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You have nothing to apologize for
Don't worry. It's always a pleasure piping down the valleys wild in your company - I know I'll always learn something about American art if I follow in your wake. We need a hundred more of your sort in these precincts to maximize our potential. Here's to many more adventures in 2017 - happy editing, and keep up the good work! -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:47, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Ohhh, that one hurts.


 * By the by, I meant to mention to you: Auriel Bessemer got [a mention] in the local paper the other day. Apparently he was male - when you created the article you said he was female, and I concurred when editing.  I'm wondering what the source for that is now...it appears to be one of your books which I can't check.  Just wondering about the source of the discrepancy... -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 09:35, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Ahhhhhh, OK. No worries - I made the same assumption myself when I first saw the name.  Just wondering if someone had said the wrong thing somewhere, and if we'd need to chase it down and beat it with a stick. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:34, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

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Back to Gettysburg
The National Park Service changed the URL for nearly every one of its battlefield monument pages. So I went thru all 1,162 pages, and fixed the links to the Wiki monument list. I was planning to stop at 300 for today, but it turns out about half of the NPS pages are for buildings & structures or informational placards, not monuments. Interesting, to revisit the list a couple years after. And watching the news would only raise my blood pressure. Hope you're well. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:43, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Those swine! probably something that needed to be done to their way of thinking and since the NPS is probably about to lose 9 tenths of its funding on Monday they probably decided to do it now.  You on the other hand have no funding so are once again going beyond the call of duty.  I am better in that i did get a new (2008) car.  The good news is that I did locate a car driven by a little old lady since 2008, under 50,000 miles on it, with all new belts (including timing) hoses, tires, wipers, the works, so I am happy about that.  After taking Gabe to the dog park on a rainy day I managed to mess the car up in one day more than she did in 8 years, but this is no surprise to those who know me. I am also going to try and get to the March in downtown Phoenix on Saturday, see if I still have what it takes to take to the streets.  That should be, hopefully, uneventful.  Et tu?
 * I would normally watch an inauguration, no matter what. But I was surprised at how much anger I felt watching only a bit of last night's ceremonies. I think the TV will remain off for the day.
 * NPS seems to have been revising the Gettysburg part of its website over the past couple years. Unless I made mistakes, the links should now all work.
 * Sounds like you got a creampuff. Congrats. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:47, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I think leaving the TV off is going to be a trend today. Keep the ratings down.  Carptrash (talk) 16:10, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks for the history!
Thanks for posting the very interesting history of your wiki-name on my talk page. Fascinating to learn where the carp comes from, and that it has nothing to do with fish! And yes, the website you referred to is still there, I checked it out. All the best ABF99 (talk) 15:50, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Evergreen Cemetery gatehouse
Okay. I need to be less wishy-washy. Thanks. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:36, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I have never found your approach to things to be ineffective. Or "wishy-washy."Carptrash (talk) 19:41, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but on this I wimped out. Do I see a List of Cemetery Gatehouses in the United States coming in the future? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:44, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The future's not ours to see, que sera sera. Carptrash (talk) 20:17, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * In 7th grade, that song made my Spanish teacher crazy. She'd insist that it should be "Lo que sera, sera." == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:42, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

I'd intended to get to HSP today, or to the art bookstore in NJ, but I got sucked into Gettysburg National Cemetery. I noticed that you were one of the article's early editors, back in 2005. How did it get to be February? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:07, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * More or less the same way it got to be not 2005. I was a pioneer in sculpture on wikipedia, you can find me early in a lot of articles.  It's one of my vanity spots.  Oh vanity, vanity, thy name is wikipedia editor.  Carptrash (talk) 20:15, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Vanity? perhaps. But the rest of us benefit. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:48, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Well doing it is not vanity, bragging about it is. Only I gain from that. Still have not found my Ulysses Ricci slides. I wonder if I posted enough here?Carptrash (talk) 21:48, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

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Quit it
Stop deleting Tom Perez endorsements. Put endorsements on other candidates if you want. Nothing is stopping you at all. By all means go for it. Nobody else has a problem but you 2602:304:B226:54F9:4C7:AFE4:63C0:494B (talk) 00:36, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
 * If you were an editor who had edited at any article beyond Tom Perez I might be inclined to be more tolerant, but this is just BS, wikipedia is not part of his campaign literature. Or should' be. Carptrash (talk) 19:06, 19 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi I happened by this and agree with you. Also note that this ip6 user is deleting the comments of other editors from Tom Perez' talk page that he does not like. All of the potential candidates have their endorsements listed at Democratic National Committee chairmanship election, 2017 in a nice collapsed list anyways. ValarianB (talk) 16:51, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

March Madness 2017
G'day all, please be advised that throughout March 2017 the Military history Wikiproject is running its March Madness drive. This is a backlog drive that is focused on several key areas:


