User talk:Casliber/Archive 21

New article
Hello again, I have recently dropped my previous article, Biodistribution, and am now working on Musculoskeletal system. Upon research there is more information regarding this new article.--Dondevoy01 (talk) 14:11, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

In need of assistance
Hello Casliber, I saw that you were interested in biological studies and am currently engaged in a project to raise a stub article to GA ( hoping for FA) statis. Incase you are interested please take a look -> Biodistribution. I have found some stuff on it as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dondevoy01 (talk • contribs) 14:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Attachment theory peer review
How are the frontal lobes doing? Fainites barley 21:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sleep deprived and head cold. Only doingmindless things. Thx for reminder. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:00, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Attachment theory
Peer review/Attachment theory/archive1. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 18:28, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

aharon42 new user. adoption
Hi, I saw that you are willing to adopt newbies. I looked over your userpage and I think I really like your eclectic interests. I am starting medical school this coming year after completing research I am doing so I have a whole year to become an experienced WP editor. I would like to learn the basics and even after reading the WP introduction, some things are still not clear so I would really appreciate a mentor to help me through the gray areas. With respect.aharon42 (talk) 05:52, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * OK aharon42, ask away with whatever you have trouble with and I will see how I can help. Happy to help/mentor etc. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:06, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'll read up on those pages. Also, I would be very happy to intern with you and do any scut work or research for any of your WP articles so that I can gain experience (Just like I do in the ER already!). I was also going to read your archives and look over edits so that we will be on the same page. You know watch one, do one, teach one.. I am at the watch stage of course. Thanks again.aharon42 (talk) 08:41, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the lead. I will get working on it over the next couple of days. Should I respond here or should we just communicate in one place (Is this crosstalk?) I have seen editors follow both practices. And I love whales and dolphins. I think I have watched every video ever made about them! I would love to write and article about a specific species with you as a more advanced project when I am more skilled.aharon42 (talk) 15:00, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I will also read your lessons to Arjun so you don't have to teach the same thing twice. May I contact him and offer to collaborate with him? I am learning Hindi and am very interested in Indian culture.aharon42 (talk) 15:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know of any offhand. Thanks for looking. I'll keep working on that other article you mentioned. Thanks.aharon42 (talk) 15:45, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I took a look at the mallard article and I tried to reference the the first book listed there. The premade template link that you sent me to does not show me how to make a refernce for two authors. I am going to make the reference for one author and then maybe you can show how to do it correctly?? with respectaharon42 (talk) 10:42, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I tried to put in the reference, but I believe that its a chapter or article in a larger book and once again, I dont see that kind of template so I have been defeated, at least temporalily. Any suggestions? aharon42 (talk) 10:50, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) - I looked through your contributions - did you proceed with the edits or did you just look at preview. I will give you an example at this duck genus. I often just slot them into the first author tag to avoid too much fuss. Give me a minute. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:24, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

OK, you watching? Like this - see my formatting, illustrating what you do with this, showing the diffs is often very helpful. So note that I can replace the 'first=, last=' with plain old author= and then stuff all the authors in the one category. Different editors do different things so no problem, some like those two sections. Do you follow it? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:34, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

X-ray specs
I've made another tweak to the uContribs tool. I've run it for yourself - updated numbers, plus the addition of analysis of your Wikipedia-space contribs. (Theoretically, this will be any-space) The notable feature of this is that the program can consolidate your edit counts into "families" - a family being defined as everything before the first slash (/). This gives a little further look into the user activities outside of article space.

All my new software is almost certainly wrong, so prizes for figuring out where it's gone awry. Of course, I already know it works perfectly! (NB there's a little whiffle with total edit count at the "Family" table, so that doesn't count!) Additional comments and suggestions are welcome. Franamax (talk) 01:38, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Aha! Allowed me to check and rerate templates. Fascinating, especially a slew of FAs I helped way down the list. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:05, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * For the record, I tweaked the class rating of the templates so there should be no conflicts (can't tweak the importances but nevermind), if that is worth checking. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:21, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Schizophrenia FAR
Schizophrenia has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 05:21, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * What a gem. Can't be bothered with janitorial work (right, that's what I'm for, because I have all the free time in the world), then introduces MoS breaches and reverts me when I correct them, then removes messages from his talk so you can't communicate with him.  I guess the world revolves around his needs and the rest of us are just here to clean up.  I'm going to unwatch since I'm absolutely certain you can deal with it.  In all your free time, ha !  So much for the MDD FAC.  Sheesh.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 06:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I realize it's been a delicate balancing act, but sheesh; there is WP:UNDUE all over that article. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 05:18, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Which particular bit are you worried about? I will see what I can do. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:49, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * "Issues and controversies", "Violence" (OR, should rely on one real review rather than stringing together primary studies), "Alternative approaches", "Defining recovery". I suspect a lot of that relies on primary studies and is OR rather than a due weight representation of what secondary reviews say.  I'm not going to fuss, as I don't have time to research, but I think that stuff is what is chunking up the article size and it looks like attempts to keep fringe editors happy.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 05:57, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Fringe is interesting, had alot of "fun" addressing more extreme stuff fairly regularly. What's left I am not hugely fussed about as there are some valid points there. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * OK. I'm not inclined to fuss over a non-compliant-with-MoS list with an editor who submits a perfectly fine FA to FAR either :-) I think I'll just let that one go; it's really not worth it to fuss over a good FA with someone who has never significantly edited any article, might not understand FA standards, and doesn't appear to know much about MoS either.  Someday, Tony will see that list and fix it. I still think Violence is sending up  whitewash red flags, but I've always thought that.  It would be good to find what one, solid secondary review has to say, rather than stringing together a lot of primary studies. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 19:33, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * FWIW it is a much debated topic in psychiatry with differing opinions...and hard to predict. I suspect that as a controversial topic, it will end up at FAR again sometime in the next 12-18 months when someone else is unhappy with it. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:10, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I wish those people would take a gander at Unreviewed featured articles and pick on the real problems instead of a fine article :-) Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 20:13, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thnaks for the link. Interesting. Now there is some fun hapening at Major depressive disorder, but I need to take teh dog for a walk first I think...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:24, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

A Sydney Meetup
G'day all - I'm dropping this note in to let you know that there's to be a Wiki Meetup the week after next, on Tuesday, 21st at 18:00 at The Paragon in Circular Quay. If you've ever thought about popping along to one of these, but haven't had the chance - now's the time! If you love the idea, but the time and / or place don't quite work for you, please do feel free to wiki edit away at the meetup page and I'm sure we can sort something out :-) Meetups are a great way to share wiki-thoughts, meet wiki-friends, and generally learn how to prefix all areas of your life with wiki- :-)

