It kind of reminded me of Audrey Munson with lots of conflicting sources.
 * Don't know about the gargoyles. Howard Constable of NYC was architect of the chapel, and the wife of Charles Stewart Maurice was the force behind building it (primary donor?). ==BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:22, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Birth of a nation
I'm doing a lot of work on it - give me a couple of days before any reverts, please. deisenbe (talk) 17:09, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure. I think the only thing I reverted was my one edit.   I look forward to seeing what you come up with. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 22:23, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLVIII, June 2019
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Faith Chapel
Yesterday I got some interior photos of Faith Chapel (Jekyll Island, Georgia). Most of them are in Wikimedia Commons. I should have asked details of what you might want. It was very dark in there and they don't allow flash photography. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:04, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up - I will head over there soonish. Carptrash (talk) 18:25, 16 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Let me know if you have any questions or suggestions. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 22:22, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Prison
See File:Georgia State Prison, Reidsville, GA, US (04).jpg and File:Georgia State Prison, Reidsville, GA, US.jpg. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:16, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * They rock and are already in the Field Guide. Carptrash (talk) 02:16, 21 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Is there a link to the field guide? Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:50, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * No, unfortunately it is a closed site. Since it is an wikipedia clone anyone who gets there can edit and we had some unpleasant experiences, so locked it up. Carptrash (talk) 03:54, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

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Redneck Revolt
Thanks for this correction. I wouldn't have been totally sure either but I think the relevant guideline is MOS:PLURALS, which explains that U.S. English prefers "is" (and by extension "does") for groups, while British English prefers "are" (and "do"). As a Brit who writes about U.S. topics I quite often get caught out by that. There are probably some other instances in the article which I'll try to have a look at, though sometimes it's hard to know what the right wording would be. All the best, – Arms & Hearts (talk) 11:20, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually, I had not realized that this was an across the pond issue or I would have left it as it was.  I just read it and thought that it did not sound quite right so changed it.  If it is correct somewhere I have no problem with you changing it back.  My rule of thumb is that whomever write first gets to decide. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 14:00, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

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We each seem to be missing the other …
… leaving a "ping" but not following thru on connecting. I hope you're well. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:34, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLIX, July 2019
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Charles Yardley Turner
Responding to your ping: This is one of those articles where I knew next to nothing about the subject, added a list of works based on SIRIS, did a Google search for articles, and ended up wondering if it was worth all the effort. A skilled painter and a respected teacher, but outshone by his contemporaries, and major museums now deaccessioning his works. Still, the Washington at Fort Lee mural is beautifully done, and I've always been a big fan of his Molly Pitcher illustration (even when I didn't know who painted it).

It was good to hear from Walt. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:59, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
 * We (wikipedia) needs to be careful about only going for Top Tier subjects and it is up to us (editors) to keep the lower levels alive. Which you have done a great job with. Dealing with Walt is always a good experience and we both value your insights and input. Carptrash (talk) 18:08, 18 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I guess the solution is to beef up the articles on more accomplished artists. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 22:47, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I think the solution is to write about everyone, but I am trying to beef up A St. G by adding a chart of his works and doing one slow work at a time. Carptrash (talk) 23:51, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