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Man Controlling Trade pictures now flipped and correct. I don't know if this is the way to respond to you, but I thought I would try. Thank you. mark — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark lindamood (talk • contribs) 03:49, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

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Hello!
Just thought I drop a little line to say hello. I hope everything's been comin' along fine. Garagepunk66 (talk) 01:29, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I have been traveling between AZ & NM and am currently at the latter (covered with snow) and am having difficulty with my old Mac. here. Nice to hear from you, Carptrash (talk) 15:49, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Good luck with everything. Garagepunk66 (talk) 23:50, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

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Warm regards

 * Thank you, we all need a place where we can feel that we truly belong. Carptrash (talk) 18:21, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Peace Corps Director
Hi Carptrash. I saw that you were active on the Peace Corps Talk page and have edited a few BLPs. I was hoping you might have a minute to take a look here regarding the article on a Peace Corps director, whose page is woefully less filled-out than all the other Peace Corp Director pages. CorporateM (Talk) 16:35, 19 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks Carptrash. I think MzMcBride already integrated about half of the draft content I had proposed, but said they ran out of energy and it's tough to compare the current article to the proposed draft. If you're willing to review the rest of the content, I can work on putting it in a Track Changes-type format so it is easy to see what I am proposing to be added. CorporateM (Talk) 17:04, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * As an editor with a conflict of interest, Wikipedia's rules are that I am not suppose to edit any Wikipedia pages on people/companies I am affiliated with, but rather I must propose edits that may be approved/rejected by disinterested, crowd-sourced volunteers. On the one hand, you have articles like this where the article-subject and those affiliated are the most likely to spend the time/resources improving the page. On the other, the article-subject is motivated to write flowery puff pieces about how great they are (philanthropy, awards, etc.), whereas other editors presumably have more pure intentions (sometimes). The compromise the Wikipedia community has made is that someone in my position that is paid for their work may draft content, but must submit it to editors like you for approval.
 * Most of the 55 some-odd "Good Article"-ranked pages on my user page I was hired to write and were approved by someone else before they were put into article-space. In toher wrods, because my client's interest to look good on the Web may conflict with Wikipedia's interest to present neutral content (sometimes more substantially than in the case of a Peace Corps guy), I must avoid the appearance of impropriety (of using Wikipedia for my benefit, but to the public's/Wikipedia's detriment) by going through this process. Some editors don't like it, because it's basically ghost editing for someone else, and you don't have to do anything you don't want to. But I am suppose to go around begging someone to make the edits for me ;-)    CorporateM (Talk) 22:57, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Christmas Doggerel
Something you might like more (2nd image). == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:04, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXXIV, June 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXV, July 2017
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Album title italicization
Hi. Album titles are to be italicized in every instance. Please correct this on Chip Young. Thanks. --Jennica ✿ / talk 10:05, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Armstrong
Are you serious with your edits claiming Louis Armstrong as a clarinet player? The source you give at seems highly dubious since neither of the records mentioned has either a clarinet nor a cornet on them (easy to find online). The cornet and clarinet are two quite different instruments of course. -- Infrogmation (talk) 00:10, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

