User talk:Casliber/Archive 34

Proposal to extend the editing restrictions placed on User:Communicat
Hello, I have proposed that ArbCom extend the editing restrictions which it placed on at Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and would appreciate your views on this. Thank you Nick-D (talk) 11:49, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Jackdaw blurb
Hi Casliber, I just read through the introductory blurb, and it does seem misleading. Pamela Rasmussen did not "reclassify". What she did was to basically agree with Wolters. She agreed that the epithet Coloeus should be resurrected and elevated to generic status. Wolters first used it in this manner, i.e., as a generic name, here: Die Vogelarten der Erde * Dr.H.E.Wolters* 1982. The Wolters work should be cited in the attributions as well.Steve Pryor (talk) 16:24, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I was unsure of how to word it - you are welcome to add Wolters and rejig it, it is a communal effort. If not I will try to get to it in a few days. My day is turning pear-shaped and free time is evaporating before my eyes.....Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:36, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Eagles and Tolkien
For your delectation (may be more where that came from, haven't looked). Enjoy! :-) Carcharoth (talk) 23:50, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Ahaa - Tolkien adapted the eagle, with stylized feathers and brighter colours, from a picture of an immature Golden Eagle in T. A. Coward's The Birds of the British Isles and Their Eggs (first series, first published 1919 ), necessarily omitting the eagle's dead prey.

J. R. R. Tolkien Artist and Illustrator by Hammond and Scull.

Nice add to Golden Eagle...it was actually pretty obvious really - Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:38, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

GOCE drive invitation
Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors using AWB on 08:50, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Gray-crowned Rosy Finch
I've just 5x expanded this. There are 4 types of rosy finches. None of the wiki articles names have a hyphen between rosy and finch but virtually all of the sources use one. Before listing this at DYK should we rename the wiki articles and use a hyphen? I have a long term plan to expand the other rosy finch articles and maybe an overview article on them. BarkingMoon (talk) 15:13, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Capitalization of the 'f' in finch is not consistent. But other sources seem to usually capitalize the 'r' in Rosy. I am not sure of what wiki rules say about this.BarkingMoon (talk) 15:37, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

The birds wikiproject agreed to follow IOC unless there was a strong reason not to, and it is listed here as Grey-crowned Rosy Finch. Checking the IOC list is worthwhile in cases of doubt...Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:15, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Too bad the world isn't more consistent. Also that IOC list spells it grEy, not grAy, but where the bird lives, western North America, it's spelled grAy. I think I'll leave things as they are. BarkingMoon (talk) 19:18, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It gets better - see Great Northern Loon..... Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:24, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oy vey! I love the call of the loon. Anyway, the gray-crowned rosy finch is at DYK now. Thanks. BarkingMoon (talk) 19:29, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool. BTW another way underdone category is plant articles, so are insects. I get on a bit of a hobbyhorse about plants as something like 90% of weeds are garden escapees. Try looking at some national weed lists and seeing which are stubs. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:32, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Only so many hours in one's life! I don't like bugs, they usually bite me. I like plants too but right now i want to do the other 3 rosy finches and maybe parent article. At least that's the plan. BarkingMoon (talk) 19:36, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Tree shaping proposed decision
All editors' behavior should be looked and going by Elen of the Roads comment that due to family trouble she has been unable study this properly. Elen quote "I have the sense that there have been other people who have been problematic, but not the time to look at it deeper. It's unfortunate" Will you please come and comment here about this. Blackash  have a chat 08:07, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Pholiota communis
Calmer  Waters  08:05, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Spanish general election, 1936
Thanks for the review. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 11:07, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No problemo. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:15, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * That was the article that brought you here? Cool! thx :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:47, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

tuberculosis' FAR
Because of this conversation, Featured article review/Tuberculosis/archive1‎ has been extended for another two weeks. GamerPro64 17:32, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK question
Hi Casliber, can I ask you something? I've reviewed Christine Jorgensen Reveals for DYK and had some problems with the hook. My interaction with Tony the Tiger was not completely satisfactory (the ALT hook they proposed is grammatically challenged, and the entire concept of "most famous woman" doesn't work in this context, in my opinion), and I think someone else should look at the article (which I also find to be on the thin side, both content and quality-wise) and the hook. In other words: may I please be excused? ;) Maybe it tickles your fancy, or maybe you know someone you can shaft with another review... Thanks, Drmies (talk) 20:18, 6 July 2011 (UTC)


 * interesting. digesting. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:27, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Popular culture sections
Hello Casliber -- I've noticed that you are reverting the removal of many "In popular culture" sections that I deleted. The problem is not just that they don't have sources, as my edit summary indicated. They are also unencyclopedic. Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia, not a random collection of trivia. Even if each of the individual trivia items has a reliable source, that does not mean that an "In popular culture" section is warranted. Only topics that have had a significant impact on popular culture, as evidenced by the existence or tertiary sources that review the cultural impact should have such a section. Samurai is an example of a topic that warrants an "In popular culture" section, due to the fact that works have been written on it's broader impact on popular culture. Moloch and Whole-body transplant are not, because nothing of that sort has been written about these. Please do not re-include these sections for articles that do not need them. ~ Mesoderm (talk) 07:51, 7 July 2011 (UTC)


 * (a) several segments you removed had sourcing, hence your edit summaries were sometimes misleading. (b) some of those sections are highly notable (yes I will try to find sources, which is why I tagged some), (c) Re the subjective term "encyclopedic", that is your opinion, not mine. The notability boundaries and even the sourcing guidelines are jus that - guidelines.


 * Now rather than reverting back and forth, I will look for references and reference what I can. I find it easier to hunt and reference material which is there, rather than what isn't. If I don't reference stuff within a week, I won't battle to keep it in. Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:22, 7 July 2011 (UTC)


 * FYI - I take serious issue with the Cyclone Tracy edit - so have started a session at Australian notice board SatuSuro 08:33, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Dr Myko San – Health from Mushrooms
...could benefit from your expertise. LeadSongDog come howl!  13:36, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Tasmanian Devils Cradle Mountain study
Hi Casliber, I've asked the Guild of Copy Editors to look over Tasmanian devil and a question has come up about Menna Jones' and Leon Barmuta's Cradle Mountain study. I was wondering if you originally added the study, or if YellowMonkey did? I can't see that the study supports the text that the copyeditor has pointed out. :( --Malkinann (talk) 23:57, 9 July 2011 (UTC)


 * (groan) not sure- don';t think it was me but I wouldn't stake my life upon it. I meant to get there today but got sidetracked. Free time is a tad unpredictiable these few days a-coming, but will see what I can do. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:15, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I think it was YellowMonkey who added it. Would you like me to email you the paper? We've snipped the sentence for now - we've got stacks of other references in the article which talk about juvenile devils climbing, and it's all in the talk page.  The copyedit has finished - the article wasn't as bad as I feared. :) --Malkinann (talk) 22:23, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * If you want a second pair of eyes, I am happy to have a lookover. Just been busy +++ Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:46, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Your comment at VPR
You said: -I do worry about editor retention and difficulties of use for new editors.

I hope you will weigh in here. In my opinion, ignoring the hundreds of editors who are asking for feedback is far more injurious to editor retention than a simple request that they come up with a single source.

I see the two issues as related. Contributors to FEED are overwhelmed because so much crap is posted there, which means decent material, like this in in danger of being missed.

i am very discouraged that the community is showing so little concern over the problems at FEED, and I see the proposal of Floydian as a positive step.-- SPhilbrick  T  22:10, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * ? - I can't see Floydian's proposal. Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:13, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Seeking your advice about Hope Diamond revamp here
Didn't know you're an Australian; you've visited many countries. Cool. Closest I've been to Australia is New Zealand. I'm working on a revamp and was wondering what you thought; I'm unhappy with the lede paragraph and pictures and other stuff so I'm seeking assistance of good writers like you.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 01:25, 12 July 2011 (UTC)


 * (groan) I hate history merges after sandbox editing like this. I am not keen on quotes in the lead, but otherwise it is an improvement. We can do all this in wikipedia-space....haven't looked further yet. 08:09, 12 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Remove quote from lead or lede whatever. Ok, thanks for that idea. Wondering why you "hate history merges after sandbox editing like this". Because it's hard to compare revisions? I like the freedom to rebuild it; the old article was so clunky. And not sure what you mean by Wikipedia-space -- like a sandbox page off of the Hope Diamond page? I'll probably swap it in maybe Wednesday. Btw The Economist magazine wrote a glowing article about Australia a month back or so, saying that it had made smart reforms perhaps 20 years ago, and they're paying off today; the US is a mess at the moment. A big point was that while Australia used to be "far away" from everything (eg US, Britain) now it's close to where the action is -- Asia, India.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 11:24, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Dash
Casliber, are you still on the dash thing? The present discussion at WT:MOS might benefit from your guidance. Dicklyon (talk) 04:14, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

duckbill?
If that dino is not a duckbill than we have a bad sentence towards the end of the blurb as well. Also, now we have just obscure Latinate at the beginning of the blurb. Is there a common name?TCO (reviews needed) 22:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Gawd, TCO, where were you when the rest of us were looking at dino books as kids? The scientific names have become de facto common names. The larger group is loosely called duckbills, and i was musing on where to link it. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:34, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


 * It's not a T-rex or a Triceratops or a Stego or Brontosaurus though. Unfamiliar name, no?  Not sure the solution if duckbill is wrong, but just important to realize the issue.TCO (reviews needed)  22:38, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Solved - it is a member of this subgroup --> Hadrosaurid i.e. duckbills. So rejigged thusly as this is a familiar name/classification to readers. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:44, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Group hug!TCO (reviews needed) 23:04, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * To be rather pedantic, I think 'duck-billed dinosaur' is more common than 'duck-bill dinosaur'. No comment on whether hyphenation is needed! Carcharoth (talk) 00:14, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * pedantic is fine - agree with change. Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:54, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Black-cheeked Gnateater
Hello! Your submission of Black-cheeked Gnateater at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Oceanh (talk) 02:34, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Oversight please
Please oversight this because it breaches privacy. I have been looking around for a lot of time in wikipedia until i found that there exits such a thing as oversight. I hope you'll help me make sure this private information is removed for ever. Thanks 117.204.92.90 (talk) 13:06, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well spotted and thanks for bringing it to someone's attention. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:14, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Re: reactivating china collaboration
Thanks for the heads up, Casliber. I will contribute to the noticeboard when I get a chance. Cheers. Alex ShihTalk 16:35, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Some bubble tea for you!

 * yes, I like these - countering systemic bias in fast food beverages too. Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:59, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * never had one; I expect it would make me puke. Uncontroversial Obscurity 10:06, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Pangani Longclaw
The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you
I wanted to give you a sincere thank you for all your work in helping to resolve the hyphen/dash issue. It was something that seemed small, silly, or pointless to some people, but was worth resolving. It is editors like you who really make a difference here in Wikipedia. -- Avanu (talk) 21:40, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Heh, thanks. Not finished yet though - still need to make sure that the consensus is reflected in the end draught. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:10, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks from me also, Cas. And yes: there is a little way to go. Please look at the new subsection I have just made at WT:MOS: Summary; final request to complete discussion; and notice of a final draft. If we can secure everyone's good will (or at least their restraint), we can settle this. Your monitoring over the next 24 hours – and beyond, when I have put forward a proposed consensual draft – will be crucial. I hope you will find time to attend to this, since we have had little input from any other admin or ArbCom member. N oetica Tea? 03:18, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Noetica's present draft does not, of course, represent consensus; it ignores all minority opinions whatsoever, except in the case of ex–prime minister, (See the dash poll, section 5b) where there is a majority against requiring that form. (There is a majority to recommend it and make it optional, which would be acceptable.) Nobody who believes, as Noetica has said, that a clear majority is consensus should be judging consensus, anyway; but to endorse a minority view and call it consensus? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:40, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Fernbirds
I am responding here because there are several questions implicit to your observations.

First, the easiest, the Chatham Fernbird. The answer is that regardless of the generic name it should not be considered a specific entity. There is insufficient material to surmise that it should be so distinguished among all of the other subspecific entities that now make up the Fernbird. It is considered simply an extinct race of Bowdleria [Megalurus] punctatus. Since rufescens was the largest race, and with certain plumage features including a lot of white ventrally, and on the throat, several hypotheses as to its relationship have been floated, including a presumptive affinity with Megalurulus rufus (a viewpoint that having read much of the literature I tend to discount on biogeographical reasons). It is implicitly on the IOC list, however, the main list does not list the races. It is, however, on the IOC race list, as the extinct race rufescens.

