User talk:Casliber/Archive 28

Peer review for book Brainwashing: The Science of Thought Control
I put the article about the book Brainwashing: The Science of Thought Control up for peer review. Input would be appreciated, at Wikipedia:Peer review/Brainwashing: The Science of Thought Control/archive1. Hope you are doing well, thought you might be interested in this article and subject matter. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 01:54, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Interesting - will take a look in a bit. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:35, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Cirt (talk) 14:34, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Archaeopteryx lithographica
Hi, Cas;

It turned out that at least the first paragraph of Archaeopteryx lithographica is a slightly modified rip from Roger Tory Peterson's The Birds (try "This may have been one of the thecodonts" on Google Books"), so I have elected to redirect it now. The second paragraph (which has nothing to do with Archaeopteryx) may be a more heavily edited rip from the same source. J. Spencer (talk) 03:48, 4 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I was planning to do that sometime. I couldn't imagine that the smaller page had anything on it that the FA didn't (just hadn't got round to comparing as yet). Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:05, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

The Chinese Restaurant
Hi, would you be kind enough to support again on my "The Chinese Restaurant" article? It was archived way to early :S. The article has been copy-edited twice since your conditional support, so perhaps you could fully support now? Thank you.-- Music 26/  11  19:13, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

FYI

 * Watch this space!
 * [|antecedent] -- consensus for me specifically to produce an article (about 10 days before my wedding).
 * I don't need to ask you to recuse yourself; but it's all the more important if it goes sideways, because worst case scenario would be subpoenaing you to give evidence regarding a NSW resident who had opinions regarding me personally, both before and after various discussions here at Wiki.
 * Since I was recently published in the US as a religious expert, though, there are also options I'd like to avoid like formal processes regarding whether Wiki can be classed as a service provider, if it has and exercises powers to restrict protected speech, like widely recognised religious points of view.
 * The best thing I can do to protect Wiki and keep peace is pray that cool, wise heads consign what should be a content issue back to the content basket. It's beneath the level of serious consideration.
 * I trust ArbCom to finally defend me. However, if they don't, and these repeated unsupportable challenges against my professionalism as a writer are permitted to be published, I have no choice but to defend myself.
 * Sorry to alert you to this in public, but at least it clearly indicates to any interested parties why you cannot comment publically. Alastair Haines (talk) 03:24, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * (groan)..oh dear.. :/ Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:42, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * It's OK mate, common sense prevailed, and quickly! I'm rather impressed. Relax friend, I think it might be all over for good at last.
 * Butterflies, here I come! :) Alastair Haines (talk) 12:37, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

thanks for the introduction and further comments on schizophrenia
Thanks - the first five years following my diagnosis i spent actively resarching what schizophrenia meant. it was first coined as 'the schizophrenias' by a humanist doctor as it was previously referred to as s kind of dementia - however it has assumed many negative connotations since. the link between autism and schizophrenia is a promising one as you couldnt possibly get two more diametrically opposed labels in terms of public perception. Some of the original schizophrenias were hebophrenia - from the greek god hebes associated with onset in adolescence, apophenia meaning relating one unconnected thing with another etc etc , however the name has become homogenized over the recent years - there are of course links with previous hypotheses such as the bicameral mind and up and coming theories such as 'unfocussed semantic activation in the right hemisphere of the brain'. i have made a FOIA request to the bbc regarding which WHO ICD classification each criminal that a news story was reported on with a diagnosis of schizophrenia in the previous six months had and recieved the response that they could not disclose this due to patient confidentiality unless it was reported in the open courts which was highly unlikely. i have forwarded their response to the research and information compliance dpeartment of the courts to ask them to consider this. i belive the next ICD classification is due to be released in 2011/2012 and i intend to continue my campaign for the change of this damaging label till then. I am also a qualified social worker, registered unconditionally with the gscc and work part time as a web development consultant for the university of northumbria at newcastle. Where is the tilde on an apple mac keyboard?? §§§§ lol Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Darwinerasmus" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darwinerasmus (talk • contribs) 20:19, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I have worked in psychiatry for 16 years now, generally in the public sector here in Australia. It is true that the range of symptoms is vast - when expalining the condition, I inform people that the range I see is everything from people successful in work and relationships with infrequent relapses and low (or no) regular medication, to those tormented by severe thought disorder and/or hallucinations and unable to care for themsleves.


 * Name change is a vexed issue - has it been useful in cancer? Not sure....


 * I also am suspicious of the use of diagnoses in hte media, and the mushrooming use of 'psychotic' to mean 'bad'. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:32, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Found the tilde, it is 'alt n' on a mac keyboard Darwinerasmus (talk) 21:03, 6 December 2009 (UTC) so you agree that there is a 'spectrum' of schizophrenic disorder as there is an 'autistic spectrum disorder' i have done inreach work to psychiatric hospitals and witnessed patients that appear to have a combination of both autism and 'psychosis' symptoms - interesting to note that eugen bleuler coined both terms autism and schizophrenia. i have put a query to the royal college of psychiatrists that if mirtazapine is a successful treatment for autism is it also a successful treatment for schizophrenia. they may of course never answer that as it was through twitter. problem with schizophrenia is it implies schism or jekkyl and hyde and is surely seriously outmoded as a term. i will feed back if i get a response from the courts information compliance department ... and now off to fresh new pastures in wikipedia - thank bran the blessed for salycin. Darwinerasmus (talk) 21:03, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the concept of schizophrenia and milder cases therein are alot more cohesive than the autism vs autism spectrum but I am not a child psychiatrist. I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if the Royal College responded via twitter :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:18, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Im putting together some thoughts - and the latter parts are a bit haberdash - on what an 'Alternative Perception Spectrum' wiki might look like in a sandbox on my user page - i would appreciate your comments or the comments of any other wikipedian experts you may know when you have the time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Darwinerasmus Darwinerasmus (talk) 19:26, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Triple Crown
Thanks very much my fellow Australian :) Very nice surprise. Happy future editing!  Aaroncrick  (talk )  Review me! 07:53, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No probs :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:38, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Parrot papers
Hi, been away for a few days. Simply mail me (stupendemys at googlemail) and I'll send you the papers! Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 11:52, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the offer - another user kindly sent them to me. Fascinating reading, and might be actually good to really fix up the parrot article next...Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:57, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

RfA thankspam


Chorioactis
Hi Cas, this fungus will be my next FAC attempt. I'd appreciate it if you could take a quick look and let me know if there's any obvious deficiencies. I'm a bit worried that the description section may be too technical; I've tried to explain things as much as possible, but I've been looking at it for too long and it all makes sense to me :) On a similar note, wanna collaborate on Agaricus bisporus? It's on my to-do list, and I saw it on yours as well. Sasata (talk) 05:10, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, will look at that one, and yes, a collaboration on the common mushroom would be great. I like the idea of joint efforts to get the bigger meatier articles up to FA. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:19, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Cockatoo
Marvellous  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (Invincibles finally at Featured topic candidates) 22:20, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * thx ++ :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:24, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I can only nom one at a time, I have about 7 more just sitting there with the cleanup done to the same stage as some of hte others that passed this year....  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (Invincibles finally at Featured topic candidates) 23:54, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

RfA Thanks
MrKIA11 (talk) 12:39, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

D&D wikiproject
Come on by and see what's been going on lately. :) BOZ (talk) 20:33, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I just was reading it. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:34, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL, cool! BOZ (talk) 20:38, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Cockatoo
Nice job! I don't want my nitpicking to hold up the FAC, but am glad to see you made the distinction between cockatiel and cockatoo care...I do exotics rescue and while pet care is beyond the scope of any wiki article, alot of folks who do well with 'tiels don't do so well when they make the jump to keeping Molucans, Umbrellas, etc. Common names are never official either, so I wouldn't see a problem using the more common "Umbrella" as opposed to "White". In the pop-culture section, no mention of Serpico or Baretta? From what I've heard in the bird circles, Baretta in particular got alot of folks interested in Cockatoos as late as the 90's! (Every now and then I'll still hear someone referring to them as "Baretta Birds") Also Hitchcock used a Black Palm in an early movie as an "evil bird". They are definitely the rarest to come across in the states. Most of this is probably miniscule and like I said, I don't want it to hold up the FAC, I'll definitely lend my support to promoting it, though.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 01:37, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Only one painter? You aren't trying. Melchior d'Hondecoeter, Joseph Wright of Derby and Henry Stacy Marks did at least two each; Joseph Cornell and Jackson Pollack at least one (though whether you'd recognize theirs as cockatoos); and I'd be very surprised if they didn't appear in Aboriginal art. I'm sure I could think of some more if pushed. Yomangani talk 03:11, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the pop cult tips - if we can get RS's they are definitely going in !! Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:11, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * YW I'd help some more, but I'm 400 miles from home and getting my own FAC nom beaten up at the moment. Here is a source for Baretta's Triton Cockatoo (Greater Sulfur Crested) and Serpico's Umbrella (aka White Cockatoo) I'll try and find the Hitchcock source for the Black Palm.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 09:28, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Hmm...this will be very useful for buffing up the cultural section..Jakob Bogdani was looking very lonely...now off to wrap some presents. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:38, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