It's a very friendly bunch, and we're hoping to be able to formally collect membership fees and details for the Australian Chapter (did you know that we're the only current english speaking chapter? Join now for kudos and future bragging rights!) - as well as just generally have a good 'ol time. I look forward to seeing you there :-) best, Privatemusings (talk) 07:48, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Schizophrenia
I hope you are able to review my last edit at schizophrenia; I've added a picture from Flickr from the house of someone who shows typical features of schizophrenia. Please review the images on Flickr and let me know what you think. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:02, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd appreciate your insights here: Talk:Schizophrenia. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 13:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Birds October newsletter
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Horsey stuff
Cas, I saw this issue mentioned on Lar's talk page; you're the Australian horsey guy :-) Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 02:00, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * (groan) I can't actually ride a horse, so my knowledge on the equipment is meagre at best....will take a look if I have time. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:21, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Holidays
Thanks, we just had a week on the Isles of Scilly, no new birds for my British list, but Little Bunting, American Golden Plover and Red-eyed Vireo were good. The first Alder Flycatcher for Britain was in Cornwall for the two days before we returned to the mainland, but we missed it by a day, and had to settle for a Rosy Starling. Morocco next, Bald Ibis is the main bird plus assorted larks and wheatears. I'm useless at bird photography, so don't hold your breath! I've stopped doing FAs for the time being because I think you have to allow a month for the process. Good luck, jimfbleak (talk) 13:42, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, having limited time to address stuff is not prudent...I am still bogged down with Major depressive disorder, but was interested in Australian Magpie as it is magpie swooping season here. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:45, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * PS: Loved the food in Morocco, Fez has the best souk/medina I have seen in hte middle east, but OMG the hassling!!! Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:47, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks,but
Thanks for placing Nebraska in the American Civil War on DYK, but I also nominated Alice Springs Reptile Centre.-- Gen. Bedford his Forest 16:20, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, will fix. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:20, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks.-- Gen. Bedford his Forest 23:31, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Cheese trees
I was inspecting the hooks at April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know, and I notice that there needs to be a source that states that the species is called cheese trees. I'm sure that you have a RS for something so basic.

I guess this was my first time looking at your userpage. I didn't know that you were an Aussie, or that Anon Dissident was one either. I love knowing that I have friends all over the world. I do the Great Midwest Trivia Contest, and I once had a player help in a chatroom from your country/continent. The man's accent was interesting and I'm sure that he felt our "Ya der hey" accent was "interesting". The sleep time-warp thing was very advantageous to us. Cheers!  Royal broil  03:03, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the cosmopolitan aspect is cool, just sucks that it is most likely one won't meet most of them IRL ever, but anyway...back to the topic, the first sentence in the Taxonomy_and_naming section I thought covered it. That ref could be duplicated to the lead, no biggie. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:15, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Major depressive disorder
Yep, the article's looking pretty good, and I should be around. Feel free to let me know when you're ready--I'll also keep checking the talk page. Cosmic Latte (talk) 07:08, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Dipor Bil
Hi! Casliber, Thanks for accepting my DYK hook--Nvvchar (talk) 16:04, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Copyedit
Hello, would you like to copyedit The Other Woman for its FAC? Thanks, – thedemonhog   talk •  edits  00:37, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Cripes, bad timing but I will see what I can do. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:44, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Are you free to copyedit Meet Kevin Johnson for its FAC? Thank you, – thedemonhog   talk  •  edits  22:21, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Erks. even worse timing. Not sure if I can...but. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:27, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Tiger article edit
Hi Casliber,

I've made a few edits to the tiger article recently, but I'm not sure if one of my edits is allowed. In order to lend credence to the claim that unrelated tigers may sometimes be observed feasting on the same prey animal (despite being primarily solitary), I quoted a paragraph from one of my sources, describing a gathering of nine tigers at a single location. I'm still not entirely sure what's allowed with regards to copyright - is quoting a paragraph from a source without obtaining permission from the author first okay (I did reference the quote)? If it isn't, I'll delete it, no worries.

(I originally posted this question in the tiger talk page, but it didn't receive any responses).

Cheers Alphard08 (talk) 04:24, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Help!
Gosh Casliber, I've really done it this time, and desperately need your help. After the exchange about JayHenry's attorney I gave Ceoil a template as a joke. Joking in kind, Ceoil left some obscenities in an edit summary to me. Unfortunately a passing admin User:Tanthalas39 (a good admin, I might add. Under normal circumstances we want admins who defend content contributors from attacks.  It just so happened that this was a joke, not an attack, but the difference is hard to pick up on without knowing the history) gave Ceoil a block. I explained and Tanthalas quickly unblocked, but Ceoil was justifiably upset. You know how block logs are on this project. I know I'd be angry to get blocked as part of a misunderstanding. Anyway, Ceoil lashed out a bit, again justifiably. Yet another passing admin, User:MaxSem, gave a 72 hour block. I feel ill. It was just a joke that spiraled out of control, as can only happen on Wiki. MaxSem appears to have left on a short wiki break. I'm at a loss what to do. Ceoil, as you probably know, is one of the project's absolute best contributors, who doesn't deserve to be blocked for my joke gone awry, certainly not for 72 hours. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. There's an ANI thread as well, where I've made this plea. --JayHenry (talk) 20:50, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, Cas, it may be a good time to shut down that thread ... I'm afraid even if unintended, How Do You Turn This On's posts seem to be rubbing salt in Ceoil's wounds, and we don't need another issue. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 01:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

50K limit?
Cas, I saw your note on the FAC page about 51Kb being over the limit for FAC. That surprised me -- I don't recall an upper limit. Can you point me at where this is written down? I had a quick look at WP:FACR and didn't see anything there. This section of WP:SIZE seems to indicate 100K is really the upper limit for all articles, but perhaps whatever you're referring to is specific to FA? Mike Christie (talk) 13:05, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, using Dr PDA's size tool, there is a readable prose section, which for this article comes out to 52k as opposed to 130 odd kb for the whole shebang. Sandy has quoted it, but I can't remember where the original discussion or consensus was...have ta ask methinks...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:21, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Mike at WP:SIZE, you have to look at readable prose rather than overall size. It has to do with (supposedly) average reader attention span being around 10,000 words max.  That page has been around for as long as I have, and was scrutinized during that "Extra-long article committee" deletion debacle.  Specific to WIAFA: SIZE is a MoS guideline that falls under Crit. 2, but it's frequently ignored by most reviewers (well, many reviewers frequently ignore a lot of things ... when I was reviewing, I always opposed articles above about 60KB, and I think everything above more or less 11,000 words should be FARC'd or should use better summary style, since I can't load them even on a fast connection).  For some size data, see WP:FCDW/October 13, 2008. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 16:34, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

FA-Team new mission
Hi Casliber, You've probably noticed that the FA-Team has just launched a mission to help WikiProject AP Biology 2008 and WikiProject North of the Rio Grande improve articles towards featured quality. As one with biological skills :-), I'm hoping you would like to join in and support a few articles from one or both of the projects. If so, please add your name to the articles you are watchlisting on the mission page. Thanks, Geometry guy 20:02, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

For your eyes only
I was mulling a follow-up, but the only thing that came to my mind again and again is the following horrible but great but horrible joke I first heard on Harald Schmidt years ago. There are not many places left for me to go to in order to make new enemies, but I'm confident some may take issue at this.

A guy walks into a butcher shop and orders "Half a pound of liverwurst — but from the chunky, fatty one, please." Says the butcher: "I'm sorry, she's off to vocational school today."