E-mail
Mind shooting me one, if/when you have a minute? Nothing urgent. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:57, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Gary Chester
Thanks Carptrash. Good work with starting the table. Design (talk) 07:31, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * If you reduced the text size for entries in the "misc." column, would that allow for the song title column to be wider? Design (talk) 23:07, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * How is this for Gary Chester columns? Carptrash (talk) 00:51, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Better! Keep up the good work!Design (talk) 04:41, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Ellie Greenwich!
I was just curious if you ever got around to creating "a chart of the songs she wrote, who recorded them, how they charted and that sort of thing"? I'm looking forward to it! albabe -  The Writer /Artist Formally Known as  Al Gordon 17:18, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * No, totally slipped what is left of my mind.  I've been doing Panama Francis and Gary Chester, but thanks for reminding me about Ellie.  Her chart will be more or less like those, feel free to suggest some fields. Carptrash (talk) 17:45, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * @ Carptrash: I'd love to help and I'll definitely give it my best shot.  I have lots of Ellie Material (some old boots and such) but they're not that reliable in terms of Stats and such.  But you might not want me involved as I'm considered a hack by an Editor here at wiki and she might flag it if I contribute.  But I'm REALLY looking forward to your lists! albabe -  The Writer /Artist Formally Known as  Al Gordon 17:58, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * @ Carptrash: I just looked at your links to  Panama Francis and Gary Chester - nice work!!! albabe -  The Writer /Artist Formally Known as  Al Gordon 18:00, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I am not concerned what any other editor might think of your works long as you follow a few basic guidelines, mostly involving references. We can probably even figure out how to fit some boots in. So I am going to start it slowly and probably continue even slower.  Which is how I do these things.  When I try and build a huge structure on my computer it pretty much always turns into something really ugly on line (could have to do with my 2004 software.  So, let the games begin. Carptrash (talk) 19:31, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * @ Carptrash: Well I have lots of crazy Ellie stuff.  The problem is that there is no Internet corroboration.  Things like this double album were sold on Amazon, but I'm sure they're Gray Area Boots.  I picked-up mine at SF's Amoeba many years ago.  There are detailed liner notes but, as I said, no posting of them anywhere that I've found.  https://www.discogs.com/Ellie-Greenwich-Brill-Building-Sounds-Complete-Recordings-1958-1985/release/3765706 albabe -  The Writer /Artist Formally Known as  Al Gordon 22:29, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * @ Carptrash: I listed the Raindrops album as an Ellie album.  What do you think?  Technically it's Jeff and Ellie as a duo with Session Players, right?  So, in a way it would be one of her albums, wouldn't it?  albabe -  The Writer /Artist Formally Known as  Al Gordon 18:21, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Notice of Neutral point of view noticeboard discussion
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Wait 'till My Bobby Gets Home
Hi there. I noticed that you've made edits to my article He's Sure the Boy I Love. In return, I've noticed that your article titled Wait ‘till My Bobby Gets Home might have a typo ('till should be 'til). However, I've seen using Till, Til, and 'Til. Which way would be the best way? Thought I let you know so I could add some wikilinks to link your article. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 03:48, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out. I moved it to Wait ‘til My Bobby Gets Home. so please have at it.  Carptrash (talk) 04:11, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Italicize
Please italicize:


 * All instances of television or movie names.
 * All album names
 * Billboard because it is a publication.

thanks. --Jennica ✿ / talk 07:53, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

List of suicides
Hi, Carptrash. I reverted your edit to List of suicides because it was not accompanied by a citation of a reliable source. List articles require citations of secondary sources, just as individual bio articles do, especially with a contentious topic like suicide, as was decided in a discussion on that article's talk page. There is a commented-out note to this effect just beneath each letter-heading in the article's edit mode. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 04:34, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I am sorry about that, I used wikipedia as my source. But I have returned it with what I trust (hope?) is an okay reference, Carptrash (talk) 15:39, 2 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Many thanks. Yes, The Nation cite you added is indeed a reliable source, and I added the publication info to it.


 * For future reference (no pun intended), one Wikipedia article cannot be cited as a source in another, as that is circular sourcing, which is prohibited by WP:CIRCULAR. One of the problems with circular sourcing (among others) is that many editors, when doing this, assume that the parent article contains citations that support the claim. But when this matter came up on the talk page in 2009, I decided to go through all those listed under "A" to see this, and I found ten whose parent articles did not support the suicide with a citation. This is why WP:CIRCULAR states, "Confirm that these sources support the content, then use them directly."


 * Anyway, thanks again! :-) Nightscream (talk) 16:51, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * When I do site wikipedia I typically try to include the reference that got the original section in wikipedia. I did NOT do that with Webb.  I aded him because I had just watched a movie about him and got excited.  Not only should we not edit while drunk, but probably not when we are excited either. Carptrash (talk) 17:46, 2 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Oh, you don't have to tell me not to edit while drunk. It's the reason why the article on Shakespeare's wife contained a passage praising her for her performance in The Princess Diaries for several months.


 * (Kidding.)


 * (Or am I?) Nightscream (talk) 18:10, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * There are lessons that can only be learned the hard way - which is why most wikipediana can also claim to be graduates of the School of Hard Knocks. I too have . . . . ......... history in this area.Carptrash (talk) 18:13, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXXVI, August 2017
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Confederate monument stubs + question
Hey, I know you're not thrilled with my stub creations, but please know I am acting in good faith here and trying to convert these to stubs. I did have a question for you at Talk:Confederate Mothers Monument, if you have a moment to check on something for me. Thanks for your help on so many articles. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:20, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I understand that you are acting in very good faith, you just have a different approach to this issue and on wikipedia what gets done and how it is done goes to the person that does it. In this case you.  I have been at the List of Con Mons for about 5 years and perhaps have just a tinge of ownership going on.  You are doing great work.  I'm trying too. I think I answered your question, tonight was drum circle night, so I've been off task for a bit. Carptrash (talk) 03:59, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:02, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Inscription section of Taney sculpture article.
hello:

I reverted your addition of the unsourced inscription. It looks a lot like original research to me-- as in someone copied it down. If you can find a source, that is great, otherwise it should stay out. I looked and could not find a source. It's also very poorly formatted.104.163.145.193 (talk) 06:00, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I believe that whom ever added the inscription copied it from the Smithsonian data base. I will look at the formatting and have added a reference. Why don't you register as a user?  I don't like talking to numbers.  Even a crazy name is (opinion) better than a number.  Carptrash (talk) 16:25, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
 * thanks, I saw you added a reference.104.163.145.193 (talk) 21:42, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Department of Labor Building
Sorry for the confusion. The Department of Labor Building--that is, the original building at 1301 Constitution Ave., completed in 1934--was renamed the WJ Clinton Building in 2013 by an act of Congress. From the article:
 * In 2013 Congress designated the William Jefferson Clinton Federal Building as a complex including the EPA West Building, along with two adjacent buildings which were formerly known as the Interstate Commerce Commission Building (and subsequently designated as "EPA East") and the Ariel Rios Federal Building.

Unfortunately the current article at William Jefferson Clinton Federal Building does not currently explain that the 2013 act renamed 3 separate buildings under one name. I may just copy the above text into the latter article.

The chronology for the old DOL building is:
 * 1) Building opened in 1934; DOL was the first occupant.
 * 2) DOL vacated in 1979. The US Customs Service was the next occupant. (DOL moved to its new HQ at 200 Constitution Ave., later named the Frances Perkins Building.)
 * 3) Customs vacated in the 1990s. After a renovation, EPA moved there in 2002. (Customs moved to the new Ronald Reagan Building on 14th St.)
 * 4) After EPA moved in, GSA named the building "EPA West" but this was not formally named as such by Congress.

I have yet to find an online reference which provides a comprehensive description of the renaming of the three buildings under one name in 2013. GSA has not completely updated its online building inventory website, so that source is somewhat confusing. The GSA "Find a Building" page is at https://www.gsa.gov/portal/ext/html/site/hb/category/25431/hostUri/portal and provides some of the relevant info under the entry for "Environmental Protection Agency, West Building, Washington, DC." Maybe the actual language from Congress would be a useful reference, if it's available online.

As of 2013, GSA and EPA have refered to the components in the EPA complex as follows: Moreau1 (talk) 06:19, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Ariel Rios North --> William J. Clinton North
 * Ariel Rios South --> William J. Clinton South
 * Interstate Commerce Commission / EPA East --> William J. Clinton East
 * Dept. of Labor / EPA West --> William J. Clinton West

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Well i oppose copyright but we dont want wikipedia to be sued so when i find copyright infrengemnt i report it as they copyright holder could sue wikipedia  Flow 234 (Nina)   talk  21:44, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

SONGCOVER discussion
Hi – you may be interested in this discussion on the Project Songs talk page. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:06, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Request
Hello. Would you please consider creating an article about ?Zigzig20s (talk) 04:59, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

New user account
Hello, I did as you requested and created new user account, hope this makes you happy :p Not only was that a big issue (due to ISP recent reassign of wiki blocked vandal IP) which would have come up regardless, however ever since than I have not been able to make edits on List of monuments and memorial of the CSA page with it timing out. Not sure if due to that page just really busy, my mobile net acting up, or related to my new account. So kinda testing to see how sluggish it is posting on your talk page :D Anyway thank you for the suggestion, it was time and long overdue. Kevin &#34;Hawk&#34; Fisher (talk) 13:25, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

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Referencing for World's Columbian Exposition
Hi, Carptrash, I noticed your question about referencing at the Help Desk. I'm just another contributing editor, not from the help desk.

I went through exactly the same problem as you describe, until I discovered the 'Short footnotes using sfn' method, in conjunction with cite book and the harv library cataloguing system. This method is described in the Help:References and page numbers page which John of Reading posted. I think you just need to add  to all the cite books on the page, and you can reference them (with different page numbers) with the 'Short footnotes using sfn' method. This is just one of various ways of achieving the same effect.

The various Wikipedia documentation pages explain everything fairly well. I've also been putting my own page together at User:MinorProphet/The joy of sfn for a while. It is a work in progress and not finished, and doesn't claim to be a proper Wikipedia how-to page, but it might clarify some things which took me a while to work out. Good luck. MinorProphet (talk) 19:23, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