 * If I get a thrill from seeing three of our finest editors collaborating to build better articles, have I been on Wiki too long? Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 15:16, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe you should get a pet Cockatoo then :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:04, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * And the answer is yes. Yomangani talk 00:39, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

PS: Dammit, can't find a reference stating Marks painted oodles of paintings on cockatoos....and Pollocks, well it doesn't really look like a cockatoo..was in two minds about adding it. Cornell's stuff is great, though. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:04, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Start there - I might have a book on him I can dig out later (though of course it doesn't need a citation unless it is likely to be challenged. Go on, resist.). Yomangani talk 00:39, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * A few more: Julius Jacob the elder, Henry Bright, Georges Barbier, Jan Baptist van Fornenburgh (he's early for a European, fl.1620), Edward Lear, Andrea Mantegna (very early, c.1496) -> Andrea Mantegna 102.jpg Yomangani talk 12:30, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * And that picture of the Moluccan with its wings clipped is terrible. It looks like it's been through a lawn mower. Yomangani talk 18:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Wow, how on earth does Andrea Mantegna come across a Cockatoo???? Must add that somehow....Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:13, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

PPS: To Mike, I highly suspect shows like Serpico and Barretta contributed to the popularity of cockies as pets in the 1970s, but would need a ref for it. This is where I like seeing pop culutres influence on everydy life...Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:06, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

I only found one other print reference to Serpico but it was more of a comparison of Frank Serpico to Francis of Assisi in the Cockatoo scene, but that scene influenced Baretta. Fred in Baretta used to answer the phone, drink booze, etc. He was played by a bird smuggled into Hong Kong named Lala (he was smuggkled in a crate of chickens, hence the bird made chicken noises, too). Here's a source on that and popularity of Cockatoos afterward: If that's too "popish" here's a better one and a link to 1 of two pages in particular about demand for cockatoos increasing, and how most people can't care for them, etc: link to p165 on Google Books--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 22:02, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Banksia petiolaris
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ER
Oops... Didn't notice your review of me over at Editor Review - a belated thanks. Promise to review Cockatoo!  Aaroncrick  (talk )  Review me! 06:47, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Poking an angry bear.
I just read your comment at ANI about the Scott/someone-else-whose-name-I-can't-remember spat. Some admins seem to think that the best way to calm down the angry bear whose lunch they've just eaten is by poking it with a sharp stick. I just hope that none of them ever try this on a real bear. Best wishes, DuncanHill (talk) 23:51, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Raaaargh :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:54, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Question on FAC reviews
Having probably reviewed more of your FACs than anyone else's, I have a quick question on "appearances". When I'm reviewing a FAC, many of the changes I recommend are purely stylistic. It seems appropriate, since the quality of the prose is a requirement for an FA. But I'm not a professional writer, I have no training as a writer, I just follow Michael Rosenzweig's advice to use simple prose in the hope (and fear) that people will understand what you're saying. I was just wondering if my comments come off as overly pushy or something of the sort. Guettarda (talk) 14:46, 15 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I guess what I try to do is sounds as positive/upbeat/encouraging as possible. Basically, think "is there anything that needs improving?" as I read. Also, anywhere possible I try to substitute plain english for jargon except if meaning is compromised or distorted. Exact meaning as intended trumps that. Anyway, if a new user to FAC I might leave as a comment rather than oppose to keep the mood okay. If something has a couple of supports but really has some deal-breakers outstanding, I might use oppose and qualify with a note that it is a placeholder. Anyway, that's my 2c :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:37, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
Hi, Casliber. I'd like to thank you for your words on my behalf Here. Apparently it is practise to close the discussion before the subject gets to say anything on his own behalf? Just the least of the injustices done in this case, I think. Thank you for attempting to be a voice of reason there anyway. Regards. Dekkappai (talk) 19:32, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

A headsup to avoid a cock-up on cockies.

 * Stone the flamen crows, mate! D'ja mean that them bananabenders we call cockies, and that wipe out tropical forests up near Townsville and the like, are called 'cockies' because of some Malay origin? D'ja mean that all a' them 'true blue whitemen' on the land that Banjo P. wrote about are kanakas! Me knackers tremble at the thought. If you put that on wiki and some cockie reads it, he'll go for the big spit without even touching a shot of Bundaberg rum.
 * kakatúa, 'app. immed. through Dutch kaketoe; apparently influenced in form by cock. Several authorities say the name represents the call of the bird but see quot.1850.'
 * quote 1850 = Journal of the Indian Archipelago, IV., 183 'Cockatoo, Malay Kakatuwah-a vice, a gripe (sic.Nishidani), and also the name of the bird, no doubt referring to its powerful bill.' (Ref. Oxford English Dictionary, Clarendon Press, Oxford, 2nd ed. Vol.3, p.411 sub cockatoo'). Cheers Nishidani (talk) 10:16, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Just checked the source.
 * James Richardson Logan, The Journal of the Indian archipelago and Eastern Asia, Volume 4 (1850) Kraus Reprint 1970 p.183


 * Compare Jeremy Mynott, Birdscapes: Birds in Our Imagination and Experience, Princeton University Press, 2009 (ISBN 0691135398,) p.319, 'from the Malay ‘’kakatuwa’’, which means “vice,” a reference to the strength of the beak.’ Regards Nishidani (talk) 10:34, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

oops, goofed up there. thx. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:03, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * That's for that cheerful badge, Cas. Whatever, if I can be of help on those finely crafted articles you and your mates work up, don't hesitate to ask. Asking me to thumb a book I'm known to have is 'no wucken furries', or politely, no skin off my prepuce, timewise. Best.Nishidani (talk) 14:38, 16 December 2009 (UTC)



Cryptothecia rubrocincta
Hi Cas, any chance you could add a Latin etymology to this yuletide lichen article? Thanks! Sasata (talk) 17:25, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:07, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Hilarious
 I was staring at the screen earlier this morning trying to think what should go into a "uses" section. While drinking my coffee... Guettarda (talk) 20:55, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I know. Ditto, and i was/am trying to cut down on my coffee consumption. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:30, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Sadly, without coffee I wouldn't be coherent enough to get myself out the house in the morning. Cut back on coffee and I'd have to, I don't know, sleep more or something.  Guettarda (talk) 22:59, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

OK, done. Now the hard part - coming up with a usable DYK hook. Interested? Guettarda (talk) 23:27, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Hell yeah...i was thinking something along the lines of ....DYK that the family rubiaceae contains the plants from which we get coffee, quinine, ipecac, and (indirectly) warfarin? Weird.....but essentially somesuch hook which lists a few whacky plants or plant products. Not sure how widely Guettarda speciosa}beach gardenia is grown... :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:31, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

PS: this has some other notable spp. to investigate. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:35, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm, yeah. The presence of myrmecophils keeps coming up...  Guettarda (talk) 23:50, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I know, I so wanna grow an antplant...just not sure if it is a tad too cold in sydney...Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:55, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


 * In that case I suppose you were especially crushed to discover that GW was all a hoax? If it hadn't been for those pesky hackers you could have been growing true tropical plants in you back yard by the time the kids got out of school... :)  Guettarda (talk) 06:08, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

The way I feel today (40C and high humidity)...I was hoping for another mini-ice age like 1400-1850....Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:43, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


 * That sounds like summer around here! In the summer the wind feel like air off a blast furnace.  In winter it strips the skin off your hands.  If it wasn't for the tornadoes there'd be nothing good to say about Oklahoma weather...oh wait...  Guettarda (talk) 06:48, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

We-ell, I am making a hedge of these in my new front garden, and have a tough decision between this and this somewhere out back. I was told the latter smell much nicer than the former...Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:54, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

cockatoo refs
I can certainly help with the second one - but it is Friday night and I am about to go out for drinks so it'll have to wait till tomorrow. I don't understand the first one. You are asking for a ref that explicitly states that the name Cacatuidae is derived from Cacatua? I will check HANZAB in the library but I doubt it will be there, it strikes me as something of a "well duh" kind of thing. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  03:32, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


 * No no, both being derived from the original malay word kakatua, is what I meant. Have fun drinking :) Casliber (talk · contribs)
 * Oh, right. Yeah I can check, but the best source is a book in the library that specialises in bird names. I'll check them both. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  03:38, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I have the info on the name. Both the sources I checked, which includes HANZAB Vol 4 pg 127, state that the name of the genus is from the malay name katatua (or kakak-tua, from kakatuwah, a vice). HANZAB also says that "However, according to Viellot (1817 Nouv. Dict. Hist. Nat. 17:6) the name is derived from the cries of white cockatoos". Sabine's Sunbird   talk  02:37, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:40, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Heeelp?
Hi Casliber, I saw your name on "Wikipedia administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles" and I am trying to recreate the article John Lyons (horse trainer) but apparently a previous version was deleted and I am having admin trouble slapping a speedy tag on it literally three seconds after I recreated it. Can you either save this from the "prod police" or toss me a copy of the deleted version so I can see what the problem was with the original? I'm not in the guy's cult or anything, he's just one of the natural horsemanship practitioners who needs a basic bio. Thanks. Montanabw (talk) 07:28, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Looking for mentor
Hey, I'm looking for a wikimentor and I saw your name on the list of adopters and so was wondering if you could be my wikimentor. I don't particularly need too much help, but I only started 2 weeks ago and it would just be handy to have someone to be able to answer questions I have about wikipedia, in particular about wikitext. I understand if you are unable to adopt at this time or have any other problems though. Thanks, F orenti talk  09:02, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