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Rex Slinkard
So far so good. Thanks. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:52, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * My california stuff ends at 1916 or so and he seems to have not surfaced yet. Carptrash (talk) 15:00, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Slinkard was lucky in his eulogist. Without Marsden Hartley he probably would have been forgotten (more forgotten?). == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:14, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I have a standard saying about sculptors such as ASG and DCF that they are "Very famous sculptors that no one has heard of." Beneath that is a tier of "Famous sculptors no one has heard of," and so on. Slinkard, were he a sculptor, would be maybe 5th level? That he does not show up in Mantle Fielding or the 1939 Who's Who in Am Art  might get him even lower.  But he does need to be here, you hear? Carptrash (talk) 15:34, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Slinkard's life would have been different had he not gotten the model pregnant, but then he might not have developed the style that inspired Hartley. Hartley's prose is sensual, bordering on erotic, and he may have conflated Slinkard's death with that of his former lover, a German pilot, who inspired Hartley's most notable paintings. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:21, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * So why are we not writing a TV show pilot with all this? Carptrash (talk) 01:52, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I posted some unpleasant stuff regarding his marriage and divorce. Also found some critics who were underwhelmed by his works. A 3rd-rate Eakins? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:54, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * But still notable.Carptrash (talk) 21:33, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I think so. At least he was a major subject of discussion [exactly] a century ago. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 22:16, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Well just try and imagine what will be notable now, a century from now. More likely you than me, for starters. Carptrash (talk) 06:16, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia will make me famous? I should remove the "Boring" from my Username. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 12:42, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Maybe you're right about a TV pilot. According to what I'm reading in chatrooms, there's doubt about whether Rex and Jessie ever actually divorced. So who should have title to his paintings? As the World Turns … == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:10, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I think you, Lockley and me and a case of wine could hammer out some pretty lurid stuff. Take the "boring" out of everything. Carptrash (talk) 20:39, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * That sounds good to me! ? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 22:58, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Since you guys are both coastal, and I'm in between, . . . .......  so my house? Carptrash (talk) 04:16, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I ordered a used copy of the book that accompanied the 2008 exhibition on the ASL of LA. A library copy that in 10+ years had never been checked out. I was hoping it might contain the photo of Rex Slinkard and Al Treloar arm wrestling, but it does not. The text is available online, but the photographs and plates are half of the book. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:28, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Hopefully you got some pictures and/or material that you can wikify. Or whatever the word is, Carptrash (talk) 17:33, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Nothing that isn't already available elsewhere. My favorite is the shirtless portrait where Slinkard painted his head atop Al Treloar's muscular torso. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:16, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm Might try that myself for my dating club application. Carptrash (talk) 04:28, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 * It was originally called The Pearl Fisher. Slinkard later painted over one eye and turned himself into a cyclops. A gimmick? or guilt over abandonment of his wife & child? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 10:51, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Or perhaps he had just discovered LSD? Carptrash (talk) 18:02, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Did people use hallucinatory drugs in the 1910s? Peyote? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:04, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Not sure what gringos were into then but it certainly was around. Check out Huichol art as a good starting place. I think we have a better example in NM than these. Carptrash (talk) 20:24, 11 August 2019 (UTC)



Fame?
Hello! Last month a website provided a link to an article about WP, in which you were mentioned: View topic - Antifa. Click on "Wikipedia Editors protect(etc.)" link to read the editorial, see paragraph 4. Normally, I would not deign to read the BNN site. But it was the second time (recently?) that they have hosted an editorial concerning WP (and that a link has been provided at the first site). Thought you might like to know that you are famous, or is that infamous? You probably should avoid wearing the tiara in public, now!

We met on March 31, 2016 and assisted each other with the Mercy-USA article. An associate of this charity posted at the help desk because a "controversy" section had been added to the article which conflated the above-board charity with a similarly-named "terrorist" group. You were friendly and helpful, and affirmed that my reasoning was correct. Thanks again. Best,  Tribe of Tiger <sup style="font-family:Segoe print;color:#B22222">Let's Purrfect!  04:17, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks, though I am more proud of the Wired article and the BBC stuff. Still . ....... just for the record, the anarchist shirt was one that I made for my Halloween costume that year, in one of them I am wearing a tiara that i borrowed from someone else.  Pretty scary. But it is nice to know that you remember our collaboration kindly. Carptrash (talk) 04:48, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Love this photo...oh no...Aarrgg! Help, my alter-ego is taking control....help, help, I'm being oppressed!

Billy Bob here, and well, sirree, let me tell ya, that just ain't right. Seniors running around in them thar gas masks and tiaras. It's downright scarifying! Now, I heard tell as my great-grandpappy worn a mask back in WWI, but he didn't wear no tiara! My great-grandmama didn't neither. Tain't right, I'm telling you, tain't right. Them seniors, next thing ya know, there'll be a whole bunch of 'em doing it, and not just for Halloween, and it'll be like that thar song, Alice's Restaurant. They'll walk in, walk out and folks will think it's a movement! The Gas Mask and Tiara Massacree! "You can get anything you want at Aunty Fa's Restaurant" (sing it with me!). Opps, gotta go...UUURGG...