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Just for the record

 * Nobody has accused you of being racist or of defending the CSA or being a Lost Causer. There was a disagreement between us about the graph. Initially it was civil and polite and I thought you had some interesting things to say. Then D.Creish showed up and dumped a can of gasoline over it and lit a fire. Then our conversation got a bit more adversarial, which is too bad but that's what happens with users like these. From my perspective it looks like you're picking up some bad habits from him and from other sketchy accounts that have popped up in that discussion. I saw that somewhere else you said that sometimes you don't agree with sources but you still try to follow WP:RS and WP:NOR because that's the policy o the site. I sincerely wish that you stick with that.20:33, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Here is what you posted. Arghghghg. I address that specifically above (which was my posting). The tactic here is: "If a given source does not mention the SPLC report then argue that it is irrelevant and WP:SYNTH" and "If a given source does mention the SPLC report then argue that it's just the same as the SPLC report and is parroting it hence it doesn't count as a source" The purpose of this tactic is to exclude ANY source which makes the claim that there's a correlation between Jim Crow era and monument building. It's dishonest. It's bullshit. It's disruptive chicanery. It's circular reasoning. It's illogical. Volunteer Marek 21:28, 14 September 2017 (UTC) People who pursue this line of argument should be ashamed of themselves. Another editor wrote
 * " There's nothing wrong with the graph. It's reliably sourced. Those who oppose its inclusion are Lost Causers who are trying to sanitize/ whitewash history."

It is also unlikely that I said that I "still try to follow WP:RS and WP:NOR" because I never or very rarely refer to "the rules" and in fact don't know what those are. Carptrash (talk) 21:20, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 * I can't speak to what another editor wrote - I assume they were generalizing and I suspect that observation applies to a number of "Oppose" votes. As for my comment - what's wrong with it? Are you one of the people using this tactic?  Volunteer Marek   21:23, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Since you posted that right after a comment of mine I can only assume that this is what you are saying. You are calling me "dishonest" and my opinions "bullshit", among things. However I do not like having adversarial interactions such as we are having.  So I'll propose that if you change "Jim Crow era" to "Lost cause era" I will go along with that. Carptrash (talk) 21:27, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Also you start this conversation off by saying "Nobody has accused you of being racist" and when I point out where some one is "calling me "whitewasher" which in this context means racist) then you say, "Well I didn't." Which is it, "No one" or "not you?  Carptrash (talk) 21:30, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Here is a link [] to some pages I've posted in an attempt to salvage "the graph" by changing the Jim Crow Era to Lost Cause. These are various discussions about the monuments themselves - which I believe are being largely ignored in this process. They ofter speak about "the cause" with or without a capitol C, they address the issue of no money following the war and more. Where they came from doesn't really matter, but I do have that info. Please take a few minutes out and look them over. Carptrash (talk) 22:42, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Edith D. Pope
Hi. Feel free to help me expand Edith D. Pope if you are interested. Thanks!Zigzig20s (talk) 18:27, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Most of the editing I do originates in my own library at home. I doubt that I can find anything on Ms. Pope, though she must be an interesting person.  Also I have removed all Civil War articles from my watchlist so am not doing that much editing around it.  I had considered trying to find Confederate Veteran on line, but probably not.  Thanks for the invite, Carptrash (talk) 05:17, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The Internet Archive may have it, but I'm not sure it's an RS. I really want to read the book about Pope. Sad to be losing you on the Confederate monument team!Zigzig20s (talk) 05:49, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I found Con Vet here, I've gone through 11months of 1913 and Cunningham still seems to be the editor. Carptrash (talk) 06:09, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Cunningham dies in Dec. 1913. I am just starting 1914.Carptrash (talk) 06:11, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Are you going to read them all? We could do a relatively quick search for "monument" in each book to see if there are more that we've missed.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:08, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I am looking for Edith Pope, not so much monuments. At what point do they (CV) admit she is the editor?  They had a big Cunningham memorial issue Jan 1914 but are still listing him as the editor in February.  Also interesting "philosophical" stuff about negroes, drakes and even the other N word.  They are all there.  There are lots of monuments listed but I am not doing CSA monuments as long as that ill-advised, misleading graph sits atop the page. Carptrash (talk) 23:11, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The list is a lost cause! But separate articles about individual monuments are still golden.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:29, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Greenwood Cemetery
Thank you asking. I think the best and proper place to upload the CSA monument image in the article would be right under the picture of the "wagon" in the "History Section". Tony the Marine (talk) 21:07, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I took the liberty of doing it for you.
 * Thank you. It was a real pleasure interacting with you. Tony the Marine (talk) 22:11, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * My friend, take a close look at the "Clinton" picture and you will notice that for some unknown reason I had my hand around Hilary's waist. Now, how many Wikipedians that you know can say that they have put their hands around her the waist? (smile). Tony the Marine (talk) 01:54, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Re: Category:Statues of Presidents of the United States
Sorry for the confusion and for changing my mind while you were in the middle of sorting. I decided DEFAULTSORT is not the way to go. Instead, I went through the entires in Category:Statues of Presidents of the United States and sorted the markup associated with this category individually. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:38, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * And I'm sorry for dumping this on you. It's another reminder that there is no rush, taking a little longer at first usually (or so it seems) shaves a lot of time off the re-dos. I now have goal of doing more Presidential statues.  Part of my sculpture agenda. Carptrash (talk) 05:32, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:24, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Absence
I was sad to see your withdrawal from the monuments articles but I understand your reasons. Hopefully when the RFC closes those articles will go back to normal, and you can return. D.Creish (talk) 22:21, 27 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, Carptrash, I see you are back on the monuments page. I ran across this SPLC "call to arms" letter, which I think underlines their distinct POV as a source, as some of the Harper's and other articles have accused them of alarmist rhetoric, which this certainly is. Send a letter: It's time to take down Confederate monuments. Cheers, Dubyavee (talk) 03:40, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