Everyme 14:10, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Is he like a german Andrew Dice Clay or something? I found him funny, but was he serious....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:22, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Categorisation of dermatology articles on Wikipedia, input wanted
Hey. has asked me to ask around a few people to get their opinions on the current catagorisation tree proposed at this discussion, as he seems rather eager to get going with the work but would like a few more opinions. Any chance you could have a quick look and post your thoughts? Cheers. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 15:22, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Rainbow Lorikeet split
How is the split going down? I am going to be in Vanuatu in March next year and that species is there, so I will try and get a photo of that subspecies, but it would be especially important to get a photo if it is a split species now. And yes, I'll be getting lots of other images too. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  00:12, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Heck, need to read up on it first! My guess would be v. likely, so photos are good. We need some photos for the Category:Arses too....I just stubbed Frill-necked Monarch...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:18, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No Arses in Vanuatu. Try Tom (Aviceda), there are some in Queensland, and if he doesn't have any his photo group might. I have been in email contact with an ornithologist that has been ringing in New Guinea for 20 years and has offered me images. I need to make sure that he is happy with Wiki compatible licences but that would be a major boost even if many are in the hand. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  02:27, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Arses telescop(h)thalmus
Nevertheless, Ares telescopthalmus for HBW, Howard & Moore, Avibase and the Commission INternationale pour les Noms Français d'Oiseaux. Arses telescophthalmus only in Clements ! Best regards. Jo WARNIER (talk) 14:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)(Jo WARNIER)

Peer review on Satanic Ritual Abuse
Hello,

I noticed your name here.

have requested a peer-review on Satanic Ritual Abuse. I would be much interested if you could present your views on the present state of the article. Here:

Peer review/Satanic ritual abuse/archive1

Thank you,

—Cesar Tort 20:02, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * There's a section on Dissociative Identity Disorder in the SRA article about which you might want to tell us your opinion in the peer-review page, if possible. Cheers, Cesar Tort 05:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Template Substitution
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Tropicbirds
Yeah, I have been more or less trying to figure out the Federal Reserve's reserves in the last 2 weeks or so ;-) As the only other guys in Phaethontiformes would be Prophaethontidae, there is presently nothing to suggest against a merge. It ought to be de-merged eventually, but that I would postpone until we have a fix on where the while lineage actually does belong.

Maybe 5 years from now or so ;-)

So yeah, a merge would be in order I guess. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 23:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Attachment therapy
Could I bore you with a request for another quick peek? Fainites barley 23:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Will see what I can do. Bit busy for a few days, saw the latest exchanges. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Fainites barley 13:49, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Major depressive disorder - efficacy of treatment
I'll have a think about it later if I get some time. This isn't a subject I know anything about so can only comment from the pov of a new reader. I think the article should give the reader some idea of what is achievable by the two main therapies and also what happens anyway (the natural course of the disease -- you usually get better). There's also the effect of combining the two therapies. Perhaps comment on effectiveness can be better covered within the two treatment sections rather than in a third. Explaining early on what NICE, for example, regard as clinically useful, would help the reader know what is meant by "improved". I believe encyclopaedic articles should prefer to mention the facts rather than the research behind the facts, unless that research is particularly interesting or notable, or if the limitations of the research help the reader understand the limitations of the confidence behind those facts. The recent meta analyses do seem to be notable and the comments made in one seems to have stirred debate. Am I right here, or is this nothing new? Is it possible to confidently state something on the efficacy, or is it too controversial? If the limited effectiveness of the treatment is a point of controversy, then we would be wrong to be silent and give the impression that both therapies are very effective. This is just a quick brain dump. I'll try to write something later more coherent on the FAC or talk page. Colin°Talk 09:40, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Synapse illustration
I wouldn't have figured that it'd need a source, given that it's pretty basic neuroscience, but I went ahead and added this: "For further information on the image's contents, see, e.g., Julien, R. M. (2005). The neuron, synaptic transmission, and neurotransmitters. In R. M. Julien, A primer of drug action: A comprehensive guide to the actions, uses, and side effects of psychoactive drugs (pp. 60-88)." New York, NY, USA: Worth Publishers." This is my first time editing in the commons, so I'm not completely sure if I did that right, but I hope it's okay. Cosmic Latte (talk) 14:07, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Nice one. I'd leave out the 'e.g.' though. We'll see if that is enough. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:03, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

RfA
Hi Casliber! Thank you very much for your support in my RfA, which passed yesterday. I hope not to let you and the others down, and use the tools for the benefit of the project. Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 22:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

A shroom I can love
Tuber (genus). Only for making money. Not for eating!!!! Orange Marlin Talk• Contributions 23:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Happy Halloween!
As Halloween is my favorite holiday, I just wanted to wish those Wikipedians who have been nice enough to give me a barnstar or smile at me, supportive enough to agree with me, etc., a Happy Halloween! Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 21:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

can I twist your arm?
I can't be the first to swing by here and wonder if you might be entreated to put your hand up for arbcom? Heck, I might've even pestered you before about this, 'cos it's certainly not the first time the thought crossed my mind!

You'd be outstanding in my opinion, and I think you'd contribute a great deal. If burnout's an issue, then run a wiki-mile, but if you're feeling pretty cool about the whole place, then please please please! - give it some thought anywhoo.... :-) cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 22:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Possibly. Let me think about it; I am just revelling in a nice cool day after a few stinky humid days....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Gosh. Light at the end of a very dark tunnel.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 22:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll say, I hate humidity, and Sydney summers are...often keep an eye on cooler palces like New Zealand and Tasmania and Antarctica....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Heh Cas - move to Canada ;) 19 today but SNOW earlier this week. I strongly endorse the above suggestion, fwiw, and urge you to consider this. Eusebeus (talk) 23:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * alright already! Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:37, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Good for you! MDO looks good btw, especially given the complexity of the topic. You and the other principals deserve a lot of credit. Eusebeus (talk) 19:48, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * here goes nothing...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:16, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Lost Tomb of Martek
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 * yep, I saw - it has a reference, needs copywritten material addressed. removed prod.Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Ghost Legends of Indiana
Ghost Legends of Indiana was a co-nom by myself and Bruce1ee, but I didn't get nom credit. Would you mind doing me the honors? Thanks.-- Gen. Bedford his Forest 05:41, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Oops, sorry, I guess I forgot to add you, Bedford, when I added your nom to the next update. – RyanCross (talk ) 05:49, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Religion ref in MDD article
What's your opinion about referencing the (currently-referenced) primary study--as well as the secondary study noted immediately afterwards, for that matter--regarding religiousness in the MDD article? I've been agonizing over this, because so many people (including, I presume, the majority of folks who'll read the article) are religious in one way or another, and so they might like to have this sort of information. I respect your opinions enough that I'm willing to defer to your views on this. Cosmic Latte (talk) 22:29, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I have thouht about it and am inclined to leave it in for the reasons you mention above. Big topic in psychiatry (i.e. schizm or ignorance of religion). Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:47, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Flaming joel-wiki - you missed one!
Is it me, or have you overlooked RJHall, nominator of Earth? ;) &mdash;  Ceran  → ( Talk ) (email) 22:32, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Crap. Don't remember, I will have a look later. I thought I did but it was a while ago, did you chekc his archives? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:46, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, yea. Looks like a miss. Sorry for troubling you, I didn't know if I could actually do it myself, and didn't really think it was a case of boldness... &mdash;  Ceran  → ( Talk ) (email) 23:04, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * s'fine. Yes, you can be bold in future, I dont own the joel-wiki :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:10, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Beer thirty


