User talk:Casliber/Archive 1

This is an archive of my discussion page from May 2006 to December 11 2006. Please leave new messages on current talk page. thanks Cas Liber 07:02, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Photo identification
Hi Cas,

Snottygobble 12:09, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Any chance you can identify the Banksia shown on the right? For background to this query see User talk:Snottygobble/Archive 5 and User talk:LiquidGhoul.
 * 2) When I was working on article Banksia I was very dissatisfied with the quantity and quality of photographs at my disposal, and unfortunately was not in a position to take any photos myself. I'm stoked at the excellent photos you've been uploading. Can I encourage you to replace the images in Banksia with any of your own that you think are better?  Earlier on we had an excellent closeup of the flower spike showing the styles entrapped by the upper perianth parts, but unfortunately that photo was under a non-free licence so had to be deleted. If you have any good closeups of flower parts, follicles, infructescences, etc, that would be great.


 * Wow, thanks a lot for the identification. --liquidGhoul 14:05, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I think that is how it was; they weren't very vertical flowers. I am in Newcastle, but my mum is in Gloucester so I go there quite a bit. I am very far away from Washpool National Park, but I would love to go there. The frog species list is incredible. Which means I might go there in summer, but we'll see how petrol prices are :). If there is anything from the Newcastle/Gloucester region you want a photo of, I may be able to help. It depends on the location, I have uni exams soon so once the holidays start, I will be back looking for stuff to photograph. Thanks --liquidGhoul 23:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comment, I love that photo too. I was just at Swansea last weekend for a geology excursion (evidence of a giant volcano eruption, and a felled glossopteris forest), which looks like it is pretty close to Catherine Hill Bay. It looked like a decent area, I did notice an abundance of Banskias (though I couldn't tell you what species), I will go there some time. If you have any other suggestions, I would love to hear them. Thanks --liquidGhoul 14:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

That's cool, I don't think I put it there originally. I was waiting for it to be identified, so it could go on a more specific page. Good to know it has a good home :). --liquidGhoul 07:37, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Creating articles
I got the impression from your comment at Talk:Banksia that you can't yet create articles. I'd forgotten about this; when I first joined up any accounts could create articles, but there was too much vandalism coming from new accounts so the rules were changed so new accounts couldn't create articles until they had been around a while.

I've taken the liberty of creating User:Casliber/Draft. If you want to create a new article, you can write it there, then ask me (or any other non-new person) to move the content to your desired article title.

Alternatively, I'll be happy to create any non-existent article that you want to work on. Just let me know.

Snottygobble 01:10, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Welcome aboard!
Thank you for signing on with the Horticulture and Gardening Wikiproject! Many web users search for information about gardens, and hopefully we can make this part of wikipedia as useful as it should be. SB Johnny 12:35, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Banksia as FA
I'm glad you asked. Absolutely. I was thinking about this ages ago but we didn't have good images and I was largely on my own. When you came along I thought about it again, but have been busy with other things. I'll start a to-do list at Talk:Banksia. Snottygobble 00:20, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I've started a to-do list as promised. It will be a big job just turning all those red links into blue links. Snottygobble 00:46, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

help me please - id required
Image:Banksia reabold hill gnangarra.jpg Can you please help in identifying this Banksia, it was taken on 3rd April 2006 in Floreat, Western Australia, full plant description on image description page. I have many others of this plant that I would like to upload and add to the appropriate article. Thank you in advance, if you cant help I appreciate you taking the time to read my request. Gnangarra 11:00, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the fast response I'll upload the other images tonight and put them in the commons category:Banksia prionotes. Feel free to add them to any appropriate articles Gnangarra 11:21, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


 * There you go, you now officially have a reputation as Wikipedia's resident expert on Banksias. Snottygobble
 * Four more images are loaded on commons category Banksia prionotes, this is a subcat of Banksia, which is a subcat of Proteaceae  Gnangarra 13:30, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Glad you could use the image, interestingly I nominated it for featured Picture on Commons Gnangarra 09:39, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Banksia spinulosa
Nice. It's always interesting to observe a person's unique writing style when you see an article written entirely by them for the first time. I've made a few changes and additions, most of which are self-explanatory. Aside from them, my thoughts are: Snottygobble 12:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It needs references; really that ought to be non-negotiable.
 * The top left is by convention kept free of images, so that the first thing in the article is the opening sentence.
 * "Banksia spinulosa Smith (1793)" incorrectly follows zoological nomenclature convention. Under botanical convention the correct full name is just "Banksia spinulosa Smith". (You're not alone in this; The Banksia Atlas rather annoyingly makes the same mistake). I just thought I should explain why I removed the year.
 * Also "Smith" should be linked to the article on the botanist, but I don't know who that is. There's no entry for Smith in List of botanists by author abbreviation.
 * I've created redirects at Hairpin Banksia and Hairpin banksia, so that any reader who types in "Hairpin Banksia" or "Hairpin banksia" will automatically be redirected to the correct article.
 * I'll come back later and refactor a couple of little bits which are a bit editorial; and add some references if you don't beat me to it.