As to the taxonomy, well, this is rather a sticky wicket. Bowdleria was demoted and the affected birds subsumed within Megalurus principally because punctatus was found in DNA-hybridization studies to cluster closely with M. timoriensis, and M. gramineus. Recently, however, the relationships within Megalurus sensu IOC, et alia., have been called into question with this paper: "Alström, P., S. Fregin, J.A. Norman, P.G.P. Ericson, L. Christidis, and and U. Olsson (2011b), Multilocus analysis of a taxonomically densely sampled dataset reveal extensive non-monophyly in the avian family Locustellidae, Mol. Phylogenet. Evol. 58, 513-526". It is a relatively new paper, and I am still trying to get a hold of a copy of it. So new that though the likely upshot may be the resurrection of Bowdleria, other people need time to digest what the implications of this paper are, and to decide on what to do about it. One possible scenario is that the outlier of the DNA workup, and the reason that the group as now understood is polyphyletic is that Megalurus palustris does not cluster with the others in the group, and since M. palustris is the type-name giver of the genus, well, it means that if it remains as a stand-alone taxon in Megalurus that all the other specific entities now placed in Megalurus will need another generic name (or more than one if there is a redistribution among more than one existing genera, something that is entirely possible).

Casliber, to reiterate, the upshot is that Bowdleria may well be resurrected for the Fernbird, however, the paper above is just so recent that the jury is still out and people still have to weigh in on it and decide what they want to do with these birds.Steve Pryor (talk) 14:36, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I can get fulltexts of that journal - just in the middle of something but will take a look and have a little think about it. If i can get it I'll let you know...Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:45, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


 * If you can, it would be appreciated. One last observation, and it is one that might give a bit of hope to those that would wish rufescens a good species.  There is another race that some would view as being sufficiently different for morphology to be worthy of splitting, it is the Snares Is. race caudatus.  If they do split it, then not only for morphological reasons, but in particular, for biogeographical reasons, it would seem to be difficult to me to avoid splitting rufescens as a good species.  If you look at the locations of these two island groups, I am sure you will see what I mean.Steve Pryor (talk) 15:26, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Steve - I hope you have the same email you sent me stuff on in 2009 as I have got article and sent. Let me know. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:18, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Casliber, it almost certainly bounced. I did away with one of my gmail accounts, the one that I was using as my main account then.  My current account is:  deleted here

I will come back in a couple days and delete this out when I know you have it. Please resend, and thank you!Steve Pryor (talk) 06:43, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Cas, thanks I got it.Steve Pryor (talk) 08:12, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool - I scotched that edit with the email in it. Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Majority rule?
Do we run by majority rule? My impression of policy has always been that we don't.

Would you care to comment on this discussion; it seems to me to express what makes MOS so turbulent more clearly than it has been put elsewhere. I am considering asking about this point of policy from higher authority, but it occurs to me that your opinion would be valuble first. You may be justified in reserving it, so as not to recuse later; if so, do let me know. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:27, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for commenting; but I must disagree: If we have more rules, it's only because newbies make up rules of their own, which ignore the ones we already have. But you may see this again shortly, under your other hat. Septentrionalis PMAnderson

Grant Morrison photo
Hi. Your opinion on what would be the best photo for the Infobox in the Grant Morrison article is requested here. If you could take the time to participate, it would be greatly appreciated, but if you cannot, then disregard; you don't have to leave a note on my talk page either way. Nightscream (talk) 01:32, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Sanctuary season 1 GAN
Hello, I was just wondering when, or if, you continue reviewing Sanctuary (season 1), it's just that I haven't heard any additional feedback from you in over two weeks. Thanks. -- Matthew RD 09:25, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh crap! Sorry I forgot. Will get to it in the next couple of hours. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:40, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the Barnstar!
It's the first acknowledgement I get. Cheers! --Canyq (talk) 15:14, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


 * heh, see now I can see your userpage so I can say, "de nada", and you'll know what it means. But I don't actually speak Spanish anyway so that was more of a gesture of...I don't know what really.... :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:22, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Dashes: consensus reached!
Hi Cas.

We have finished a draft for inclusion in WP:MOS, and it requires your attention as the ArbCom member with oversight of the matter. Would you please deal with this, when it is convenient?

Best wishes,

N oetica Tea? 13:35, 23 July 2011 (UTC)


 * damn - just trying to finish some RL issues...Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:57, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * That is to say, one factious editor has compiled a draft, and ignored all criticism ; the usual small clique has supported this misbehavior, and the draft is filled with the usual demands for mandatory use of dashes with which this process began. We've had two polls, and on each of them half of those polled has opposed mandatory use of dashes; JeffConrad has shown at some length that the draft misrepresents the sources: see WP:MOS, for much more, and a list of objections, including Kwamikagami's


 * If it would help, three texts have been proposed which make better sense and have more support than this: Kotniski's draft; Tony's original proposal; [|The Simple English Wikipedia] paragraph covering all these issues (which Art LaPella brought up on WT:MOS. (The last would need a sentence saying that dashed compounds are preferred in certain conditions; but it would still be shorter than anything else, and uncontroversial.) Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:26, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Casliber, is it safe to assume that with this resolution of the en dash guidelines, the moratorium on moves between hyphen and en dash is no longer in effect? Dicklyon (talk) 04:25, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Paxillus involutus
... is just about ready for FAC I think. I will be leaving in a day or two for about a week, but will help out with the FAC when I return. I stubbed Julius Schäffer to get rid of the redlink; there's probably a DYK in there, but there's slim pickings on the interweb... feel free to try if you think you can scrape up a bit more info. Sasata (talk) 17:58, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Great - will nominate. These things are usually slow to get started so probably won't see some action for a few days. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:21, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Black-cheeked Gnateater
Hello! Your submission of Black-cheeked Gnateater at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Materialscientist (talk) 06:00, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

POV
Cas, I deleted this. Given the allegations of criminality made in the deleted text, should it be erased completely? Or since it's only accessible to the incorruptible (!) is it OK for it to stay? If the former, who has the power to do the deed?

Completely unrelated, and probably canvassing, Corn Crake is in danger of falling off the bottom of FAC, any chance of a review?  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  06:12, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Regarding (1), yes I think it is oversightable. It falls under "Libelous/potentially libelous statements". I am taking care of it. (2) I have been meaning to take a look. Been busy. I will see how it can be improved. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:17, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Archaeopteryx
HI Cas, if you have 5 minutes to look at Talk:Archaeopteryx I'd like hear your thoughts Gnangarra 01:58, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

ARKive
I think that this is not going to be sorted out there soon. There are several issues. Where are the policies on merging and adding free content to the wiki? What happens next? Snowman (talk) 15:51, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There are some options, one of which is a Requests for comment. On an article level, I am curious to see how this might help develop an article. I am thinking that maybe improving Hyacinth Macaw to GA or FA and looking back and seeing if it helped us is a good experiment. As well, I think we should look at the least developed bird article we have (i.e. the one with the greatest difference to on of theirs) and import and improve and see what we think. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:52, 29 July 2011 (UTC)


 * PS: I think examining the secondary sources will give us an opportunity to see how accurate they have been too. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:53, 29 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, I think that the discussion may be gaining its own momentum, because some contributors are beginning to advance the discussion over there. Watchful waiting. What could "Wikipedia:Requests for comment" achieve? Snowman (talk) 22:44, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The problem on wikipedia is that many discussion only attract a handful of users. The RFC tag is a way of alerting a wider audience. It also has an inbuilt option in that an admin is required to "close" the debate and summarise the findings. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:51, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that it would be a good idea if the discussion had an adjudicator/assessor for final summing up. I have had a look at "Wikipedia:Requests for comment", but it looks like it is mainly concerned with user behaviour or disagreements. Is "Wikipedia:Requests for comment" the right place for an opinion on the long discussion on the ARKive project? I think that the discussion has turned up some issues which ARKive should address, and some Wiki guidelines in which some Wiki editors see loopholes. Snowman (talk) 19:27, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I have a bit of a cold/flu at present (middle of winter here) so have been sleeping rather than editing. I need to read up on what has been happening. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:52, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I am sorry to hear that you have not been well. In effect I have asked the ARKive project to assess the discussion so far. Snowman (talk) 21:15, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks - it's nothing that a bit of extra sleep and a bit of paracetamol and smidgen of codeine can't fix :) I saw that. I will fetch Web of Science database for Hyacinth Macaw now. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:32, 30 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Have you got anything on this from the Hyacinth Macaw Wiki article?; "The acuri nut is so hard that the parrots cannot feed on it until it has passed through the digestive system of cattle.[5]". How many cattle are there in the Pantanal? In-line citation is a dead link. This video on YouTube apparently shows a macaw in a tree eating a clean acuri nut. Snowman (talk) 19:21, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * My first idea was to look in Forshaw, but there isn't that much in there. I will try to find some fulltexts from the articles on the talk page. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:32, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Grevillea cyranostigma
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 03:20, 29 July 2011 (UTC) 23:28, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Papyrus Westcar
Hi there. I have worked hard on this article and now i wonder if it`s ready for "Did you know". What do you mean? Regards; --Nephiliskos (talk) 22:11, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * DYK requires an editor to almost "ambush" an article - i.e. it has to be expanded five-fold  in five days to be eligible, and this is not the case with this one, sorry. One thing to aim for is Good Article status - but have a look at the Good article criteria first and try to fix everything you think may need fixing. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:21, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for your reply. I´ll go and study and then try. Regards; --Nephiliskos (talk) 12:42, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Signing reminder
Hi, just a reminder: you forgot to sign your review of Template talk:Did you know/Roman amphitheatre. I have no idea if you can just do one signature for the whole thing or if you have to individually sign each item. M AN d ARAX •  XAЯA b ИA M  17:53, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * oops! Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:57, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

I would love to
Housekeeping is certainly one of my specialties and I would love to work on it, I'll start soon!

DYK
Thanks for the review of Template talk:Did you know/Roman amphitheatre. It's not a very good article, I'm afraid; what it lacks is some discussion of architectural variants, construction etc., but Bomgardner's work (the only one I have access to at the moment) addresses this only in the discussion of individual venues, so it's hard to do without synthesis. You left some advice ("Recommend looking at it", "Just compare..."); is this addressed to me or to other reviewers?

I've reviewed your Template talk:Did you know/Entoloma bloxamii in return; there is an issue with one of the refs I've mentioned there.  Sandstein  21:34, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * (a) I meant that for you - you have the book, I don't - so just double check - I changed one sentence as I can see page 37-38 in google books and thought the wording veered on the too-similar (this whole process is a tightrope walk between OR on one side and copyvio on the other!) - if you're statisfied, then I am happy to AGF on it. (b) Ok - will look.Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:27, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 July newsletter
We are half way through the penultimate round of this year's WikiCup; there is less than a month to go before we have our final 8. Our pool leaders are (Pool A, 189 points) and  (Pool B, 165 points). The number of points required to reach the next round is not clear at this time; there are some users who still do not have any recorded points. Please remember to update your submissions' pages promptly. In addition, congratulations to PresN, who scored the first featured topic points in the competition for his work on Thatgamecompany related articles. Most points this round generally have, so far, come from good articles, with only one featured article (White-bellied Sea Eagle, from ) and two featured lists (Hugo Award for Best Graphic Story, from PresN and Grammy Award for Best Native American Music Album, from ). Points for Did You Know and good article reviews round out the scoring. No points have been awarded for In the News, good topics or featured pictures this round, and no points for featured sounds or portals have been awarded in the entire competition. On an unrelated note, preparation will be beginning soon for next year's WikiCup- watch this space!