Whew, sorry about that. He takes over from time to time. So, Carptrash was mentioned by Wired and the BBC? Would you supply links? That's serious "fame"! BTW, I understand that Arlo Guthrie played at the 50th anniversary of Woodstock, and even went down to Hector's (a local bar) on Friday night, per a local friend. Not sure if he sang Aunty Fa's Alice's Restaurant. Best,  Tribe of Tiger <sup style="font-family:Segoe print;color:#B22222">Let's Purrfect!  01:26, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

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Backlog Banzai
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Whudduya think?
User:BoringHistoryGuy/sandbox == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:55, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I believe that OMG is what young folks today say. How filled in is it going to get?  Do you have all that data?  'cause it is a lot. This is almost Gettysburgian in size & scope.  A Terrifying sight. Carptrash (talk) 15:07, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I've been contemplating starting this since the Temple Gold Medal list 4 years ago. Like then, it would have been smarter to have a copy of the full record of NAD's annual exhibitions BEFORE beginning the article, but I'm too cheap to shell out $150 for the 3 volumes. So this has been filled in piecemeal, grabbed from online sources. has added some useful stuff.
 * A couple frustrating things: Authors/self-promoting artists are often imprecise about WHICH Hallgarten Prize was won. That's one reason why I did the First/Second/Third rows. There are also Julius Hallgarten Prizes and Hallgarten Traveling Scholarships awarded to students in NAD's school. Nothing to do with NAD's annual exhibitions.
 * Ah, yeah i tried to add a few. Oops though, I have assumed "Travelling Prize" was something different, but I have added a few which might be the Julius Hallgarten Prize rather than the NAD Hallgarten Prize, i am not sure.  You will of course check the references i put in. :) --Doncram (talk) 01:05, 24 August 2019 (UTC)


 * The easy part is done. Pre-1924 articles are out of copyright and easily available online. Post-1924 articles are a slog. I've checked SIRIS for every painting up to 1923.
 * I guess this is Day 3. I started the list to relieve stress when my sister and her kids were 5 hours late arriving on Wednesday. The visit has been more pleasant than I expected, but I won't be sorry when they leave tomorrow. You're a father, and know what it's like to have young people around. It's noisier and the refrigerator empties a lot faster.
 * Any suggestions on the title for the article? Hallgarten Prize? List of Hallgarten Prize-winning artists? Hallgarten Prize (National Academy of Design)?
 * Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:31, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Well it is a list, so List of Hallgarten Prize-winning artists makes sense. And yes, children are best appreciated after they are gone. Carptrash (talk) 23:37, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * If it is "List of Hallgarten Prize-winning artists", then maybe one has to cover the Julius ones and the Traveling ones, too, in other rows or sections? --Doncram (talk) 01:20, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I think you're right. I created red ink on maybe 20 articles that mention Hallgarten Prize, but that should be easy enough to remedy with a redirect to that title. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:08, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * It is a nice move, getting those links in ahead of the main event. Carptrash (talk) 00:13, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Okay it's up: List of Hallgarten Prize-winning painters. I was hoping to fill in more of the painters/works before posting, but finding online sources has been harder than I expected. Still, it's almost half filled in. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:56, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open
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The Bugle: Issue CLXI, September 2019
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October Events from Women in Red
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 * I send this kind of thing up the chain of command per Responding to threats of harm. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 20:06, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I really wish you hadn't done that. Please just forget it.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:28, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLXII, October 2019
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Statues on buildings
Are you aware of this: ? Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 06:05, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, the Field Guide has "about the sculptor, Frederick B. Miles, we know very little. He was assisted by a carver called Charles Myers," so if you know any more we'd love to hear it. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 15:54, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The NRHP document for Candler Building (Atlanta) only mentions F.B.Miles in saying he supervised numerous workmen who carved the sculptures. Photos of sculpturing inside, too, pretty amazing. No expense spared. NRHP doc can be accessed by clicking on reference number in NRHP infobox. —Doncram (talk) 20:51, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * But NCArchitects has long article about him, and even suggests specific photos to get from various now-not-copyrighted(?) newspaper issues, including one of 1905 showing him in his studio. And i think suggesting more photos of 1895 and other coverage of new sculpturing.Nc architect article by Catherine Bishir and someone else.—Doncram (talk) 21:01, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The carver Charles Myers should not be shown with wikilinks as he does not have a Wikipedia page.Parkwells (talk) 21:08, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * We could easily create a referenced stub about Frederick B. Miles... I am surprised it's been a red link for seven days...a lot of self-control on this talkpage.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:28, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

