User talk:Casliber/Archive 58

TFA
Thank you for the Canadian bird! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:28, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Disneyland Railroad featured article nomination
The Disneyland Railroad article is currently being nominated to become a featured article here: Featured article candidates/Disneyland Railroad/archive1. I see that you are one of the more active reviewers for featured article candidates, so I eagerly invite you to weigh in on this one. It has passed specialized reviews for its images and sources, and one review for its prose, but it still needs a few people to chime and say they support the nomination on the review page to wrap things up. Your input on that page will be very helpful.  Jackdude 101  ( Talk ) 18:39, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh dear I just remembered this - ok looking now. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:45, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

FAC reviewing barnstar

 * You're welcome! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:37, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

HotArticlesBot subscription
The subscription for WikiProject Birds isn't going to work since there are no pages directly in Category:WikiProject Birds articles. I may be able to come up with another option for you though. Let me see if I can either set up subcategory traversal (and duplicate filtering) or get articles based on a template instead of a category. Kaldari (talk) 21:42, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok cool/thx. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:48, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Banksia hookeriana
Alex ShihTalk 00:03, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Three Four Awards

 * In addition, I believe you should have received the File:Four_Award_Ribbon_x25.png for your 25th 4 award for Persoonia terminalis in April 2016. Congrats! starship.paint ~  KO   09:44, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Pallid cuckoo
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Beetles barnstar award
Zakhx150 (talk) 07:06, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Flags in European current templates
Hello there, I have been asked by another member of WPRL to widen the conversation on "Flags in European current templates", in the hope to gain a wider consensus. I imagine that this message may well never be read, dismissed, see me lose support, potentially gain some or take the discussion forwards. Please do take the time to read the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Rugby_league if you can, but the crux of my position is that the flags are prevalent elsewhere, are consistent with usage by the MOS, and their implementation for their rugby league national squad/team or representative nationality, is in line with their intended purpose. The crux of the remove side would be an IP editor may interpret a flag as indication of birth, give too much credence to the nation, and the decision was made previously. To remove them from all rugby league templates when there is a limited conversation would seem more than a little unfair I would say, hence the attempt to reach out. I'm quite happy to voted down, but would appreciate a few more voices to the discussion, else it would seem quite wrong to move from the majority into the minority.Fleets (talk) 19:55, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi!!
Bro, I really need some tips from you, on editing bird articles. It was super impressive the way you edited black stork (I was already referring to banded stilt a lot, as it was super impressive). I was just watching you improve black stork to the excellent condition it is now in. How did you get so much more information to add and all, too? It is something I have never seen before. It looks like you have something with birds, as you know so much about it. Even though I tried my best at American black duck and black stork, there seemed things missing. Could you suggest me on miscellaneous things, so that I would help out even more? (Also, learned a lot of things from your review on mallard; I also have learned so much watching you edit) Thanks a big bunch for your time, trouble, and advices! Adityavagarwal (talk) 12:15, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Banksia alliacea
Alex ShihTalk 01:14, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Banksia aurantia
Alex ShihTalk 00:43, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Pallid cuckoo
Alex ShihTalk 12:28, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Lynx (constellation) scheduled for TFA
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Article assessment
Hey Cas. I noticed that you've assessed a number of articles over at Wikiproject Football and I was wondering if you could do the same to List of Dundalk F.C. seasons. I have listed it at the assessment request section of the project and would appreciate you taking a look over it. Much appreciated. LampGenie01 (talk) 15:29, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Cool - will talk over there Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:07, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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Dire wolf visitors
Hello Cas, letting you know that the dire wolf as Today's FA on the 17th to coincide with GOT7 turned out to be a master-stroke by Funkmonk: Talk:Dire wolf/Archive 2. William Harris •  (talk) •  11:41, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Randall Flagg FAC
Hi could you take a look to see if I addressed your concerns? I think I fixed everything in regards to the parentheses. Thanks.--CyberGhostface (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of S Coronae Borealis
Hello! Your submission of S Coronae Borealis at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Hawkeye7  (talk)  22:50, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

The Lure (2015 film)
I was just checking out this article, and checked for copyvios, and Earwig turned up concerns. It looks like content you've added is identical to this website, cineradiowaves.com. Given that you are an experienced Wikipedian with recognized content, I just wanted to verify with you that they copied from Wikipedia and not the other way around? Ribbet32 (talk) 03:19, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
 * That's weird. I am not getting that website listed on Earwig's - the vio is 24.2% with top result and then only because of some (attributed) quotes. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:40, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Cheloctonus jonesii
Alex ShihTalk 00:03, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