 * this is a great biology article. thanks for all your hard work in putting it together. hope to see more from you casliber. best regards. Covalent 01:36, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I've done a lot of work on this article this morning. I think it looks pretty good now. Considering the intent was to blue a red link, you might say what we've done is complete overkill! Do you have a reference for the cultivars info? Snottygobble 01:47, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Also "Mast's study". Snottygobble 01:50, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I found your reference to Mast's study on Cladistic analysis of Banksia, and have inserted it. If you can whack in a reference to your newsletter when you get a chance, I think we can call this one finished (well, nothing's ever finished on Wikipedia, but you know what I mean). Snottygobble 01:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

DYK
Thanks for your contributions!  + +Lar: t/c 02:27, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * oops I put that fact up, it doesnt realy matter its still over 100 just by a bit more, I intent of DYK is to draw attention to new articles, goto this page and leave a message on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Gnangarra 09:04, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * see the vandalism it attracted after being on DYK, very amusing 9and how quickly it was cleaned up) Cas Liber 01:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You ain't seen nothing yet. You put your heart and soul into getting an article up to featured article status, and once it hits the main page it gets absolutely butchered by vandals for 24 hours. It's a good thing you've got a sense of humour about it. Snottygobble 01:51, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

while the vandals were having fun I wwent a photographed B. menziesii Gnangarra 04:21, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Beautiful image! Obviously we'll use it at Banksia menziesii. It is also just the close-up we need to illustrate the process of anthesis. At the top the styles are still trapped inside the upper perianth parts; at the bottom they have pulled free. Snottygobble 04:30, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

hahaha - nice one guys. I had just settled on usingthe prionotes one but this illustrates it more clearly Cas Liber 04:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * before you settle for this one wait til the morning I took 40 pix while I was there and will sort then upload the good ones using commist tonight. Gnangarra 04:39, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * are there any others in flower at the moment that you would like, just give me a description and where I'll see what I can do Gnangarra 04:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * If you could photograph a dieback-affected (i.e. dead) tree, that would be great... although it wouldn't be pretty. Snottygobble 04:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem a banksia or just any tree Gnangarra 05:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * A Banksia. Wanted for Banksia. Snottygobble 06:33, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

According to my understanding of Wiki etiquette you can remove the tag yourself if you've had a serious go at rectifying the problem, which you have. But if I were you I'd check with Peta anyway; she is very nice and makes marvellous contributions to Australian flora and fauna articles. Drop a message at her talk page, as she might not see your comment on the article talk page. Snottygobble 03:23, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Menziesii
Nice. I fiddled around and couldn't figure out how to stop those left images overlapping and crunching the text, so I've moved them into a gallery.

I've been doing some pretty extensive reading on the taxonomy of Banksia. See User:Snottygobble/Drafts/Taxonomy of Banksia, especially the opening paragraph and the History section. Still lots to go. I've got most of the critical references now, but can't find Johnson and Briggs (1976). I noticed you added a reference to it on some other Proteaceae genus article, so you might have to write that section for me.

Snottygobble 08:55, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Would you like me to DYK this one, or did we feed the vandals enough this week. Gnangarra 10:16, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

- sure why not? bit of a larf Cas Liber 10:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I put this fact up the Banksia menziesii was named after physician and naturalist Archibald Menzies. yes all are from the same basic location. two different points one on north side and one on the western side. Did you notice pict 17, leaves formed up for flower spike but spike never occured. Gnangarra 10:48, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Dont wether you have seen this but here it is a list of plants susceptable to dieback. http://www.cpsm.murdoch.edu.au/downloads/resources/natives_susceptible.pdf Gnangarra 11:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Snottygobble
I've found a location to photograph snottygobbles it near mt cooke 90km south of here, so be able to get in the next couple of weeks. There area has significant dieback problems so some pict of that as well. theres facilities for wlkers to clean before/after entry so I shouldn't be spreading the problem, though if its wet the picts can will have to wait a while longer. Gnangarra 11:05, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Man this is going to take some getting used to. Snottygobble 11:44, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * maybe we should give them a new name, did you see snottygobbles are susceptable to die back Gnangarra


 * with the personality disorder, maybe there's a need for a snottygobble with such to be photographed? SatuSuro 01:10, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


 * photographing snottygobbles is getting dangerous, first its bark, now it got personality disorders.. Gnangarra 02:07, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

WikiAward
Hi Cas, This is one of my favorite parts of being an editor...

Thanks for your contributions. Our articles are better because of your efforts. :)-- Firsfron of Ronchester 20:14, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Congrats, you should copy onto your user page Gnangarra 05:53, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

OK then I will :)Cas Liber 07:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Your article, Banksia menziesii, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! (several folk worked on it, credit to all...)  + +Lar: t/c 00:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

OUMNH uploads
Thanks, Cas, for the uploads - yes, they do brighten the relevant pages a bit. However, I'd go for Firsfron's whizz edit of the Scelidosaurus, in preference to the original - what do you reckon? It's brighter and distractions have been removed. - Ballista 09:24, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah.... (no sooner sed than done) Cas Liber 09:27, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Taxonomy of Banksia
Rewrite complete. What do you think?

I thought it was complete when it was nothing but George's arrangement. You're discussion of Thiele and Mast opened a whole new world for me. I've learned a lot about taxonomy, cladistics, phylogeny, etc in the last week or so.

Snottygobble 02:22, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Banksia again
I keep thinking you must be getting sick of hearing about Banksia, and then I remember that you've be at it for years. Three things: Snottygobble 02:59, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Thanks for the Proteaceae reference fix.
 * 2) In case you hadn't noticed, I went on a Banksia stub-making rampage on the weekend.
 * 3) I've created User:Snottygobble/Notes/Banksia to help me/us coordinate my/our edits to Banksia subjects. If you find it useful, feel free (but by no means obliged) to update / add to / edit it just as if it were in the main space.


