User talk:CaseyPenk/Archives/2012/June

Beating me to it
...with these game announcements. Nice job. :) Axem Titanium (talk) 01:41, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Wonderbooks will make boatloads of money but the demo was too long, IMO. Axem Titanium (talk) 02:20, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks like a few of the articles you made during the E3 conferences have gotten long enough to be nominated for WP:DYK. I already nominated Watch Dogs and you might consider nominating some of yours. :) Axem Titanium (talk) 18:17, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hahaha, I usually think "dee-why-kay" but now that you mention it... -_- Let me know if you need any help with the process. Axem Titanium (talk) 06:23, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * How do you mean? It looks like you have a few created June 5 and you can probably IAR and nominate some that are from June 4 as well. Wikipedia would always prefer more DYKs than less, just like it would always prefer more GAs and FAs than less. Axem Titanium (talk) 15:53, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
 Neil N   talk to me  04:31, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Luigi&. Since you had some involvement with the Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). ♠♥♣Shaun9876♠♥♣ Talk Email 16:51, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Just to let you know.
In order to move Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon to Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon, The one you created needs to be deleted if we're going to move the history from Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon to Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. Platinum Lucario (talk) 00:10, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon
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Police brutality
Thank you for contacting me. I have been disappointed by the response in the Cfd discussion and was considering one or two options. I am not in favour of having categories with alleged or other status options in the title. To put someone in such a category requires a source that alleges that Adam Smith was a victim of police brutality. If you don't have such a source then we are back to Wikipedia editors making point of view judgments about it. A category called "confirmed police brutality" could legally have no article in it because even if it is determined that the police acted unlawfully they would be found guilty of assault not police brutality. I think the case of Rodney King is extremely instructive here; after a vehicle chase covering eight miles at speeds up to 90 miles per hour his vehicle was stopped and he was ordered out of the vehicle. After initially refusing to do so he did eventually exit the vehicle but was not compliant with police officer's instructions until a gun was drawn on him. Four officers attempted to handcuff him but he resisted. To gain control of him the police thought it necessary to use a taser and beat him several times with batons. We must assume the officers thought this the right way to deal with a person who at this point was suspected merely of being DUI. If asked they would have said this was not police brutality, this was an honest attempt to gain compliance of a violently resisting offender. When it went to court the jury agreed with the police. Officially, there was no brutality. Many other people including apparently the Mayor of Los Angeles and President George H.W. Bush (and me) do not agree with the jury. Hundreds of Los Angeles residents also disagreed with the verdict and in the rioting that followed 53 people died. There was then a second trial and two of the four officers were found guilty of "human rights abuses". They were not found guilty of police brutality, they were found guilty of human rights abuses. So, in your scheme of "alleged", "confirmed" etc, where does Rodney King go? If you put his article in a category called, "Confirmed police brutality" that's actually a lie, but it clearly belongs in some category to do with being injured in police custody. My preferred options all do away with categories with the word brutality in them. In my opinion, the Wikipedia article Police brutality will need to be renamed or deleted but I am going to fight one battle at a time. First, we get the categories sorted out. Option 1: Using this page I was going to point out, in the Cfd discussion, that most of the editors that voted to maintain the status quo and keep categories with the word "brutality" in them have quoted no Wikipedia policy or guideline to support their argument. They are essentially saying, "I like it this way..." although I accept they will each have different reasons for liking it. That page I linked you to says that such a rationale is not an argument in such a discussion and so we can do one of two things: a) Ignore their votes, or b) Encourage them to use policy or guideline based arguments. I left messages on the pages of three of them on 4-June asking them to clarify their position in view of them not having argued as per some policy or other. None of those three have done that. That means that within option 1 we just have a) Ignore their votes and claim that we have a consensus of those editors who talked to the relevant point. Option 2: Ignore the existing categories completely. Create a new category, call it Category:Injuries in police custody by country. Then have Category:Injuries in police custody in the United Kingdom, and all the other associated countries and we simply categorise incidents where people came to some harm whilst in police custody as an "Injury in police custody". That way we are not accusing anyone of anything, we are not making a value judgment, but we are also not ignoring that people do get injured in police custody. As mentioned at the Cfr discussion, we would need to amend the definition of "in police custody" that I used for the category Category:Deaths in police custody in the United Kingdom so that it includes people like Kevin Gately who was not demonstrably owed a duty of care by the police at the time of his death. My first attempt at redefining "in police custody" would be something like this:
 * For the purpose of this category "police custody" is widely defined to include persons evading arrest, persons not under arrest but assisting with police enquiries, persons in custody for their own protection and persons at events such as demonstrations, rallies and festivals that are being policed where the injured party may have or is believed to have come into contact with the police.