DYK for S Coronae Borealis
Alex ShihTalk 01:47, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

TFA
Hi Cas, before listing older articles at WP:TFAR or WP:TFARP could you please check that they are fit to run? i've removed three so far that have multiple dead links Jimfbleak - talk to me?  13:51, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, sorry, will be more careful. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:09, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Astronomica FAN
A few months ago, you left some very helpful comments on the FAN page for the article Astronomica. Unfortunately, in the middle of the nomination, I realized that I had neglected part of a peer-review, and so I withdrew the nomination. Since then, I have implemented those changes and had the article copy-edited, and today I just re-nominated the article at FAN. I was wondering if you could leave a few comments as before? I assure you that the article is much better now! Thanks!-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   15:17, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Arctocephalus forsteri requested move discussion
Casliber, I just set up a RM discussion on the talk page for what you may know as New Zealand fur seal. Some controversy about whether to use scientific name or use common name. You being Australian, I thought you'd like to add your opinion....Please invite any Aussies or Kiwis you think would be interested in commenting. Any other Bot should have page ready within the hour.....Pvmoutside (talk) 13:39, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Any chance of a DYK prep to queue promotion?
Cas Liber, the queues are empty, I just noticed that the next prep, Prep 3, was put together by Alex Shih, who has been the most regular prep to queue promoter of late, so he won't be able to do the duties. If you see this in the next 8 hours or so, and the queues are still empty, is there any chance you could promoted this prep set? (I'm hoping that you have better connectivity than you did the last time I asked!) Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:43, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, just woke up and had coffee. I'll take a look. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:22, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Holiday
Hi Casliber. Thank you for taking the brunt in the red-billed quelea FAN. You will have to finish it, as I will be on holidays (for an entire month) to South-Africa as of coming Monday. I hope to be able to make images of many interesting plants and animals, and likely these will inspire me to do extensive edits on the WP articles. Perhaps you can have a look at Brassicaceae and help me bring it to GA level after my return? Thank you in advance. Dwergenpaartje (talk) 08:37, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Okay, take lots of great photos - we can try and ID the flowers. Be good to buff some SA proteaceae too....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:53, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

use of common name for species
Cas, I hope you can help me out......I wrote Plantdrew regarding a pagemove he did, and got a response back from Peter Coxhead. The responses are below. Is it true there is a hierarchy to naming conventions, or is Peter justifying Plantdrew's move? If there is a hierarchy, shouldn't the lower class guidelines be updated to incorporate the higher class ones? I'd start a discussion on Tree of Life, but I'm not sure of any past discussions or how divisive the discussion might be. Reason why I'm bringing it up is as I work on rodents on the mammal side, or obscure fish species (or any other lower animal taxa for that matter)l, I don't want to get everyone in a tizzy. But I'd like to use the name for the article which is most stable, and try to use English common names when one is listed if it is not ambiguous. From Peter's comments below, he says try to use the most frequently used name, whether it be vernacular or scientific. How does one determine that?.....Thoughts?...... Plantdrew, I saw you moved some amphibians from vernacular to binomial names and cited the use of the binomial name was more commonly used as your justificatation. Naming conventions (fauna) states something a little different:
 * here is discussion so far:
 * "When what is the most common name in English, or the veracity of that most common name, is so disputed in reliable sources that it cannot be neutrally ascertained, prefer the common name most used (orthography aside) by international zoological nomenclature authorities over regional ones. When there is no common name or no consensus can be reached on the most common name, or if it isn't clear what taxon the common name refers to, use the scientific name."