 * See Dryandra sessilis - it's the stubbiest stub that ever you saw, but at least its something. Snottygobble 03:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Prenoceratops pieganensis
well they look quite similar indeed. are they related? i mean the Leptoceratops and the Prenoceratops pieganensis
 * Wow - great that you're trying to draw some of these things. I go permission to upload someone's Leptoceratops if that's any help Cas Liber 17:57, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:LadyofHats"
 * nice pic! The other thing to note with ceratopsians is the recent discovery of a longer keratinous horny material on the jugal horn (lateral thingy behind the eye) on a recent well preserved Psittacosaurus, so it may have been longer in real life. What are you thinking of drawing next? Shall we send requests? :) Cas Liber 21:41, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * right now i am working on fixing the Abrictosaurus, and i have also material to start doing the head of a Abrosaurus. i was already told there is a lot of dinosaurs needing an ilustration so i started by looking on the "list of dinosaurs" yet if you have a request i will gadly help you with it. :)LadyofHats 10:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC).


 * I actually start to see what you mean. not that i mind working with few sources, but some of these things have no sources at all. on the other hand i thought that for those dinosaurs where there is a lot of information there should also be a lot of copyright free ilustrations or pictures you can use, or? in any case i am glad to help :)LadyofHats 10:07, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Alex George
Do you know Alex well enough to ask him for a suitably licenced digital happy snap for his article? Snottygobble 01:22, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Yep (I am haivng trouble with his email but will try to ring him) Cas Liber 01:25, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Celia too? Snottygobble 01:37, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Leeds Castle
Nice! - Ballista 02:38, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

ABRS
I been poking around and Australian Biological Resources Study is a start for ABRS. Gnangarra 05:05, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Regnosaurus
Hi - the reason I de-stubbed it is there really isn't too much more one could write on this dinosaur, known from a jawbone only, without etting very technical. I have the Armored Dinosaurs book which has a large amount of very technical information. There are quite alot of stubs. I guess it is all relative, but I would define stubs are the dinos with loads more which could be written (and there are plenty of these) and have equally short articles (eg. Shunosaurus etc.). My idea was that de-stubbing some which are little more than nomina dubia hopefully folks will concentrate on others which can be expanded, but I am happy to leave stub there. cheers Cas Liber 08:28, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. You know, your contributions are always appreciated. You've expanded so many articles. But I don't think it's a good idea to remove stub tags from very short articles. I had this discussion a few months ago with another editor who was removing stub tags from short dinosaur articles. His rationale, like yours, was "not much more can be said!", but even if one person can't think of much more that can be said, someone else might, which is why the stub tag is useful. I can think of all sorts of non-technical ways this article could be expanded. Last night, after you removed the tag, I was still able to add a few non-technical sentences within a few minutes of reading the article. A picture (or pictures) could be added. The taxobox could be filled out further (because it's a probable huayangosaur). There's a pubis of Regnosaurus known on the Isle of Wight. Since we have an entire section on WP about IoW dinosaurs, something could be done on that. These are only examples I've thought of, but I bet other people could think of many others. Also: it's a lot easier to work with the articles with WikiMedia tools (CatScan in particular) if all the stub articles are left stubbed. CatScan is still catching "new" short articles. If I make a new list, or update the old list, of short articles, I'd like to know I'm catching all the articles, instead of all except those which had their stub tags removed. Unless the article is no longer short, please please please don't remove the tag! Happy editing. :) Firs. -- Firsfron of Ronchester 15:27, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Cladograms
Thanks. I'm about to log off (or I'll be on the naughty chair too). I'll get back to you. Snottygobble 12:10, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

thanks
I'm just hovering in the background you and User:Snottygobble are doing the hard parts, do you think you could regulate the Banksia articles to supply two new DYK a week for a couple of more months 8)  Gnangarra 13:03, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Banksia
... is up and running. Snottygobble 02:17, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Iguanodon pic
Hi - thanks for looking at my latest image page. I like the use of the Diplodocus - as you suggested, I did brighten up the darker image, taken from his front end. Any use? Firsfron has, as before, made some whizz alterations to enhance some of the salvagable shots on that page so another look may be worth your while. I didn't fully understand your comment on Iguanodon image - to which did you refer? Thanks for your feedback - much appreciated as usual. - Ballista 04:29, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, the Animatronics thingy. Yes, he is rather gorgeous. Don't fret about Sidney - it means your time will come, and lots of new and UP-TO-DATE stuff will be there for the snatching. - Ballista 04:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Banksia page image
I just looked at the page it appears ok to me, I check the image on commons its ok there viewable in both my gallery, its failed FP nomination page, and in the banksia category Gnangarra 14:55, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Image:Banksia rosserae flower.jpg
Hey just letting you know User:Snottygobble had nominated this image for Featured picture on Commons, I then borrowed his nomination wording and nominated it on Wikipedia for Featured picture. Gnangarra 15:56, 10 July 2006 (UTC) cool!Cas Liber 21:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Cladograms
I'm a bit concerned about the copyright status of those cladograms. Since authors nearly always sign a copyright transfer as a condition of publication, I would have thought that copyright on the figures would be held by the American Journal of Botany rather than Mast. I hope you're absolutely certain that Mast holds copyright and you are allowed to licence them GFDL on his behalf. If you're not then we would be better off deleting them before you get the bollocking of a lifetime. Snottygobble 05:36, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Hmm-good point. I was wondering the other way of reproducing knowledge as in here if you scan down Ceratopsia how his goes with copyright (amazig what you can do with forward and backward slashses and dashes WRT cladograms.....Cas Liber 05:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * No worries there. The information isn't copyrighted, just the form in which it is expressed. Snottygobble 05:59, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

