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Newgrounds BBS
You re-created the entry on the NG BBS, not withstanding that it was previously deleted with a strong concensus. Don't break Wikipedia rules again or you might get banned. Mackan 08:56, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
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I too, am a fan of Newgrounds, and I understand your enthusaism about the site. However, it is important for articles to be concise and focused--articles should describe the subject and major components of the subject as concisely as possible. Moreover, adding terms and important users is considered orginal research, even more so without external documentation. View Adam Fulton or Jeff Weise for an example of how important users should be documented.

It is important, just as it is at Newgrounds, to read the rules and regulations here at Wikipedia.--HowardSF 06:12, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Could you please stop adding information about the NG BBS. It's of no value to the article. 217.209.197.17 15:26, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Newgrounds
I've been monitering Newgrounds for some time, and there seems to be some controversy regarding the inclusion of the BBS in the article. Now I know that you personally think that information in the BBS belongs in the article and that many editors agree with you, I also know though that many editors believe that there should be no mention of the BBS as is evident by their requests to delete all mention of it in the AFD for the article on the Newgrounds BBS.

Now I'm not saying that either side is right or wrong, but I feel the back and forth editing on the article needs to come to an end. I'd wonder if you and some of the editors who want it left out of the article would be willing to discuss a solution that at least gives everyone a little bit of what they want. I've left a similar message on the talk page of one of them and would appreciate if we could all sort this out before it possibly gets edit-warry. Cheers  Canadian - Bacon  (contribs) 03:28, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

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I'm too busy to do it now, but at some point I could construct a SVG image from the data at journalism.org, instead of using their image. BTW, the original chart has wrong labels on the vertical axis: 0.65 should be 65% and so on.

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I have replaced the total graphs showing total compensation that you removed from a large number of pages (neoliberalism, monetarism, etc.). Since there are a large number of pages with essentially the same reasoning, I decided to discuss the matter here rather than on every article talk page.

Declining real wages with increasing total compensation does tell us something interesting about the US economy: that a greater % of salary is being paid as benefits in kind (mostly healthcare) rather than in cash. Primarily, it is a symptom of rising spending on healthcare faster than the increase in GDP per capita. There's nothing wrong with using the graphs to show this.

But the impression given by your use of the graph was rather the opposite: that everyone has started to earn less in total since the 70s, which is untrue (and patently ridiculous if you simply compare living standards then with now). It is misleading (I won't say deliberately, but I do suspect that from the originator it was, given that the total compensation graph comes from exactly the same source, so they must have seen it).

Please do not reinstate your graphs without discussing the matter here. 78.147.13.3 (talk) 16:13, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * "real compensation" is beyond misleading because not every job gets compensation (small businesses etc.) also you seem to have it backwards, the "compensation" is just increasing employer health care spending on employees (healthcare benefits as compensation) which doesn't in any way show that healthcare quality is increasing.


 * Wages are before spending, their the payment you get, there's no way to intentionally decrease wages unless you ask for a wage reduction. What you seem to be getting confused are wages with income, which can change depending on how someone spends their money.


 * I'll give you some examples of why compensation is pointless:


 * Nobody tries to justify things like Neoliberalism, Monetarism etc. with "real compensation" but many people do criticize those policies by pointing to declining real wages (in fact I cited people's criticism and you replaced it).
 * Private healthcare spending (healthcare benefits) has grown considerably since 1990 so by definition compensation will always increase (source)
 * Families are spending less on basic needs such as food, clothing etc. then they did in 1970 Figure 5 page 16 (note this is in real median income which has gone up since the 70s)
 * No one uses the Fed's definition of "real compensation". CartoonDiablo (talk) 18:46, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Ok, first, please don't edit war. This is against WP policy. I say to discuss first, instead you just replace all the graphs.

Second, I think you may need to take a step back from this. Your user page seems to be entirely about your support for left wing causes - I think this may be clouding your judgement.

I am sorry to be harsh, and I hope I have not offended you, but there is really no argument here. Total compensation is what people get paid. Real wages is just one way out of many different ways of taking the payment. It is like if your employer gave you $10 on Day 1, and on Day 2, gave you $5 and $10 worth of services that you were going to buy anyway. In the second scenario, the total amount of value you receive for your work is $15, which is more than you got on Day 1. But if we plot a graph that only shows wages, it makes it look as though you are receiving less, when the opposite is the case. This is misleading, and the only reason to do this is the push a PoV, by tricking people who will assume that 'real wages' means the total amount paid by employers. 78.145.241.12 (talk) 18:17, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Well to be frank, if there was an "edit war" then you seemed to of started it. I pointed to people who use real wage to criticize a lot of policies (irrespective of my opinions) so the edits fit. As far as I know, nobody uses "real compensation" to promote those policies so you seem to be conjecturing and promoting "right-wing causes" more then I am promoting "left-wing causes". I'm honestly not trying to be combative but I don't see the point of even having the charts in most of the places you put them unless somebody actually tried to justify them with real compensation.


 * With regards to the payment, a lot of jobs don't get the services you described. And the "benefits" (as far as the fed elaborated) are just healthcare spending, which will increase regardless. Also services in general don't make up for money, it's kind of like how workers used to be payed with vouchers.


 * Anyways I think the consensus should be this:


 * If we want to use our charts, we need to cite people who use Real wage/Total compensation for that article
 * It should be fitting, (ie not have a chart in something like History of Corporations or History of Unions)
 * CartoonDiablo (talk) 01:05, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

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Thank you. DASHBot (talk) 05:56, 23 January 2011 (UTC)