There is little else to be said beyond the usual. Please list anything you need reviewing on WikiCup/Reviews, so others following the WikiCup can help, and please do help if you can by providing reviews for the articles listed there. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews generally at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup- points are, of course, offered for reviews at GAC. Two final notes: Firstly, please remember to state your participation in the WikiCup when nominating articles at FAC. Finally, some WikiCup-related statistics can be seen here and here. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 11:24, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Chicago
Thanks for the nom. We could use a return to GA. It would be a never-ending job for any one editor to do it. I'll see how I can help.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:24, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Further acrimony on the MOS page
Hi Casliber. At Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style you wrote "Any further acrimony on the MOS page will be taken very dimly". I know you are busy, but could you please give me some advice about how to proceed when faced with the unfortunate events witnessed there today? I don't feel that further lock-down is appropriate since editing of the page has stopped, however the personal attacks and reverting editing against consensus by one editor do appear to be going against the generally good spirit of consensus-building seen there since you unlocked the page. Thanks for any attention you can give this. GFHandel &#9836; 01:51, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I think that by "reverting against consensus by one editor" he probably meant "editing against consensus by one editor"; I did the reverting of Pmanderson's edits, which seems to have been the consensus thing to do; his disruption then extended to calling us both liars, which is characteristically incivil of him. Is there any simple way to constrain such behavior?  Dicklyon (talk) 05:44, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Minor help
Cas, as a respected admin sort, would you be so kind as to watchlist a couple articles, notably Horses in warfare (HIW) and saddle? Relatively new user doesn't seem to understand WP:MOS, WP:UNDUE and WP:AGF very well, is doing some minor POV-pushing on Japanese-related themes, but the real problem is getting a bit hot under the collar whenever questioned, and dragging random others in, one of whom warned Ealdgyth, of all people, about "edit warring" over at HIW. User:causa sui locked down saddle for a bit, at my RfP request (but warned ME about "edit warring" too...sigh). Anyway, someone who is a calm hand like yourself, has been around the horse articles some, and knows the usual forms that wiki-drama takes when WPEQ is involved would be welcomed to at least lurk and keep an eye on things, including maybe the contribs list and talk page of the new user in question. I can be such a crab sometimes, but I think on this round I've tried to be patient more than usual. Need more eyes on these. Thanks. Montanabw (talk) 04:55, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Aargh. Got a cold/flu at present and slept more than I expected - will see if I can take a look later today :/ Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:10, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Your GA review of Białystok
I came across this article because I saw it listed at FAC and decided to take a look. It seems to be to be rather poorly written and not to meet the GA prose criterion in my opinion. What's your view? Malleus Fatuorum 16:02, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Sometimes when reviewing for GA I modify my strictness on aspects such as prose and comprehensiveness, so for a person I know will be gunning for FA I will try to give it as far a shove as possible in the right direction. If an editor who I do not recognise, I will try to cut them some slack to get them interested in the whole Auditing process. That said, I concede I somehow missed the first glaring grammar error you pointed out - looking at the version as it was after I had a bit of a tinker. The "Stone Age" sentence I can't see in that one so has been readded. Yes the immigration sentence was there, and the defensive castle. "After the war the city became part of newly independent Second Polish Republic" I can't see in the version I reviewed, but the last one was (oops). Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:03, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * (sigh) yeah, this is a problem. I'll see if we can do some reeducating...the first article I ever took to FAC failed.Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:03, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't expect perfection at GAN either, but neither do I expect to see the kind of glaring errors this article is riddled with. I think it's either got to be fixed up or delisted. Malleus Fatuorum 21:06, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, ok. Some were nestled in a stream of text but most were pretty glaring. I will take a look at the page and see if I can clean things up a bit (including how I missed them in the first place..). Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:11, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I think you've got your work cut out in trying to save this one Casliber; the more you look at it the worse it gets: "The city has both professional and amateur sports teams, and a number of venues where they are based. Jagiellonia Białystok is a Polish football club, based in Białystok, in the Ekstraklasa League that plays at the Białystok City Stadium". Malleus Fatuorum 01:24, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You're a WikiCup contestant; do you think that may have clouded your judgement? Malleus Fatuorum 01:29, 3 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I know - it gets worse, this bit I changed was paraphrasing the source way too closely. I've changed it but we really need some other sources to get a well-rounded picture to write it better. Yep, I was looking at it thinking, "fuckity, fuckity, fuck", I fucked up. I have recommended it be withdrawn from FAC and I wouldn't oppose a GA review either. I'll post on WP:Poland to see if some folks have some sources etc. 01:34, 3 August 2011 (UTC)


 * No, not a wikicup issue as I've tried to keep and eye on GAN and review here and there to keep the flow-through, more a limited-time-plus-too-hurried, focussing on some other issues and being sloppy and missing some obvious stuff, and too much AGF with sourcing. I have always been a bit of a slob which is why I value obsessive people here who keep me on track with content here. I think being lenient here backfired in a big way. 01:34, 3 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd be inclined to delist it right now, but I'm prepared to leave it for a few days and then start a community GAR if you don't agree. Malleus Fatuorum 01:42, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought about this for a few minutes and I am thinking thusly - I posted to WP:Poland and requested help. If at least one or two Polish editors can help with the content, and I can copyedit, then I think it is worth holding off GAR for a few days and seeing how it eventuates. If no-one does, I can't copyedit the article to the extent it needs without a chance of muffing the meaning, in which case it should be discussed and probably delisted. So my advice would be to leave it and come back in 48 hours and see if some Polish editors have joined in and we can take it from there. Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:57, 3 August 2011 (UTC)


 * OK with me. But if it's not significantly improved in the next few days I'll be looking to have it delisted. Malleus Fatuorum 02:04, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:11, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Black-cheeked Gnateater
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:02, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Soon
if you give me about one more day, I'll be ready to unveil my list of proposals to you, I'm really optimistic! Magister Scienta talk  (3 August 2011) 


 * sure, ok. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:06, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

WP: JUDAISM Collaboration
Well I see you discovered the collaboration page, I was planning to show it to you today once it had some structure to it. As I'm sure you could tell it was still a worki-in-progress and there were many things I had left to, I only created the /history page a few hours ago. i hope that the basic structure of it is something like you envisioned, you may need some great changes I hadn't even thought of, but I hope your'e pleased with what it looks like so far. Also, I think that we should include a tab for the collaboration page on the WP:JUDAISM project pages. Comments? Magister Scienta talk  (3 August 2011) 

Abortion articles discussion
I saw your comment about what the committee can do. I have some possible ideas, but I have no idea if they are any good. Possibly stalling and see if it still seems like an issue in a week or two. Ruling on the med cab closure. Possibly ruling that the matter should be dropped for a few months. just some ideas - this one seems tougher than I thought when I initially got involved. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 20:31, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm glad you like it
I think though you perhaps misunderstood my intentions, when I referred to it as "WP: JEW Collaboration", I meant to indicate that a collaboration which was part of WikiProject Judaism (often abbreviated to as WP; JEW or WP: JUDAISM) was being revived. Also the template I created, and subsequently moved after your advice to a more suitable name, is not intended to display the current Collaboration. It was intended to be put at the bottom of each month's votes and nominations so that when looking back through historical collaborations, it would be visually obvious to see which article was chosen for that particular month. In any case, I apologize for the ambiguity of both situations. Magister Scienta talk  (3 August 2011) 


 * Aha, ok. Oh well, strike that last comment then :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:56, 4 August 2011 (UTC)


 * So should our current objective be to have a Collaboration for the month of September? Magister Scienta talk  (4 August 2011) 


 * Okay, i think the best place to discuss this is the collaboration talk page. Will post there shortly. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:34, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Pink Robin
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:04, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for White-rumped Robin
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:05, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for White-winged Robin
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:06, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for White-browed Robin
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:06, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Slaty Robin
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:07, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Grey-headed Robin
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:07, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Black-chinned Robin
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:07, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ashy Robin
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:08, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Black-sided Robin
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:08, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Black-throated Robin
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:09, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Eopsaltria
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:11, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Greetings from Cooktown
Hi again! Good to hear from you. I was just thinking maybe you should write to our friend Sandra LLoyd,who is the passionate Curator of the Cooktown Botanic Gardens - she would probably be of more help than I could be. She is a botanist and an excellent photographer and I am sure she would be happy to help you. Here is her email address; sandylloyd@activ8.net.au or at work at: botanic.gardens@cook.qld.gov.au. Do write to her and feel free to say I suggested you contact her. Best of luck with it all. John Hill (talk) 21:53, 6 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Good idea. Will do so posthaste :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:58, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Request of Assistance
In some ways, I am a fairly new editor, although my start date was in 2006, I really didn't start messing with Wikipedia until late last year. The reason I mention this, is that getting to know the Wikipedia culture and jargon can be a bit of a task. Occasionally an editor can have negative interactions with admins, and often positive interactions with them as well.

The reason I write you today is regarding what I see as a fundamental issue in Wikipedia with Civility. I've seen your efforts (Casliber and Newyorkbrad) in Wikipedia and from what I can tell you are fair minded and rational when it comes to evaluating situations, so I thought I would bring this to you.


 * Editor A makes a user page that contains some degree of political statement and essay on politics, which admins discover and say it is WP:UP and WP:SOAPBOX and a violation of BLP. A discussion ensues in MfD which Admin A closes (with some discretion) in favor of deletion.  A deletion review occurs, where again, it is closed by Admin B (with some discretion) in favor of continued deletion.  A discussion is brought to AN/I regarding these events.


 * Editor B feels that these admins applied discretion inappropriately and creates a user page called "AdminWatch" listing 4 diffs with the heading "poor admin actions", along with an intro saying that admins need to be held accountable. Before 18 hours have passed, this user page is then speedily deleted without warning by an admin involved in the prior AN/I discussion.


 * So begins the drama, over whether Editor B created a "shitlist" or is simply documenting administrative actions with an eye toward accountability. The "AdminWatch" page is temporarily undeleted pending a deletion review, after some discussion, this is closed by an admin in favor of keep (because of the contentiousness), who then immediately puts it up for deletion via an MfD.


 * So essentially we have two camps. Those who unequivocally see this as a "shitlist" and those who feel that recording records of admin actions that we disagree with should be allowed in the spirit of permissible dissent.  "AdminWatch" as it stood 18 hours after its creation ( here ) and "AdminWatch" now ( here ), slightly modified to try and excise any perception of personal attack.

Neither version strikes me as bad. But, the greater issue here, in my opinion, is whether an individual editor is allowed to record what they perceive as 'bad' actions done via the admin tools. Several editors say "we have forums and noticeboards for that, it should be enough. Other editors say, if you're recording an overall or chronic pattern, you can't always immediately bring it to those venues.

The editor that began the "AdminWatch" page has been in Wikipedia for 5 years, with a clean history and seems to be generally willing to compromise, so I'm personally puzzled by the hard-edged reactions I've seen, and I would like to find a way to accomodate realistic criticism in Wikipedia without it becoming so contentious. I almost feel that this rises to the level of needing ArbCom intervention. Any suggestions? -- Avanu (talk) 05:07, 8 August 2011 (UTC) (cc'd to Newyorkbrad)

DYK for Leucopogon ericoides
Materialscientist (talk) 08:04, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Main page appearance
Hello! This is a note to let the main editors of this article know that it will be appearing as the main page featured article on August 20, 2011. You can view the TFA blurb at Today's featured article/August 20, 2011. If you think it is necessary to change the main date, you can request it with the featured article directors or his delegate, or at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests. If the previous blurb needs tweaking, you might change it—following the instructions of the suggested formatting. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :D Thanks! Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions.  04:10, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

 

A cockatoo is any of the 21 species belonging to the bird family Cacatuidae within the parrot order Psittaciformes. They range from the Philippines and the eastern Indonesian islands of Wallacea to New Guinea, the Solomon Islands and Australia. Instantly recognisable by their showy crests and curved bills, cockatoos are generally larger than other parrots. Their plumage is mainly white, grey, or black, and often with coloured features in the crest, cheeks, or tail. Cockatoos prefer to eat seeds, tubers, corms, fruit, flowers and insects. They often feed in large flocks, particularly when ground-feeding. Cockatoos are monogamous and nest in tree hollows. Some cockatoo species have been adversely affected by habitat loss, particularly that of suitable nesting hollows when large, mature trees are cleared; conversely, some species have adapted well to human changes and are considered agricultural pests. (more...)

inre User:MichaelQSchmidt/Newcomer's guide to guidelines
You are cordially invited to User:MichaelQSchmidt/Newcomer's guide to guidelines as I feel its going live is imminent and I value additional eyes and input.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 01:00, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

American White Ibis and Barnstar
Hi, Casliber. There's still quite of work to do at Talk:American White Ibis/GA1, which you've working to rescue after the nominator appeared. However, I'm game if you are. --Philcha (talk) 10:06, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks - alot of the ibis article was expanded by a new user, I tagged along finding more stuff and expanding more...but now some re-reading and more buffing is needed. Do-able but need a bit of time....Casliber (talk ·contribs) 11:47, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * heys. i see that the american white ibis is currently being reviewed. is there anything i can do to help? What are the things that require adjustments? sorry for being away for so long. im currently doing marine research on an island now and internet is limitedbenongyx (talk) 04:20, 15 Aug 2011 (UTC)

This reminds me of your rescue of Talk:Rufous-crowned Sparrow/GA1. I'm alos very aware of your other achievements, including a recent dust-up at Arbcom. So:

A beer for you!

 * Just so hard trying to figure interesting hooks for some of them.....Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:22, 12 August 2011 (UTC).

Tree shaping
Have you seen what has just happened at 'Tree shaping'? After a very thorough discussion SilkTork has summarily closed the move request with 'No action'. I agree that it was a good idea to go to the extent of making a formal move request but something rotten is going on here. Martin Hogbin (talk) 22:24, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Cassytha glabella
The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

The Naked Monster DYK
Its always quite cool when something nominated for deletion survives to make it to the front page as a DYK. Many thanks,  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 17:12, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Entoloma bloxamii
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Xylomelum pyriforme
Hello! Your submission of Xylomelum pyriforme at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Prioryman (talk) 07:10, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks...
... for reviewing my article, you were a massive help. Do you think that, if I expanded it some more, I could get it to FA? Atomician (talk) 06:24, 17 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep - one thing it'll need - nothing in the lead should need an inline ref as all material in the lead should be in hte body of the article (where the references should be). Will think of other issues soon. Independent eyes are good. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:41, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You mean to say that I should get rid of all references, or can I "ref name" them? Atomician (talk) 06:45, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, what I mean is, the inline references aren't necessary in the lead, as all should be elsewhere in the article where the material is. I'll show you in the article. Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:42, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Acacia falcata
Hello! Your submission of Acacia falcata at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Smokeybjb (talk) 16:25, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Lepidosperma laterale
r ʨ anaɢ (talk) 16:06, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Dota 2 peer review
Hello, I created a peer review for Dota 2 recently and I would very much like to hear your input for improvement., since you listed yourself as a reliable reference for RPGs on the Everyday Life page. D arth B otto talk•cont 17:03, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK swap request
Hi, I was wondering if you could exchange the lead hooks from Queue 5 and Prep area 3. I believe Crisco intended to put Rosendale Theatre in prep area 2 anyway, because the article was being retained for August 19, New York time. Thank you. --Gyrobo (talk) 21:29, 18 August 2011 (UTC)


 * okay, swapped now. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:59, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --Gyrobo (talk) 22:55, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

TB
 S ven M anguard  Wha?  00:18, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Request for unprotection
Hi Casliber. A couple months ago you protected Ricardo Gabriel Álvarez per my request in WP:RFPP. Now that the speculation concerning this footballer's transfer has ended, I don't see a reason to keep the page protected. If you agree, please unprotect the article.