thats it then,do you want to try the slashes and dashes or shall I.....Cas Liber 06:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No rush. I'll have a think about it. Should those cladograms be deleted? Snottygobble 06:06, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep, I've got a copy of the "historical biogeography" paper, whence the diagrams came. Snottygobble 06:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Banksia brownii
What do you think of the intro now? Snottygobble 02:39, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Medicine
You mentioned you're in mental health. You a psychiatrist or psychologist? Any case, there is a Wikiproject that deals specifically with clinical medicine (WP:CLINMED). You're welcome to join (no formal qualifications needed) or just browse the project, its talk page (aka doctors' mess)-- or its guidelines on medical article writing (WP:CLINMED/Writing_medical_articles).

If you have interests are in nephrology, GI there are projects specifically for those things. I don't think there is a psychiatry project yet, but you're welcome to start one if you want to (again, no qualifications needs-- with the exception of interest and a bit of time). I look forward to more of your edits. Nephron T|C 04:34, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hi! I'm glad you like the "grey pages." I just put a link on my site to the dinosaur page here, and rewrote what I said about it because it seemed like faint praise. I think that the dinosaur pages here are a good idea, especially after considering all of the once-great personal sites that have gone dormant or extinct.--J. Spencer 23:42, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

DYK
Thankyou for your contributions. Blnguyen | rant-line 04:14, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

B. brownii
We need more photos of B. brownii if we're going to get it featured. Is that grafted B. brownii you planted in your yard still alive? I realise it wouldn't have flowered yet, but a closeup of the leaves would be good. Any chance you can help out? Snottygobble 02:52, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Pardon my Australian: you're a bloody legend mate! Snottygobble 03:27, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Edit clash
Hi Cas, we just had an edit clash on Ankylosauria. Please check I didn't mess up anything you were doing. You sorted your typo, before I hit 'save page' :-) - well done!.

Id needed
Hi all photographed this on the islands in the middle of South street Bullcreek today. Can you help with ID. Gnangarra 06:37, 30 July 2006 (UTC) Please dont put this image to a page I'll have it deleted and upload using a better name once its ID. Gnangarra
 * WikiProject Banksia/Image Id requested instead of cluttering up your talk page with images, i've created this page Gnangarra 06:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ID, Gnangarra 11:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * More advice please when photographing the ashbyi as it was a road planting I collected an old spike that had recently fallen, the spike has released about a third of its seeds. I read that by boiling the spike I could collect some of the remaining seeds, its this possible or is there a better method. Two reason behind wanting to try and release the seeds is, to photograph the seeds (for here) and the other to see if I can grow them.  If the process is more involved I could also photograph the stages of that as well. thanks in advance. Gnangarra 11:19, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

MCOTW
NCurse work 13:25, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Cheers!
Even tho' you have to do everything upside down, you've done some hellish good work round here (WPDinos) & I've enjoyed reading your contributions & discussions - here's to a real jar, one day? - Ballista 09:14, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Australian Magpie
Hi Cas

This guy is one of the better images I have, Image:G tibicen dorsalis gnangarra.jpg the magpie isnt one of my normal subjects but if you want I get some more. Gnangarra 06:04, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * then there is this guy Image:G tibicen dorsalis 02 gnangarra.jpg he's in the same commons cat.Gnangarra

Smelly
It may be late saturday night, but I wonder what you think of the factoid and statoid arts - they are troubling me, and I sort of thought I'd pass it by my plant and bird friends :) SatuSuro 14:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * So some bs go in and legitimise rubbish. (factoid and staoid) My apologies for mentioning it, I'm taking it off my watchlist it disturbs me. :( SatuSuro 08:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Some new images
HI Cas I photographed this lot in Kings park today Commons user gallery take a look, There a couple that are in need of ID. Gnangarra 10:40, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The last bud-thing looks alot like a B. blechnifolia bud. Was this a different plant to the preceding two? Yes it was about 50 metres away from the first group. Thanks for the ID's Gnangarra 12:49, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you shed any light on whats affecting this one Image:Banksia littoralis 02 gnangarra.jpg --Gnangarra 13:46, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * thanks for the info, i'll try and get to te museum in the next couple of weeks Gnangarra 23:43, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

featured pictures
Hi Cas I did put one up, but this is why I dont bother anymore it aint worth the pain
 * *Strong Oppose - non-notable, poorly taken picture, not eye catching at all. --GoOdCoNtEnT 04:54, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

--Gnangarra 09:28, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks it looks good, --Gnangarra 11:36, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Torosaurus
Any luck yet, with the original paper that would help us with the derivation? - Ballista 19:29, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Banksia brownii
I case you missed it Raul has promoted Banksia brownii to FA. well done Gnangarra 00:15, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Albany historical society web page
Hi Cas these guys may have some information on the earlier expeditions that collected of banksia speciemins. [http://www.historicalbany.com.au/ --[[User:Gnangarra|Gnangarra]] 13:33, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Take that!
Good stuff!

