User talk:Carthusian hermit

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Hermits of Saint Bruno.
I have speedily deleted Hermits of Saint Bruno because it did not fall inline with wikipedia's inclusion policy (see WP:ORG) and clearly fit WP:CSD A7. Articles about organizations MUST explain their notability. It is also very important that notability is established through citations of multiple reliable sources independent of the organization in question. If you need any help in understanding these policies, or have other questions about wikipedia, I'd be glad to help. Feel free to contact me on my talk page. -Andrew c [talk] 22:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

The Hermits of Saint Bruno are listed in the Official Traditional Catholic Directory under Religious Orders (P 115). Preview of book can be seen here: http://books.google.com/books?id=giA8iihQAT8C&printsec=frontcover&sig=x0lniO29urnVG5zrbE7ZUasp0Gc&source=gbs_book_other_versions_r&cad=0_1 or one can just be purchased.

Beside myself in the Diocese of Orlando, there is a Hermit of Saint Bruno who was just recognized on Wednesday, June 4th by Cardinal Archbishop Sean O’Malley. The occasion is the celebration of a Mass of Consecration for a man who wishes to take perpetual vows as a religious hermit for the Archdiocese of Boston. That man is Brother Benedict Joseph Connelly. (Which was one of the listed Hermitages). I just found an online Catholic Bulletin to use as reference. can be read here: http://parishbulletin.com/Bulletins/1096/060108MaryNewton.pdf

I had planned to add the Diocese of each hermitage that has been Canonically recognized by either Canon 603 or are a Consecrated Religious, as I am. But I was writing the Fraternity to see if I could get a list of all recognized hermitages. As you can imagine this takes time since I am the only hermit within the fraternity with permission to have computer access.

If the page could be returned will add the reference to the Catholic Directory and the Consecration Notices of the hermits from the Dioceses as I find them online. I can reference Benedictine and M.I. documents for myself as well, but they are hardcopy and not online. And more references will appear like a link to my hermitage in the Orlando Diocese.

If you are able to return the deleted page I will slowly build on it. I leave it in God's hands.

Thank you for your time. Regardless of your decision, God Bless you. Rev. Michael Anthony, H.S.B., D.D. 17:31 10 June 2008 (EST)
 * Please leave this message on User talk:Andrew c, where he's more likely to see it. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 21:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I have restored the page in your userspace for you to work on. Please see User:Carthusian hermit/Hermits of Saint Bruno. I suggest you work on it and see if you can bring it up to WP:ORG standards (especially regarding independent media coverage). When you think the article is ready to go live again, it may help avoid future deletions if you ask for a second opinion regarding whether the article is ready to go live again or not. You can ask me, or try Editor assistance/Requests or even Wikipedia talk:Notability. One other comment, if you haven't had a chance to check out WP:COI, you may want to review that page. It is generally discouraged for individuals to edit articles related to things they are personally involved. Hope this helps.-Andrew c [talk] 00:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you I shall review all that you have asked of me and work on the page. Being a hermit that prays the Liturgy of the Hours my time online is very short. But when I think the page is ready for review, I wil ask you or Editor assistance/Requests or even Wikipedia talk:Notability. --Carthusian hermit (talk) 00:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * On review, bits of the article has improved, and I do enjoy seeing you putting efforts into the article. However, an important aspect has not been addressed yet. Independent notability has not been established. No sources independent of the order have been used. We don't have a national newspaper article about the order, no exposé in a magazine. In terms of the citations you've added, what we have is a self-published blog site (which is not a reliable source by wikipedia standards), a self-published church bulletin (which doesn't even mention the order), and a glorified phone book. No historical details are given in the official directory, and because there are so many entries, I don't believe being listed in that directory necessarily meets notability requirements. We really need to establish a) what makes this order notable. Why is it important, and why should we have an article about it and b) establish this notability through sources that are independent of the order and parishes associated with the order. One comment you left to me seemed a little disturbing and makes me wonder if you read WP:COI. You suggested that you may be attempting to orchestrate notability by getting other self-published sources to mention this order. I don't believe doing that will fly. We need sources independent from you and the order to establish notability. The comment I am referring to is I also am waiting for a couple of Diocese that are going to place bulletins or documents on their official sites that reference the hermits. I think part of the issue is that the order was established in 2007 so perhaps it hasn't been around long enough to be notable yet? I apologize if these criticisms seem harsh. I am trying to be constructive and stringent in terms of following the letter of our guidelines. You may wish to seek a 3rd opinion just so it isn't a case of me vs. you (assuming you disagree with my assessment). Perhaps you could spend some time contributing to wikipedia in areas that you are not so personally connected to (and assuming your order becomes notable, then someone independent of the organization will eventually create the article on their own.) I sincerely hope this helps, and if you have any more questions or concerns, don't hesitate to contact me again.-Andrew c [talk] 13:48, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I see many posting that do not even reach the standards that the HSB page is at, though lacking. I am going to continue to work on the Hermits of Saint Bruno. But how is Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest and all its associtaed orders that have pages valid when HSB have more references, multiple diocese support and is older than their organization. I just want to know so I can look for what is required to meet all regulations. They do not even have one reference when we have many. I know you do not count those published by the Church, but at least we have those. This comparrison may make it clearer to me as to why they and their associated organziations are fine as well the Adorers of the Royal Heart of Jesus Christ Sovereign Priest who only uses their own websites as reference. Thank you, I plan to get back to work on the page when released from hospital. Then I can start to look through archival newspaper articles and such.

Those two are example of pages that do not have the material you asked of us, that I started to compile. They both do not fall inline with wikipedia's inclusion policy (see WP:ORG) and clearly fit WP:CSD A7. Articles about organizations MUST explain their notability. "It is also very important that notability is established through citations of multiple reliable sources independent of the organization in question." Which the HSB has shown, though not to your satisfaction as of yet. Since they were all Church publications of different diocese and a Catholic Directory...which you must be an Offical Catholic Organization to even be listed.

I pray you enjoy your vactaion. --Carthusian hermit (talk) 22:10, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Carthusian hermit/Hermits of Saint Bruno
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