I don't know if this counts, but I just uploaded File:Gettysburg Battlefield, Pennsylvania, US (85).jpg from Gettysburg battlefield - it is on a monument instead of a building. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 05:50, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, it counts. We have "A Liance Cottrell, architect & Samuel Murray sculptor" including the large finial figures made from melted down cannons. Thanks  Carptrash (talk) 16:29, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Is that relief within a pediment, i.e. to be added to Pedimental sculptures in the United States? I seem to be often wrong about this.--Doncram (talk) 01:50, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, &, that would be a nice addition to the Pennsylvania section, I am not sure that I am up to doing it right now.  I think that I have (opinion) a better picture somewhere, but my scanner won't work  since my printer is out of ink, so . . ........ Carptrash (talk) 16:33, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * That was one of quite a few I took there. I took it last April, before I knew about your interest in these.  There are several there in Commons in that series, but that is probably the one that is the most close up.  I took it from the side with my 200mm lens.  It would have been better to use my 400mm lens and gotten it square, but this was the last stop on our trip through Gettysburg, and I was ready to leave. That is the JPG straight out of the camera.  I could increase the contrast and improve the lighting a little bit. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 18:47, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

New markers
FYI. Also pinging User:Doncram and User:Parkwells. Perhaps Wikipedia's international influence played a role in this?Zigzig20s (talk) 20:28, 19 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the exciting news! There are some very positive actions taking place across the country in telling the Fuller Story. I like Franklin's approach - much more than just arguing about keeping the Confederate monuments.Parkwells (talk) 21:05, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * So now we need to update Chip's article...Zigzig20s (talk) 21:19, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * User talk:Parkwells: I see you've updated the lede of Franklin, Tennessee. We need to update this article first: Confederate Monument (Franklin, Tennessee).Zigzig20s (talk) 16:29, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Another Believer: FYI. It needs to be updated and we're missing a map.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:09, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

2019 US Banknote Contest
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The Bugle: Issue CLXIII, November 2019
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December events with WIR
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I did a major re-write …
… of your Thomas Jefferson (Bitter). I hope you're not too bothered by it. Please feel free to add to Template:Karl Bitter. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:11, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Schevill lists the St. Louis Jefferson as 1913, and the Cleveland Jefferson as 1914. Is he right about the chronology? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:35, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I decided that SIRIS is more reliable than Schevill. Best, BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:57, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

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The Bugle: IssueICLXVI, February 2020
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Precious anniversary
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March Madness 2020
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Louis Jordan trivia revert
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I thought I read somewhere (?) that loud television from neighbors or housemates could spread the virus by 1000% and lead to a much higher death toll. Apparently television may only be watched very low, quasi-mute. Are you able to find a reliable third-party source for this please?Zigzig20s (talk) 09:22, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Well I am doing some testing of it myself by keeping my TV turned off. I will let you know how it turns out. Carptrash (talk) 16:12, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * What about housemates who steal cheese from the fridge? Don't you think that increases the mortality rate?Zigzig20s (talk) 14:17, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
 * It easily could, fortunately my dog can't open the fridge. Carptrash (talk) 15:52, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I probably need to move out as soon as the lockdown is over. I can't live here.Zigzig20s (talk) 11:09, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, don't go anywhere now. Deal with the cheese later too, although setting some fridge rules might not be a bad idea.  This thing is just getting started.