Dude, you need a beer for your FAC on Major depressive disorder that seems to be getting more fun by the minute. This is about all I appear to be able to do right now. I seem to be zealous enough to work on topics I'm a bit removed from; depression is not one of those topics. Stay strong. You're an excellent article writer. --Moni3 (talk) 03:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Heh, need something a bit stronger than that! (Deep breath...Calm blue ocean, Calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean....) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:19, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Morocco
Surprisingly, no hassle at all, even in the souk of Marrakech. This was a fairly laid back trip, since the birds are largely the same as in southern Europe (although often different ssp). Ten new species for me though, and four others which I'd not seen in the western Palaeoarctic before. 129 species in total seen. Like I said, I'm no bird photographer, and my few feeble efforts aren't as good as the existing images. I've added a photo to Houbara Bustard, which didn't have one. The endangered Northern Bald Ibis was seen every day (apart from the last three when we were in the Atlas Mountains) in numbers ranging from 25 to 86 per day, and feeding flocks would come quite close if you got ahead of them and then kept still. Cold in the mountains at night (snow on the high tops), but a wood stove was lit in our room every afternoon. jimfbleak (talk) 13:23, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Went through, stayed three nights at La Bergerie a bit further on from Asni, near Ourigane. An Interesting road! jimfbleak (talk) 13:28, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Elting Memorial Library DYK
For some reason, this was accidentally credited to Otherleft with New Paltz (village), New York, as the new article. Just letting you know. Daniel Case (talk) 15:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Medical Smartness
Hi, saw you on adoption page, know you're busy, but I'm a newbie, would like to save Lisa Masson; can you help? Webwinnow (talk) 00:22, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

heads up
The discussion at WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2008/November will impact you. Hesperian 00:38, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Star of life
Do not give up. You are doing an amaizing job with depression. Lets hope its enough. Best regards



Unwanted advice
Deep breaths, gritted teeth and fixed smile. If that doesn't work, try a primal scream. Fainites barley 19:24, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks both of you :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:20, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Marking interruptions
Hi Casliber! Did you see my concern about the major depression FAC discussion being difficult to follow? I'm wondering if you could start using the interrupted template when you write something in the middle of another editors reply (like here)? I understand that this takes a some of your time away from actually addressing the issues raised, but it would really help someone like me, who is trying to follow the discussion and hopefully have something to say. Thank you for all the great work on this article! /skagedal... 12:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, I will try that in about five minutes once I have stuck in some refs for the 2nd last of Vassyana' points. Good call. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:44, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * PS: How was that? I tried to stick in a few. I am knackered! It is 1am here and I need to sleep (thunk) (sound of head hitting keyboard...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz)


 * Thank you, I really appreciate it! Hope you have a very good sleep! /skagedal... 14:09, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Efficacy section in MDD
Just wondering what you think about my suggestion here to trim the section--either that, or perhaps eliminating the section entirely, so that it can be reserved for Treatment for depression and receive due expansion there? Cosmic Latte (talk) 10:06, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Wollstonecraft and Shelley material added to talk page
I hope that the material I added on Wollstonecraft and Shelley won't make you tear out your hair. See, they are right on the cusp of the melancholia/depression switchover. Think of it as an "opportunity". :) Awadewit (talk) 16:41, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Interesting article
See this. I usually don't think in such psychological terms, but it's an interesting concept. Curious what you think. MastCell Talk 18:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hehehe, fairly standard practice in consultation-liaison psychiatry to use the availability of various items - physican availibility, an escalating assortment of medication for insomnia/pain/anxiety etc. in this way, the "don't worry, if X happens we can do Y", a sorta cloak of security. Not seen it written WRT attachment theory before, but nice to link it to a theoretical framework - can also link it to psychodynamic ideas too really WRT a secure frame (of availability) a la big Don Winnicott's Holding environment. Lotsa cool ways to look at things in psych. I thoroughly recommend Games People Play for a good read on relating to patients - easy to read and humrous at the same time, Becoming Attached by Robert Karen is a fantastic book as well which is a great introduction to attachment theory and written in clear english which is a pleasure to read so anyone can read it.


 * Attachment theory kicks arse :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:30, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll look at Games People Play. My approach to the physician-patient relationship is more based on The House of God, but maybe there's room to learn something new. :) MastCell Talk 22:50, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Although actually, my favorite take on psychoanalysis is What Do You Hear In These Sounds, by Dar Williams. Spend the $0.99 on iTunes - I think you'll appreciate it. MastCell Talk 22:55, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * OK then, House of God was fun when I was a med student/intern I must admit...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:57, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject: Dungeons & Dragons
Hi! I’ve been working on a lot of ‘’Dungeons & Dragons’’ articles lately and saw that you've edited some too, and am inviting you to join Wikipedia’s D&D group. I've been hard at work removing tags placed inappropriately on D&D articles, as well as modifying articles to remove tags that were placed legitimately. In addition, I have been compiling related articles together so that the articles are longer, making it easier to remove tags and to have short articles on lesser topics by just putting it into another appropriate article (links to such compiled articles can be found on my userpage). Check out the project here, and ask any questions that you may have here. Thank you for your time. Drilnoth (talk) 21:08, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Little Pied Cormorant
Regarding your DYK nom of Little Pied Cormorant...is the verification for the hook (that the eggs are covered in lime) given at ? I just wanted to check, because it's unclear to me (because of the placement of the ref in the main article). Thanks, &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 23:19, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, that actually references the whole paragraph. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:29, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