That statement in my interpretation says use common name whenever possible, unless there is none or the common name is ambiguous. It said nothing about popularity. I see those amphibians have more than one common name, so without doing any background checking, those common names may have equal value and be in fact ambiguous, but that's not what you wrote. I also know Wikipedia says its statements should serve as guidelines, not rules that must be adhered to. Given all of that, since I have plenty going on, I won't revert the amphibian titles, but I thought I'd send you both the WP fauna guideline, and my interpretation, so we try to avoid future conflicts. Thoughts?....Pvmoutside (talk) 05:10, 21 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Naming conventions (fauna) cannot override WP:AT, which says that Wikipedia generally prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. If the most frequently used name is the scientific name, then that is the most common name. "Common name" in WP:AT does not mean "vernacular name", although it is frequently misinterpreted to do so. Peter coxhead (talk) 20:50, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

My interpretation is that it is a minefield. Have a look at the fur seal. New Zealand fur seal is the most common name...but is also disputed. And look at that. My prediction is that you've been reverted...a disputed move will require a discussion...and it will end up like the fur seal discussion. Life is too short. So continuing page moves is a good way of making enemies. The capitalisation of bird names got really really nasty....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:47, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

My ideal would be everything at scientific names, but failing that I'd have everything outside vertebrates as scientific names. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:49, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Corvus (constellation) scheduled for TFA
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Thank you for another good one! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:04, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for adding to the mythological critters list...
I color-coded your entry, if you'd be willing to check and make sure I did so correctly, I'd appreciate it (there's yes-maybe-no color coding so people can tell more or less at a glance which works have what).

Also, feel free to add any other books/series/shows/etc you're sufficiently familiar with. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tamtrible (talk • contribs) 18:54, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

WikiCup 2017 September newsletter
Round 4 of the WikiCup has ended and we move forward into the final round. In round 4, a total of 12 FAs, 3 FLs, 44 GAs, 3 FLs, 79 DYKs, 1 ITN and 42 GARs was achieved, with no FPs or FTs this time. Congratulations to Peacemaker67 on the Royal Yugoslav Navy Good Topic of 36 items, and the 12 featured articles achieved by Cas Liber (5), Vanamonde93 (3), Peacemaker67 (2), Adityavagarwal (1) and 12george1 (1). With a FA scoring 200 points, and bonus points available on top of this, FAs are likely to feature heavily in the final round. Meanwhile Yellow Evan, a typhoon specialist, was contributing 12 DYKs and 10 GAs, while Adityavagarwal and Freikorp topped the GAR list with 8 reviews each. As we enter the final round, we are down to eight contestants, and we would like to thank those of you who have been eliminated for the useful contributions you have made to the Cup and Wikipedia. The lowest score needed to reach round 5 was 305, and I think we can expect a highly competitive final round.

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Prose review
Hi Casliber, would you like to give a prose review at my FAC here? One of the coordinators (perhaps leaning support) requested to have it looked over by another editor, and I thought you fit the bill. Hoping for your acceptance, SLIGHTLY  mad   03:42, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure, just popping in and out IRL - happy to take a look. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:51, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Jill Valentine
Hello. You previously supported my FAC for Jill Valentine. While the original nomination did receive seven supports on prose, two unfinished reviews opposed on issues of sourcing and comprehensiveness, and the nomination was closed. After a series of improvements I have now renominated the article; see here. Your comments would be most welcome. Cheers. Freikorp (talk) 02:34, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Forktails
Greetings, Cas. I just began work on a few articles on Forktails; though I've been interested in birds for a long while, this is the first I've found time to do content work on any. I had hopes of getting a couple to GA; but so far with white-crowned forktail and slaty-backed forktail, I find I'm hampered by lack of material. If you've got a moment, would you mind taking a quick look to see if it's even worth considering GAN? Also, do you happen to have HBW access? If so, some assistance; particularly with respect to the bibliography section; would be very helpful. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 06:40, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't have HBW access, but I do via university have access to fulltexts of many journals (particularly Australian ones). I'll take a look. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:06, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I found a great ref in Peter Clement's Robin's and Chats. FWIW I'm going to send one of these to GAN shortly; would you be interested in reviewing? Cheers, Vanamonde (talk) 16:30, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * There is some more material to add I think. By the time I have finished tinkering I will have been too involved to review, but there are a few other biology reviewers who will do a thorough job, so don't worry about that. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:39, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, and thanks for the help. Vanamonde (talk) 03:35, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I found some stuff for the slaty-backed forktail, which is big enough now. Will scour scholar for some more. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:48, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks, sent to GAN. Still on the brief side, I'll dig through scholar as well. Also going to work on White-crowned forktail now. Vanamonde (talk) 04:35, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Mail
... is what you've got. - Dank (push to talk) 12:11, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Words fail me
Hello Mr CasLiber

I'm afraid words fail me. I wrote an article a while back about a cannon in Penang. It took about a week to research and a further week to write. I remember you supported it at FAC.