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He was already there. I didn't add him. Fuddle (talk) 03:32, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

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Gainesville monument
I've added a description section but please trim it if you think the direct quote is too long. Thanks!Zigzig20s (talk) 17:04, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

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Particularly, (1) keep your responses concise and focused. Talk pages are not discussion forums. (2) Please properly indent your responses. This is something you are notorious for. Hundreds (if not thousands) of examples exist. It's inexcusable for an editor of your experience. And it is considered disruptive editing. See Talk page guidelines

And I'd personally appreciate it (though I don't believe it's strictly required) if you indented a single level. That means: Not:

Fluous (talk) 17:27, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * "Other editors may simply ignore additional posts that flagrantly disregard the talk page formatting standards." Feel free to follow this part of the rule. Carptrash (talk) 17:46, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * - you are notorious ("widely and unfavorable known")
 * - It's inexcusable ("without justification")
 * - Congratulations! ("express pleasure to") &#8213; Buster7  &#9742;   23:01, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * This doesn't mean that you'll take away my Editor-of-the-Week award, does it? Or perhaps it could serve as a nomination for the "Notorious Editor of the Week Award?" Carptrash (talk) 23:06, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Some people are just colon-challenged. They deserve the same respect as the colon-talented. Also, being notorious is so bad that it's almost a compliment. ;) – Corinne (talk) 23:33, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * What it means is that you are entitled to a cleaning of the by-now probably tarnished Eddy. (It's not real gold you know). If you send it to me in a prepaid Manila envelope I'll tape it to the hood ornament of my Edsel the next time I run it thru the car wash. You should get it back by the New Year. &#8213; Buster7  &#9742;   23:57, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah, a clean start for the New Year. Carptrash (talk) 02:48, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Second warning
Please follow the talk page guidelines and stay on topic. See WP:TALK#USE. In particular: Whether "every street in America named after someone notable should be listed in Wikipedia" is a general discussion topic that is not appropriately discussed on an article talk page. What's appropriately discussed is whether streets named after Confederate leaders, soldiers, politicians, etc. merit inclusion on this particular List of Confederate monuments and memorials.

It would be very much appreciated if you kept your participation in talk pages much more focused. Thank you. Fluous (talk) 06:20, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Third warning
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And please follow the talk-page guidelines and properly indent your talk-page responses. You formatted the above as a response to Slatersteven, not me, even though you were responding to me. This is, again, disruptive editing. Fluous (talk) 19:11, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

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Please follow Wikipedia guidelines and avoid edit warring. I reverted your edit and told you that we were discussing it on the talk page. You then reverted my revert. That was an inappropriate response. You should have waited until we decided what to do with your particular edits (whether information like sculptors, cost, physical material, etc merit inclusion on this List of Confederate monuments and memorials). That discussion can be found here. Please do not add such information to the article until that discussion is complete. Fluous (talk) 19:11, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