Carptrash (talk) 15:39, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, what bothers me is not so much that the cheese is gone, but that no one has told me they did it. If I knew who it was and they apologized, I could forgive them.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:00, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Also they are never nice, always aggressive...I only like people who are nice!Zigzig20s (talk) 16:03, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Years ago I used to take a cheese sandwich to work (an auto factory) put it in a plastic baggie and in the fridge there. Then everyday a bite started appearing on a corner of it.  After a few weeks I loaded all for corners up with chilli pepper.  It happened once more and never again.  But I never did find out who did it, though I have strong suspicions.  Thieves will, in my experience, rarely fess up. Carptrash (talk) 16:14, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I actually don't feel safe here.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:21, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Regarding the cheese, I told two of them and e-mailed another one. I don't want to make a big fuss about it--it is just cheese. But it's a pattern of intimidation and harassment that is really bothering me a lot...Zigzig20s (talk) 16:26, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Well you need to get out of a place where you do not feel safe, However I realize that this is not the best time to be getting out of almost anywhere. Carptrash (talk) 16:04, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * It just got worse. I was hounded and yelled at while I was cooking in the kitchen. I now no longer feel safe anywhere here.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:16, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I am not sure what the best thing to do is, since I am 6'4" and many pounds people don't yell at me much. Carptrash (talk) 16:44, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know what to do. Perhaps dying of the coronavirus would be a good deliverance? Every time I try to improve my life, I get harassed and dehumanized by bullies.Zigzig20s (talk) 17:19, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * No, if you die of the virus you just end up being another statistic. Look for something better.Carptrash (talk) 16:15, 1 April 2020 (UTC) 17:28, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Well I keep being harassed. I don't feel safe. I can't live here.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:15, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * About all any of us can do now is to hunker down and get throguh this corona thing. After that, something else. Carptrash (talk) 16:17, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, apparently the FBI reads everything. So perhaps the FBI will read this and find me a job I can do remotely that enables me to move out. I mean I just can't live here. And I don't want to hang myself with bedsheets; I want to have a safe, full life.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:34, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The US Constitution is there to protect our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness but I would not count on the FBI to be the ones to deliver it.
 * Perhaps they can tell DHS--I love Chad Wolf. He always seems so nice (which is hard to do in this job). But have you read the latest Horowitz memo? The FBI is not following their own rules with the FISA court apparently. Anyway, I edited Gina Haspel's talkpage, so perhaps her staff will read that comment and then look at my edit contributions and help me...I think she gets a lot of bad press but she doesn't seem that bad. For example at the Auburn event she was joking around...Zigzig20s (talk) 20:23, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I will check around, but I know nothing about any of the stuff you mention. I am an old guy who does not watch the news. Carptrash (talk) 20:28, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * But if you are hoping for compassion from the CIA I suspect that your hopes might be misplaced. Carptrash (talk) 20:32, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I think the CIA is not that bad, but some of their foreign counterparts are horrible (and they misinterpret humint like taking satire literally, etc.).Zigzig20s (talk) 20:45, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Well I am in AZ now, along with a bunch of other ancient folks so hope it does not catch on. How about you?Carptrash (talk) 17:50, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I clean a lot more every day. But I'm really far more worried about my total lack of future, both immediate and long-term, than this virus.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:12, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I was harassed again this morning when I left my bedroom to go to the bathroom. I just left my room and when I opened the door, there was a weird ringing noise.Zigzig20s (talk) 15:23, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * What was the ringing noise? Carptrash (talk) 15:36, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Like a loud ringing noise. It only happened once.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:53, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Sometimes there is a red laser light when I leave my room. What is this place?Zigzig20s (talk) 16:54, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * "What is this place?" Well that is pretty much what I want to ask you. Carptrash (talk) 18:47, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I thought I was just renting a room. I don't feel safe.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:49, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * it is not good feng shui to live somewhere that you do not feel safe. Are there other options?  Another room somewhere? Carptrash (talk) 22:20, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * We're not allowed move out and evictions are illegal during the lockdown. But I guess suicide isn't.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * "We're not allowed move out " is this about the lockdown or is it what your parole officer says. I think it is better to be murdered than to comit suicide. Carptrash (talk) 04:53, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I think suicide gives us more agency, although I'd much rather be given the option to build a full life. No, it's because of the lockdown, which has to end. I don't commit crimes. I read newspapers and I make satirical jokes.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:06, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * But I think it's possible that some people who don't like or don't understand Wikipedia tried to frame me. It has to end now though!Zigzig20s (talk) 12:20, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * perhaps you'd best hang tight now and worry about things ending a bit later.Carptrash (talk) 05:17, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I don't want to die, I want to build a full life. I do think there is a valid criticism of Wikipedia insofar as most sources are negative, and when we edit a lot, we spend a lot of time reading negative sources and having a negative view of the world. Journalists and academics mostly write about problems, and often in a biased/activist way (which doesn't mean Wikipedia editors agree with them, but most readers may not understand that).Zigzig20s (talk) 12:29, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