 * ask away. I will be glad to answer some questions, or point me to articles you want to write about. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:11, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. Also, should I ask the questions right here in this topic or somewhere else like on my userpage, because, just as a warning, eventually the questions will pile up... Anyway, first question, say I respond to a topic on my talkpage, will the person be alerted that I responded and if so, how? F orenti talk  10:37, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keeping conversations on the one page is a good thing. Most people won't be alerted automatically but will have kept an eye on changes of pages on their watchlist. If they don't, there is a templat you can use. Like this: Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:42, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahhh, I see now, thanks. On to the next question, about my userpage. Firstly, for future reference I am currently working on it in my sandbox. I've posted the question before, but haven't gotten a response yet so here it is:
 * I am currently building my new userpage in my Sandbox. So far it is extremely complicated (to me) and I barely understand the formatting. If you go to the Sandbox, you can see my first sentence doesn't actually go to the end of the space. I was wondering if anyone could fix this, or even slightly simplify my page, because I know it can be a lot simpler and I've spent hours trying to fix this small problem.
 * For some reason, the text looks fine on Firefox, however on IE the text only goes to a certain point on the page and then goes to a new line. I'm not sure how it looks i other people's browsers, so any help would be good. F orenti talk  11:53, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I am useless at formatting and layout stuff. This user is good at it - User talk:Jack Merridew. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:56, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok. I'm really bad at formatting and layout too. So this guy wouldn't mind if I just posted this problem on his talk page? F orenti talk  12:12, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Tell him I sent you there :) - he's also watching this page too - you know about the watchlist, right? Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:59, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You rang? Cheers, Jack Merridew 01:08, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes The "Wendy James" Wiki has a INDEFINITE lock placed on it...Is Wikipedia Joking ????
Hi,

I noted you said that the Wendy James wiki could now be contributed to..

(Which I have complained it badly needs new contributions...)

Well I have looked into it..

After several mails to me from people wanting to contribute to it since I started writing there..

THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED...!?!?!

And there has been an INDEFINITE lock placed on it since JULY 2009 by "Brendon"...

JULY 2009...

It says that only (and I quote) "Established Persons" may contribute or edit the wiki in anyway..

(Which of course means no doubt just "Brendon" and your good self...!!!)

"Brendon" seems to have disappeared from Wikipedia for the time being..

(funnily enough)

So the "Wendy James" wiki entry is VERY FIRMLY STILL LOCKED for anyone else worldwide..

Doesn't that break at least ONE of the Pillars Of Wikipedia straight away..?

"Protection should never be used to keeping people from contributing or limit contributions to a select few.."

Of course I will make an official complaint about "Brendon" and get this lock lifted as soon as possible..

(Hopefully get "Brendon"'s editorial privilege revoked too..)

It of course merely RE-ENFORCES the lousy reputation this particular Wiki entry has on the internet..

Damaging Wendy James' already tattered image even more..if that's possible at this stage.

Thanks for listening.

(I do of course not blame you and will keep your name out of my official complaint..)

Wendtrut (talk) 16:20, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The page is semiprotected. To edit it, you just have to have an account at least four days old, and with at least ten edits. J.delanoy gabs adds  16:24, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Cockatoo map
It's there now: see User talk:Ucucha. And now I'm off to dinner. :) Ucucha 23:09, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Boletus subtomentosus
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Paging Dr. Casliber
I have observed and commented a lot of behavior here on wikipedia, most unappreciated. :)

I have read you are a psychiatrist, so maybe this would interest you, or maybe you already have observed this and can build on this observation.

Is there a name or any papers on the phenomena of a group ostracizing another group by jokes to:
 * 1) let off the stress of arguing
 * 2) belittle/subtly show that the minority groups comments are unimportant, and of no concern.

It seems like there is a definite pattern at times here on Wikipedia:
 * 1) intense argument,
 * 2) a couple of editors agree with the majority group of editors, followed by
 * 3) mocking jokes, sometimes subtly sometimes not so subtly. The subtly usually depends on the experience of the editor. The more experienced the editor, the more the personal attacks tend to be masked and retribution proof.

I have seen this repeatedly on wikipedia, two examples fresh on my mind:
 * 1) An admin's jokes about contributions being shit, complete with a picture of a fly on shit after days of intense arguing.
 * 2) Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests.  This exchange seems like several veteran editors subtly ostracizing User:Giano II.

The jokes don't necessarily have to be mocking the minority group, sometimes editors seem to just make jokes amongst themselves. It seems like these jokes are subtle, even unconscious way of saying, "move on nothing to see here, this editors concern is not going to be addressed, and will be ignored"

What do you think? Ikip 11:21, 19 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmmm...yes I can safely say I've seen a pattern. Not sure of a particular name - will need to think on it. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:53, 19 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Oscar Wilde? Cheers, Jack Merridew 06:09, 22 December 2009 (UTC) and the wired piece *is* funny, although the wp-space copy was new to me as of last week
 * Oscar Wilde was genuinely clever and funny. In my experience, some of these wikipedia comments are piety and unfunny, crudly intended to bait, silence, or bully the editor.  Ikip  11:47, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the comment about the Rubiaceae on WT:PLANTS that got that page going. Although I like Rubes (cf., my user name) I knew nothing about their taxonomy. Now I've got a new way to waste time when I should be grading finals. Guettarda (talk) 16:49, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, it's amazing that such a group is still so understudied - a genus like Gardenia is still a wastebasket taxon in 2009 (?????) and no-one has ever written a book on them, or even such a commonly cultivated plant such as Gardenia jasminoides..blew me away really. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:13, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Quoll
While fixing the Ted Strehlow page, I noted while linking to 'quoll' that there is something askew on the Australian quoll classifications, and the Northern Quoll page, where the map shows it only in the far Northern Territory, when not speaking of the Western Quoll round Perth. In Barry Hill's book, he speaks of the western quoll, while meaning the northern quoll, as a key fixture in Central Australian Arrernte ceremonial, south of Alice Springs. It's no doubt probably extinct in the area, but the Northern Quoll must have extended its habitat further than the map allows. It's called tjilpa in the Aranda language. Kind of stuff right up your alley, and I hope you can keep an eye out for any further notices so this imprecision of denotation and mapping might be adjusted. Cheers. Nishidani (talk) 14:14, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Mind if I weigh in? The "western" quoll (D. geoffroii) actually formerly occurred in much of Australia, but is now extinct except in southwestern WA (MSW 3). The northern quoll (D. hallucatus) only occurs in northern NT (as well as northern WA and Qld). Therefore, a quoll somewhere south of Alice Springs would almost certainly be D. geoffroii, the western quoll. Ucucha 14:50, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Need pages numbers for a citation you added
Hey Casliber, I'm trying to work my way up towards FAC for Zygoballus sexpunctatus. One of the issues that was brought up in the peer review is that the citation to Cassell's Latin Dictionary doesn't have any page numbers. If you have access to this book, and could add the page numbers, I would greatly appreciate it. Kaldari (talk) 17:23, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Cas is in the land of Oz-Nod at this hour. I'm his self-appointed drudge for 'roots', which might offend an Aussie ear, so I'll sub or locum-tenens for him. Cassell's Lat Dictionary is not a good source, particularly because 'punctatus' is not stricto sensu a Latin word, in the sense of classical Latin, but a denotative term in biological nomenclature. It came into use from Late medieval Latin punctare, from Latin punctum (point) which had an Italian reflex puntare, which, reassimilated back to the Latinate terminology of modern science, then gave us punctatio/ punctatus. These details may be sourced reliably to The Oxford English Dictionary, Clarendon Press, Oxford, 2nd ed.1989 vol.X11, pp.838-839 sub. punctate/punctation, whose first definition then follows:-
 * "'1.Nat.Hist, and Path.Marked or studded with points or dots; having minute rounded spots, or (esp.) depressions resembling punctures, scattered over the surface; of the nature of or characterized by such markings' (p.838)"
 * In classical Latin it would be maculatus (as in spotted gum, eucalyptus maculatus). Dante himself, when speaking of 'spotted' animals, used the word 'gaetto' as in quella fiera a la gaetta pelle (Canto 1, Inferno). Regards Nishidani (talk) 18:20, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I also need the page number for "sex" meaning "six". (I know that's probably obvious, but FAC reviewers are an anal bunch). Kaldari (talk) 18:34, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No sooner said than done ((In puncto acto)), guvner. Sex. Six. P.G.W.Glare, Oxford Latin Dictionary, Clarendon Press, Oxford, 1982 p.1750 sub.sex.
 * (wakes up. rubs eyes) ....oh, okay all done then. Right now where was I....Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:58, 21 December 2009 (UTC)


 * My note may seem inadequate, obscure and intrusive. The problem however is that sexpunctatus cannot be referred to any Latin dictionary, since it is not strictly speaking Latin, but 'neo-Latin', an invented term. If FA reviewers require this, then they are asking the impossible. The only way to get round the problem is to break the word up into sex and punctatus and give different sources for each, an ugly solution, for it means referring sex to a Latin dictionary, and punctatus to another source which explains it is a term coined for biological taxonomy in relatively modern times (Linnaeus uses it for example in his Systema Naturae(per regna tria naturae :secundum classes, ordines, genera, species, cum characteribus, differentiis, synonymis, locis).  Vol.2,913, to define Psocus sexpunctatus.