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Confederate beach towels
Confederate beach towels might be a thing. I am reading Joan Didion's South and West: From a Notebook and she's mentioned them quite a few times already.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:22, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Well hoist one up the wikiflagpole and see what happens. Or take it to a beach and get a bikini clad young lady to sit on it. That would probably be more acceptable. Carptrash (talk) 18:47, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * A bikini-clad young lady? I don't think so. By the way, Dixie gas stations are also a thing apparently!Zigzig20s (talk) 19:11, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * She doesn't have to be a straight young lady. Carptrash (talk) 19:15, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd rather go to the beach with a princess than a "young lady"!Zigzig20s (talk) 19:31, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The best I could do is an old lady. Carptrash (talk) 19:32, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Not sure I could get away with wearing a tiara at the Orange Beach. It's not quite the Will Rogers State Beach!Zigzig20s (talk) 19:38, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Alabama might be dicey. Someday I'll tell you the story about me in the first day of dove season in Alabama.  Definitely not a tiara event either. Carptrash (talk) 19:43, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * She's all ears.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:51, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Not today. Unless I have it already written up.  (pause)  which I do not.  I have a file on my desk top labeled 'Autobiography" and when I write up stuff like this I put them in there for future reference.  So it is not there, but I will write it up, it's a fun story, but now I am out of dog food, so that's a higher calling. Carptrash (talk) 19:56, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Category:Sculptures of African-Americans
Hello. You may have seen my note on Another Believer's talkpage. Shall we create this category and who could we add please?Zigzig20s (talk) 20:27, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Looks incomplete though. Will you add Tennessee?Zigzig20s (talk) 04:14, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Dear me. Incomplete? There are about 297 by the UDC, 66 by the Ladies Mem Soc. and 33 by the Sons of the CSA. I've done maybe 10, so it has a long way to go.  I am entering them in the order that my search of SIRIS pulls them up.  Feel free to leap in, you know how wikipedia works. Though formatting the states can be tricky if I am not very careful. Carptrash (talk) 04:19, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm working, so I can't really edit right now.Zigzig20s (talk) 04:34, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Well I formatted Tennessee so it's ready to go. Carptrash (talk) 04:35, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Feel free to add Confederate Memorial Hall! It looks like the Sam Davis Statue and the Confederate Private Monument were erected by the United Confederate Veterans, however.Zigzig20s (talk) 04:40, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I am going to struggle - and need opinions -as to how to proceed after the 300 UDC monuments are entered. Whether to include other organizations or not.  I'd like to do that but the name should reflect that.  As you know that article that these should go in will not allow them in because  . ...well you know why, hence this format.  Still that is probably a month or two away at my current pace so plenty of time to figure something out. Carptrash (talk) 04:50, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The aforementioned building has pictures and lots of RS though!Zigzig20s (talk) 05:00, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Good. I will try and do it tomorrow.  Right now I am having a tough time getting Mississippi right.  I entered the info, but it won't show?  Carptrash (talk) 05:02, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * LOL! I can see MS actually. But wait till you try Bama. I recommend taking off your tiara before you do.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:07, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I figured MS out and just added Confederate Memorial Hall but need an architect. Maybe in my Architecture of Nashville book? Carptrash (talk) 05:13, 31 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Maybe! I created a new user category by the way.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:17, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll bit? "Burners of the midnight oil?" Not in my Nashville book but the WPA q=guide to TN has a United Daughters Memorial (1933) by Granberry Jackson. Worth pursuing Carptrash (talk) 05:22, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * How do you feel about this by the way? The "beautiful statues" may not really be historic there; still a way of life apparently...Zigzig20s (talk) 05:28, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Well I tend to be an inclusionist, but these are difficult times for every one. What will seem important a decade from now is tough to know, impossible really, so we just do the best we can. As you know I am NOT an inclusionist with a lot of the stuff at CSA monuments & memorials because it is supposed to be a list.  look at List of statues of Stalin - Lenin has one too.  No one there feels a need to have two pages of text explaining what creeps they were. etc.  I digress. What is your new category, though, I did not notice it. Carptrash (talk) 05:38, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Category:Wikipedians who wear tiaras!Zigzig20s (talk) 05:48, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, I added it, but let's talk about acceptable references. My Halloween outfit for tomorrow, for example, won't suffice. Carptrash (talk) 05:54, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Maybe you could accessorize with stalks of cotton?Zigzig20s (talk) 06:14, 31 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Well, you tell me. This was trying it on a couple of hours ago, didn't get the knee pads right.  Sowhat do you thinkl>  Accesssorize? Carptrash (talk) 06:26, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * What is the A for? Antifa?Zigzig20s (talk) 06:43, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * It's the symbol for anarchism. Though it works for Antifa too Carptrash (talk) 07:48, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Do you think we should add "Confederate heritage (remembrance?)" to the first paragraph of the lede of Nashville, Tennessee? I just had a quick look at the infamous Nathan Bedford Forrest Statue and it does indeed look like there are many such monuments/plantations there.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:52, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Not me. monuments/plantations where? Tennessee?  Widener (the best early 1982, survey of CSA monuments)y has 19 pages worth. Carptrash (talk) 18:10, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * To the lede of the aforementioned article, so-called Nowville (unless you're black and/or poor apparently). But you're making a good point. We should probably add it to many ledes. Natchez, Mississippi does mention the antebellum era but many people visit it for its 'historic' (translation:slave-built) mansions, and that should probably appear in the lede. It seems revisionist to leave it out, doesn't it? Wikipedia shouldn't be taking a Lost Cause approach to content.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:19, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I have enough fights on my hands without taking on the entire South. My feeling is that they should have been allowed to quit the Union in 1861, the 10th Amendment reads, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." and there is nothing in the Constitution prohibiting states from leaving. I also believe that it is not too late and those 13 states, and anyone else who wants to should be evicted from the USA. Now. But probably every southern history article should include something.  My one issue, at least that I will get into here, is that a lot of this finger pointing is the North's way to cover up its own racism.  I posted something like that in one of these articles - nicely referenced, but it was removed after an hour or two. Carptrash (talk) 18:28, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Editors who remove perfectly cited content really annoy me. And then it's nearly impossible to make a case to reinsert it, because they don't see weight of RS as a sufficient reason, it's WP:IDONTLIKEIT.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:52, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Why don't you wikilink the buildings on this list? By the way, I tried to add a picture in one of the boxes but it didn't work.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:24, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * By the way, I think Henry C. Hibbs was the architect, although the URL no longer works.Zigzig20s (talk) 06:47, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Your costume is scary. If you are able to find out who the architect of the buildings on the campus of Belhaven University was, let me know! I've just unintentionally unearthed their secret history...Zigzig20s (talk) 20:08, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Belhaven U sounds more scary than my costume. No tiara for one thing.  I will look for an architect, but . . .... But it does show up in the WPA Guide to MS, but no mention of an architect.  Carptrash (talk) 21:54, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes it does. It looks like most of the original campus buildings burned down multiple times. They have a replica of columns which burned down in 1910 (at 2min), but before that there was Hamilton's house which burned down in 1895, and the article also mentions a 1927 fire. I would hate to speculate about the reason for all these fires...Zigzig20s (talk) 23:29, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The image of the Confederate Memorial Hall went in just fine. Carptrash (talk) 02:29, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * More campus history.Zigzig20s (talk) 06:45, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Happy Halloween!
Best costume <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 16:55, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * best attitude, " for the vagaries of full-time musician status." Carptrash (talk) 19:33, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