The article was vandalized not so long ago: Schrocat reverted the damage and you blocked the vandal.

The vandal's user page, User:Signora_Libre, is interesting. A moderator called User:Berean_Hunter has decided the vandal is in fact a sock of Singora, the article's author. In other words, I'm considered a sock who vandalizes his own work.

Words fail me. As I've made clear elsewhere, you guys on this website are (collectively) the most useless, incompetent fools I've ever come across. Some of you are absolutely fucking hopeless.

Allow me to enlighten you. The account Signora_Libre was set up by an Indian sock with dozens (possibly hundreds) of names, one of which was HRA 1924. They all claim allegiance to India Against Corruption, yet have little to do with it. The sock pretends to be a lawyer and uses pseudo-legalese to issue nonsensical threats. On another website this HRA character announced he/she was suing me for 20 million Euros. If you'd like to see the thread, just say so. A large number of troll / vandal accounts on Wikipedia are managed by this individual.

Ask SchroCat for more info. He reverted another round of vandalism by this character a few days ago.


 * I dunno how seriously to take this, Cas, but if you want me to I'll take a closer look: I had a fair number of run-ins with the IAC sockfarm, a couple of years ago. Vanamonde (talk) 16:47, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't know. It's not an area I have had much to do with so have no opinion as yet on level of disruptiveness. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:23, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, when I find the time I'll see if there's any evidence that the vandal was IAC; I'm not likely to have time to do more than that. Vanamonde (talk) 04:46, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * FWIW: Signora Libre is an abusive sockpuppet (obviously) but I can't see any slam dunk evidence of their being IAC. The one trait they have in common is the yells of "COI!" based on spurious evidence, as here. That said, I'm not convinced, and my gut feeling is that the IP address is just throwing stuff and trying to get it to stick. Vanamonde (talk) 05:40, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah that was my impression too. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:26, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 * / Let's try again. Check:
 * 1. The guy you need to meet is Sarbajit Roy. He's unlike anyone you've ever met.
 * 2. Example: http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=6186&hilit=Sarbajit+Roy
 * 3. The IAC -- in its current entirety -- is Sarbajit Roy
 * 4. I outed him on a now defunct forum (Wikipedia Review). I mocked him.
 * 5. He created a new account (he seems to be able to do this in seconds) and presented himself as a Professor at Yale University.
 * 6. He explained that while I went to Oxford University, I lack the ability to understand the complex "IAC Hive Mindset"
 * 7. What does this actually mean?
 * 8. I told him to piss off. He called me a "bitch" and took pleasure from telling me how he'd vandalized that Seri Rambai article I wrote.
 * 9. If you want further details, ask.
 * 10. You all know that I -- Singora / Andrew -- don't vandalize articles I wrote. Of course I fucking don't. Sort out this sad cunt Berean Hunter who thinks otherwise. I'll contact the WMF on Monday if I see I'm still being described as a sock / vandal.
 * 11. I've been asked to discuss the DRMIES situation. During the course of my ban an auto-block kicked in. I guess the system detected I'm a scummy troll and a scummy vandal. No. I've never trolled or vandalized. The auto-block was triggered manually by DRMIES. Initially we were prepared to forgive and forget, but not now. I honestly don't know what will happen to him. I only know he's pushed his luck way too far. What happens next is NOTHING to do with me.


 * Alright, person currently using an IP address. I'm not impressed with your attitude here, but I've an open mind, which is why I investigated the Signora Libre account in the first place. Despite familiarity with IAC, I cannot with any confidence say that Signora Libre was a IAC sock. I don't know enough about your case to make any judgement as to whether you are a sock or not, so it's up to you to convince me. If you wish to do so, you need to provide more evidence than a 2012 wikipediocracy thread as to why you think IAC is operating Signora Libre; as in, evidence beyond your say-so as to the exchange you described above. Cas, if you'd rather not be bothered any more, I can shift this to my talk. Vanamonde (talk) 08:21, 25 September 2017 (UTC)