Thanks. Regards. Fache (talk) 17:20, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * okay, done. Let me know if there are any problems. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:47, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Astroloma humifusum
Gatoclass (talk) 00:04, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Dysoxylum pettigrewianum
Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Carl Linnaeus/GA1
Hey. Just checking to see what's up with this review. It started off well with your comments reponded to, now no one's posted anything in a month. Hopefully it can be wrapped up soon. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 15:01, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Xylomelum pyriforme
Calmer  Waters  00:02, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Acacia falcata
Calmer  Waters  00:04, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

WP:DGAF
Thanks for protecting Don't-give-a-fuckism from further moves for the time being. I've come here because the protected tag which I believe you placed in the essay says that the essay may still be edited, but I'm finding that I can't edit it, and I'd be grateful if you might look into that. My interest arises because there is what one might call an orphan of a recent edit in the essay, in the section title "Expressing your I-just-don't-careism": this was a change introduced in a general "censoring" of the essay in this diff, reverted in this diff, but re-instated in this diff, and now stands out like a sore thumb. Thanks for your time. Nortonius (talk) 10:36, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, unprotected now. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:41, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That's great, thank you! Nortonius (talk) 12:16, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem. Glad to be of service :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:17, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Yellow-billed Spoonbill
Materialscientist (talk) 08:02, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

:Did you know nominations/Scarlet-backed Flowerpecker
Hi there is a problem with your DYK nomination see Template:Did you know nominations/Scarlet-backed Flowerpecker Jim Sweeney (talk) 14:24, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Cuban Friendship Urn
Hi. This is a very small thing, but given the way small things get blown out of proportion at DYK these days, I figure I'd best not take unilateral action to fix it. I was surprised to see that I didn't get a DYK credit for Cuban Friendship Urn, after I extensively edited the article and nominated it for DYK (giving myself a "DYKmake" template instead of "DYKnom" because of my contributions to the article), then defended it at DYK. From the edit history, it appears to me that the failure to copy the "DYKmake" to the prep area was just one of those small mistakes we all make from time to time. So, please can I haz the DYK credit? --Orlady (talk) 16:21, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Gosh, sorry about that. Will remedy posthaste...Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:40, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. (Smile). --Orlady (talk) 02:02, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Could you please add a few of my copyedits to the hooks you are moving out of Prep?
I can't edit Queue, but you and I had edit conflicts as I was trying to improve some hooks still in prep:


 * ... that Hugo Steinhaus (pictured) "discovered" Stefan Banach and helped to re-establish Polish mathematics at the University of Wrocław after World War II?
 * ... that Tadeusz Szeligowski (pictured) studied composition with Nadia Boulanger and orchestration with Paul Dukas?
 * ... that Rod Stewart forgot the name of the mandolin player for his song "Mandolin Wind"?

Use you own judgment of course, and thanks for making up queues!  Sharktopus  talk 21:22, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry missed the boat - lots of RL chores intervened. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 26 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Really, thanks so much for all you are already doing.   Sharktopus  talk  02:40, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Daggers
I will resist the temptation to template you, but I found your voting suggestion there to be very unhelpful. Without a clear understanding of what exactly folks are voting for, or any kind of rationale for votes, such an effort is pretty meaningless. See also WP:NOTVOTE if you haven't already. Cheers, --John (talk) 02:44, 26 August 2011 (UTC)


 * (a) they are pretty clear yes/no questions.Furthermore,other uses (like the football use) can be further itemised at the bottom.


 * (b) each has a discussion section for relevant and concise discussion


 * (c) I can't imagine that anyone in their wildest dreams would see a morass or wallof text as easier to determine consensus with - really.This way we can get a fuller determination and wider participation and make some sense of it at the end.


 * (d) I can't resist........go on,what were you going to template me with. I couldn't even begin to figure that oneout. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:48, 26 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I disagree with you on specifics related to your points (a)-(c) above. Seems to me the failure to require a rationale or specifics of what usage we should recommend are the two most obvious failings in designing a strawpoll on a MoS page. Perhaps you could amend it to make the exercise more focused towards finding a solution. A badly designed strawpoll will only polarize the debate without leading to any real discussion, in my view.


 * Here's the template, I have noticed it but I have never used it before. It's pretty indicative that it's considered bad form when we actually have a specific template warning against what you've done, nicht wahr? Anyway, maybe food for thought for you.

Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your comments. Please note that, on Wikipedia, consensus is determined by discussion, not voting, and it is the quality of arguments that counts, not the number of people supporting a position. Consider reading about the deletion policy for a brief overview of the deletion process and how we decide what to keep and what to delete. We hope you decide to stay and contribute even more. Thank you! --John (talk) 05:55, 26 August 2011 (UTC)


 * That's a pretty non-templateylooking template. I was expecting something fancy with a cartoonised polling booth, voting card, stop sign, big hand all in big red attention-grabbing text. Ah well. May as well continue discussion over there. I'll add a template of my own. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:39, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

A little concerned
On your DYKing of Eugenics in Singapore. I suspect you've heard of the One-child policy (of China). Somehow that article is not titled Eugenics in China, and the word eugenics only appears once in it. (The topic of eugenics in China might be independently notable though, but still family planning does not equal eugenics, except maybe on WorldNetDaily ). You should be aware there's a RfCU on the creator of that Singapore article for--among other things--"extreme POV". FuFoFuEd (talk) 00:14, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

And I see I'm not the first to be concerned about that. FuFoFuEd (talk) 00:51, 27 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree with the move to FP in Singapore. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:41, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Miami DYK
Thanks for the note on the DYK of the Miami article. Wondering if you'd like to chime in on my concern about that Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know -- Fuzheado | Talk 16:19, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Sunday sleep-in
Many thanks for your early morning help and advice on the Red-headed Honeyeater. You mustn't like to lie about in bed on Sunday mornings ;-) Marj (talk) 22:07, 27 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Nah, I also posted a DYK nomination for it (as a 5x expansion) - this is good as more eyes will look at it. I was musing on getting Crescent Honeyeater buffed to GA as well....Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:02, 27 August 2011 (UTC)


 * As a DYK I liked the idea that these tiny birds fight by grappling and fall almost to the ground. Marj (talk) 01:40, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Aaah right, good alternative hook. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:47, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hacking River
Courcelles 08:02, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Involved
You are "involved" in MOS debates and should be recusing as an arb on any related topics. Gimmetoo (talk) 10:51, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You're right - I forgot I recused on this one. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:15, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK nominations reviews
Hi Casliber,

I see that you're an active reviewer of DYKs, would you mind taking a look at the two below. It would be much appreciated, not to worry if you can't. Thank you.


 * Template:Did you know nominations/The Longford Trust‎
 * Template:Did you know nominations/Edward Fitzgerald (barrister)

Kind regards, -- Ratio: Scripta  · [ Talk ] 18:09, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll take a look. Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:49, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

American White Ibis

 * hey. not sure if you got my message but I would like to help with the review process for the american white ibis. i wrote a message to you on the american white ibis section but i didnt get a response from you. i thought i might catch u in this section instead. do get back to me on how i can help. i was primarily not about to help at the start because i was doing marine research on an island i had limited internet access. hope to hear from you soon. cheers.benongyx (talk ·) 01:55, 29 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.7.237.25 (talk)

Thank you
Hi Casliber, Thanks for helping out on the articles and pointing me in the direction of the improve your writing essays I shall have a read of them later today. Thanks again.

Kind regards, -- Ratio: Scripta  · [ Talk ] 06:18, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK problem
Hello! Your submission at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Joe Chill (talk) 03:55, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Tylopilus
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   15:17, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup/History/2011/Submissions/Casliber
See my edit. J Milburn (talk) 10:59, 31 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, ok. I think it might be more useful in hte next round (a five point head start! mwahahahaaa......) Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:09, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Millwall
I saw that you have edited Millwall pages. Do you support Millwall.

User talk:2013harry, 19.42, 11 September 2011(UTC)

Got a Sockpuppet, Need a Checkuser
Hey Casliber, I need some help with a sock. Take a look at User:Jonnybooth and User:Algibson, especially their edits to the page List of United States cable and satellite television networks. Just that behavior alone is indicative of sockpuppetry. Algibson claims they aren't one-in-the-same (don't they all?) which raises my suspicions more. But since you are the admin, I thought I would let you make the call on this one. Can you help by doing a CU just on the behavioral part of their edits? Thanks... Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 08:03, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * hmmm. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:17, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * So....what'd you find? -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 13:10, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I paused as was around first, so it was unnecessary for him to make a new account  as he probably wouldn't have thought there'd be an edit war. I also noted the point of contention was mentioned in the source but as a distributor not an owner, so I figured it is a genuine mistake and added the distributor in the next column. Let's see if this settles it. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:14, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for the message regarding the DYK for Frankie Edgar vs. Gray Maynard. -- James26 (talk) 21:09, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Heh, no problem :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:13, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

CU
Hey Casliber, you have CU access right? I was wondering if you can check the CU status of 69.237.119.134 and banned user. The editing pattern and the vociferous addition of negative content over Madonna (entertainer) is kinda tingling me that this might be a sock. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 18:01, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I see the SPI so that's a good place to proceed :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:10, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Banksia plagiocarpa
Thank you from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 08:03, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Scarlet-backed Flowerpecker
Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Red-headed Honeyeater
Orlady (talk) 16:03, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Re. Colchester
Hi Casliber

Just for information "an historic" is good pom English and is equaly valid with "a historic". We like to leave it as written. Regards. --Charles (talk) 09:38, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Reminds me of all those American shows where they say " 'erbs' " - does something akin to fingernails on blackboard to my ears.... X( Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:18, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


 * At least they don't use blackboards any more. Cheers.--Charles (talk) 12:17, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Eucalyptus punctata nomination
Hi Cas, I was wondering if you had had a chance to check out the growth near your house. I have been avoiding promoting the article until you left note of the success of your "expedition". Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:46, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Haven't been for a stroll as yet but a nice person on flickr changed their licence Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:00, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to help assess WikiProject Gastropods
Hi. I am inviting members of some WikiProjects to take part in evaluating their projects in order to help the Wikimedia Foundation better understand such projects from the inside, to encourage reflection on best practices, and to compile a list of best practices as recommended by a number of projects. I am contacting you because you are listed as an active member of WikiProject Gastropods. Having witnessed that project's work in the past in my volunteer capacity, I'd very much like to include it. I hope that you will have time and interest in participating. As much or as little as you would like to supply would be gratefully received. The assessment questions are posted at WikiProject Gastropods/Self-assessment. I will myself steer clear of the page until after any discussion seems to have become dormant, at which point I will ask questions to make sure that I am developing a good overview of opinions. Thanks. --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 13:06, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Corymbia eximia
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   08:02, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Great work with this article (as usual). Too bad about the ordinary photo. Yesterday the Hacking River trip was a great success. Landcare will be thrilled. Only 3 Grey Teak there; 2 were fruiting heavily this year. I think I found Johnson's Socketwood near the river. Very excited. Will hope for confirmation from the NSW Herbarium. (Either that or more embarrassment). Yellow Bloodwood is a beautiful species, I really love it. Poyt448 (talk) 11:48, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh it is a nice photo of the bark. I am thinking about what eucs to plant in my garden - my wife loves the "Summer Beauty" and "Summer Red" grafted ficifolia hybrids but I am warming to some of our local Sydney ones - I have already planted a Eucalyptus robusta down on the lowest part in a corner and really like hte look of yellow bloodwood. I have been trying to expand Sydney Basin eucs as I am not very good at IDing them, and I find writing about them a great way of cementing them in my head. If you look thru my contribs you'll see the others I've expanded thus far. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:52, 8 September 2011 (UTC) Glad you are keen on the local gum trees. They were my first interest in botany some 25 years ago. Identification can be very tricky. My favourite of the locals is Eucalyptus luehmanniana. Not only is it listed as rare, it is a majestic looking sight. (Haven't heard back from the Herbarium or Richard Schodde yet). Am tempted to return to the Hacking River ASAP, and see if I can find the mature Socketwood (if that is what it is). This seedling can't be far from the parent tree, perhaps within only 50 metres, as the seeds are wind blown Poyt448 (talk) 23:51, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Eucalyptus punctata
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:02, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Re: Aniru Conteh
I believe I have met the criteria for the B-Class reassessment per your comments over at Talk:Aniru_Conteh. Could you take a moment to look? Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 01:06, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I left you another message on the talk page. Viriditas (talk) 04:37, 10 September 2011 (UTC)