By Karl Bitter
This monument by Karl Bitter at the 1904 World's Fair was new to me. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:11, 6 November 2017 (UTC)


 * This is not so much funny "ha ha" as funny "strange", but I scanned that same monument on Sept 30, 2017 working on a Signing the Treaty article that I guess I never finished. I have a lot of those. Your version is a better scan. I will use it when I finish the article. Which will be when I am out of bed for more than an hour at a time.  The signing the treaty is the large bas relief at the bottom that shows up in at least two places later on.  Mon I thought I'd finished and published that article.  Guess that's what I get for thinking. Carptrash (talk) 04:28, 6 November 2017 (UTC)


 * I was looking for Newman's Liberty & Justice figures on the New York State Building, and found them in the pediment. Odd coincidence on the Bitter. Feel better. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 11:36, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * (Carptrash sounding slightly hysterical) What NY State Building has Newmans on it???  PS not that surprising that our minds run on parallel  tracks. Carptrash (talk) 16:08, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Photo attached to my email. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:54, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXXIX, November 2017
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List of United Daughters of the Confederacy chapters
Hello. Are you interested in working on a List of United Daughters of the Confederacy chapters please? Each state would have a horizontal axis for each location, with a vertical axis for their date of creation, the name of the co-founders, and wikilinks to the monuments they erected.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:15, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I just found this, I went in the hospital on Monday morning and got out an hour ago. Here is what i can contribute. You set up the list (chart?) send me a blue link and then as I add CSA monuments to the UDC monument article and discover chapters I will add them on.  I am not sure how much editing I am going to be doing, for sure not a lot of sitting down in any case (don't ask unless you mean it).  How does that sound? Carptrash (talk) 16:52, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Very sorry to hear that--I hope you feel better soon. The main idea is to have a list of all the local chapters with when they were created (and possibly closed down), who were the co-founders, etc. But I'm not sure where to retrieve the information. Also, would this be Original Research?Zigzig20s (talk) 18:10, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Stuff (opinion) is only original research if you come up with it on your own. If you "research" it from sources that you can list it is not OR.  I am assuming that UDC is still an active organization, I'd email them.  But I would include a prototype chart that includes the fields that you think should be included, see what they have to say.  They might already have a lot of info that they will pass on to you.  Also see what this  does for you. Carptrash (talk) 18:15, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes I saw this but there must be many more chapters that closed down. The trick is how to find them.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:22, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
 * To me this sounds like piece work. Which is to say, one at a time. What I would do, and it is not how a lot of editors approach things, is that I would start a chart with one or two chapters.  Get your fields in order and that sort of thing.  Then just start adding to it as chapters are discovered.  I believe (and this more "art" than "science") that there will turn out to be hundreds of chapters. I'd set up the chart like the List of monuments erected by the United Daughters of the Confederacy, by state and then alphabetically by town on county (not quite sure how these are done) and then just start plugging them in. Carptrash (talk) 18:28, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Frank P. Gates
I'd be interested to find out if Frank P. Gates descended from CSA veterans, or even planters. This is the kind of cryptic information I like to dig up.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:25, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I assume that everyone born in Mississippi as thusly decended, but that don't make it so. Also anyone who designs 18 buildings on the U Miss has goat be, but . . . . . .....  I am poking around in a few ancestor.com type places, but no hit yet. Carptrash (talk) 20:34, 15 November 2017 (UTC)