Frog photos
Hey Cas,

I was wondering whether you had any photos of frogs. I am trying to expand the photo (and article) collection to as many as possible. I have been asking around here and Flickr and have had a bit of success, but we are still so very, very short of complete. Thanks --liquidGhoul 11:48, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Man, thanks for askin'. Never tried to take a photo of a frog. Am in an inner city 'burb and the only ones I've seen are the brown marsh (?) frogs. Next time we get a downpour I'll give it a go. I have been trying to snap a few birds and been to museums in Sydney Melbourne and Brisbane for Dino skeletons in the past few weeks.Cas Liber 11:51, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Most of the Sydney species have photos, but keep an eye out when you are in Queensland, or any other state for that matter. And if you ever go out west, be very sure to go outside of a night if it rains! Oh, and this is the frog you were talking about. Thanks --liquidGhoul 11:58, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: seeds
Banksia aemula in Perth?? Would be interesting if it was. I can't imagine it being used in amenities planting over there. Where was the tree?Cas Liber 20:49, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * On a large multi-building (i.e. campus-like) site entirely landscaped with native gardens. On a brief walk around the site I found integrifolia, menziesii, grandis, attenuata, three different orange flowered species, and a couple I couldn't identify.
 * The plants I tentatively identified as aemula had trunks, but they were bent and twisted and to a large extent ran horizontally, so that the habit was more that of a bush than a tree. The infructescence was very hairy, and I was surprised at how thick and stiff the hairs were. The follicles were very big and stuck out a long way, and unbeaked.
 * Snottygobble 00:10, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Weird. Tell me where it is and I can take a look when I am over in DecemberCas Liber 02:48, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for offering to look at the article. If you have any ideas, I'd love to hear them. I'm begininng to think it was a bad idea nominating it again. :). Yes, the problem qwith stegosaurus is it's all disjointed. I'll fix it up for you after I've finished working on the list of dinosaurs & jewellery. Who knows, maybe we can use the ol', I scratch your back, you scratch mine... Thanks a bunch... Spawn Man 04:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

December
Hi Cas, I see you left a message on SG talk page about being in our neck of the woods in December. If time permits a coffee or an ale would be nice, I'm sure SG would try to be available as well. Gnangarra 12:57, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Cas can you help ID these two flowers the Dyandra just needs a species but the grevilleoideae to me looked like a species of Lomatia but theres no west coast varieties any thoughts?


 * I certainly would.
 * To my mind the leaves of the right image are somewhat reminiscent of Hakea cristata.
 * Snottygobble 23:54, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm wondering if it might be Hakea undulata --Melburnian 06:44, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Plateosaurus ref
Hi - nice work referencing this stuff. - However, when I removed a typo space from the deriv of Plateosaurus, then checked the history page, the whole reference section you had added were coloured red as if my edit - I didn't touch the reference, so can only assume it's because the reference number is going inside the bracket - I moved it outside but you might want to review this modification, if you disagree with me. I note you have similarly added a ref. to Stego, too so presumably that would behave in the same way. - Cheers :-) - Ballista 11:17, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh well - that's alright then! - Ballista 12:33, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Isopogon
Hi Cas,

Would you be able to comment on the Isopogon sp. on WP:AWNB. It was labelled what I called it at the Botanic Gardens, but Melburnian isn't sure about it. Thought you might have an idea. Thanks --liquidGhoul 11:58, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Fungi
Hi, I see you have been working on fungi articles. I was wondering if you'd want to help out with the fungi section on Flora of Australia. It needs a overview of the fungi that we know are present in Australia and some notable examples. I can't get a hold of Fungi of Australia so I'm not sure how to develop it form where it is. Thanks in advance --Peta 05:46, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Ceratopsian images - Fair dinkum
It's a good plan - I have to sign off for the day, now - I'll leave it to you folks to look around WP & Wikimedia to see. - Ballista 06:31, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I get it now. Good call! Sheep81 22:06, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Good choice, I reckon or anyway until something better comes along. - Ballista 04:27, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Banksia images on Flickr
I've found nine photos of Banksia with suitable licences (i.e. cc-by-sa) on Flickr. Can you identify any of these?
 * 1) http://www.flickr.com/photos/botheredbybees/238325281/ (old B. spinulosa spinulosa with black styles)
 * 2) http://www.flickr.com/photos/maebmij/12739587/ (nice photo of B. ericifolia ericifolia)
 * 3) http://www.flickr.com/photos/michaelhoward/114787415/
 * 4) http://www.flickr.com/photos/66182839@N00/248059772/ (nice photo of B. ericifolia ericifolia)
 * 5) http://www.flickr.com/photos/66182839@N00/248059864/ (nice photo of B. ericifolia ericifolia)
 * 6) http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianz/143052466/ (nice photo of B. ericifolia ericifolia in late bud, NSW south coast)
 * 7) http://www.flickr.com/photos/pvk/59114431/(looks like B. spinulosa spinulosa, has to be eastern states as there is a Superb Blue Wren in same series)
 * 8) http://www.flickr.com/photos/absolutwade/91714226/
 * 9) http://www.flickr.com/photos/78191691@N00/195545534/ (looks like B. integrifolia, would be nice to know whether garden or bush specimen)

Snottygobble 05:04, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Number 8 looks like Prionotes Gnangarra 05:29, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks guys. Snottygobble 00:09, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


 * number 3 -- might be Banksia praemorsa what do you think
 * too green. I am thinking B oblongifolia. In fact I'm pretty sure of it (extremely unlikely to be western sp. in NSW. They die)Cas Liber