 * let me know if got through ok. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:57, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks good. Thanks again. Viriditas (talk) 06:02, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Brown Cuckoo-Dove/Slender-billed Cuckoo-Dove
Cas: I ended up moving Brown Cuckoo-Dove to Slender-billed Cuckoo-Dove based on the scientific name of the bird. Looks like it may be split soon anyway, if not already. Thought you may want to know (since it's your neck of the woods). I hope I did the right thing......Pvmoutside (talk) 15:31, 10 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Never much fussed with Columbiformes...heh, will take a look. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:33, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Eucalyptus longifolia
Materialscientist (talk) 08:03, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Favor
Hey. Would you be able to give a review of Featured article candidates/Rogers Hornsby/archive1? I ask since you provided one on my last FAC. It's almost at the three week mark so I'm worried about it being one of the many that slips through the cracks and gets archived. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 15:55, 11 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'll try and be really tough brutally impartial ;) (my free time is patchy but will see what I can do) Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:09, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Plants!
I'm interested in helping WikiProject Plants, mainly articles that haven't been created yet. Is there any style I should follow besides the Manual of Style's general stuff while writing articles? Regards,  HurricaneFan 25  15:31, 31 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Aha, well I'm glad you asked. I have tried getting lots of biology articles in different areas to look like each other so we look more like an encyclopedia. Hmmm...generally keep at scientific names. Erm, I generally use headings like in Banksia paludosa which is one of my most recent ones that has become Featured. Just ping me when you make one and I can take a look. We can build a few big and fast for DYK. Another editor, does alot of bushwalking and starts alot of articles and I often help format and expand his so lots of the DYKs on rainforest plants from around where we both live (Sydney, Oz) are joint efforts. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:01, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

'kay
I'll start on Barbarea bosniaca.  HurricaneFan 25  19:45, 4 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, will take a look when it turns blue. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:46, 4 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I only have a few brief moments to be on wiki today, so don't expect it to be much yet.  HurricaneFan 25  19:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll probably start seriously working on it on the tenth.  HurricaneFan 25  18:37, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Callerya megasperma
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:04, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 July newsletter
The finals are upon us; we're down to the last few. One of the eight remaining contestants will be this year's WikiCup champion! 150 was the score needed to progress to the final; just under double the 76 required to reach round 4, and more than triple the 41 required to reach round 3. Our eight finalists are:


 * , Pool A's winner. Casliber has the highest total score in the competition, with 1528, the bulk of which is made up of 8 featured articles. He has the highest number of total featured articles (8, 1 of which was eligible for double points) and total did you knows (72) of any finalist. Casliber writes mostly on biology, including ornithology, botany and mycology.
 * , Pool B's winner and the highest scorer this round. PresN is the only finalist who has scored featured topic points, and he has gathered an impressive 330, but most of his points come from his 4 featured articles, one of which scored double. PresN writes mostly on video games and the Hugo Awards.
 * , Pool A's runner-up. Hurricanehink's points are mostly from his 30 good articles, more than any other finalist, and he is also the only finalist to score good topic points. Hurricanehink, as his name suggests, writes mostly on meteorology.
 * , Pool B's runner-up. Wizardman has completed 86 good article reviews, more than any other finalist, but most of his points come from his 2 featured articles. Wizardman writes mostly on American sport, especially baseball.
 * , the "fastest loser" (Pool A). Miyagawa has written 3 featured lists, one of which was awarded double points, more than any other finalist, but he was awarded points mostly for his 68 did you knows. Miyagawa writes on a variety of topics, including dogs, military history and sport.
 * , the second "fastest loser" (Pool B). Most of Resolute's points come from his 9 good articles. He writes mostly on Canadian topics, including ice hockey.
 * , who was joint third "fastest loser" (Pool A). Most of Evan's points come from his 10 good articles, and he writes mostly on meteorology.
 * , who was joint third "fastest loser" (Pool B). Most of Phil's points come from his 9 good articles, 4 of which (more than any other finalist) were eligible for double points. He writes mostly on aeronautics.

We say goodbye to our seven other semi-finalists,, , , , , and. Everyone still in the competition at this stage has done fantastically well, and contributed greatly to Wikipedia. We're on the home straight now, and we will know our winner in two months.

In other news, preparations for next year's competition have begun with a brainstorming thread. Please, feel free to drop by and share any thoughts you have about how the competition should work next year. Sign ups are not yet open, but will be opened in due course. Watch this space. Further, there has been a discussion about the rule whereby those in the WikiCup must delcare their participation when nominating articles at featured article candidates. This has resulted in a bot being created by new featured article delegate. The bot will leave a message on FAC pages if the nominator is a participant in the WikiCup.

A reminder of the rules: any points scored after August 29 may be claimed for the final round, and please remember to update submission pages promptly. If you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 23:54, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi advice needed
I hope you don't mind me contacting you as I remembered you are an administrator, well to the point, I have just had an I.P user contact me on my talk page about a user who is causing problems on the Celebrity Juice article and I'm stuck as I dont know how I can help them, the message is question can be found here thank you Fatty2k10 (talk) 18:31, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:06, 12 September 2011(UTC)

Hi Casliber. I hope it is all right for me to add something as I am the person that wrote Fatty. I just wanted to let you know why I am a bit pissed at OfficialBSB (whether he is registered on Wikipedia or not). I'm not denying that any of his edits are without merit. Some of them are constructive while others aren't. I do revert I admit, but I also sent him messages on his various talk pages as I hope you can see, but he never really responds to me so as to work things out and just reverts back to his edits totally ignoring me. This last time I probably got under his skin with the whole Rufus Hound not being a regular in Series 1 thing, and after a few days he responded by doing this big overhaul. There are things that I think are not necessary like if a whole band like McFly is on the show, I don't feel its necessary to list all the members in the episode listing if you can just click on McFly, though if only half of the band is on that's a different story. I had been one person who was contributing alot to the page for a couple of years and there was no problem.However around May June time, when the 24PP episode came about for Comic Relief and Holly Willoughby took maternity leave, OfficialBSB, in whatever form, started editing the page.I tried to revert some of the edits as certain ones that he did (such as integrating the 24PP episode as episode 4B in Series 5)but he just reverted again and kept on changing without responding to me on any talk page. I feel he's telling me "It's my way or the Highway" and he won't listen to any reason. That's one thing that is stopping me from actually signing up for a Wikipedia account. I hope maybe that you can talk tto him and help us solve this problem (though I don't know if you'll get anywhere with him) This is the only page that I have had real problems with and I am hoping for any reassurance that I'm not totally in the wrong.

I hope you don't mind this. I'm just very aggravted about this. Thanks in advance.74.14.183.6 (talk) 22:30, 12 September 2011 (UTC)samusek2


 * Okay - I am somewhat pressured for time - can you itemise the issues on the talk page where I've made a heading? I will try to go through myself but can be difficult over several hundred revisions without being familiar with the material. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:41, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi Casliber. I'm sorry to bother you again. However, BSBOfficialEditor or 109.150.200.69 (when not signed in) is messing with the page again. Whenever Fatty or I make an edit, this user has to add in useless info. Thursday, I found out who was on the show in two week's time and I added it with a source. Later on that day, he added two guests for next week and the missing guest for the week after, however I checked his sources and nothing was mentioned about them being on Celebrity Juice. So, I reverted his edit and now he has rebutted out of nowhere by adding a list of Appearances that is not really needed and doesn't seem to balance out the page.

I don't want to do anything else, because it seems that once Fatty or I revert or challenge his edits, he likes to stir up some trouble on the page. I think he wants the page his way, but all he's doing is making unnecessary additions to the page. Also, if you see the discussion page for BSBOfficialEditor, you will see on the bottom, that someone else has accused him of sockpuppetry, which I think means using various accounts to get his points across. I'm getting a bit tired of fighting and I would write him but I don't think he would listen to me. If I got rid of his Appearance List, he would just do some further edits. I know you are really busy, but can you look into this matter and maybe talk to him about his disruptiveness. Thanks in advance74.14.183.6 (talk) 19:06, 17 September 2011 (UTC)samusek2
 * I suggest making an account - as I will semi-protect the article so everyone has to be logged in to edit it. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:55, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Eucalyptus eugenioides
Materialscientist (talk) 08:03, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Dinosaur collabration
Is the collaboration portion of Wikiproject Dinosaurs still active? LittleJerry (talk) 04:02, 14 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Not really, unless someone wants to work on Apatosaurus to GA. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:06, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Email
You got email. Thanks Secret account 02:25, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Just wondering if you got the email. Thanks Secret account 06:46, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh crap. Yes I did, sorry I haven't replied. Will write. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:00, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Eucalyptus oreades
Materialscientist (talk) 08:02, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Cattle dogs and things
Hi, working on the Australian Cattle Dog page to coax it towards FA, I've started separate pages for Halls Heelers and Robert Kaleski as I think these have notability beyond the Cattle Dog. Googling I found that Mary Gilmore mentions Kaleski in her prose poem Hound of the Road:
 * But who has written
 * our dog? Kaleski? Kaleski wrote dogs, not
 * the dog. It took a woman to write him; and
 * that woman was Barbara Baynton. She alone
 * wrote him as the man, next to his Maker,
 * knew him.

Do you know of any direct connection, or is it a loose reference to Baynton's Bush Studies Marj (talk) 03:54, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * (stares blankly) I haven't read anything of these people other than on wikipedia pages so haven't a clue...sorry. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That puts a bit of a dent in my notability claim :-)Marj (talk) 04:24, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Hey Cas!
Hey there Cas,

Here's something that might interest you - Burrunan dolphin.

 HurricaneFan 25  15:08, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Alloxylon pinnatum
Materialscientist (talk) 08:03, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Possible dyk?
Can you see a possible dyk in the recently expanded Queensland Shearers Union? - Shiftchange (talk) 08:48, 17 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I think so...hehehe Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 17 September 2011 (UTC)



DYK for Eucalyptus benthamii
Materialscientist (talk) 16:02, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

George Hirst
As you have been kind enough to comment on cricket FAs before, I wonder if you could have a look at George Hirst. It is at FAC here and I would appreciate any comments or suggestions. No-one seems to like reviewing cricket FACs anymore, unfortunately, and it is slightly starved of attention! If it doesn't appeal, or you are too busy, no problem. --Sarastro1 (talk) 20:54, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Free time is patchy today but will see if I can pop in. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:55, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Much obliged! If I can ever repay the favour in any way (although many of your articles may be beyond me!), please let me know. --Sarastro1 (talk) 21:50, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Queensland Shearers Union
Materialscientist (talk) 16:03, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Bursaria spinosa
Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Grevillea 'Cooroora Cascade'
Hi Cas, I'm wondering if you would be able to help me with the citation details for an Australian Plants article containing "Grevillea 'Cooroora Cascade' is an F2 seedling of Grevillea 'Golden Lyre'" found in a Google Books search result here? --Melburnian (talk) 00:41, 23 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Aha yes, I know that issue :) - will get back to you tonite re that one. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:03, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Melburnian (talk) 12:53, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hakea macraeana
Materialscientist (talk) 08:17, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Formatting references
In your comments on my article Laminaria hyperborea nominated for DYK, you mentioned the unsatisfactory formatting of the references. I do them my way because I do not know how they should be done. Could you point me in the right direction? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:06, 25 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay - have a look at the difference, what I did is here. The other place to fetch the parameters from is at Template:Cite journal. It makes it easy to not miss any formatting etc. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:21, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I am trying out the template for the Vancouver System and it seems to work. I have done one in Linckia multifora. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:38, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Aha, nice - just a couple of things to save yourself some work, we don't need the accessdate nor the publisher in journal articles which have a doi or jstor number, I also reformatted the name. The other thing is that we format number ranges like "281-95", and "281-88" (i.e. last two digits only if the hundred column is the same, and also two digits ever if the tens column is the same). I can't remember where I read this now. I always like to find the full name of the author if I can - sneaky way of showing how many of them are women :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:55, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks. There's such a lot to learn to get things right! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:35, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Request
Hi, Casliber!^^ I wonder if it made sense to discuss the new hiero-boxes I used to present the names of the early kings. I see some problems with the older boxes:
 * No horus-name, no gold-name, no nebtj-name... NOTHING. The old boxes give no useful information, and if so, these informations are redundant, incorrect or incomplete.
 * The old boxes call upon the mommahs and poppahs of the early kings. This is highly problematic, since Egyptologists are pretty unsure about any interfamiliar kinships. Few exception are queen Meritneith and queen Hetep-herj-nebtj (the mom of Djoser). Their names appear on seal impressions, together with their titles declaring them as king´s moms. Yes, I know, the Palermostone calles some king´s mommahs, too. But their identities are questioned, because their names do not appear in the early dynastic tombs.
 * The German boxes I use beat us the opportunity to present all important names of the early kings in words and signs. In german Wikipedia a broad palette of different hiero-boxes also give the chance to even sho titles and rare name forms.