 * Another way round this would be to cite for punctatus the gloss on the word to be found in G. M. Storr, Lawrence Alec Smith, Snakes of Western Australia, (edited R. E. Johnstone),‎ Western Australian Museum, 1986, p. 103, where, commenting on ‘Rhinoplocephalus punctatus',(the spotted snake), we are informed that 'punctatus' means 'dotted'.Nishidani (talk) 09:23, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

predominantly and Splendid Fairywren
I noticed that you are the main editor of Splendid Fairywren and wonder if you agree with me that three "predominantly"s in para one of the blurb might be too repetitious.

Also, I apologize to you for causing trouble on Major depressive disorder. I did not understand that because my sourcing concerns were policy based, they would be corrected even though it seemed like I was being ignored. I thought I had to make myself heard and never was my intent to be disruptive. I am sorry for giving that impression. Regards, — Mattisse (Talk) 22:56, 21 December 2009 (UTC)


 * That's okay, I was actually thinking we should work together on borderline personality disorder as a way of burying the hatchet and moving on, as focussing on the sourcing is essential. You are right about the 'predominantly's - I realised that I could remove two of them with predominantly no change to context :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:21, 21 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the offer. Let me know if you seriously take it on. (Is there anything new regarding that diagnosis??) Happy New Year! Regards,  — Mattisse  (Talk) 00:15, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Administrator incidents
A noticeboard devoted to discussing incidents requiring administrator attention is not the appropriate forum to discuss BLP-related forums (that may or may not exist). You should know better, Cas. Your recent edits have been fairly unusual (an MFD of a humorous project-space page, WTF?). You seem to be losing touch with the community pulse, which usually indicates that it's time for a wikibreak. It's December 22; you should take the rest of the year off and come back refreshed January 1. :-) Just some friendly wholly unsolicited advice. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 06:22, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Amusing that you'd think deleting or moving to get a page deleted was unusual...almost as unusual as me and Ikip voting delete (chuckle). Thanks for the humorous post MZM. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:35, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

False Sockpuppet Accusation
Hi Cas, sorry to break the perma ban I had to request myself in order to be left in peace by certain persons and bother you again, but some poor soul has been wrongly accused of being a sockpuppet of me, by a couple of "the usual suspects". This is not fair, it's just a slur on the user concerned, and on myself, there wasn't even a proper sock check run...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Zeraeph/Archive

User:Alamanth had nothing, whatsoever to do with me, and this is the first I have heard of him/her, today, check the actual pathways and I feel sure you will find that out. I have no sockpuppets. I also REALLY think it is time someone put a stop to User:Penbat's more abstract capacity for equal misinformation, he is filling up psyhology articles with left of field nonsense, most of which is, at best, a considerable distortion of any source he cites, and, at worse simply made up off the top of his head. signed - The REAL Zeraeph --109.79.193.159 (talk) 09:55, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

PS Merry Christmas


 * (sigh) I had intended getting back into some psych articles...maybe I'll push this up the agenda....Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:56, 22 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks Cas...can you do something for Alamanth too? I give you my word of honour this is not even a person I KNOW. I can't even understand how they could have been banned, as me, without an IP check...it's insane...not to mention harassment of me and bullying of Alamanth - none of my business, but the Admins who enforced it really need to do a little self examination IMHO. Zed --109.79.217.91 (talk) 12:13, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

nivea
The nivea hook is wrong, dude. We don't know what Riche collected, because in his desperation to get back to the ship he threw his collections aside. It was Labillardiere who made those huge discoveries during the search for Riche. Hesperian 14:14, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * man I am knackered and about to hit the sack. Can you tweak the hook? Even better if naturalist #2 finds them searching for naturalist #1....Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:15, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I've done the bare minimum necessary to make it accurate. I'm off to bed myself. G'night. Hesperian 14:20, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Alexander Chancellor
You continued input on this talk page would be appreciated.--Scott Mac (Doc) 16:32, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Notification: Proposed 'Motion to Close' at Wikipedia:Community de-adminship/Draft RfC
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Community de-adminship/Draft RfC re: a 'Motion to close', which would dissolve Cda as a proposal. The motion includes an !vote. You have previously commented at WikiProject Administrator. Jusdafax 00:15, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas


A NobodyMy talk is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Don't eat yellow snow!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding to their talk page with a friendly message. To those who make Good Arguments, who are appreciative, or supportive. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 03:52, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Footy
Merry Christmas. Interested in the sport?  Aaroncrick  (talk )   05:16, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * A little bit :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:47, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Roll of the eyes* Could follow Essendon ... oh well :)  Aaroncrick  (talk )   06:50, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Award
Dear Casliber,

Thank you very, very much for the award. You really "made my day", no pun intended. I am greatly honored to accept it, and plan to contribute to the project. Just out of curiosity, how is this award handed out, and what are the criteria?

Best, Athenean (talk) 07:26, 24 December 2009 (UTC).


 * Rlevse carried it on from a tradition started by Phaedriel some years ago. I agreed to look after it for a couple of days over Xmas. Morale building I guess ...no real criteria..... ;) Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:30, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas, Casliber!
Many fungi and obscure single-celled organisms for your future articles, Cas. Have a wonderful holiday! --Moni3 (talk) 14:07, 24 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Thx ++ (ducks out of room where presents are being unwrapped....uh oh...off again) Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:44, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Trouted
Whack! You have been trouted for: I'm ... intrigued? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Newty23125 (talk • contribs) 14:20, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

And now, for FV's traditional last-minute nonsectarian holiday greeting!

 * Thx ++ - meant to do one of these meself....Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:39, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Pudu GA Review
First off, Merry Christmas! Secondly, I went through your suggestions and made the necessary changes to the pudu deer article you were reviewing for GA. We appreciate your review and hope to see your input about our changes. Thanks!Lisa Anne93 (talk) 16:28, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Made some more changes! I'm sorry to be on your case, but our Review week is almost up, and if you know AP Bio, you'll know we need the grade! Lisa Anne93 (talk) 01:40, 26 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, will prioritise. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:15, 26 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much for your help, Casliber, and for spending your holiday saving my grade:)Lisa Anne93 (talk) 04:15, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
May the beneficial power of the badnjak be with you, Casliber, in the coming year :-) Vladimir  (talk) 16:34, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Hahaha, I hope so :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:09, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Breviceratops as synonym of Bagaceratops
On the Breviceratops talk page, you mentioned that it was considered a synonym of Bagaceratops, is this published? If so, the page should be merged. FunkMonk (talk) 22:06, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Editor Review thanks


Sorry for the trouting
I clicked it and didn't know what it was - I thought I'd not posted it but obviously I have. Newbie mistake there - my apologies. ^_^

Still getting used to things and the way they work. Thanks for your hospitable welcome!

Newty23125 (talk) 12:20, 27 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay. Any questions, fire away then :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:17, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

FA-Team revival
I've made a proposal to bring the FA-Team out of inactivity—with a mission a bit different than we're used to. This is just a generic note I'm sending to members asking for their input. Cheers, Mm40 (talk) 01:27, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks For Your Reply To the Wendy James Wiki Lock Problem...
"You should be able to edit them now if you've edited more than ten times.."

Which average person has edited a Wiki entry more than ten times in a row..?

And if they did wouldn't they attract a SUSPICIOUS warning from Wikipedia itself about excessive edits..?

Certainly an OFFICIAL editor or a staffer at Wikipedia perhaps could edit an article that many times (which is fine)..

But even members of bands themselves on Wikipedia have not edited their OWN articles more than a handful of times..!!

(there is generally no need unless it is the occasional update as the article is usually the bands past history..and current activities which rarely change that much)

As I have said before..

This LOCK is clearly (and cynically?) designed for the exact opposite reason such concepts were introduced in the first place..

(Preventing abuse is one thing but preventing THE PUBLIC contributing on a PUBLIC WEBSITE which is currently looking for PERSONAL PUBLIC SUPPORT (see above) is very counter productive isn't it..?)

It should be removed immediately or else the entry itself should go..

(The "other" wiki articles on Transvision Vamp etc are open to any and all to edit and contribute and so are clearly fresher and more read than this one...)

In fact some aspects have recently been contributed to by myself on those very articles.

(Adding much needed facts and removing long mis-understood mistakes..)

I would quite happy give the "Wendy James" article the face lift it sorely needs..

But I (and everyone else in the public )have to actually get access to it first don't we...?

Thanks again for your kind words.

