User talk:CaseyPenk/Archives/2013/August

Userboxes
Hey, I noticed you starting to move userboxes to your new account. Be careful because you'll break quite a lot of userpages when you do so. Is it necessary or can they remain where they are now? Cabe 6403  (Talk•Sign) 12:14, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

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Master Lock SWP
Hi Casey

In response to your sporep banner on my Talk page, I have recorded a Master Lock recording but for some reason didn't finish uploading it. Heresy, I know! Have you also recorded it? Chris W. (talk) 20:29, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:PlayStation 2 nav box
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PlayStation 3 homebrew
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Playstation 4
Hi there, CaseyPenk,

I agree that letting as many people know as possible about the release variety of PS4, therefore, as you may have already noticed, I have re-edited the page to list more continents that the PS4 will be coming to, and of course, the dates that it will be released, if you wish to share anything else on the matter, please do not hesitate to contact, but listing Central and South America together as Latin America, means that all countries in the continent e.g. Chile, Brazil, Peru etc...., will be covered.

Regards,

Cuzzystyle 2014 (Talk) 01:40, 22 August 2013 (BST)

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commonname
A nice addition to your commonname section would be Cat Stevens who has renamed himself as Yousef Islam, but we do not use that name. Gaijin42 (talk) 16:08, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. The text in that index was actually just copied and pasted from WP:COMMONNAME. If you think it should be added to WP:COMMONNAME please go ahead; if you aren't sure please discuss on the talk page for WP:COMMONNAME; namely, Wikipedia talk:Article titles. Thanks for your contribution to the discussion. CaseyPenk (talk) 16:15, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

new section on manning talk
Hi, would you consider trimming that section on manning talk. I think I know what your purpose is, but copy/pasting large sections of poilcy - which are themselves likely to be debated and possibly changed over the next few days/weeks/etc is likely to lead to confusion - I'd suggest just listing the relevant policies as hyperlinks without copying the text. thanks --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 16:17, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Although I think it's much less useful without the full text, I condensed it to keep the page short (in terms of KB / load time especially). Any thoughts on any way we could shorten the talk page? It's so massive and only getting more so. CaseyPenk (talk) 16:45, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No idea how to make it smaller. It's currently archiving after 3 days - we could update it to archive after 2 days or even 24 hours, but that's rather aggressive. I feel bad for the closing admins. It's not even much of a discussion anymore - just people saying "COMMONNAME" and others saying "BLP/MOS:ID" etc. what a mess - and what an irony that the slate article said "moved without debate" - ha!--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 16:48, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I found the BuzzFeed article similarly disappointing.
 * "Many didn’t know the policy" -- there are a number of policies at play
 * "But there were some who disagreed with honoring Manning’s choice." -- true, and also some who disagreed on procedural grounds
 * "While Wikipedia footnoted the source of the name change, it refreshingly didn’t feel the need to have an explanation for why the entry was updated to reveal the current correct language." -- as if Wikipedia were a monolith, or else a sentient being! CaseyPenk (talk) 17:00, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

I just want to thank you for actually starting a move request. How it plays out I don't really care; I think both sides have good points. If we could harness this passion into improving or creating articles .... To shorten, how about putting the closed sections behind show/hide bars, and the move request likewise, in (say) six hour segments (perhaps closing a segment after twenty-four hours? In any case, thank you for thinking! htom (talk) 20:46, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

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Chelsea Manning
I'm not sure I understand what kind of justification or explanation you're looking for. I've been extensively involved in monitoring a lot of articles for WP:BLP compliance over the years (feel free if you'd like to ask me about the Ukrainian Orthodox bishop!) I'm familiar enough with LGBT issues to know where the WP:BLP and WP:NPOV sensitivities are around those topics (and while I certainly don't claim to be perfect I am pretty well-known around here as a reliable judge of NPOV issues; I've even had self-professed anti-gay editors approach me for help in toning down potential bias in a biography of a gay activist, that's how strong my reputation is about that sort of thing.) And there are quite a few illogical and/or transphobic arguments being made on the talk page, and I'm simply not interested in letting that kind of stuff go unresponded to.

You don't have to agree, but as far as I'm concerned I just don't understand why a transgender person's name is even a topic of debate at all. It's just a no-brainer BLP issue to me — a person comes out as transgender, you switch the pronouns and move the name. It's just not even a question to me, it's just the only appropriate or logical or BLP-compliant way to handle the situation and I genuinely don't understand why there's even an issue about it.

I really don't know what else you want to know. Bearcat (talk) 23:58, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

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Chelsea Manning gender identity media coverage
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