It´s not about meh, ok... I rlly just wonder if it was possible to introduce and use the new boxes instead of the old ones. I´m sure that you will agree with meh after taking a closer look tot it. With best regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 17:41, 25 September 2011 (UTC)PS: I please everyone to respond at mah talk page, so I get it when You are on.

DYK for Lomatia silaifolia
Orlady (talk) 22:22, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Autotomy etc.
Because I became interested in fission and autotomy of arms in Asteroidea, I have written an article which appears here in draft form. In it I have been practising formatting references better and would be glad if you would comment on these.

I am also not sure whether the article is useful in its present state or if the two main sections should be separated and inserted into existing articles. Your advice would also be appreciated on this point. (Although there are currently rather a lot of red wikilinks in the article, I plan to write species accounts for some of these.) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:15, 28 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Yikes - my knowledge in the area is meagre -I am guessing that you might want to put a summary into Fragmentation (reproduction) as well as fix up Starfish too. You're thinking an article title/scope like Reproduction in starfish - big problem is subject scope is Asterozoa...which is a redirect?! I hate this when article writing gets quagmired into whole areas which need an overhaul....let me think some more....Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:35, 28 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I had better do a page for Asterozoa to overcome that problem. And if I do as you suggest and call the article Reproduction in starfish, I will need to add information about sexual reproduction as well. That should be interesting!
 * Are the references OK? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:12, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * They look ok at first glance - did not go and check them as I don't know important articles etc. These critters, Somasteroidea, also look like an interesting article and a pretty big group to be redlinked...Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:53, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

In the end I incorporated the part about brittle stars into their article and created a new article Asexual reproduction in starfish. Thank you for your help. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:33, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ptilotus nobilis
Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:37, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Persoonia myrtilloides
Materialscientist (talk) 23:53, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Australian Cattle Dog
Hi Cas, I've started gathering reviews for an FA and would appreciate your feedback if you have time. Marj (talk) 07:41, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Will take a look in next few days. Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:50, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I know you are horribly busy, but the FA nomination has another week to run, and it would be good to get an Aus opinion on the prose and the comprehensiveness if you could find the time. Marj (talk) 19:41, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I did look in once and decided to wait a bit until some others had finished with their comments being addressed. Might get a stretch of time today. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

New venture
Hi Cas, I've been thinking for some time that I should branch out from bird FAs, and try a different challenge, but I've been hindered by lack of resources, since I don't have access to a university library. I was recently reading in Cornerstone about medieval church graffiti, as one does, and realised that I pass one of the featured churches on my frequent birding trips to Norfolk. My younger daughter is a conservation archaeologist, so I have access to books too! I've therefore started St Nicholas, Blakeney. It's nothing like finished yet, but since I'm outside my comfort zone, I wondered if you could have a quick look and let me know what you think, just in terms of the general structure and headings. I'm away this weekend, so no rush (no rush anyway really, I've got all the facts that I can find, just need to make it intelligible), thanks  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  12:28, 30 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Great idea - will take a look in next few days. Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:49, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Gastrodia sesamoides
Hello! Your submission of Gastrodia sesamoides at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 16:50, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Question for you in your capacity as [former] administrator.
In one of the articles that I read that has a very vigorous discussion page, there is an ongoing battle between two egos. One of them constantly attempts to introduce a humourous item. The humour is in-context, historically significant, and highly relevant. The other ego, however, keeps insisting along the lines that "Wikipedia explains and discusses jokes; but Wikipedia does not make jokes" and then reverts, thus removing the humourous item. But he does not quote any reference, and his statement does not link to anything at all, and certainly not in a WP:THIS_IS_A_LINK format. So is there such a policy? Is there a link to it? Old_Wombat (talk) 10:14, 1 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Funnily enough, I've seen some discussion of jokes elsewhere at Wikipedia_talk:Civility...which particular page were you talking about? Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:03, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

The joke was not vulgar at all. I will tell you the page, of course, but I would rather get your answer first. So to repeat, is there a policy on this, and if so, where? Old_Wombat (talk) 07:26, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I guess the closest we come to this is Talk page guidelines which highlights that a talk page is for article improvement and to stay on topic....must be some others...Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:40, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

You're not really answering the question, Cas (is that an OK cantraction), so I'm going to try another tack. I'm going to go to the discussion page and ask him to provide a reference to his claim "Wikipedia does xxxxx Wikipedia does not yyyy" and see how I go.

As promised, the page in question is Recursion, and the gag in question is a link that would point to itself as an example of same. Old_Wombat (talk) 09:55, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, Cas is my usual name :) - true, this is not an area I usually pay much attention to (article talk page banter - with the balance between humour and off-topic to encourage a sense of community vs too much of same). Will take a look. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:06, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hah, that's very funny XD Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:12, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Tricholoma argyraceum
The DYK project (nominate) 12:04, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 September newsletter
We are on this year's home straight, with less than a month to go until the winner of the 2011 WikiCup will be decided. The fight for first place is currently being contested by, and , all of whom have over 200 points. This round has already seen multiple featured articles (1991 Atlantic hurricane season from Hurricanehink and Northrop YF-23 from Sp33dyphil) and a double-scoring featured list (Miyagawa's 1948 Summer Olympics medal table). The scores will likely increase far further before the end of the round on October 31 as everyone ups their pace. There is not much more to say- thoughts about next year's competition are welcome on the WikiCup talk page or the scoring talk page, and signups will open once a few things have been sorted out.

If you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 12:30, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Tricholoma portentosum
Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Tricholoma orirubens
Orlady (talk) 12:02, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again
... for your help on the Faces of Meth issue. From what I see here, it's hard to believe you've got time to do anything outside wikipedia! :-) DS Belgium (talk) 13:02, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, seems like it to me too sometimes....:)Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:21, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Main page appearance: Telopea speciosissima
This is a note to let the main editors of Telopea speciosissima know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on October 6, 2011. You can view the TFA blurb at Today's featured article/October 6, 2011. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask featured article director or his delegate, or start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests. If the previous blurb needs tweaking, you might change it—following the instructions at Today's featured article/requests/instructions. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. The blurb as it stands now is below:



Telopea speciosissima is a large shrub in the Proteaceae family. Endemic to New South Wales, it is the floral emblem of that state. T. speciossisima grows as a shrub to 3 or 4 m (10–13 ft) high and 2 m (7 ft) wide, with dark green leaves and several stems rising from a pronounced woody base known as a lignotuber. It is most renowned for its striking large red inflorescences (flowerheads) in spring, each made up of hundreds of individual flowers. These are visited by the eastern pygmy possum (Cercartetus nanus), birds such as honeyeaters (Meliphagidae), and insects. Telopea speciosissima has featured prominently in art, architecture and advertising, particularly since federation. Commercially grown in several countries as a cut flower, it is also cultivated in the home garden, although it requires good drainage, yet adequate moisture, and is vulnerable to fungal disease and pests. (more...) UcuchaBot (talk) 00:01, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Congratulations! Love this plant (can't get it to grow, though) and love your work! Whiteghost.ink 02:11, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Heh, thanks - I've killed a fair few myself. Lots of crushed sandstone, good drainage, moisture, mild acidic soil...northeastern aspect....not too fussy are they...Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:34, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Giraffe as featured article
I've been thinking of nominating the giraffe article for featured status. How far do you think it is? LittleJerry (talk) 01:29, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Bit to do I think. Will jot some notes on the article page or talk page. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:23, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Casliber/Terry (Fawlty Towers)
User:Casliber/Terry (Fawlty Towers), a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Casliber/Terry (Fawlty Towers) and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of User:Casliber/Terry (Fawlty Towers) during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. ╟─ Treasury Tag ► consulate ─╢ 09:51, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Request for a redirect
Cas, got another issue for you in your capacity as admin and birdo. The Red-browed Finch is aka "Firetail Finch", so FF should redirect to RbF. I suspect that with me being an ordinary dumbass user I cannot create that redirect; and in any case I don't know how. Old_Wombat (talk) 10:00, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Fluorine FAC
Hey there! You participated at the previous fluorine FAC, so it may be interesting for you to know a new FAC has been started. Some new content has been added since, so feel free to comment it. A support vote would be surely welcome, but so will be every comment :) Thanks--R8R Gtrs (talk) 11:47, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Great to see - will take a look soon (been insanely busy!) cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:58, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Already waiting :) Besides, sorry for the double posting--R8R Gtrs (talk) 12:09, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

ELs and related issues
Please take note of a discussion ("Wikipedia and its relationship to the outside world") about medical ELs and related issues. You may want to follow the links provided to learn more if you are so inclined. Thank you in advance. I'm not looking for more comments, as there have been many already, but you're welcome to add yours if you want to. Presto54 (talk) 06:43, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * ?....ok, will take a look. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:39, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Help
Hi.Please help me.Please tell me What I must do? I am new comer to wikipedia.I delete some mistakes and lies about Azerbaijan and Iran.But these two users User:Xooon and User:Alborz Fallah were plotting against me Sockpuppet investigations/Orartu to continue their lying about Iran and Azerbaijan.For example:When there is no valid source about Azerbaijani ancestry of a person, they insist to put them in category:Iranian people of Azerbaijani descent.This user User:Ebrahimi-amir and me are different users.But this user User:Xooon wants to intend we are same.They want to violate the neutrality of wikipedia.Please help me.In advance thanks a lot for your helpsOrartu (talk) 18:07, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Prostanthera stenophylla
The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

A barbaric task lies ahead...
Hi there, Casliber. Once, you trod on Crom's hallowed ground. Now he asks if you would be willing to go again and assess how the chronicles of his progeny Conan the Barbarian (1982 film) would fare as a Featured Article. Your thoughts are appreciated at Featured article candidates/Conan the Barbarian (1982 film)/archive1. Jappalang (talk) 03:22, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok,will be there with bells on soon-ish. Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:28, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Advice for new Wikipedia editors
Hi, Casliber. I know you're overloaded - partly my fault - but if you find time in the next couple of weeks I would be grateful if you have a look at something I've worked for some time on User:Philcha/Essays/Advice for new Wikipedia editors. I'm trying to approach the subject from the viewpoint of a new editor possibly seeing WP for the first time - in other words I think it must be one easy step at a time, starting from the new editor's starting position. I take WP:V, WP:NPOV and WP:NOR seriously, but am trying to make the whole process easier for the new editor. So I: use an informal style; emphasise techniques and tools that help new editors' work to be productive and pleasant; give the basis of the main policies and how to get advice about them; but not overload new editors with loads of details on policies, etc. I hope the essay will be worth publishing in main space, and even get a link for from the main "Welcome". Could you please comment at User talk:Philcha/Essays/Advice for new Wikipedia editors. --Philcha (talk) 21:36, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Epacris obtusifolia
Orlady (talk) 00:02, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Your DYK nom for Gastrodia sesamoides
Hi Cas, I've reviewed your nomination at Template:Did you know nominations/Gastrodia sesamoides and would like your feedback on a possible alt. Could you see my comments at the nomination page and reply there? Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:16, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Gastrodia sesamoides
Materialscientist (talk) 12:04, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

American White again
"In culture" and the lead, then it's done! --Philcha (talk) 19:18, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Interview with Wikimedia Foundation
Hi Casliber, I hope you're well. My name is Matthew and I work on the fundraising team at the Wikimedia Foundation in San Francisco. For the 2011 fundraiser, we're trying to diversify the people who represent Wikipedia in the banners and the personal donation appeals. While Jimmy's appeal brings in good money, just relying on it is not representative of the people who write and maintain the diverse projects across the namespace. Please let me know if you'd like to participate and we'll set up an interview. I can be reached at mroth@wikimedia.org. Thanks! Matthew (WMF) 22:39, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Single handely saving wiki and turning the course of human history (for the better) Barnstar
I seem to have dropped you right in it, but see you had already started the discussion anyway. Still, sorry man, and eh, does sharing this vid make all ok. Hope all is well otherwise. Best. Ceoil (talk) 09:29, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Now that is quite a fun little ditty - Undertones never broke here in Oz...but this and this were absolutely played to saturation point and then some circa 1984. You dinna get my pop cult reference? Hint - who is "Rents"? Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:57, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * We laugh now at A Good Heart, but I loved sharkey back when I was 11. But Undertones are v well regarded here, their (new) singer hosts the 7-10 slot on the radio station, and is becoming a peel figure. Well he plays a lot of The Fall anyway and is equally unflappable. I assumed rents was mark renton, but that doesnt make any sence. So ok you win? Ceoil (talk) 10:06, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It does so make sense! We-ell, I was thinking "GA/FA" and it reminded myself of the recipe I put for GA/FA on my userpage, so then I thought about cooking, which reminded me of the great lines in trainspotting...although I think they've got it wrong but meh....Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:20, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, perfect sense now; sorry I'm a bit of a slow gage. A bit fucking late, like. Ceoil (talk) 10:27, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Feeling like this at present saw it on Glee and chuckled - all the kids like it too :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:32, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * metal often. Nice work on the green plant. As you are above me on WBFAN, I'll be picking apart tooth by nail. Ceoil (talk) 14:41, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Science
Thanks for picking up the baton with science; I agree that it needs a coordinator and I think you're an excellent person for the job. I'll comment more over there, but I was wondering if it might be good if you were to reach out to some of the existing contributors to that article. The article has a substantial edit history and the archives show that a good deal of effort has gone into obtaining consensus on parts of it. I think any engaged editors there would be delighted to have a group of editors join the effort to improve the article, but we shouldn't make it sound as though the new editors have all the good ideas and are there to show the prior group how it ought to be done. I know that's not your intent, but it might be helpful to specifically try to engage some of that prior group. What do you think? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:23, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Makes sense - will trawl thru contribs and see. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:33, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I left an entry some days ago at Talk:Science in the hope that you might respond there. What would you think if we resumed the improvement effort on that article? --Ancheta Wis (talk) 12:57, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