MDD FAC
Perhaps the three-initial acronyms are to be the end of me at FAC. I sense that some of the frustration is arising from the length of time it is taking for issues to be addressed, and in the meantime, more issues arise (for example, the prose deterioration that was introduced today is troubling to me (for example, Rating scales is now such a jumble of clauses, out of order, and confusing that I expect Tony would have something), and it's all still there). I think getting on issues quickly would be helpful, as the FAC page is mushrooming. How did you find time to write a DYK today ? Sandy Georgia (Talk) 02:58, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The DYK was a pleasant diversion, which this page is less of. The good thing is most of the subclauses can go to daughter pages, which I have just done with Hamilton and will do with others. What I was wondering now was what happened to the comorbid section as I was sure those things were cited before and the inlines seem to have disappeared (??) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That's why I'm now worried more about this article than earlier in the FAC: I left a link on the article talk page of what the Comorbid section looked like coming in to FAC, and it's been reduced to something that's problematic in terms of 1) prose, 2) comprehensiveness, and 3) focus (it's straying off topic now, and doesn't cover the basics of comorbidity and depression).  And comorbidity in depression isn't a hard topic to research, there is so much to be said about it, sources are easy to come by, yet it's been reduced to some hard-to-parse phrases about people and their backgrounds.  Look back at the link to the pre-FAC text I left on talk: the section was clear (albeit a bit brief, IMO).  I'm not sure, but it seems like some editors may be basing edits on article abstracts only, rather than accessing full text.  I don't know if those cite tags are warranted:  if I had better journal access, I might be more able to help.  Maybe you need to ask Eubulides or Tim Vickers to come in, as they have good journal access ?  From a FAC point of view, the FAC is such a Dog's Dinner that it's hard to tell what is addressed and what isn't, but each time I go back to the article to check, I find more jumbled prose.  And based on RCC experience, a restart isn't effective to clear things up until/unless reviewing editors understand that they need to manage the FAC page differently.  I wonder if this is an indication of why we have so few FAs in the psychology realm: what a jumble!  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 04:20, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Little Pied Cormorant
Hi Casliber... I see you have been improving the Little Pied Cormorant page and inter alia have adopted the Microcarbo genus name. I haven't reverted it, because I see you are basing this on a new and reliable source (which I don't have), but as you no doubt know Phalacrocoracine taxonomy is even more of a mess than most groups and we have been struggling with it on the Cormorant family page. So I wonder if you could hold your horses before doing any more genus changing in the family, while we seek consensus? It would be highly desirable if the genus names on individual species pages continued to reflect the ones used on the family page. For the moment there we are sticking to a single genus Phalacrocorax, though that is certainly not immutable - I and others who have wrestled with this lot would certainly welcome continuing discussion not to mention the introduction of recent research results. Thanks. seglea (talk) 19:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, to make matters even more fun, the same book (Christidis and Boles 2008) also has Phalacrocoraciformes listed as the order name, with Pelicans placed in Ciconiiformes, and the whale-billed stork as close relative (to pelicans). It gives a good summary of teh recent developments taxonomically and which studies support what. I would love to get involved but am just going through a rather hefty featured article debate on Major depressive disorder..maybe in a few weeks.Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:50, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'm in favour of giving this one time... It would be good to get some of our taxonomy experts involved too so we can establish a consensus way forward before we start changing anything.  But I don't have time at the moment either.  seglea (talk) 20:59, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Maslow image in MDD article
Do you think that the image of Maslow's hierarchy of needs should be kept in the article? Is it too tangential/bulky/hard to read, or is it of limited relevance (as Skagedal suggested about a larger version that I'd added earlier), or is it a useful illustration? Cosmic Latte (talk) 14:28, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It is a bit off-topic, but OTOH I know the difficulties finding images. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 18:47, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Semi-protection request
Hi Casliber. Would you please assist by semi-protecting Confucianism? There are daily depredations, and it's been going on far too long: mostly anonymous tinkerings without edit summaries. The fact that some of these look vaguely plausible makes them more insidious than vandalism of the four-letter-word genus.

– ⊥¡ɐɔıʇǝo N  oetica! T– 02:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. ping me after three months and if it continues then I will make it indefinite. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:15, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. I'll continue to watch over the article, and I'll keep you informed as necessary.
 * Best wishes.
 * – ⊥¡ɐɔıʇǝo N  oetica! T– 03:41, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

ah go on :-)
I'm hoping the one on the left will go into the one on the right. :-) Privatemusings (talk) 03:36, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Took me a few hours to get that joke...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:49, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * and a few more to think about it! - I'm very pleased you've stuck your hand up, and hope it all goes smoothly, no matter what the result.... :-) cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 02:34, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Birds November newsletter
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Thank you
Thank you very much for your support in my RfA, which closed as successful a few hours ago. The backing of major content contributors such as yourself and Hesperian is particularly flattering, and enough to drive me to read up on banksias. So thanks again, and feel free to stop by with any advice or gentle pushing in the right direction along the way. Euryalus (talk) 11:30, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Ska
Thanks for the tangently related Shane Meadows link, but, erm this is ska. Be more correct, man ;) Ceoil  sláinte 22:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * If you want something nice to look at, have a look at this dish. Oh Mercy. Ceoil  sláinte 22:25, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, would never have taken you for a cramps guy! You have hidden depts; or should that be hidden shallow spots! Either way, any band that can build a career out of being even more basic and cartoonish than the Ramones is ok in my book. Ceoil  sláinte 22:30, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Iggy Pop? grungy pub? front row? 1988? I'm not worthy.......Hail Casliber..... Ceoil  sláinte 22:45, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Dead Kennedys? The odd thing is that I used to really believe in that. I only care these days about this. As you get aulder you hair goes grey, then falls out, then girls call you mr, then open doors for you, next thing you know...spat. Ceoil  sláinte 02:27, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * (DKs are quite fun too, loved too drunk to fuck) My other half likes that song, and I don't. Her prerequisite is intelligent lyrics and (most often) an indy/guitar sound, which I make fun of, OTOH she writes of my taste in decerebrate chantlike monotony, that one of hwich I regarda s one of the best songs of all time. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:36, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * O Casliber, I can only imagine how annoying a partner with a taste for "intelligent lyrics" can be be. Poor, poor you! If nobody else, at least us guys on the internet have sympathy. Anyway, cant think of any other hardcoreband at this hour so here is a random sketch from the fr ted guys.. Ceoil  sláinte 04:15, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Found this on my travels, an 1810 painting by Caspar David Friedrich. The article is titled "The Depths of Despair, as Plumbed by Artists", a very flippant title, and demeaning to Friedrich. The other images in the article I don't care for, but The Monk by the Sea is really somethinig. Ceoil  sláinte 06:02, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahaaa, very interesting! Nice photo painting...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:15, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Cas, re; you mean she listens with her brain, you listen with your.... Ceoil <font color="E45E05">sláinte 00:21, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * He he; sorry if I offended you delicate sensibilities, you dirty fecker! Ceoil  <font color="E45E05">sláinte 02:08, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I can never remember if its yesterday or tomorrow in Oz, but if its tomorrow there now, here is a nice sunday morning tune for you.  Ceoil  <font color="E45E05">sláinte 02:12, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * this should cheer you up!. Ceoil  <font color="E45E05">sláinte 04:44, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