Uh oh
I may have jumped the gun on Stegosaurus...not sure if this FAC will be doable. Any help much appreciated. Question is, how much embellishment is enough on scientific bits. cheers Cas Liber 03:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No worries. I'll see what I can do to help. :) Best, Firsfron of Ronchester  03:16, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't worry; the comments haven't been too critical. This is something we can fix, it'll just take a bit of work. I'm working on it right now. Firsfron of Ronchester  03:24, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hope you had fun! OK, here's what I did. Obviously, some copyedits. I added info about the animal's height, since there wasn't any. Then I added a paragraph on juvenile specimens, with citation. That helps fill out what was a rather short Description section. Then, as you wisely suggested, I merged some of the shorter sections. Plate function and arrangement are now together in one section. here is a highlighted list of the diffs. Clearly, you've already done a lot of work, and I applaud your many efforts to get this article up to FA status! I've tried to address most of the objections, but let me know what you think. I'll be checking the review regularly to see if any other adjustments are suggested; it isn't fair for you to do this all on your own. Don't worry; we'll get there! :)  Firsfron of Ronchester  06:02, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, don't strike out their comments; let them do that themselves, when they feel their points have been addressed. The last thing we want to do is ruffle feathers. One other point: the original nomination is sort of weak. I've noticed there are fewer objections when the original nomination knocks out key points, addressing concerns people will have before they even see the article, so that by the time they read the article, half their fears are allayed. It's no big deal, really, but it might help for future nominations. I gather, though, that you were knackered by all the work up to that point: I saw you did a dreadful amount of work on the article: that was crazy! :) Anyway, like I said, I'll be checking the comments regularly; there's no point in you burning yourself out working on this one article. And even if you do want to keep working on it, just know you don't have to take on all that responsibility. I'll help out as much as I can. Cheers! :) Firsfron of Ronchester  09:11, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Deal! :) Once we get Stegosaurus featured, since Ankylosaurus is already a Good Article, it should be a cake walk in comparison! :) Firsfron of Ronchester  10:02, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the cucumber! I had a good laugh! :) I'm still checking on the FA review, but no one's saying much just yet. Firsfron of Ronchester  19:53, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

mycomorphbox
Hello Cas Liber, Thanks for mentioning an interest in expanding the mycomorphbox usage. Please let me know when your schedule has you contributing in that way, and I would be happy to make a push with you to include them on as many species pages as possible. Right now, FYI I think they are on about 30-40% of the pages listed in the Category:Basidiomycetes, so it wouldn't be too much work for the two of us to get the rest linked in. Debivort 02:25, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * As per your suggestion, I have made an unknown edibility icon for the mycomorphbox. Simply use "unknown" for the edibility parameter and you get a snazzy little question mark. Debivort 08:14, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Use/food prep on S. luteus
Hi Casliber- Saw your edits and hope you don't mind a couple questions from a beginner. I just ate my first couple of these last week--they were tasty. I took off what I thought my mushroom book meant as the slime coating, but left the pores. Do you take off the pores in case they have some residual slime? -Eric (talk) 03:40, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay--thanks! -Eric (talk) 04:28, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Post mortem
Oh (expletives deleted) sod it - still, I can understand - something about the overall flow of the Stegosaurus page I was always a bit unhappy with. How long is a lockout period before re-requesting FAC? Cas Liber 00:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey Cas!
 * My reaction was the same as yours: "Oh ****!". I'm not aware of any formal time limits before it can be re-submitted, but I know before we re-submit we must address the concerns people had, including length of the article, etc. I plan to use Velociraptor and the other FA to help pad out the article, and eliminate any blank areas we might still have. After resubmitting, we will have to show the differences between the old and new versions. I'm up to the challenge, and will work on it later tonight (but I've got a mid-term now...). So I'll start right after that! :) Best, Firsfron of Ronchester  02:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Comfort zone.......
I must admit I do feel out of my depth sometimes with dinosaurs, even though I have been interested for yonks. Another hobby is Australian plants, in particular Banksia, and we are about to stick Banksia integrifolia up as a Featured Article Candidate - this will hopefully reinflate my defaltion on Steggy........Cas Liber 11:09, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You certainly don't seem out of depth with the dinosaur articles. Good luck with Banksia. I'll try to take a look. :) Best, Firsfron of Ronchester  09:24, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

EF
Somehow I missed your message until after it went to air. Bitterly disappointed. Would have liked to have seen you, and would have liked to have heard what kind of Banksia questions they would have asked. Hesperian 01:51, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * How did you go? I just tested myself against these questions . I would have got five out of thirteen :-( Hesperian 01:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Platypus
I've just seen your message on the talk page - I've been rewriting this over the past couple of months as it was abandoned. I was planning to give it a copyedit and fill in the last citations today and then put it up for a quick PR before resubmitting it, but maybe you'd like to look through and see if you can see any obvious omissions. I changed the one heading back because distribution was stubby by itself and habitat runs into behaviour in the next section. If you are Australian perhaps you can clear up whether Oedema or Edema it the appropriate Australian English spelling. Cheers, Yomangani talk 10:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Cheers - I keep putting oedema in, but it's been changed three or four times (wanted to make sure I wasn't forcing a British spelling on the Aussies). I was planning on renominating it next week. I think I've finished citing it now - it turned out to be a longer job than I expected, as a lot of the claims seem to have been copied verbatim from unreliable sources and there were a lot of repeated sections that either contradicted each other or made slightly different claims. I'll copyedit it and put it in for peer review later today.  Yomangani talk 10:47, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Looking back, I seem to have accidently reverted it myself at some point - at least I know which is correct now. Cheers, Yomangani talk 11:33, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I put it up for FA today - all supports so far. Cheers, Yomangani talk 23:59, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Amanita edibility list.
Looks great to me! I wish I knew more about the genus technically to be able to confirm the content, but as a quick guide it is quite useful. What about the red-link species that don't have icons? Unknown edibility? Debivort 07:30, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hehe - I know what a red link is. I was just asking, before you go public with the edibility list, would you want to indicate an edibility for the remaining red-linked species that don't currently have icons? Debivort 16:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Stegosaurus
Hi Cas!