 * You, fool, know zilch.
 * 1. You know nothing about Colonel Dyer and the Amritsar Massacre in 1919.
 * 2. You are not familiar with the Hindustan Republican Association (also known as the Hindustan Republican Army), founded in 1924.
 * 3. You've never heard of Gandhi's pamphlet "The Cult of the Bomb", or the HRA's reply to it "The Philosophy of the Bomb".
 * 4. You were not reading the now defunct forum, Wikipedia Review, when a member called HRA 1924 was banned for discussing his plans to bomb the WMF offices in San Francisco.
 * 5. To some extent this incident is recalled here: http://wikipedia-sucks-badly.blogspot.com/2017/08/end-of-summer-grab-bag.html#comment-form
 * 6. You know sod all about the IAC movement, founded in 2007, that achieved prominence between 2010 - 2012, but which is now dead and buried.
 * 7. You've never heard of the one guy, Sarbajit Roy, that tries desperately to keep the movement afloat.
 * 8. Do a reverse domain lookup on Roy. See what domains he owns. Find out more about the World Intellectual Property Organization's case against him (instigated by the Wikimedia Foundation) for his ownership of the domain wikimedia.xyz. See how Roy attempted to defend himself with a 46-page document. Note too his claim that the WIPO was unfit to oversee the case as they were in cahoots with the WMF.
 * 9. Find out why that forum, Wikipedia Review, was taken offline by ProBoards. Shortly before its demise it was cloned and populated with content plagiarized from the original. There's commentary about this over on Reddit. Check it out. More recently, another forum (wikirev.org) was also cloned on ProBoards. Like its sister clone, and along with the original Wikipedia Review forum, it's now been taken offline by ProBoards.
 * 10. And at this point we're in the realms of pure and utter fucking madness. I've never seen anything like it. It all comes comes from one man, Sarbajit Roy. He posts as women as frequently as men; he often talks to himself. He's slimy beyond belief. He's completely nuts.
 * 11. In February 2000 I met my son's mother in Bangkok. She told me a Thai expression I'll never forget: if you ever come across a cobra and an Indian, kill the Indian first
 * Ummm....I have been in transit. I looked up a bit of this but sounds....complicated. I suspect there are a fair few editors here who would take exception to point 11...just sayin'.... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:08, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah. that entire last was a bit much. I guess admins can be expected to meet hostility with helpfulness once or even twice. Three times is too much for me: I was asking for evidence (not much to ask, in the circumstances) and what I get in return is abuse and what amounts to a request to find it myself. Thanks, but no, that's about enough. Vanamonde (talk) 17:31, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hi Cas, thank you for your comments at my RfA. Your support is much appreciated! ansh 666 20:30, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

FAC mentor
Would you consider mentoring me on my first FAC. I have improved Abebe Bikila to GA. It has previously gone through a peer review, GOCE, and a GA review. &mdash;አቤል ዳዊት?(Janweh64) (talk) 04:25, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure. happy to help out. Let me have a quick read first. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:29, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Determining IUCN version #s
Hi Cas, I see you've made some recent transclusions of IUCN. About a year ago I performed the first steps toward correcting the incorrect usage of #.# (version is meant to accept  or , while criteria-version accepts values such as  , per template documentation). I documented my efforts here: Template talk:IUCN2010.

I am only operating at a superficial level though, unsure how to proceed, and am wondering if you could help either directly (fixing them yourself) or indirectly (advice to me). Is there an easy (i.e. machine readable or html parsable) way to determine the correct version of IUCNs, either on or off WP? As of now, there are 580 pages which need their version corrected. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 16:33, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Errr...they should all be the latest (I think) - let me take a look. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:22, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

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Bird barnstar

 * Thx Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:54, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Murder of Kylie Maybury
Hi Can you give Murder of Kylie Maybury a look? Thank you. Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 20:25, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Are you planning on expanding it? It's pretty short at the moment...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:38, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Weichenwang
Cas Liber, the nominator has responded to your review, but didn't ping you. Can you please stop by when you get the chance to see where this review stands? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:56, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, might be several hours but will do. thx 4 ping...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:08, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Women in Red/The World Contest
Hi, can you and take care of the publicity side of this? A central notice again? It starts on November 1 and around $4500 of Amazon vouchers or paid subscriptions to win. Hope you're well.♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:40, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

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Sn(e)aky things
Circéus (talk) 17:48, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Furine is really just am arbitrary francization of the Latin generic name.
 * I'm not seeing anything out of place with your characterization of Duméril's paper, which doesn't have much else to say on the species.
 * I'm not nearly as eager to say that Krefft genuinely made a new combination because it looks to me as though it's some sort of error since he refers to F. textilis everywhere else in the paper, and makes no other reference to Pseudonaja. However, the zoological code as I understand it ascribes almost no usefulness to the author/place/date of publication of new combinations so that almost no one ever seems to keep track of that. Thus no one would ever care to argue one way or the other, sadly.
 * I think if you can find who figured out the connection between F. textilis and Fischer/Gunther's names, it would be a nice addition.
 * Speaking of, why aren't those names and their eventual homotypic synonyms not in the taxobox? (I'd never seen that formatting to list a combination author. neat)