MDD updates
A couple things you might want to have a look at: 1) I completely reworded the existentialism section, so hopefully now it has clearer clinical relevance, and it also refers only to psychologists; and 2) I found a review about bullying and added it to Talk:Major_depressive_disorder. Cosmic Latte (talk) 14:22, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Opinion requested
Hey Casliber, would you care to weigh in at WP:ANI? Thanks,  Grsz  11   →Review!  22:25, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Comprehensive articles
We are planning to get British India up to featured status. Details on the peer review are on the talk page. =Nichalp  «Talk»=  13:52, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Art, depression, melancholia, and beauty
An article I thought you might find interesting. A bit superficial, as it is a review, but fun nonetheless. Awadewit (talk) 20:44, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Ceoil had just pointed it out to me above, I like it, especially the Monk by the sea painting. We don't use the "chin resting on hand" sign clinically...but amusing nonetheless :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:05, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Editor review
Just so you know, I've put myself up for editor review here. Because you've been familiar with my work for several months now--in fact, you're probably more familiar with it than anyone else is, because you're the principal editor of the MDD article, which is where most of my WikiEnergy (is that a word?) has gone--your feedback would be most useful and most appreciated, if you have a moment. Thanks, Cosmic Latte (talk) 23:43, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! Much appreciated. Cosmic Latte (talk) 02:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Dispatch interview
Per this discussion, I'm hoping you'll be interested in being interviewed for the Dispatch, to be published in the Signpost within a few weeks. I started a temp page at FCDW/WBFAN. Usually, the format is that interviewees drop in some text and Tony1 or Jbmurray copyedit, but I suspect that we won't need copyediting and trimming here, so I see it as more of a pick and choose, narrowing down responses only if needed. The goal is to highlight your work, and to guide, inspire and motivate other writers. If you're interested, dig in ! If not, just leave a note on the talk page of that temp page and I'll remove you. I'll tentatively aim for the November 24th Signpost. Thanks, Sandy Georgia (Talk) 01:48, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Fine by me. Drop in text....where? Or wait for questions? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:30, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It's at FCDW/WBFAN; dig in :-) When it's ready for publication, I'll move it to regular Dispatch page. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 02:31, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Queries at Wikipedia talk:FCDW/WBFAN; images and the Danish journal article link. Best, Sandy Georgia (Talk) 19:09, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Arbcom Election Questions et al
Good morning. I've posted the list of general questions for all candidates at your Questions for the Candidate page, found here. You also have one individual question to answer; I imagine there will be more, we look to be question-heavy this time around. If you have any questions, please feel free to ping my talk page. Good luck with your candidacy, UltraExactZZ Claims~ Evidence 14:21, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Your candidacy
I have often felt that ArbCom required the services of a psychiatrist, though perhaps not quite so literally. :) Good luck. MastCell Talk 20:02, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hehehe. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

A year or so later and I need the admin bit
Would you be so kind as to undelete Image:SteinbeckCortez.jpg? It was replaced in The Log from the Sea of Cortez by a no doubt well-meaning editor, but unfortunately the new image (aside from already being in the article) is of an earlier, different book. Cheers, Yomangani talk 02:29, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks like BL beat me to it :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:37, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed, thanks for the Monkey Magic. Yomangani talk 02:45, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * pass me my magic cloud and faithful priest sidekick...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:52, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't bring out the nasty headband. Oh mosta... do stop it.... it hurts..... YellowMonkey  ( click here to choose Australia's next top model ) 03:37, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think he got the joke - no sense of humour...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:40, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

DRV on Shirley the Loon
The deletion of that article is being discussed, and I appreciate your input. FMAFan1990 (talk) 02:33, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Music
I'm bringing the war directly to you:. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:37, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't need this pressure on! Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:31, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Review
Now that MDD has quietened somewhat, can you finish your review of Attachment therapy please. Fainites barley 08:36, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

How about - when it stops being so bloody noisy in here!!!!  Fainites barley 18:07, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

graphic request
Hi Cas, Sorry for flaking out and not getting back to you. I've started a new job IRL running a lab and have much free time now than I did in the spring/summer. I should probably mark that I am on a wikibreak, as I am mostly logging in to make sure that a bunch of pages that are on my watchlist but not many other people's don't get trashed. Best regards. de Bivort 18:54, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That's cool. Good luck with your job..Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:05, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Twilight (2008 film)
Not quite a good Zombie movie, but it's getting good press here in the US of A. Hopefully, it's better than that crappy HBO series that I won't mention! Orange Marlin Talk• Contributions 17:50, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Paraphrasing
Did you want to try rephrasing some of the existential paragraph in MDD, so that it doesn't rely so heavily on quotations? In my estimation, Rollo May writes so eloquently that it'd be difficult to paraphrase his words without diminishing them, but I'd have no problem if you'd like to give it a try. Cosmic Latte (talk) 14:33, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I did but I found that he phrased it rather well and found it difficult to capture the meaning so succicntly. It is late here and I need to sleep, but I have just found this nice review article to replace a a Sadock ref and I am digesting the fulltext..Let me think on May. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:44, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar
Thanks for the barnstar, and for getting me 'hooked' on DYK! Let me know if you'd be up for a fungal-related collaboration sometime. Sasata (talk) 16:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Redlink in Isla_Nublar
Hi Casliber! I think I have seen you work on plant related articles in the past (sorry if I am confused), but anyway, I noticed in that section a red link for West Indian Lilac. It does get a number of Google book hits, so do you think it is worth starting an article or would I be better off redirecting it somewhere and if so, where might be a good place? Best, --A NobodyMy talk 20:21, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Peer review
Any help would be appreciated here. Libro0 (talk) 20:36, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment on Gavin.collins
Hello. :) Could you please comment here on the latest outbreak of activity from Gavin.collins? Thank you. BOZ (talk) 21:26, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Alastair Haines situation
Hi Casliber- I read your note on AH's talk page and I thought I'd attempt to provide some insight into my thoughts that I may not have provided on his talk page. The first block was placed solely because he violated his arbcom editing restrictions. To characterize what happened before the block as an argument is not entirely accurate: he was close to violating his arbcom sanctions, I warned both him and the other edit warrer with exactly the same warning. He responded with a statement something along the lines of 'this is none of your business, I'm not edit warring but everyone else is' (I'm paraphrasing here, I don't remember what exactly he said) I replied something along the lines of 'actually, that's not correct'. After that I walked away and waited to see what he would do and... lo and behold, he ignored my warning and reverted. Per his arbcom sanctions he is confined to one revert per page per week, and the diffs clearly show that he violated this. Thus, I blocked him for 48 hours. That's when the circus began of him removing my statements and replacing them with misquotations out of context. Somewhat bewildered, I went out and found an uninvolved admin with whom I've never before had any major interactions (so AH couldn't say it was just a buddy of mine- although he did anyway) and asked him to review the block- which he did and agreed with me about the correctness of the block. He decided, after some rather bad behavior on AH's part, to lock the talk page and extend the block. While I do support transparency and the idea that admins are not above other editors and don't really have the right to boss others around- I would strongly suggest that for the sake of your own sanity you not get involved. This is a very messy situation that seems to operate much like a black hole- it sucks everything in and all you're left with is bad feelings all around. You are free, of course, to ignore my advice since it's only that, advice, but... <font face="Georgia"><font color="#3c3c3c">L'Aquatique <font color="#5c9e83">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva"><font color="#5c9e83">talk  ] 22:21, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * (sigh/groan) I know - i was also going to look at the context of events leading up to it too as well, WRT editing that accursed page...I can see both sides and acknowledge your explanation as I too would have asked someone...gotta run.Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:29, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

British India
Hi! Thanks for the suggestion on British India. My earlier post actually referred to your reply to my comment that confused you on WT:FAC. I immediately pinged you, and would have made sense at that moment, but since it was awhile that you logged in, you probably missed the connection. I need to work on clarifying my posts. Thanks for looking into it. :) =Nichalp   «Talk»=  14:55, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Horce race
Heh, didn't know you were running for the AC too. It's really turning a bit into the U.S. Democratic caucuses, no? Everybody longs for change in the AC, and there are many excellent change candidates. And my tactical voting plan gets more complicated by the hour, thanks for that. Anyway, good luck in the horse race and see you around. 78.34.157.179 (talk) 19:36, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hehehe, we'll see what happens ;) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:53, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