Wendtrut (talk) 17:34, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I will reply there. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:38, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Blocked, fyi. Brandon (talk) 23:48, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thx for looking into it - who would have thought Wendy James could have been such a controversial figure. Can yuo point me the socking info? cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:54, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * This guy:, , , . I had forgotten he was IP hoping instead of using accounts, I'll go change the block reason. Brandon (talk) 03:42, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Woodruff
Hi. Your move of Woodruff is causing some minor edit warring over the redirect left behind. I have posted a WP:RM to move Woodruff (disambiguation) over the redirect. --Una Smith (talk) 02:31, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Re coffee.Copied from my page

 * From memory I think Australians would call that kind of flash mob something like the Sweet FA push ('push' as in Henry Lawson's famous 'The Bastard from the Bush'), 'Sweet' because also I take my several cups a day with sugar, but also 'Sweet Fanny Adams', which I believe is also an idiom current in the antipoedean lexicon.
 * Two quick points. (1) Note 4 sources the text to Bennett Alan Weinberg & Bonnie K. Bealer's The world of caffeine: the science and culture of the world's most popular drug, but then fails, unaccountably, in the etymology section, to cite the same text pp.24-25, which has several paragraphs on, precisely, the etymology of the word, with several different hypotheses listed, most of them what are called technically 'folk etymologies'. So, the citations in notes 12-15 of the etymology section should have the Weinberg-Bealer reference, pp.24-25 added.
 * (2)The O.E.D. is referred to in the etymology section, without specifying which edition, long or short, is meant. The full reference would be O.E.D. 2nd edition, Clarendon Press, Oxford vol.3 p.438 col.1 sub. coffee.
 * (2b) the etymology paragraph relies on a synthesis of OED and Merriam-Webster, technically this makes it a WP:OR violation for nitpickers. For example, the OED gives Turkish kahveh, our text has Turkish 'kahve', small differences, as experienced women remind us, still count.
 * There's another, double, WP:OR violation is stating that 'the word "coffee" entered the English language in 1598 via the Dutch koffie,' (source OED). The OED doesn't say this. It says the word entered European languages around 1600 apparently from Turkish kahveh. Then the OED gives, as the first known reference to foreign forms of the word coffee in English is to the 1598 translation of Linschoten's Travels (Dutch original 1595), where it appears as chaoua. The recognisable English form Coffa dates from 1603 onward. The OED again does not say it came into English via Dutch. It writes:-
 * "'The European languages generally appear to have got the name from Turkish kahveh, about 1600, perh. through It(alian). caffè;. . .The English coffee, Dutch koffie, earlier German coffee, koffee, Russian kophe, kopheĭ, have o, apparently representing earlierau from ahw or ahv."
 * (3) The text has 'In the languages of Ethiopia, terms such as bunna (in Amharic and Afan Oromo) and būn (in Tigrinya) are used.'
 * This would require a citation, but the information is unnecessary. The Online OED has been accessed, and perhaps that has updated info. But in my second edition one reads:
 * "'Some have conjectured that it is a foreign, perh. African, word disguised and have thought it connected with the name of Kaffa in the south Abyssinian highland, where the plant seems to be native. But of this there is no evidence, and the name qahwah is not given to the berry or plant, which is called bunn, the native name in Shoa being būn.'"
 * The OED therefore differs from our text, which however cites it. If you look at Weinberg and Bealer's book p.22, they write bunn is the Ethiopian and early Arabic term for coffee beans,'(not bunna).


 * Suggested text rewrite therefore would be:
 * "The first reference to 'coffee' in the English language, in the form chaoua, dates to 1598. In English and other European languages, coffee derives from the Ottoman Turkish kahveh, via the Italian caffè. The Turkish word in turn was borrowed from Arabic: قهوة‎, qahwah. Arab lexicographers maintain that qahwah originally meant a kind of wine, and referred its etymology, in turn, to the verb qahiya, signifying 'to have no appetite',, since this beverage was thought to dull one's hunger. Several alternative etymologies exist which hold that the Arab form may disguise a loanword from an Ethiopian or African source, suggesting Kaffa, the highland in southwestern Ethiopia, since the plant is indigenous to that area. Best, Nishidani (talk) 16:13, 29 December 2009 (UTC)"


 * Wonderful - that'll do nicely. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:34, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

 * Nice one - arachnids are so cultural...... :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:22, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Mystery Train
Thanks again for the Mystery Train GA review. I'm thinking of sending it to FAC; any thoughts?  Skomorokh 16:47, 31 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll take another look. Main thing is fine-tuning prose...but I recall it not looking too bad. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:54, 31 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks heaps. You're probably right on the prose issue; chopping awkwardly-paraphrased content from three or four refs into a sentence does not make for poetry, and everyone is their own worst copyeditor! Nice to see Coffee coming along, by the way.  Skomorokh  20:38, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I know ....Coffee and Cigarettes.... :) Do you have any other copyeditors to look yet or shall I find a few. More eyes are always good. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:42, 31 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Ack, that's another terrible article needing love. I'm not overly worried about the copyediting to be honest, moreso the plot (I don't generally write fictional topics), whether or not the article makes sense or leaves major things out.  Skomorokh  20:45, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

On looking at the prose of Mystery Train again, it either looks pretty good, or my eyes have gone square for looking at it too long...although I suspect the former is more likely. :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:49, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

The 2010 WikiCup begins tomorrow!
Welcome to the biggest WikiCup Wikipedia has yet seen! Round one will take place over two months, and finish on February 26. There is only one pool, and the top 64 will progress. The competition will be tough, as more than half of the current competitors will not make it to round 2. Details about scoring have been finalized and are explained at WikiCup/Scoring. Please make sure you're familiar with the scoring rules, because any submissions made that violate these rules will be removed. Like always, the judges can be reached through the WikiCup talk pages, on their talk page, or over IRC with any issues concerning anything tied to the Cup. We will keep in contact with you via weekly newsletters; if you do not want to receive them, please remove yourself from the list here. Conversely, if a non-WikiCup participant wishes to receive the newsletters, they may add themselves to that list. Well, enough talk- get writing! Your submission's page is located here. Details on how to submit your content is located here, so be sure to check that out! Once content has been recognized, it can be added to your submissions page, from which our bot will update the main score table. Remember that only articles worked on and nominated during the competition are eligible for points. Have fun, and good luck! Garden, iMatthew, J Milburn, and The ed17 19:16, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year
I just wanted to stop by and wish you, your family and friends a Happy New Year!-- Literature geek |  T@1k?  02:08, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thx. been snowed under (metaphorically) with stuff, so didn't get round to the usual greetings etc. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:13, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah yea well it is that time of year. I was snowed under myself and could only manage text well wishes, had no time to design the fancy ones other editors use. :)-- Literature geek |  T@1k?  11:20, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Donald Bruce Foreman
I take it that an article for Donald Bruce Foreman might be imminent, since you linked him. I just wanted to say that there is an incoming link for Donald Foreman as well; seems like the same person. Geschichte (talk) 22:59, 2 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank heavens for middle names :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:38, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Adoption
Hi would you like to adopt me?-- General  Cheese  04:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I am not sure about the adoption thing, but feel free to ask me any questions. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:11, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

BLP Flagged petition
Hi Cas,

I didn't know there was a BLP semi-protection petition circulating. Feel free to drop a note on my talk page when you see BLP concerns such as these. :) Firsfron of Ronchester  22:46, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

coffee
Hi Casliber,

In this thread on the talk page, I explain why I restored the photograph from coffee beans back to the cup of coffee. Hope you don't mind. Andrew Gradman talk/WP:Hornbook 21:07, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup/History/2010/Submissions/Casliber
Sorry, I've had to removed your submission from this page, as the work on the article was done before the beginning of the competition. J Milburn (talk) 12:59, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * no problems, a learning thing I guess. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:19, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

State theatre
NLA has more piccies than books http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Search/Home?lookfor=state+theatre+sydney&type=all&limits=&submit=Find on the first page SatuSuro 13:58, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I'd only need 1/5th of a picture if I could directly convert a picture to a thousand words, but my translation skills might not be up to it...Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:01, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

The local library seems to have a mixed bag you could always make something out of the invites at above and here - http://library.sl.nsw.gov.au/search/X?state%20theatre%20sydney&searchscope=2  SatuSuro 14:03, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

OMG - I do hope you are up on the caffeine toxicology issues when you wander into a subject like that... SatuSuro 14:31, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmmm...yeah. And I have given up as of NYE for a bit too (coffee that is). Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs
Hello Casliber! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 2 of the articles that you created  are tagged as Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons. The biographies of living persons policy requires that all personal or potentially controversial information be sourced. In addition, to insure verifiability, all biographies should be based on reliable sources. if you were to bring these articles up to standards, it would greatly help us with the current Category:All_unreferenced_BLPs article backlog. Once the articles are adequately referenced, please remove the unreferencedBLP tag. Here is the list:

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Vandals at Confucianism
Hi Casliber. Many months ago you agreed with my request that Confucianism be semi-protected. The problem has re-emerged, with a steady flood of mainly IP-vandalism. Will you please apply semi-protection again? Perhaps three months would be a good idea, to give such behaviour a real chance to extinguish. Regards,– ⊥¡ɐɔıʇǝo N oetica! T– 04:33, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Done - better check the last date change edit. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:58, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Cas.– ⊥¡ɐɔıʇǝo N oetica! T– 05:24, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

York Imperial apple
I've gone and mainspaced this and listed at DYK. Any improvements would be appreciated. I'm still trying to get a free image too. <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 23:58, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Stenocarpus cryptocarpus
Hello! Your submission of Stenocarpus cryptocarpus at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Bradjamesbrown (talk) 05:07, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Possible DYK
I wanted to mention that I have expanded Economy of Queensland five-fold since 6 January. Can you find any good hooks and nominate it for Australia Day? - Shiftchange (talk) 15:02, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
I never thanked for your condolence note last year, but I appreciate it more than I can possibly express. All the best, in friendship. Guettarda (talk) 16:11, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Algae
WikiProject Algae was started as a meeting space on Wikipedia for improving the taxonomic representations of the groups of organisms called algae. Please join other editors at the talk page (Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Algae) to discuss a higher level taxonomy for algae to be used on Wikipedia.