When I decide that wikipedia is serving as an energy vampire to me I leave it alnoe for a while and/or go edit in another realm. Or listen to Tiny Tim (musician). Carptrash (talk) 17:37, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't edit much any more. Imputed political opinion is grounds for asylum, by the way.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:20, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Well if you want to do more get over to Ludwig Zeller and find some more of his books and get dates & isbn numbers for them all. Carptrash (talk) 21:08, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Trying to edit less to avoid being hystericized by reliable third-party sources (the press). Do you think we are digital citizen diplomats?Zigzig20s (talk) 19:06, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

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Ann Arbor Blues and Jazz Festival
I'm curious about why you changed the discography format in this article when none of the other Wikipedia articles do it this way. It's important to maintain consistency of format, and it's important to apply some common sense. Discography sections are always labeled "Discography", not "Recordings". Given the obvious heading, and the obvious list, it's unnecessary to treat readers as children by reminding them "Various performances have been released as records and CDs over the years." You added "which itself began in 1969" into a sourced sentence. Doing that is OK if you have that source and can verify that information appears in that particular source. But if you are doing it off the top of your head because you "know it's true", sorry. The same goes for the sentences in the first paragraph of the History section where you added names to list of names which was in alphabetical order. It's interesting that you found it OK to use a nickname like "Fast Fingers" for someone, overriding the Wikipedia article name, yet you found the contraction "wasn't" unacceptable. What's your reasoning here? You've got it backwards. Contractions are OK. Don't let anyone fool you about that. But avoid nicknames unless they are part of the article title or a v. common name, like Sting or Dizzy or Ringo. Last, I'm puzzled by your attraction to the word "various". You used it twice in your corrections. You wrote, "An album containing various musicians performances". You need the plural possessive, so the line should read "musicians' performances". Can you tell me the difference between "musicians" and "various musicians"? What about "performances" and "various performances". They wore funny hats? Click on my name for any more questions you might have. Thanks. Vmavanti (talk) 03:30, 18 May 2020 (UTC) Vmavanti (talk) 15:43, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Typically in a message like this one would include the name of the article being discussed. Should I just assume that it is Ann Arbor Blues and Jazz Festival? Anyway, I'll look around and see what can be done. Carptrash (talk) 05:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I suggest that the two of you discuss this at the article (whatever it is) talk page instead of here. Cheers.  Stay distant and healthy.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 15:23, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter. I suggested changes and he responded. End of story. No conflict. He can do what he wants. He doesn't need a nanny butting in and babying him or a hall monitor flashing his badge. There is no "situation", so don't create one. Be seeing you, mate.
 * This discussion has been moved to Talk:Ann Arbor Blues and Jazz Festival Carptrash (talk) 17:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Vmavanti I did not suggest there was a conflict.  Nor that there was a "situation."  Nor did anyone flash their "badge", whatever that means.  The rest of my message was simple wishes for the best amid the plague. Cheers.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 18:26, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you!!!
Hello Carptrash, thank you for your kind welcome! I'm still relatively new to wikipedia, and I do appreciate your help and suggestions. I believe my first article on film scholar Barbara Zecchi is ready to be published, but I'm not sure how to proceed... Once again, thank you!! Lunaandmaya (talk) 17:10, 4 September 2020 (UTC)LunaandmayaLunaandmaya (talk) 17:10, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you again
Hello Carptrash! Done!! I followed your instructions about my article on Barbara Zecchi. Clear and easy. I did get a warning message though: "WARNING: Draft:Barbara Zecchi is 15,654 bytes. This may be a "copy and paste" move.). It's on the bottom of the page. Shall I do something about it? I really don't want to mess it around!! Many thanks again!! What an awesome welcome to wikipedia!! I'm ready for my second article now! Many thanks!!!! Lunaandmaya (talk) 21:41, 4 September 2020 (UTC)lunaandmayaLunaandmaya (talk) 21:41, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Unfortunately my article on Barbara Zecchi has been removed already. It has been identified as posing a potential copyright issue. I know for sure that I did not plagiarize anything. Obviously, since I don't know Barbara Zecchi personally, in order to create an accurate wikipedia entry, I used information that I found on the University of Massachusetts website (among many other sources). I did not copy it, and I indicated all my references. This is so discouraging! After the first moment of shock, I contacted Barbara Zecchi directly, and asked her if she happens to have the copyright of her faculty profile. From what I see, it could be the easier way to handle this situation. I spent so much time crafting this first article! I read Barbara Zecchi's first book and found it really inspiring. I have been following her work very closely, and this is why I decided to write a wikipedia entry about her. I worked in the film industry, and what she is doing for gender issues in cinema is really important. I wanted to grant her (and feminist film scholars like her) more visibility. But maybe wikipedia is not the right place! Not a friendly place for me (yet)... Once again, thank you! Lunaandmaya (talk) 02:32, 5 September 2020 (UTC)LunaandmayaLunaandmaya (talk) 02:32, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