You finally get your wish!
HMallison (talk) 22:41, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Yippee! I'll try and stick around to help out. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:17, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I just realized that wikipedia indeed asks for individual pages to be cited with each inline citation. I ain't gonna do that nonsense, ever. I do understand that some things should be cited to the exact page, but refuse to give page numbers within a short paper for things like the shape of the nostril.
 * I guess this ends FAC right here and now, unless someone else is stupid enough to waste weeks on making one of the best-sourced articles conform to that rule. Sorry, and many thanks for your help again! HMallison (talk) 12:32, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:35, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Picathartes
Hey. I was wondering if, when you got a chance, you could figure out the roots of the White-necked Rockfowl and Grey-necked Rockfowl, Picathartes gymnocephalus and Picathartes oreas respectively. It would be a big help for their articles. Thanks. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 20:57, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'll see if I can find some confirmation for oreas and mountain, though from what I know about the bird it makes sense. I did a little extra research and according to Picathartes comes from "pica" pied and "cathartes" vulture, a reference to the bald head. Does that make sense to you? Thanks again. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 04:07, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Plausible I guess...be good to see someone else's view on that. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:17, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Eucalyptus grandis
Materialscientist (talk) 12:02, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Article request
Any chance you could email me this? Sasata (talk) 16:39, 27 October 2011 (UTC)


 * emailed now - let me know if they get through ok. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:35, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Got both, thanks very much! Sasata (talk) 06:10, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Long-tailed Ground-roller
Hello again. Sorry to continue pestering you for antiquated Latin references, but could you perchance help with the scientific name of the Long-tailed Ground-roller, Uratelornis chimaera? I pretty sure the specific name is referencing the chimaera, but other than seeing ornis and assuming bird in the genus I'm at a loss. Thank you. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 17:34, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, interesting one. I suspect the original author had something specific in mind by "chimaera"...but what....let me read a bit. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:20, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Corymbia intermedia
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Jenny Calendar
Thanks for your work on this article. This seems especially altruistic when you say that you haven't watched the show. I'd recommend trying the series from the start with a box-set or similar before Wikipedia spoils it for you. Buffy got lots of critical acclaim for working at a higher level than most TV pablum. And it has quite a lot of continuity and character development which rewards viewing in the correct sequence. Warden (talk) 09:27, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I know - ploughing thru the boxed sets has been on my to-do list for some years....Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:47, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Does the Zeigarnik effect work? Our article seems quite negative but the Psych Wiki indicates otherwise.  Try watching episode #1 and see whether you feel a compulsion to finish the set. Warden (talk) 10:01, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, I've never heard of that - must see if there are any secondary sources in peer-reviewed literature....Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:19, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 October newsletter
The 2011 WikiCup is now over, and our new champion is, who joins the exclusive club of the previous winners: (2007),  (2008),  (2009) and  (2010). The final standings were as follows:



Prizes for first, second, third and fourth will be awarded, as will prizes for all those who reached the final eight. Every participant who scored in the competition will receive a ribbon of participation. In addition to the prizes based on placement, the following special prizes will be awarded based on high performance in particular areas of content creation. So that the finalists do not have an undue advantage, the prize is awarded to the competitor who scored the highest in any particular field in a single round.


 * The Featured Article Award:, for his performance in round 2. matched the score, but Casliber won the tiebreaker.
 * The Good Article Award:, for his performance in round 4.
 * The Featured List Award:, for his performance in round 4. matched the score, but Miyagawa won the tiebreaker.
 * The Recognised Topic Award (for good and featured topics):, for his performance in round 3.
 * The Did You Know Award:, for his performance in round 1.
 * The In the News Award:, for his performance in round 1.
 * The Reviewer Award (for good article reviews):, for his performance in round 3.

No prize was awarded for featured pictures, sounds or portals, as none were claimed throughout the competition. The awards will be handed out over the next few days. Congratulations to all our participants, and especially our winners; we've all had fun, and Wikipedia has benefitted massively from our content work.

Preparation for next year's WikiCup is ongoing. Interested parties are invited to sign up and participate in our straw polls. It's been a pleasure to work with you all this year, and, whoever's taking part in and running the competition in 2012, we hope to see you all in January! J Milburn and The ed17 00:34, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Emu
I looked over the Emu article and it seems that the reasons it was demoted from FA status are no longer valid. Do you think it should be nominated again? LittleJerry (talk) 22:12, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Let me take a look a bit later today. I have been involved in cleaning it up before. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:43, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * If I re-nominated it, would you be able to respond to any possible challenge they may bring up? LittleJerry (talk) 05:17, 6 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I did find a cite for the first sentence of the "classification" sub-section. Will it do for that? LittleJerry (talk) 03:59, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I think we might need to expand it a bit. I will see waht turns up. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:01, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 FA award



 * Heh, thanks for both :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:43, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Everton F.C.
If you have the time and you are interested could you peer review the Everton F.C. article. Thnks for your time. SenorKristobbal (talk) 01:15, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Geebung
In case you need it geebung is an aboriginal word from the language of the Dharuk people of the Sydney region http://www.anbg.gov.au/apu/plants/persooni.html http://www.wordreference.com/definition/geebung  Marj (talk) 02:41, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah I was wondering whether to stick that in the species as well as the genus page...Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:41, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ranunculus lappaceus
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Could this be the subject for a DYK?
Bird 1318: An Australian bird, the Pied Monarch. I understand that it is sexually dimorphic. Could this species be the subject for a DYK? You might find something interesting about this species, which has a new image on the species page, but it is not one of my priorities. If it does not make a DYK, then I would be interested to see a little extra text for one of the images I uploaded from Flickr. Snowman (talk) 11:49, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes that should be straightforward - have done this 2.5 years ago with Frill-necked Monarch. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:02, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Knowle West

 * Thanks for your helpful comments in the FAC. Much appreciated. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:34, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No probs - nice work :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:03, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Pied Monarch
I'm disappointed you didn't go for "that the Pied Monarch is an Australian monarch flycatcher in the genus Arses? Or something like that. Sabine's Sunbird   talk  18:02, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Was almost going to but then we did do it before -see Talk:Frill-necked Monarch....Casliber (talk · contribs) 18:41, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I guess I'll just have to get Arses (genus) to DYK to have my fun then. :P Sabine's Sunbird  talk  08:08, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Arbcom motion
I'm not one for lobbying arbs on thier talk pages. However, I'm a little concerned with the workability (rather than the principle) of the arbcom motion on the "unblocks and enabling" case. I've no dog in the fight between the parties, and I'm fairly happy with the idea that admins shouldn't reverse other admin decisions on their unilateral judgement, however I can't see the equation of a decision to engage tools and a decision not to engage tools working out in practice. Well meaning laws that doen't work tend to bring legislators into disrepute. We don't often agree, but I respect that you are someone who usually carefully thinks through the unintended consequences of things, so I was wondering whether I could persuade you to look at my comments and apply your mind to how this actually works in the multiple possible situations. If nothing else, the motions needs more careful wording (and I'm not just talking about the polish for which Sand is looking). Thanks.--Scott Mac 22:42, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, I didn't feel the motion was a good fit to how I felt about the whole situation. Although the request does not have consensus for a case, it isn't simple either, so have gone for a multifaceted motion. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:52, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The motions you recently added to the case imply that I blocked Malleus solely because of his exchange with Tbhotch ("Kaldari blocked Malleus Fatuorum for this exchange"). Half of the reason I blocked Malleus was for his ongoing personal attacks against Nick Levinson,(see edit summary) which I had specifically warned him about previously. The AN/I thread from Tbhotch was just the straw that broke the camel's back. Kaldari (talk) 04:12, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my bad, I'll fix in a sec. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:31, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Well that went down like a lead balloon, didn't it? Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:09, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

FAC ping
... here. In the event you do think it's ready, pls go ahead and re-transclude it, with a note from you, (but Little Jerry never added the FAC template to the talk page either). Sandy Georgia (Talk) 17:50, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Maryland Birds Vandal (?)
Over the past three days, an anonymous user, whose IP keeps changing, insists on renaming the Rock Pigeon to Feral Pigeon at List of birds of Maryland. This is not supported by the reference for the list or any references of his own. How can I deal with this? Its been a while, and the lack of a stable IP makes introductory notes difficult. Thank you. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 22:37, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Out of curiosity, were you able to find anything on the meaning of Uratelornis? Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 03:25, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, if you don't mind, can you figure out the etymology of the Congo Serpent Eagle, Dryotriorchis spectabilis? If I can do anything to help out with Emu just let me know. I have university access to numerous articles. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 04:00, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello
A message from me can only mean one thing. Yup, a request for a copyedit for an article heading to FAC. And joy of joys, it's for a cricketer/cricket commentator, so your inherent ignorance of the jargon will once again be irritating and very useful all at once. Are you up for the challenge? The article's not quite ready for your attention yet, but should be soon, possibly by the weekend. --Dweller (talk) 23:49, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok...will just sit back and watch teh test in Cape Town .... :( Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:00, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't do that - you're supposed to be my cricket ignoramus! Btw the article is Jonathan Agnew, but I have some issues still to deal with at the talk page. --Dweller (talk) 10:28, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Go for it! --Dweller (talk) 15:59, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The article, Jonathan Agnew is ready for your attentions. If you did follow that Test in Cape Town... it wasn't a typical one! Although it was very enjoyable, especially for a Pom. --Dweller (talk) 12:19, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops, forgot. Reading now. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:07, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Titchwell Marsh
Hi Cas, I've just started working this up, so content/style/images are work in progress. I wonder if you could comment on the structure (order of sections, heading/subheadings, anything missing) I've not done a reserve before, so just wondered if there is a more logical arrangement, thanks  Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  14:13, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Ahaa, getting all geographical on us Jim...will take a look. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:56, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Cas, that's really helpful. I haven't even started on the lead yet. The RSPB seems to have published virtually nothing on the non-avian flora and fauna at this reserve, which is mostly what you would expect in a coastal marsh, so I'm struggling to find RS stuff. I'll follow other suggestions as I go. <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  06:51, 15 November 2011 (UTC)


 * There'll be something I'm sure. Although Australians are really good at doing detailed reviews/censuses of flora. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:19, 15 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Probably a byproduct of the long walk between adjacent plants ;-) LeadSongDog come howl!  20:32, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Strewth...er.........look over there, a tree! (runs off in other direction to think up a witty comeback line) Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:37, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Reminds me of the Arbre du Ténéré. LeadSongDog  come howl!  20:48, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, trust an acacia...there is one species nicknamed "Dead finish" in central Oz as it is the last tree to die in a drought. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:06, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

I took liberties...
Right here. I hope that's okay! ;)  Rcej (Robert) –  talk  06:32, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Crescent Honeyeater
This might be getting close to GA status, see what you think? Does it need a longer lead? How to remove hyphens from the Taylor reference has me puzzled. Marj (talk) 06:53, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I have the relevant segment from Higgins, which is pretty hefty - last I looked the article still had a way to go. Will compare the two and trace some other sources soonish. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:36, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've Tyrant-flycatcher to Chats out of the library for the summer. Most of the articles I've been able to track down are summarized there. Marj (talk) 04:18, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks to uni library access, I can access fulltexts of loads of Australian journals (e.g. Emu etc.) Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:44, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It's handy isn't it. I'm at Newcastle Uni.Marj (talk) 19:12, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Grey-necked Rockfowl
Casliber,

I just finished reading the species description for the Grey-necked Rockfowl. It stresses that the species was found near Mount Cameroon and therefore was assumed to be mountainous. I went ahead and put the oreas=mountain into the article. Could you please slip in the page number for the reference and make sure I didn't misunderstand your message on the talk page? Thank you. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 15:50, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 20:09, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Jonathan Agnew
Hello. When you finish your excellent work at Aggers, please will you drop a line here? Thanks --Dweller (talk) 17:40, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Acacia binervia
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:02, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

May I have your input, please?
I've just come up with this essay on civility, in the hope that it might be a useful link from various places. Could I please have your comments on it? Many thanks, Pesky  ( talk  …stalk!) 10:49, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Aves—A Taxonomy in Flux
Have you come across this An economics prof's overview? Nice summaries and great ref list. Marj (talk) 21:14, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Just noticed your userbox!
... the psychiatrist one ...