I'm planning to send Stegosaurus to Featured Article candidacy. The article failed its first nomination, but, as you well know, we've been hard at work fixing stuff. I figured I'd drop you a line and see if there was anything you thought should be added/removed/cited on the article before it is sent to FAC. We definitely want it to pass! :)

Firsfron of Ronchester 19:24, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Cas, I dropped a few others notes as well, so if there are no objections, no changes that need to be made, I'll list it, but if there are objections, they can be fixed now. The article now appears to resemble FA Albertosaurus; three paragraphs in the intro, a description section of around 200 words, etc. If I can add another sentence to the description, I will. Happy editing, Firsfron of Ronchester  22:26, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, I didn't realize you were in the middle of your taxes! Yikes! Don't worry about digging stuff up; it sounds like you've got a lot on your plate. I'll... manage somehow... :) Firsfron of Ronchester  23:45, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I just picked up on your corvid edits - just out of idle curiousity, is there an agreed layout for bird articles? jimfbleak 12:52, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reply, just wondering what had inspired you. jimfbleak 12:58, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think there need to be hard-and-fast rules for headings; if there is anything I can do to help with Osprey, let me know. I've never been to Oz, but I understand that your crows are about as straightforward as the Empidonax flycatchers. jimfbleak 13:11, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll move the ssp and see waht happens. jimfbleak 06:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Dino collaboration....
Hi Cas. It's great to see you're carrying the batton onwards. Yes it does seem the dino crowd have gone, well, extinct (pun intended!). As you may know, that's why me & So have had an outing cause I was the only one to say so. Anyway, if you need any pointers on how to cope or start, please ask. I'll give you a few points here though:

First, make sure that all the voting is correct etc. You should be familiar with it by now, or maybe someone else is that you can ask to fix it. It's kinda hard to explain without creating it like I did. If a nomination's allotment of time to get votes is up, remove it & place the section on the Previous Collaborations page, somewhere towards the top of the collab page.

When choosing a new collab, you could be able to look in the page history to see the changes of what I did, but the main things are the template, the template on the community portal (a link to it can be found on the dino collab talk page), & the above mentioned Previous collaborations page. Then it's just a matter of placing the banner on the current article page & removing it from the previous one. That's about it. I hope you don't feel too overwhelmed. I quit cause I don't have time & it was too chore-like. It takes about 20-30 mins once you've done everuything a few times. Oh & don't forget to make the article's discussion subpage for article discussion.

IMHO however, I'd like to see the collaboratioin scrapped. Nobody participates anymore & it is very time consuming to maintain.

Thanks Cas.... Spawn Man 04:47, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure I quite get what your 2nd tier idea actually is, but I'm asuming that we go through the previous candidates turn them into FA's before we allow normal voting again? Or am I wrong? It kinda looks like you're making it a voting proccess, but shouldn't we just complete the articles from oldest to newest anyway? That way we clear off our back log & don't have to wait around for voters either. Thoughts?
 * For your question, just press edit on the collaboration page. Scroll down to the bottom & you'll see a template that says, Dinosaur collaboration, or something like that. Click on the link & it takes you to the template. Don't forget to change the template on the community portal, to which there is a link on the collaboration talk page. And also don't forget to remove the template from the old winner's article & place it on the new article winner. Thanks a bunch! You're doing great... Spawn Man 00:19, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

"Weird Al" Yankovic FA Nomination
Thank you for your support! ~ Gromreaper 10:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Stegosaurus
nomination away! :) Feel free to support or oppose. Firsfron of Ronchester  00:41, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm practically holding my breath... :)  Firsfron of Ronchester  21:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Bolete questions
Hi Cas Liber- I just created Leccinum aurantiacum and wanted to run it by someone who's done more of this stuff. I lifted the text/code from Suillus luteus and modified it. Is that a standard format for mushroom articles, do you know? I have a couple questions/requests for confirmation or condemnation:
 * In the taxobox, my inclination is to depart from italicizing Latin names as they are not in the body of the article. I've noticed a mixture of italics and normal in other taxoboxes.
 * For the common name, I bolded it and capitalized the first word for its first occurrence, then left it all lower case and normal text later.
 * I'm not in love with how my fractions rendered (too small on my screen) but I couldn't get any other formatting option I found to work.
 * Wondering if there's concensus regarding English (metric) measurement format on en.wikipedia; I used what I've seen as standard in other publications.
 * Also noted that S. luteus page has family as Boletaceae, which disagrees with info on the Boletaceae page--should we change it to Suillaceae?

Thanks in advance for any input--answer me here if you want. -Eric (talk) 20:39, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Cas Liber- If I want to talk to you about a certain article and keep the conversation on the article's talk page, is there any mechanism or trick that will draw your attention to it, or do I have to edit your talk page and ask you to watch the article page? For example, I think it would be cool if in addition to my signature, I could add code that would automatically generate a signal specific users that I've posted, in case they're not already watching the page. -Eric (talk) 16:16, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

B. serrata photo
Nice. Interesting to see the uneven flowering. Any idea why? Hesperian 03:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * probably a shelter position I've seen here when photographing, the northern side or area that receives the most sun opens first. Gnangarra 03:52, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

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Barnstar alert!