Please let me know what you think.  Cottonshirt  τ   19:26, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Pink Gorilla


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re:Suzhou Rail
Yes. I have been to Shanghai many times, and rail transit in Suzhou is quite similar to that of Shanghai, including trains and stations.-- Makecat  Talk  01:26, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Nichkhun
--PBJT (talk) 18:30, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

List of metaphors
I don't quite follow your reasoning for moving the title. The title you've chosen appears to be less concise.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  13:46, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I was following the naming example at List of English language idioms; which I might add I moved from List of idioms in the English language, which is most definitely not concise. I think it's worthwhile to disambiguate the language being used because Wikipedia does describe words that are not English (even though the text itself is written in English). For example, if you want to know grammar for a specific language you wouldn't go to grammar -- you would go to English grammar or Japanese grammar. I do think we will expand into pages like List of Japanese language idioms and List of German language idioms in the future, which would make the disambiguation all the more necessary. And I think the word "language" should be included because English could refer to the country or to Anglo-Saxon culture -- but I can see both sides of the issue. Mostly I'm just concerned with clarifying which language is being described. CaseyPenk (talk) 00:42, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * PS, on a totally unrelated note, how did you get the "cup of tea" message when I edit your talk page? I've seen it a few times but it doesn't seem to be in this page's code. Is it a custom JavaScript thing? CaseyPenk (talk) 08:02, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Someone else asked that the other day - take a look at: User_talk:25_Cents_FC.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  08:07, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Pink Gorilla
The ref cleanup was actually applied automatically by AWB, and wasn't something that I did manually. I'm not sure if there are any bots that will adjust the spacing of the citation templates — rather, you might have to adjust them manually if you feel strongly enough about it.

In truth, though, as challenging as it is to get used to the spacing, a lot of users also find it very difficult to properly edit text where the reference templates aren't spaced like that: it's not so much of a problem in a short paragraph, but in a longer block of text with a lot of reference tags in it, it can become incredibly difficult to find the text you actually want to edit if the references aren't somehow formatted differently than the body text is, because it just becomes a giant block of running text. I obviously can't prejudge your personal preferences, so you're certainly free to adjust the spacing if you wish — but many users do find the text easier to edit in the current format than they would if the reference tags just continued as unspaced running text. Bearcat (talk) 15:44, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Userboxes
Thanks for your nice message concerning my editing 2PM articles. I'd like to use some of your userboxes in my newly created "about me" section, Bbut I don't understand how to code them. Can you give me a hand? Thank you. Mikepellerin (talk) 20:35, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit: Between the time I wrote this and now, i found the Userbox section of wiki. Thanks again! (your page is awesome btw,) Mikepellerin (talk) 21:37, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Hello again, my favorite 2PM member is Taecyeon. When he lived here in the States (Bedford, MA) I lived a few towns over and got to interview him after his appearance on Superstar Survival. This was pre-debut. Mikepellerin (talk) 05:02, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, he moved here when he was 10, and left for Korea at the age of 17. Mikepellerin (talk) 06:11, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Where did you get the "Koreaphile" userbox? I can't find it. Thanks. Mikepellerin (talk) 23:47, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi, yes "HOTTEST" is 2PM's Official Fanclub. JYP has stated that 2PM is the hottest time of day, also it has 7 letters, one for each member. 2PM's official balloon is metallic grey with 2PM engraved on it, usually in black. There is an official lightstick, but most Hottest use headlamps (I think it was Thai Hottest who started the trend).

2AM's Official Fanclub is "I AM". They don't have a balloon that I'm aware of.

So 2AM + 2PM = Oneday "Oneday" fanclub is "I AM HOTTEST". Mikepellerin (talk) 19:10, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

If you join 2oneday.com, 2pmalways.com, wild2day.org you can get the information you need for the 2PM article. 2oneday is the oldest and has the most info, wild2day has many rules for their forums, and are ban happy. 2pmalways is a Thai fan site, but posts in English as well. If you need to watch Hot Blood or Wild Bunny 2oneday has downloads. If i can think of anything else, I'll come back here. If you need my email, just ask. Mikepellerin (talk) 21:04, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Also, I left some comments on the 2PM talk page. If there's stuff on the page you don't understand, such as the music show rankings etc., just ask. Mikepellerin (talk) 01:04, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Shoot me an email at mikepellerin at mindspring dot com. Editing is tricky (let me discuss in email, not online). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikepellerin (talk • contribs) 06:14, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Nigahiga videography for deletion
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Facebook
Hi. Can you take a look at the lead now? I rewrote a good chunk of it and just want to check with someone else about the appropriateness of tone, content, etc. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 14:38, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Re: Thank You
No problem at all - regards the font, if you go to my talk page and click edit, you'll see a div style line about two from the top - if you stick that at the top of your talk page, you can change the font on your talk page, and yes I use Century Gothic. :) Miyagawa   (talk)  14:41, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:YouTube users


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I am now proud owner of a TUSC account! — Preceding unsigned comment added by CaseyPenk (talk • contribs) 13:48, June 12, 2012 (UTC)