about my new article Barbara Zecchi

 * Hello Carptrash, thank you for telling me about the indenting. Unfortunately my article on Barbara Zecchi has been removed already. It has been identified as posing a potential copyright issue. I know for sure that I did not plagiarize anything. Obviously, since I don't know Barbara Zecchi personally, in order to create an accurate wikipedia entry,  I used information that I found on the University of Massachusetts website (among many other sources). I did not copy it, and  I indicated all my references.  This is so discouraging! After the first moment of shock, I contacted Barbara Zecchi directly, and asked her if she happens to have the copyright of her faculty profile. From what I see, it could be the easier way to handle this situation. I spent so much time crafting this first article! I read Barbara Zecchi's first book and found it really inspiring. I have been following her work very closely, and this is why I decided to write a wikipedia entry about her. I worked in the film industry, and what she is doing for gender issues in cinema is really important. I wanted to grant her (and feminist film scholars like her) more visibility. But maybe wikipedia is not the right place! Not a friendly place for me (yet)... Once again, thank you!

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A barnstar for you!
From what I can tell, wiping out the redirect per your suggestion at the Teahouse, would have worked fine.

There's currently only one entry at ZIMM, which means that it doesn't qualify for being a disambiguation page. I don't think that it would have any value as an article page or a redirect either. In that regard i've placed a speedy tag on it.

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E. M. Viquesney
I should have known that YOU started the E. M. Viquesney article. Northerners designing/working on Confederate monuments is discomforting. Let's hope they only did it for the money, or for opportunities unavailable to them elsewhere. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:47, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Don't ALL artists pretty much do it for the money? WC Handy and his Orchestra used to play for racist Southern political gigs. Carptrash (talk) 16:27, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe. I wish Walker Hancock hadn't taken over Stone Mountain in the 1960s. Recently, some have used it as an excuse to "Cancel" him.
 * Joe Biden tells a story about lifeguarding at a public pool in a black Wilmington neighborhood in the late 1950s. A black fellow lifeguard asked if he could borrow a 5-gallon gas can for a family trip to North Carolina. Biden smiled and said "Sure." "But why not just buy gas along the way?" His friend looked at him until he figured out why that was not an option.
 * Amazing what we were. (Are?) == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:43, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll go with "Are." Carptrash (talk) 22:53, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Depressing. I would not have agreed with you until Trump. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:42, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * He is sort of a game changer, is he not? Carptrash (talk) 04:16, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

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