Thanks for the Cavalry award! And I'm glad to see our "partners in featured crime" got awards, too! This was a great collaborative efffort, and, even though it took quite a bit longer than we thought it would, I'm really happy with the final results. Thanks again for all your help, Cas! :) Firsfron of Ronchester  20:16, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Stegosaurus and the Cavalry
Thank you for the Cavalry award, very much appreciated. I would also like to extend my congratulations on Stegosaurus making featured article status. If you would ever like me to assist with any more articles, just ask, I would be happy to do all I can. The best, Mark t young 00:10, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks for the Cavalry award. Cheers. ArthurWeasley 16:37, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Nominating
Replied on Talk:Banksia integrifolia. Sorry, should have told you, but I thought you'd see it. Hesperian 01:50, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Collaboration
Alright alright, no pressure on me! Well I've contemplated what dino to support, & although it's a stinking sauropod, Diplodocus is the best of the bunch. I can't wait until we get all of those articles featured... :) Spawn Man 02:38, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * How did you know? Have you been going through my sock drawer?! ;) Spawn Man 02:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks like there's consensus on which dinosaur article we're collaborating on... Firsfron of Ronchester  19:07, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * My first thought was (humorously) "Yes Brian, we're all individual!"....but I was inclined this way WRT what was already Featured and what would suit as a different one etc. Cas Liber 19:10, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Who is Brian? Firsfron of Ronchester  19:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Famous quote from Monty Python's Life of Brian where he addresses a crowd and tells them all to be individual to which they all chorus as one.............(the above quote). cheers Cas Liber 19:15, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, understood. :) Firsfron of Ronchester  19:22, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

mycomorphbox efforts
Hi Casliber - I'm back to trying to get mycomorphboxes onto most of the current mushroom species pages. I figure if we get the templates onto a strong majority of pages, then new pages will be very likely to have them when made by other contributors. So far, every appropriate page listed in the A-G sections of Category:Basidiomycetes page has one. H-Z and then ascomycetes! Let me know if you have time to help. But either way, I should have the list completed fairly soon. Debivort 23:37, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I've revamped the mycomorphbox - it now reads vertically, and can take secondary parameters. Take a look, I'd appreciate your thoughts. Debivort 07:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Update: I've stuck a mycomorphbox onto all appropriate mushroom pages in the and  lists. I think ,  and  are the next sets to look at if you are interested. Shouldn't be all that many left now. Debivort 08:10, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Dino Collaboration:
Hey Cas! Well at least Diplodocus is up there for now. What's the next move? Wait until Diplodocus becomes a FAC, or until you feel its had enough editing? Seeing as how the current list needs to be rounded off, I think the first option would be better. Anyway, may I ask why 2 someone has added Iguanodon & Gigantosaurus to the collaboration list if we're only doing past collaboration articles? They either need to be removed, or left if I'm missing some new rule. Thanks Cas. Spawn Man 03:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Unicerosaurus
Hey Cas!

I'm trying to pull together a decent article for "Unicerosaurus", and there's really nothing available on-line, as far as I can tell. Since you're a whiz at old languages, is at least a translation of the name possible? I know nothing of Latin or Greek. Any ideas? (My uneducated guess is "One horn lizard", but would prefer to have confirmation of this before I go sticking it in an article). Firsfron of Ronchester 06:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


 * ok - try that. cheers, Cas Liber 06:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You're fast! (Also, I'm rather surprised I was right). Anyway, thanks! Firsfron of Ronchester  07:02, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Parrot Toadstool DYK nom
Is there any chance you could clarify which pigment actually is responsible for the mushroom's colour? The hook seems kind of odd when neither it nor the article contain the information. GeeJo (t)⁄(c) &bull; 12:14, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Invite
HI Cas thanks, I've responded via e-mail Gnangarra 08:38, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * cheers - got it and replied :)Cas Liber 08:46, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

'srooms
I've noticed that all your fungi articles are under the scientific name rather than the common name. See WikiProject_Tree_of_Life (because I just know somebody is going to come along and move them all at some point, I want to save you the pain). Cheers, Yomangani talk 17:42, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I would have thought Truffle would be quite an easy one too. The Fly Agaric looks like it could be brought up to standard fairly easily, but it is very bitty at the moment, particularly the similar species, religion, and popular culture sections. If you pick one to work on, let me know and I'll help out. Yomangani talk 23:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Banksia epica
Hi Cas, Hesperian thinks that this article may not on your watch list, since it appears that this is likely to run at FA shortly we'd appreciate any input you may have. Gnangarra 07:17, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

You helped choose Cactus as this week's WP:AID winner
MER-C 03:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

spam links on mushroom pages
Hey Cas - what do you think of the links that have done by this IP:84.145.181.32? His/her recent changes are here:. They seem like spam to me, especially since they are not English pages.

Thoughts? Debivort 17:52, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Hypsilophodon
Hey Cas!

I know you're on wikibreak right now, but I wanted to ask you something. No hurry, I guess. You recently uploaded It's a great image: very sharp, very clear, and not too dark. However, those poles in the photo are a little distracting. I feel the image would be so much better if they were removed. I would like to ask your permission to Photoshop the image to remove the poles. Would you allow me to do so? No problem if you say no, of course. Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester  09:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)