And thanks for pointing me to the WikiProject Banksia page for plagiarizing to create the WikiProject Algae pages. --68.127.232.132 (talk) 19:15, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Not so good on algal taxonomy...Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:19, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * This is true in general for Wikipedia, and I hope to fix it. Thanks for helping with starting the project, though.  --68.127.232.132 (talk) 21:17, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

whaddya reckon?
I'm still up for working on an article about chinese immigration to australia, which I see as distinct from an article about the ethnicity 'chinese australian' (it's actually quite fun source hunting etc.!) - I've tried to follow various advices several times now, unfortunately resulting in my nascent article being pinged back to userspace I think three times now! Perhaps a wiser head than mine would help? any thoughts much appreciated if you get a mo. cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 00:51, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * thanks for your comments, Cas - I replied in rather long and dreary fashion over there, basically I'd really just quite like to work on getting that article nice and pretty and a reasonable quality - perhaps using something like this as a bit of inspiration? - is your suggestion that the 'parent' articles require work first your last word on the matter, or might you be able to figure out any sort of compromise or other way forward? thanks anywhooo..... Privatemusings (talk) 03:30, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

FYI
User_talk:Penwhale

Surprised? nobody should be.

I respect you as a leader in so many ways, (new user RFC for one) but I think you failed to take care of this many months ago, when you could have. I always thought the support of editors who make tough controversial decisions are booted out of leadership on wikipedia was a crock, and just a way to justify abusive administrative authority. But now I wonder. Are you so popular on all sides because you are unwilling to make these tough decisions? Is it really true? Does wikipedia make leaders loathe to tackle troubling issues?

Maybe you subscribe to the Lar's "thick skin" defense, that everyone around Jack Merridew should just grow a thick skin. I should do the same thing that everyone has been counseling A Nobody and White Cat before him, ignore the hounding, and if I don't it is really my fault.

Jack Merridew yelled the loudest about a RFC against A Nobody, and editors who he has talked to in the past offline, accommodated this request.

Jack Merridew was also yelling about a RFC against me, so if his modus operandi is any guide, pretty soon other editors will accommodate this request too.

How much more drama and disruption does wikipedia really need? Sooner or later someone is going to have to address Jack Merridew's behavior head on, and it sure the hell won't be John or Flonight, who have a "thick skin", blame the victim attitude.

What is so damn troubling is that this is the second time Jack Merridew has involved a new editor a foe of his was trying to help. The first time was A Nobody's newbie.

As DGG wrote, Jack Merridew is "very skilled at" hounding. If you can get passed him obviously following me to this newbie, as he has done with other editors a million time in the past, and continues to follow A Nobody, (which it may appear to some that the arbcom gave him a green light to do), his edits are not inflammatory anymore. Jack Merridew's hounding has become more careful. Gone are the days were he mocks the editors on their talk pages and on talk pages he never was involved with before. Instead he is putting up this newbies images for deletion, and working together with Future Perfect to delete references. All which are within the rules, if you can ignore the following in the first place.

At the very least, could you demand that Jack Merridew stay away from this newbie and this page he is working on. Granted, he will probably have his "friends" continue this criticism. But if he still returns, could you this time follow through on your demand, and block him?

I will be offwiki for at least several hours, maybe days (my wife has my password so I stay away from wikipedia), and I am logging off again. Ikip 13:23, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * (headdesk x 3) - I'll take a look...Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:23, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I have prepared an RfC/U on him. I will give him one last chance to leave me alone.  If I see ANY more posts on my talk page, reverts of my edits, showing up immediately after me in AfDs, etc., I will post it and if the RfC/U does not result in him leaving me alone, then he will be back to arbcom.  Enough is enough.  Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 23:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Flag of Japan/archive2
I do thank you for giving good faith for the sources and information in this article, but if you need anything explained or thinks something need a cite, please let me know. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * No problemo :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

B. dryandroides
Golly, that was fun!

Tomorrow I'll convert the series redirect into an article (warranted because it has had a non-monotypic circumscription), then create a distribution map, then see what is still left for me to do.

We're way past 5x, if you want to try for a DYK. way ahead of me, as usual. Hesperian 14:56, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

G'night.

Hesperian 14:53, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


 * [T:TDYK#Articles_created.2Fexpanded_on_January_15|thought of an okay hook I think.....]] Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:58, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

It's the time that interests me, rather than the distance. Baxter collected all these sheets of specimens, and all these seeds, and brought them home. Brown probably had the specimen sheets by 1824. We know he was in contact with Baxter before he left, because he had asked Baxter to bring him back some decent Kingia material. Which he got. Yet there was time for a seed to be germinated, a seedling grown to adulthood, and the first flowers to appear, for Sweet to describe the species and get it published, and beat Brown to the punch by two years. Brown was renowned for focussing obsessively on the one thing that interested him at that particular moment, and putting off everyone and everything else interminably, to the great frustration of those who were relying on him for other stuff. I can't help but suspect that this story is an amusing indictment on Brown. (But this is just aimless waffle; I'm not criticising your hook....) Hesperian 13:14, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * That's a good point - the hook was a tough one and the best I could come up with - I could have said "Banksia dryandroides was the first WA banksia to ever reach flowering in Casliber's garden''...(until it predictably died...) :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:22, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

On the subject of time, I just discovered (Collins 2008: 360) that B. verticillata was introduced into cultivation in Europe in 1794. That stupid Wikipedia reckons it was discovered in 1801. Isn't that just bloody typical? I think I'll go vandalise the article now. Hesperian 13:29, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe Robert Brown was a Time Lord....Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:41, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * That would explain a lot. Hesperian 13:51, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * At last you banksia guys admit what you are really up to - beam me up scotty! SatuSuro 13:59, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Now where is my sonic screwdriver....Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:00, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

another DoS article
Heya, please have a look at my sandbox: User:Witty lama/Sandbox - there's another imported Dictionary of Sydney article, this time hopefully destined for Artists' camps. Waddayareckon? If you're happy with it, please feel free to move it to mainspace. DYK possibility for Aust. day? BTW - where are the Aust day DYK hooks being prepared? Witty Lama 12:33, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * saw your reply on the sandbox talkpage - I've replied there. Witty Lama 14:07, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry
I'm sorry I just don't have the time right now, and maybe never ... Chris DHDR 14:32, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for getting back to me. Hope everything is okay. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:25, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Banksia sphaerocarpa
First pass of the GA review done. Talk:Banksia sphaerocarpa/GA1. Sorry I took so long. Guettarda (talk) 05:44, 21 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Passed. Sorry about the delay (again) - life got in the way.  Guettarda (talk) 18:53, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Figured something had come up - hope everything is okay. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:04, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, all's well. Thanks for asking.  Just a bit distracted by work, my birthday, and an ice/snowstorm that had much of the town closed down for several days.  Guettarda (talk) 21:24, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Tylopilus plumbeoviolaceus
Hi Cas, any chance of getting a proper epithet etymology for the above when you have a minute? Thanks. Hope you're keeping well. Sasata (talk) 17:09, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Done - am fine, just snowed under IRL (not literally, it is stinking hot and 30C at 5am... :/ Casliber (talk · contribs) 18:06, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Elvis is alive
You asked for it... :) PL290 (talk) 12:09, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * PL290 ... I'm about to go to bed ... and I noticed this in the watchlist (duh) ... and read your nomination ... and that is an excellent span of words to drink in before I sleep. (If that sounds strange, well, I'm pretty strange. LoL) Anyway, thank you. Well done. Proofreader77 (interact) 12:24, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I will rubberneck on by soon...was just tidying up some loose ends first. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:25, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Need help with COI issues on Springer (orca) and Luna (Orca)
Hi Cas,

I've left a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mammals that you might have seen, and I'd like to make request for your help in particular as you're good with new editors and science articles, and also have lots of experience with dispute resolution and COI issues. There is a recent history of COI in these articles that should be easy to address if there were enough experienced independent contributors standing up to it, but so far there's basically only me. The history is described in Talk:Springer (orca) including its talk page. I'd love it if you could comment. Best wishes and happy new year :) Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 07:26, 5 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'll take a look. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:02, 5 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks Cas. If you could keep it on your watchlist I'd really appreciate it. And (waving at the Casliber talk page peanut gallery) any input from other Wikipedians would be great too. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 04:28, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

William IV and Buckingham Palace
Greetings, Casliber. I hope you are well; you certainly seem as productive as ever.