Thought you might see both the humour and the positive-mental-attitude in the face of "challenges" (ahem!) here. :o) And yes, I have both that and C-PTSD; what a wonderful combination, eh?!.  Ho hum, ain't life a bi@tch! (though less of one with paroxetine than without it.)  Pesky  ( talk  …stalk!) 21:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Simple solution!
Join up your wife and kids as editors. Even as WMAu members. :-)  Tony   (talk)  09:53, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Har har...maybe one day. I think...(for lack of a witty metaphor)....errr...it'll be highly unlikely. Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:55, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Amyema congener
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:05, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Oversight request
The 'deleted' page Arjun Sreedharan shows the deletion log which is actually outing some private data about an individual. I request you to remove the log from the page and delete the edit summary - " content was: ****** " from the database itself; so that the individual's privacy can be protected. Thanks. Laimnjoke (talk) 14:36, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Grevillea baileyana
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:02, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Nudge, nudge
Sorry to be a nuisance. --Dweller (talk) 14:11, 23 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Dang, ok. Bedtime here. Will do tomorra ~ 10-14 hours' time. G'night. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:13, 23 November 2011 (UTC)


 * That'd be just dandy, thank you. --Dweller (talk) 14:19, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello. Do you think it's done? --Dweller (talk) 12:18, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
–Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 19:22, 23 November 2011 (UTC)


 * ? - which bit? Errr, I've seen the exchange at the bottom of Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Abortion/Proposed_decision. I did contemplate putting a big archive box around the bottom five or six comments where the conversation veers to discussing the interaction but it seems to have petered out without much acrimony. Unless you mean something else? Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to make sure you'd seen my initial comment which was a response to yours - if you don't feel like replying, that's fine. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 21:44, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah saw it, we could talk for a very long time on the talk page, so am trying to restrict myself to more problem-solving posts there...Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:57, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Didn't forget?
Didn't forget this, did you Cas? Steven Zhang <sup style="color:#FFCC00;">The clock is ticking....  19:57, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi
Hi Cas. Would you mind running your eyes over this for me if you get a minute? --Anthonyhcole (talk) 07:18, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, I think it needs tweaking. Need to read the source (again). Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:44, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Pied Monarch
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:02, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Once again no credit for me! Sabine's Sunbird  talk  19:22, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Oops
I think you hit rollback by accident. Good to know you are interested, though. Geometry guy 21:48, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, combination of fat fingers and android phone on a train, "oops" is right....Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:19, 25 November 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem, but if you want to share your thoughts on what you observed, please do, either at my talk page, or by email. Geometry guy 00:24, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Aargh, some chest thumping and locking of horns mostly. I agree that setting a common goal (FAC for 9/11) is best way to go and just ignore the argy-bargy. Might take a look....Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:44, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't want to haunt you with your early edit history...
...but on the evidence of this, you are the best qualified to address the Tomorrow's Featured Picture issue here. Kevin McE (talk) 22:28, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

What are the steps to take against an user censoring articles?
More precisely on Beijing page, the repeated removal of all mentions of Tienanmen square from 11/22/11 to 11/24/11 by Tartanator. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nodar95 (talk • contribs) 02:41, 25 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Nodar95, there is a Wikipedia talk:China-related topics notice board but it is pretty quiet. Third opinion is another venue, as is Dispute resolution noticeboard. I think the last is the best bet. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:51, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

FYI
I have objected to the way evidence was collected and used in the case I'm involved in.Anythingyouwant (talk) 10:02, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Australian Magpie
I have recently written "(Latham, 1802)", the genus authority, in the taxobox of the Australian Magpie article. I see their is quite a lot of history in the taxonomy section. I do not know much about genus authors and I wonder if the Latham should be written in the main text of the article or not for completion. Snowman (talk) 12:04, 26 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I missed the discussion where we are putting genus authorities in all the taxoboxes. Umm, is it a good idea? Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:24, 26 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I have been putting genus authorities in taxoboxes of genus articles. As far as I am aware, there are not many genus authorities on species articles and I have not added many (less than five probably) to species articles. The discussion was about putting genus authorities on genus articles. Nevertheless, there is a lot of details of taxonomy in the "Australian Magpie" article including the history of the topic, so I thought it might be useful on this page. Is is sufficient to rely on the genus article to provide the genus authority for species articles? Delete it from the species page if you think it makes the species taxobox to cluttered and it is irrelevant to the text in the article. Snowman (talk) 12:33, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, I just found the discussion now - no it looks ok in the box. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:37, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Whoops, I accidentally edited my comment after you had replied, however the flow of the discussion is not changed. I wonder if a line on Latham's contribution in the main text should accompany the new edit to the taxobox, if you are keeping the genus authority in the taxobox. I am pausing editing genus authorities for consolidation and feedback before considering the non-Passerine genera, so your comments will be welcome. There is some discussion on my talk page and on the WP Bird talk page. Snowman (talk) 12:45, 26 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I need to read a bit first - my first impression is that I can think of more pressing tasks, but if it is something you want to do then I will have a look tomorrow. I can see a case for it. I am juggling a bunch of tasks with limited time and this I need to go over and review. As far as other bot-tasks, it'd be good to have a bot de-bold all the latin names in the first sentence like we agreed at the discussion....Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:54, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I do not want to overload you. I can manage with the help from the other bird article editors. I have written a script to write in genus authors, s"" o it will not take too long to complete the task now. I could easily to write the genus name in the correct format in the first line of the article, but a lot of small edits is frowned upon. I have been doing them with other edits on the same page. Snowman (talk) 13:00, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You are more than welcome to do it and tweak any of the bird FAs that I've worked on. As the magpie is cracticus then Vieillot, 1816 is the authority? It is just gone midnight here and I will go to bed very soon as I have had a long day....I am just trying to review some FACs. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:04, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Whoops, (Latham, 1802) is the binomial authority and not the genus authority, so I should have said Vieillot above. I got up early today before sunrise, after editing the Wiki late last night. Snowman (talk) 14:53, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

This is probably going to get lost on the DYK talk page
But may I draw your attention here for opinion? PanydThe muffin is not subtle 02:05, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for your patience with the Quoll article. I have since added an additional step before attempting GA or Peer review, which falls under the heading Teacher Review. I hope to catch the more mundane errors so that GA reviewers are not dealing with the more obvious blunders. It should also eliminate the rush of desperate attempts for GA as the term comes to a close. Of course, my skills are limited and the scrutiny of GA will still reveal those inevitable flaws. I very much appreciate all you have contributed over the years, in assisting the AP Biology project. hopefully, we didn't make a mess of things or monopolize too much of your time! Cheers.--JimmyButler (talk) 20:33, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No, that's fine - it's just great that someone is editing nature articles (and Aussie ones at that ;) ). Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:55, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * PS: While I think of it, how about this for an idea (to show how incomplete we still are). Get the class to take a photo of something in the local area (insect, plant, mushroom are easiest, also some regional parks or reserves) which either has no article or is a 1 or 2 sentence stub and expand it. Many of the plants are things I've taken photos of in local bushland near my house. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:55, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigations/James1011R‎
Could you take a look at this SPI? It has been sitting there for a couple days with no activity. Much appreciated. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 02:26, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Grevillea ID

 * Assuming that you have access to The Grevillea Book vol. 3, do you think File:Grevthirlmerelakes.jpg looks like image 27D on page 40? --Melburnian (talk) 12:41, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I have the three of them, but they are in a room next to a sleeping person I'd rather not wake up - will check in AM. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:28, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, doesn't really look like them but Alan Fairley and Peter Weston think arenaira - will ask Peter Olde soon. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:54, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for that.--Melburnian (talk) 22:43, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Aha! Peter Olde thinks it's a variant of G. mucronulata, which is what I thought the flowers looked like but the leaves are different. Peter Weston was unsure when he thought it was arenaria too. Anyway, have written back to him to ID some other grevilleas on commons :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:21, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks very much for that and pass on my thanks to your correspondents. The leaves are tricky, very different between forms. Melburnian (talk) 01:00, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, that form has very round leaves. I thought I'd photographed mucronulata before but have not come across photos in my archives as yet. I find they are usually more pointed than that. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:00, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Dampiera purpurea
Orlady (talk) 20:10, 28 November 2011 (UTC) 16:03, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Article Creation - Plants
Hi Cas. I've noticed that you create a lot of articles about plants, and thought you may be the one to come to. Let me explain a bit. I admit that article creation is not my strength, to be frank it's something I suck at. I'm much more comfortable taking on a bunch of POV pushing editors in a deadlocked dispute rather than creating an article, but I understand the need to do content work. I've been working on an article, Daniel Fitzgibbon as well as one in my userspace, and it's made me realise just how hard writing an article is (it has opened my eyes up) but I did notice the rather large list of plant articles needing creation, so I was kinda wondering what sources you tend to use (or where you start looking) to get the basic information for an article, as you seem to create quite a few. Your advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Steven Zhang  <sup style="color:#FFCC00;">The clock is ticking....  23:45, 29 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes there are stacks of them..also stacks of insect articles too. I have concentrated on australian plant articles and it is very easy to get some sources from Florabase (Western Australia), Plantnet (NSW) and APNI (national) - between them this is a reasonably good way to get a stub sourced. Virtually none of the articles at WikiProject Plants/Article requests are Australian however. Many are just lists from genera with some well-known representatives. Ethically, I'd planned to get stuck into weed articles, as everyone should know more about potential weeds. So, I had planned on going to this website and looking at the noxious weed list, starting out with which ones I pull out of my damn garden....Plant names can be tricky and some might be under different scientific names. Maybe we'll start off with some Qld ones...have a look at this list and see which are redlinks when you type them in. If bluelinks, then add weed info and maybe look at 5x expand for DYK. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:10, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, thanks for that. That's really helpful. Do you generally create plant articles based on their common name, or their scientific name (eg. Acacia baileyana or Cootamundra wattle)? Steven   Zhang  Join the DR army! 04:43, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * (Chipping in) Usually the scientific name - see Naming conventions (flora) for further info. If your interest is Australian plants, you may be interested in a list I have compiled of plant genera in Australia. It's not comprehensive, but it's a way of finding redlink Australian species articles, if you click through to each genus article and locate the species list. Note however that if a genus is not endemic to Australia (check article) some of the species will be be native to elsewhere.Melburnian (talk) 05:13, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Always use scientific Steve - much easier that way. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:54, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Okey doke. Thanks for the links, I'll give it a crack and see how I go, though hardly think I can polish up an article to the quality you create on a daily basis. Will do my best though :-) (Any progress on the Abortion discussion as of yet? I'm thinking the structure could be used at the proposed process, Binding RFCs) Cheers. Steven   Zhang  Join the DR army! 05:59, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Steve - while I think of it - a good place to look online is any plant which is either endangered or a weed, as governments often prepare detailed pages on them. Same with insects that are agricultural pests. I think getting more of these articles buffed is pretty important. I have also created a dumping ground at User:Casliber/To-Do of things to expand here and there. Feel free to pillage and strike off once done for DYK or expanded or whatever. Or add some you think I might be interested in. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:24, 2 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that list Cas. I will indeed pillage some of these from your list. I think I posted you a link a few times, but as your framework for the Abortion discussion would have an impact on how it would go, I'd really appreciate your feedback on Binding RFCs. Cheers, Steven   Zhang  Join the DR army! 00:09, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

WP:OWN
Hey Cas. I'm thinking our latest newcomer (BC Myles) may need a chit chat about article ownership and wikipedia style. I'd do it myself, but I haven't done admin stuff in a long time, and I know my attempts at sounding diplomatic easily come across as arrogant. I was almost solely responsible for accidentally driving away, and I would absolutely hate for that to happen again. Circéus (talk) 15:41, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. I'll take a look. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:59, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

You're awesome!

 * Heh, thanks :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:11, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Does this seem right to you?
I can follow it up next time I'm at the library, but I thought you might know off the top of your head. It seems like a competent effort and I don't want to scare them off. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 01:51, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * It's mostly ok - I am dubious about GAD and panic disorder so removed. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:42, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I think I might read up on the evolution of the concept. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 06:27, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

You'll probably find this worth watching
He's a pretty good speaker. I created a stub about the book, which is probably worth getting to DYK, although I'm not sure I have the time to expand it enough this weekend. Cheers, Tijfo098 (talk) 04:48, 7 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Interesting will look later when I can have the sound up. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:02, 7 May 2011 (UTC)