FYI
It looks like no one notified you re: this. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 22:14, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Editor review, part 2
Thanks for the additional comments. Your advice is sound, and I'll do my best to heed it. You might also want to have a look at Mattisse's review, as she mentioned you in it. Cosmic Latte (talk) 06:07, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Typos
Re: – thank you for correcting my typos, it is appreciated! :-) /<tt>skagedal</tt>... 11:15, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * No problems, we just have to be really careful not to change meanings. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks
<font face="Trebuchet MS">design by neurolysis | to add this barnstar to your awards page, simply copy and paste and remove this bottom text | if you don't like thankspam, please accept my sincere apologies

Cooper's Hawk
Greetings. The article Cooper's Hawk is no longer being edited by Peace Maker as part of the WikiProject AP Biology 2008. I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. Hopefully, this will not discourage you from continuing your participation in other such projects. I've encountered a steady stream of students who have opted for "Scholastic Attrition". Those that remain should represent a very dedicated group. Respectfully. --JimmyButler (talk) 14:52, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * no problem. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 17:29, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Banksia serrata type specimen
I'm reading Richard Fortey's Dry Storeroom No. 1: The Secret Life of the Natural History Museum, and I noticed that he includes a colour plate of the Banksia serrata type specimen. It's a picture of an old book, open, with the left hand side showing the pressed and dried type specimen, and the right hand side showing an illustration of it. Is this something you can justify fair use for, and use in an article? If so, let me know and I can scan it for you. Mike Christie (talk) 16:15, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * thanks for the offer, but I think I have an illustration of B. serrata type specimen in another book as well (popular subject :)) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 17:33, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I should have guessed you'd have everything there was on the topic! -- Mike Christie (talk) 17:36, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * yeah, pretty much XD Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 17:39, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Straw poll on whether I should remove the cheers bit from my sig
Dear all, as it is often customary to end a talkpage entry with some sort of "cheers", "regards", "sincerely" or "yours faithfully", I appended "cheers" onto my sig as in 95/100 cases I was ahving to type out the damn thing or something similar, and I would rather the impression of a positive tone more often than less often. Now, Mattisse has a problem with it, so I will stick up a straw poll here to see what/if anyone else cares. If there is a majority saying I should remove it I will - I will end this poll the first time I log on in December. As far as whether this is serious? Yes, if a majority says remove, I will remove:

Keep

 * 1) .Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 18:00, 26 November 2008 (UTC) (actually this usage is the only other annoying time :) )
 * 2) I like that we all use a variety of different pleasantries. In any event, I find niceties as a good thing and way of defusing hostility.  I would never be annoyed by even a little gesture of being nice, courteous, and respectful.  Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 18:09, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Do you know, I thought you typed the damn thing out every time. I'd miss it if it went. (Shouldn't these sections be marked "Cheers" and "Boos" ?) Fainites barley 18:57, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Seriously, this really shouldn't even have to be a straw poll. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  20:00, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Hesperian 03:16, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Cosmic Latte (talk) 03:48, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) Cheers, Melburnian (talk) 05:48, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) Arrggghhh another straw pole or is that poll, either way I "!vote" " vote " "subscribe" approve of straws, cheers Gnangarra 06:00, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Remove ( retitled 'Keep so as to impress the editors you sanction in Arbcom with your cheeriness' by Mattisse)

 * 1) .&mdash; Mattisse (Talk) 19:57, 26 November 2008 (UTC) - I prefer the personal touch rather than the impersonal, automatic "Cheers" built in to Casliber's signature, as it is a meaningless automatism. Is it that hard to personalize a signature?   A built-in "Cheers" is in no way personal to the comment Casliber is making or the person to whom  he is making it. I can just see the "Cheers" on his signature as he votes to sanction an editor in ArbCom!
 * 2) - Kittybrewster  <font color="0000FF">&#9742;  15:27, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Neutral

 * 1) Change to G'day, mate! Strong Neutral. I very strongly feel that this is entirely up to you. I like it though! Cheerio, <tt>skagedal</tt>... 21:00, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Jack Merridew (communicated by email and explained) - fyi, I don't have 'Cheers, ' in my sig code; I just often type it. It is a conscious choice each time.

Happy Thanksgiving!


I just wanted to wish those Wikipedians who have been nice enough to give me a barnstar or smile at me, supportive enough to agree with me, etc., a Happy Thanksgiving! Sincerely, --Happy Thanksgiving! Sincerely, A NobodyMy talk 02:53, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

No hard feelings, I hope
Hey, I hope that you won't take my criticism of your fivecrat proposal personally. For better or worse, I seem to have stepped into the role of 'designated desysopping proposal critic' lately, and I hope that my comments won't discourage you from future policy proposals. Not everyone is going to be as glass-half-empty as I am. :D Cheers! TenOfAllTrades(talk) 15:46, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * No, that's fine - that is what is meant to happen, though it has been a while since I proposed something which was so thoroughly poked with holes and pulled apart so quickly about 80-90% of which I agreed with (the criticism that is). Essentially, I believe I should be able to justify every action I take, and am more than happy for others to pull me up and question me on anything. I do that at work to. So this is exactly the sort of discussion that is needed. :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:13, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Fungus collaboration
I'm no expert either, but I like to do research! Count me in for a collaboration. Sasata (talk) 16:21, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Feedback?
Hello! I have set up Editor review/A Nobody should you wish to comment. Please note that I am notifying a handful of experienced editors who are familiar with me as I am particularly interested in anything they have to add. If you do not wish to comment, that is fine too. All the best! Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 21:18, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Joke for today
By the way, here's one you might appreciate. Why did they invite the mushroom to the party? Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 21:18, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Erm...why? (wouldn't want to spoil the fun by googling the answer) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:19, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Because he was a fungi/fun guy! :)  Best, --A NobodyMy talk 15:14, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Amanita muscaria
I'm not very fond of the Santa section, its a bit soft and "In pop culture" like. And the image is tacky x 0.999999999999… There is a huge amount of excellent trippy art out there, this is just a very diluted and second hand mass market version. Thoughts? Ceoil (talk) 10:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I know you're sorta cool to 'em, and I will have to chuck unreferenced stuff. I did the bulk of it in '06 I think. I am starting to come round to the idea of culling some....Pop culture aside, how do you think the rest reads? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:26, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * PS: Some good trippy art'd be kinda fun...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:27, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it reads very well. To be honest I'm slow to ce, as its difficult for a lay person to know if by rephrasing you are changing the intended meaning. But its a great article, well structured, accessible and engaging. Its interesting you mentioned Fairy rings, I grew up terrified of the things. If you walked into one, the Banshee wouldn't be far behind! Ceoil (talk) 10:58, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you see this? Oh man, I want to shake the hand of however created the cat "fictional troublemakers"! He he he... Ceoil (talk) 07:01, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Good Lord
Livid? Sorry, very sorry, about that! I'll stick further earned encomia for you here. Eusebeus (talk) 20:00, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Nah, nevermind. all my own doing. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:25, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

AN/I Notice
Hello,. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding the dispute between the Dungeons & Dragons WikiProject and Gavin.collins. Thank you. -- BOZ (talk) 18:35, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