After some searching in the history, I found that last March you made this edit, and I am wondering whether you still have access to the book King William IV. I'd be grateful if you could give me more details on the King's offer of Buckingham Palace to Parliament and what happened with it. Apart from satisfying my own curiosity, I'd like to give the full picture in the article; someone has already filled in the blanks, but I have no way of verifying the accuracy of the additions. And even though there isn't room to elaborate too much in this article, I'm planning a separate article for the building's history. (A very-long-term project, obviously, considering how much the main article is taking me to improve. It's a learning experience on many levels.) Waltham, The Duke of 06:59, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * sigh. I was formatting information that Giano had given to me. I suspect he has the book. sorry :/


 * PS: sounds like a good article to work on :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:19, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * That was unexpected... But I suppose it makes sense. I'll try my luck at the latest reincarnation of his talk page.
 * The subject fascinates me and I believe it has potential, but I do not have previous experience in writing content or finding sources (indeed, I did not expect that I'd want to until a year ago), so I'm taking my time. My plans are fairly grandiose, though (articles for several important rooms, White House-style), and I expect them to accelerate once I receive a further couple of books I have ordered. In the end, my biggest problem may be that I'll have to start reviewing at FAC. :-P Waltham, The Duke of 19:56, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think I have ever read Ziegler, Phillip (1971). King William IV, so I don't think I could have used that reference. However, I have seen it written many times - most notably on P15 of Harris, de Bellague and Millar's Buckingham Palace. "William IV disliked gilding and indeed show of any kind, and he made a bold attempt to get rid of Buckingham House altogether and give it to the nation in lieu of the Houses of Parliament, which were burned down in 1834. Wiliam IV write to the Speaker "I mean Buckingham House as a permanent gift. Mind that!"" I suggest you get hold of a copy of the Harris, de Bellague and Millar book as it is the definitive comprehensive history and catlogue of the palace, the cataloge being necessary for a comprehensive room description. - all other books on the subject pale beside it.  Giano   09:53, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm baffled. Maybe I just pinched the ref from the monarch's page himself. Anyway, I think these are fine pages to work up and will be happy to help when the time comes :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:09, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * well it doesn't matter because it is true, and it's probably in the Ziegler book also.  Giano   13:22, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * There's no more details, other than the suggestion that the offer was made because of the burning down of the Palace of Westminster, (wonder if it was a temporary/emergency offer?) but here's an on-line credible source at least. . Hansard? --Joopercoopers (talk) 15:06, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No. it was not temporary, the King was quite definite "I mean Buckingham House as a permanent gift. Mind that!" The "mind that!" rather suggests he wanted rid of the place and no intention of having it back. I love your ref JC "A serious problem for the newly married couple was the absence of any nurseries and too few bedrooms for visitors. The only solution was to move the Marble Arch" The only solution? I suppose it never occurred to them to have less children or invite fewer visitors.  Giano   15:25, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm baffled too, but for a different reason. I thought it was abundantly clear due to the diff I gave, but I now realise I've been misleading you all along. I am researching the Palace of Westminster, not Buckingham, the article on which is already featured. Not that FAs cannot be improved further, but there is certainly more to do in what I believe they call "an Emsworth classic" seriously lacking in sourcing and breadth of coverage up until a year ago. (A colleague and I did some tidying up and referencing last spring, but that I thought this would be enough to reclaim the bronze star shows just how naïve I was at the time.) In any case, many of my interests intersect on this building, and, as it happens, its article was the first that I edited after opening this account three years ago.
 * So, any tips on bibliography for the new target? From the list here I possess (and have added) Field, Gerhold, McDonald and Wilson, and I am expecting Riding & Riding to arrive in a week. The 1911 Guide is an online find of mine, and I really hope it can pass as reliable; I'm not sure how much the "by permission of the Lord Great Chamberlain" is worth at FAC, but I haven't found anything suspicious in the descriptions, and even if Riding turns out to be good enough to replace all the Guide's references, the latter's pre-war perspective could still be useful in some parts. I'm also considering buying Pevsner's book—its scope may be much broader than the Palace, but I am thinking that if I finish with all the articles on the building I'm planning some time within the decade, I might start moving up Whitehall.
 * Rant over. (Working alone has its benefits, but sometimes I really wish someone could tell me from time to time exactly how misguided I am.)
 * PS: If William IV hated gilding once, the House of Commons hated it ten times. After reading at least fifty Hansard pages from the period between 1835 and 1900 (in an annoyingly unquotable reported-speech style), I have no doubt in my mind why poor Barry and half the artists involved in the project died before it was finished. You don't want to be working for those people. (Sample.) Waltham, The Duke of 16:51, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I would not bother too much with dear old Nick Pevsner, I have most of his books for the counties, but not for London. However, I only use him when I want an opinionated opinion supporting. In fact, if it were not for old Nick, I would probably have left Wikipedia years ago; he would certainly have been banned long before me - which says it all really.  Giano   18:46, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It is a probem when one works out of an area way out of expertise. I have taken up a challenge to get coffee to FAC...and alot of the history differs depending on which book is read. Confusing. Hmm..I don't think I've ever looked at the Palace of Westminster article..Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:25, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd tell you to refrain from looking at it for a month or so, but I see I am too late. :-P
 * On expertise, I'd say that is relative; although knowing about the field relevant to the subject is undoubtedly useful, if one is to develop an article enough, one will invariably venture into unknown territory. Or at least that is my impression; in any case, I'm not really an expert on anything, and a considerable proportion of my knowledge in some areas comes from Wikipedia itself or other non-specialist websites, so it's not of much use. Especially as my memory tends to convert hard facts into general impressions.
 * Giano, it probably does. Mind you, I do need opinions on the building, but contemporary rather than modern. There may be few critics of the Palace of Westminster 140 years after its completion, but things haven't always been like that. Just the supporters of Classicism and the 96+ architects who didn't win the competition were enough to keep the papers busy for a long time, to say nothing of the formidable Victorian art reviewers.
 * Hmmm... I think I'd benefit from access to the archives of The Times. Lots of disputes were conducted through the paper's pages, and I've already seen a few teasers. Anyone with money to spare? Waltham, The Duke of 01:36, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Erm...yeah, I had a bit of a look. Might be a good one to get to GA first as a practice run...and get kudos for fixing old good content...Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:59, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * One hopes, Casliber... One hopes. For the time being, I'm mostly adding new content, though I also use the old one as a guide; like the original walls of Westminster Hall, much of it survives, if unseen. For one thing, I have barely touched the main "Security" section, but I have largely expanded the "Incidents" one. I only need to expand a couple of paragraphs and write the one on the suffragettes and it will be finished. It was relatively easy because it was just incomplete and the events are fairly easy to find and source; the other sections are much more of a patchwork. Waltham, The Duke of 23:27, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Just dropped in quickly --> looks rather good. If I were you I'd have a look at the GA criteria and when you feel satisfied that it does, stick it up there for review. Chances are it'll get a good go through the meat grinder pretty quickly due to its importance. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:51, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Just taking my time to reply: thank you, you are very kind. I have had a look at the criteria, and it is the second and third that mostly concern me at the moment. As soon as I tackle these two (and there is work to be done yet), the rest will be fairly easy—for GA level, that is. Then comes further improvement and a Peer Review, where I hope the subject's fame will get me lots and lots of good advice. :-) I'm already reading FAC reviews and trying to acquire a greater understanding on what a good article needs, but I really cannot claim to be anything more than a beginner with some extra theoretical knowledge. Waltham, The Duke of 00:23, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Horticulture question
You seem to be the only person consistently active at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Horticulture_and_Gardening. I've asked a question there but am wondering, is there a better place I should raise this issue at? JBsupreme (talk) 21:24, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Naga jolokia
From another Australian, I welcome your input on that article. It's a significant plant. I'd love to grow it, and shall some day. <span style="color:#646464; font-weight:bold; font-size:9px; border:2px solid #FFCC33;background-color:#cde0fc; padding: 2px 10px; letter-spacing: 6px;">► RATEL ◄ 07:15, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

image copyrights
Hi, thanks for all your great work! I am very sorry to have to rain on your parade some. You uploaded this image: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kentrosaurusberlin.jpg. To my knowledge, the Museum für Naturkunde has not released this image for free use. Under German copyright laws, anything IN a building, even a public museum, is NOT public domain. You may take pics, but only for private use. Could you please contact the museum's PR lady and ask for permission? http://www.naturkundemuseum-berlin.de/mitarbeiter/mitarbeiter.asp?path=aboutus&name=Gesine.Steiner HMallison (talk) 11:21, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * sigh - I just saw the diffs. Do you think it is worth pursuing or do you have enough visual material. If they have never released copyright on interior photos before I doubt they'll do so now (?). Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:26, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I ahve been working on them! Nobody has ever asked, so they have not released anything, but they know wikipedia is important. There may even be a work order to re-write the museum page for me - so yes, this is worth pursuing! In the end, they will probably deny it, but have our photographers prepare pics especially for wikipedia. So if you write a short email (sorry, just relaized, may we please continue using under this and that license) you may even get a straight 'yes' (do not bring commercail use up, though!), but at the very least you help me make my point there, which helps getting awesome images into wiki :) HMallison (talk) 19:55, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I just realised you are there (Berline) - any idea who I write to? Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:59, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * The lady I linked above: Mrs. Steiner is the PR gal. HMallison (talk) 20:00, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Fantastic, I'll get onto it a bit later. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:04, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

I know you are a man of taste, but...
...any interest in, eh, Queen? Might be a colab over the next months. I know music began in 1976, but this can be our dark secret. Ceoil <font color="E45E05">sláinte 12:19, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Funny - I have heard a bit o'Queen on the ol' radio recently and was musing on how they'd aged well..will have a look. Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:56, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Anthony M. Young
I pulled out a list of 25 unsourced BLPs on Aussie scientists, and started working through them. Anthony M. Young was an inauspicious start: I couldn't find anything. You had better dig something up if you want to save it.

It is a pretty shitty job. It took me 40 minutes to salvage 7 articles, even though I didn't do a particularly good job of it. I'm glad I saved John A. Long, but I couldn't care less about the others. I don't think I'll bother saving the other 17. Here they are in case there is someone there you really want to save: David_Pegg_(physicist), David_Sinclair_(biologist), Derek_Denton, Gregory_G._Rose, John_B._Cox, Julian_Pepperell, Ken_Freeman, Lyndal_Davies, Michael_A._O'Keefe, Milton_Blain, Murray_Tregonning, Oleg_Sushkov, Philip_Manley_Boyce, Rodney_Brooks, Simon_Austin, Willy_Susilo, Yi_Mu_(academic).

Hesperian 14:01, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Bloody hell, and just when most of my reference books are packed up in boxes. Damn. Much less fun than GA/FAC. Still, in one respect if they are redlinked they are listed here and can be recreated at another time once I haul my books out. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:50, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * PS: Murray Tregonning a scientist?? Hahaha, at least I can get a laugh out of something in all this. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:07, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * He's more a scientist than this bloke. Hesperian 11:36, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hi Cas,

Just wanted to stop by to ping your talk page and thank you for your work on Plateosaurus last night while I was sleeping. Much appreciated! Firsfron of Ronchester 02:39, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Aw shucks, didn't do that much - made a change from banksias and reffing BLPs....Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:34, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Bulletin Board
I placed your comment on the talk page of WP:MAMMAL. In the future, please place all comments on the talk page of the project. Thanks! The Arbiter  ★★★  19:24, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay. Casliber (talk · contribs)

Abuse template and article
Thanks for your interest. I was aware that you have made important contributions to some Wiki psychology articles.

The burning problem is that much to my horror, a totally pointless (in my view) template for discussion has just been rerun on template:abuse (associated with abuse) see Templates_for_discussion/Log/2010_January_24

It is driving me nuts that in my view a very important piece of work I have spent a lot of time on is likely to get deleted by editors who know nothing about the subject and typically just whizz through the AFDs and TFDs and make snap judgements. To understand the concept of abuse properly requires some specialist knowledge.

It is urgent as there is a serious danger the template will be deleted soon and that would probably make me feel like walking out on Wikipedia for good as it is just making life too difficult.--Penbat (talk) 00:27, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I know it is frustrating. To write on wikipedia requires a paradigm shift to move oneself away from making original assumptions. I do sympathise, and I need to think about this some more. There are some folks more familiar with psychological material that have yet to comment. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:36, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you implying that you have publicized this on the psychology project page ? From past experience it doesnt seem too popular and I have used the medical project page. --Penbat (talk) 01:07, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Both/either/all. I also posted on the wikiproject sociology talk page as well. The more the merrier really. Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:09, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Dinosaurs in the Signpost
Hi. I noticed you're an active member of WikiProject Dinosaurs. Would you be willing to be interviewed for an article in the Signpost? It's quick and painless, plus you'll contribute to some great publicity for the project and articles you've been working on. Also, would you recommend any other editors who should be interviewed for an article on WP Dinosaurs? -Mabeenot (talk) 06:24, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure, although it is a real team effort - it is only semi active currently - Firsfron, Spawn Man (now retired) and me sort of coordinated it, with some more expert people involved HMallison does it as a career, as do some others (runs off to cut and paste some usernames in this message). Dinoguy2 started the image review to ensure good pics. J. Spencer is another still active. Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:53, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I wrote some questions for the upcoming Signpost article. Answer as many as you feel comfortable with. Also, feel free to add anything else you'd like mentioned in the article in the section at the end of the questions. Thanks for helping with this article and I hope it brings your project some great publicity and a few new contributors. -Mabeenot (talk) 19:19, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Abuse TFD looks like a complete mess
see User_talk:Plastikspork

It looks like administrators just count bits of emboldened text and ignore the fact that opinions may change as the result of discussion. 3 of the editors in the 1st TFD changed from delete to neutral but User:Plastikspork looks to have ignored that and just gone by their initial postions. If he had picked up their later views there would have been no justification for relisting the TFD and wasting everybodies time all over again. --Penbat (talk) 17:31, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Steve Dodd at FAC
Hello. Please celebrate Australia Day by checking out this article about an intriguing yet obscure Indigenous Australian, and contributing to its feature article candidate discussion, before it fails owing to a lack of reviews! Thanks. hamiltonstone (talk) 12:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Banksia cuneata
Well done on another FA Gnangarra 16:15, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Great team effort...and sphaerocarpa not far off either....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:07, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Discussion invitation
(Refactored)...

agree with your sentiments, changed this on several editors talk pages, now changed on yours. Ikip 01:38, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

25 DYK Nomination Medal

 * Thanks! Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:47, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

the famous ethymologists Maier and Cretu
Hehe - I just did the same search and came to the same conclusion. Couldn't figure out why my revert didn't take until I realised you'd beat me to it! Cheers --RexxS (talk) 10:20, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I know....damn, I have the coffee books still to read... :/ Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:47, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Vampires
Hi Casliber,

Just stumbled across the fascinating Tables of vampire traits and saw how you were arguing to keep it. I hope sanity prevails and the topic stays, but in case it gets presented to the AfD axe again, I thought I'd let you know that http://vampires.wikia.com/ (also CC licensed) would very much welcome the content. It's still a small wiki, and currently without an administrator, but it has the potential to include a lot of interesting comparisons like this as it grows.

I work for Wikia and respect conflict of interest rules, so I am not going to mention this site on the article's talk page, but on a personal level, I thought it would be kind to let the primary scholarly champion of the article know that there was another audience that would welcome it.

Thanks! &mdash; Catherine\talk 18:37, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Um, okay...thanks - given the licencing, there's nothing stopping the content being copied anyway I would have thought. :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:24, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

 * Thanks! Yum......Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:44, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello! I am a new member seeking Adoption/Mentorship
I am Vega. I write Psychology, Medical, Science, Philosophy, and Biology articles mainly and as a hobby. I have submitted only one to Wikipedia thus far and I believe it to be excellent, considering it is a first submission and I took so much time to proof-read and make sure to reference my reliable sources and so on.

However, I am far from an expert. Thus my issues with my personal writing are as follows: grammatical errors, such as typing errors of which I overlook in proof-reading and elaborating possibly too much, as opposed to being concise thus repeating my points merely rephrasing them (I do not notice this at the time but I feel that it must bore readers) and drawing out the main point, and finally It have trouble with the format of Wikipedia's coding style and have (but was brought to my attention) placed too many redirect links into my personal writing. Help?

Also, due to it being a very large passion of mine to research, learn, share knowledge, help others, and to write in general-- I wish to learn correct ways in which follow the terms of service/guidelines of Wikipedia appropriately in order to edit to articles/leave feedback to the authors in acceptable ways.

I have stumbled upon submissions, to say the least, in need of SEVERE help, editing, revision, references of an reliable nature added etc. and/or possible removal, yet I haven't learned and haven't the slightest clue what to do first if I see a post of this nature. My instinct is to help via editing and reviewing it-- Yet, with my limited knowledge thus far on editing in general I feel that due to posts of the aforementioned type existence, that in order to better contribute to lovely Wikipedia-- I need to learn all that I can to improve my contributions and conduct (ie What is appropriate to do when stumbling upon an opinion-based/biased/unreferenced article) i have no problem with simple edits, however I have a bit to learn on a larger scale for everyone's benefit. (coding is #1 in my problem area! help?)

Sorry to ramble. It's a habit. I would greatly appreciate you as mentor, if you are interested. If not, then Thank you anyways for reading my drawn-out request to be adopted. Thanks. --Ladybrainbypass (talk) 16:04, 20 January 2010 (UTC) Ladybrainbypass (talk) Vega G. --Ladybrainbypass (talk) 16:04, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Parrot stuff
is not finalized, but the preprint is ready and formatted. It may well be one of the most comprehensive and beautiful papers on the topic of Psittaciformes evolution. Only gripe: it still does not consider the fossil record fully. Is

really so hard to get? 2 cites in 3 years for what is essentially the baseline review is far too little... even Mayr does not cite it - granted, most is not Paleogene, but still...).

But that does not affect the new paper much, since they remain refreshingly noncommitted on the things they cannot reliably assess from their data. And data they have a lot. Also always nice to see geography mapped on phylogenetic trees. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 01:19, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * PDFs sent... let me know if need anything else. Sasata (talk) 08:17, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thx :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:39, 7 December 2009 (UTC)