This year's ACE
Wow. I had no idea until a few days back you were running for arbitration. You sure as hell have a vote from me. Glad to see you're doing well too, you deserve it. Just don't drop out of WP:MED ;) —Matt (talk · contribs · email) 23:14, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep; one of the things I have said several times is that I feel there should be enough time for arbs to contribute and muck in to other areas of the 'pedia. This is good for all-round morale and keeps them familiar with the community at large. We need to foster positive relationships outside the WP:RFARB arena. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:25, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Glad to hear it, best of luck. —Matt (talk · contribs · email) 23:48, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps there's a good reason
Hey Cas, there's an editor who never signs his posts on my talk page and till now it kind of gets up my nose. But I've just noticed that you're in the Category:Wikipedians who have opted out of automatic signing. So perhaps there are some reasonable and good grounds for not signing posts; and perhaps I'll open my mind to that possibility. Are there any? - <font style="color:black;background:white;">Sticks <font style="color:white;background:red;">66 03:48, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Talk page stalker here. I don't know of a good reason to not sign posts.  There are a few (very few) Wikipedians whose signature doesn't include a link to their page (any of them) and even fewer (I know only one) who does not have a timestamp on their signature.  Those folks are able to do that because the actual record of their posting is in the history and the signature is a commonly extended convenience.  However, your talk page is your talk page.  If you rely on that commonly extended convenience and an editor refuses to extend it you have a relatively wide latitude in editing their posts in order to suit you.  So long as your edit can't be construed as changing the meaning of their post and you are doing it for what would appear to be a good reason, you are usually ok--this means you can add unsigned (remember to substitute it!) to their posts, roll their posts back (though this is within your rights most users consider it pretty rude) or (lowest impact) simply ask them to not post on your talk page.
 * Opting out of automatic signing is a different matter entirely. I opt out of it in order to stop sinebot from edit conflicting with me when I go back to sign my posts. :) Really!  I also find it convenient to append comments to my old ones without fear that some garish "you didn't sign this" message appearing.  Can't speak for Casilber, but those are my thoughts. Protonk (talk) 04:05, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Protonk sums it up well WRT etiquette; the reason I opted out of it was I got frustrated when reviewing an article for FA or GA, and I would often rapid-fire posts with point after point and a signature when I was done at the end - then I got edit-conflited when I tried to amend something. 05:19, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Worth what it's for.
I gotcha. Really, I was a total dick there, and I owe you an apology. I'd say "good luck", but at this point, I don't think it's a matter of "luck" anymore - it's pretty much safe to say you're going to be a busy man indeed for the next three years ;) Badger Drink (talk) 06:48, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Pointy-ness
Taking this to calmer waters here. Can you see how your initial "10 to 3" comment at least apppeared pointy? It seemed to call into question Will's motivations in making the unblock. This may not have been your intent, but it certainly was a legitimate perception of what you wrote. S. D. D.J.Jameson 13:57, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I can. OK, do you feel that the following posts made it clear? I will post a note on WJB's talk before sleeping. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:01, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it clarified it quite a bit. If I may, what was the point of your initial "10 to 3" note? I do think a note to Will is a good idea as well. S. D. D.J.Jameson 14:25, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

BLP cases
If you're searching for cases related, I think two of the more important are the Badlydrawnjeff case and the Footnoted quotes case. Footnoted quotes isn't really about BLP content, but it established the "special enforcement" provisions that relate specifically to BLP. The Matthew Hoffman case also wasn't directly about BLPs, but it did get into how we deal with BLP-like problems involving editors and administrators who edit with their real names. Fair amount of interesting discussion in the workshop and on the proposed decision talkpage, although you'll have to wade through neck-deep crap to find it.

Going through the closed cases page, here are some links:


 * Requests_for_arbitration/Sarah_Palin_protection_wheel_war (wheel war on the protection of a high profile BLP)
 * Requests_for_arbitration/Footnoted_quotes (special enforcement provisions)
 * Requests_for_arbitration/Bluemarine (The subject of the case was also the subject of a BLP, Bluemarine edited the article about him almost exclusively and the issues discussed related to his conduct and the leeway given to an article subject)
 * Requests_for_arbitration/Privatemusings (only tangentially related to BLP, mostly "conduct on BLPs" and no new principles that I'm aware of)
 * Requests_for_arbitration/Jeffrey_Vernon_Merkey (same basic issue as Bluemarine, subject of a BLP editing Wikipedia)
 * Requests_for_arbitration/Badlydrawnjeff (prohibits admins from undeleting content removed as violating BLP without full discussion with deleting administrator)
 * Requests_for_arbitration/Daniel_Brandt_deletion_wheel_war (More internal drama than anything else, but is specifically about the deletion of a BLP)

Those I think are the big cases that deal with BLPs in 2008 and 2007. I'm sure I'm missing one or two, but if you look into them I'm sure any major principles articulated are cited to previous cases if they aren't new. I didn't follow arbitration prior to 2007, and the descriptions aren't very in depth, so I'm not completely sure which if any of the pre-2007 cases apply. I don't recall any being major factors in the above decisions. <strong style="color:#000;border:0px solid #000">Avruch <strong style="color:#000;border:0px solid #000"> T 00:34, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that, much appreciated. My free time is frustratingly evaporating ATM...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:27, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Vampire
An astute observation about vampires in movies: "I Vant To Upend Your Expectations". --JayHenry (talk) 14:09, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Nice little read that, need to keep it up me sleeve for those befanged daughter articles was gonna get round to doing for a featured topic sometime...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:25, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * An even better one: A Vampire's Life? It's Really Draining. --JayHenry (talk) 04:05, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Gawd, gotta get 'round to making all teh befanged stuff a Featured Topic at some stage, a more immediate one is critters in my garden what make drive my dog crazy and make him bark at 5AM...Laughing Kookaburra, Rainbow Lorikeet, Willie Wagtail (FA), Brown Rat (in neighbour's compost bin), Superb Fairy-wren (we..ell, they don't make him bark but they should be included for all-round cuteness)....the first two species have tunnelled a hole in my 6m high date palm and littered the patio with crap. Stupid pooch wants to catch them...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:16, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Greek proofing on Wikisource
Hi Cas,

Would you mind bringing your knowledge of Greek to bear on these three Wikisource pages for me please:, , ? It should only take five minutes I think. If you've got a Wikisource or unified account, you can correct any errors you find; else you can let me know and I'll fix them.

Hesperian 02:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Much obliged. Hesperian 06:37, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Easy peasy you say... nearly all of the yellow pages on this work contain Greek. s:la:Liber:De assensione Stoici quid senserint.djvu. If you could verify even a few of them, especially p.20, that would be fantastic. John Vandenberg (chat) 15:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You did a good job on p. 20, only one accent switch. I'll have a look later. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:23, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, we have a category for them now on English Wikisource: s:Category:Pages with missing Greek characters. The ones in the "Page:" namespace are accompanied by pagescans; the EB1911 pages usually have a link to the pagescan on the talk page. Cheers, John Vandenberg (chat) 23:59, 27 November 2008 (UTC)