 * Ok playing detective...in 1862 Gunther is calling it Pseudonaja textilis - see here. So I guess he did get the snake from Krefft and adopt Krefft's name. By 1896 Boulenger is calling it Diemenia textilis and has identified all specimens listed as referring to this species. He gives Krefft as the authority for the name change but given its an animal and not a plant it's not so important as the second authority doesn't get recognised outside the parentheses anyway...still, it does seem that Krefft just idly listed the name. Funny really. Fun to dig up... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:07, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Personally that oddball way that ICZN treat combinations as a weird "attachment" to species names and the writing in it in general (which I find incredibly opaque, and I say that as someone who often enjoys reading court decisions!) are amongst the reasons I normally refuse to touch zoological nomenclature with a 10ft pole. Gimme a properly informatized name index please! Circéus (talk) 19:03, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Question!
Hello, i am bubblegumcandy and i am still quite a new user and still getting to know edits. So i have edited a bunch of pages by now all of them music related and i have added reliable citations to every single edit i do and this user called Biksternet has removed every single edit by me the user has also violated me saying that i am block evasion of Hercules123! i have ask the user questions why he did everything on his talk page but, He removed every single message from me and the user is not answering me i was wondering if you could help? Since you are above an administrator if i am at the wrong user could you direct me to someone who will explain? Bubblegumcandy (talk) 07:43, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Not sure yet. I will let you know later. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:45, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * User was blocked for sockpuppetry., I don't think it's productive to automatically revert the addition of sources, even if they were added by a blocked user. Jc86035 (talk) 09:24, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you. Figaro (talk) 04:42, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * You're welcome.....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:06, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Northern rosella
Alex ShihTalk 00:03, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

so if i get this right
plants that are endangered and rare etc get something in their boxes, lizards and the like dont? JarrahTree 09:41, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * No, they all should. Issue is that some newly described or slit species might not have been logged yet. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 18:12, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * But then again...there seem to be some species missing from here when you look up Varanus as a search term....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 18:21, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Ta JarrahTree 03:04, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Black vulture
It's likely that this old FA will be run as a TFA in November. I tweaked the taxonomy section to update and replace a dead link with a 2017 source, but I'm really pushed for time in RL at the moment. Do you think that you could take a look and buff it up a bit if necessary? Thanks Jimfbleak - talk to me?  07:37, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:40, 21 October 2017 (UTC)


 * the taxo section is a bit of a challenge. got it in ok shape but have put out a request for more (pity it isn't Australian as they are easier to track!) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:08, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Ampulloclitocybe clavipes
Alex ShihTalk 00:02, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Circling the vulture article
Yup, Vieillot indeed invokes upon Saint-Hilaire in the shortest of way at Coragyps (Unsurprisingly, given the book title explicitly mentions it, he discusses said classifications extensively on p. xxxix and ff.) but never actually quotes a specific place of publication (assuming one even exists). It's worth pointing out Saint-Hilaire published relatively little in the way of books. Seems like there used to be some confusion on this since earlier checklist in the 90s did attribute the name to Saint-Hilaire. There's an English paper discussing it for the first time in that language here, though it was first pointed out in the 70s by a Russian author, as pointed out here.

For Catharista, the reference you want is apparently pp. 21-22 of Analyse d'une nouvelle ornithologie élémentaire (1816). One of those offhand creations you see a lot more of in 18-19th century zoology material than in botany, it seems to me. I'm assuming Catharista is typified on C. (now Cathartes) aura and not C. (now Coragyps) urubu. Presumably almost no one (as Bonaparte hoped, it seems XD) agreed with him, hence why you could find hardly any references to the name.

Do you use Zoonomen? It's almost an ornithological IPNI and I find it very useful a reference. Circéus (talk) 01:28, 22 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Wow, I had not seen that before. Very helpful. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:12, 22 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Err... maybe its just my fatigue...but which paper is the one discussing Saint-Hilaire on that link? It's an index...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:21, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Oops, my bad! It's here. Circéus (talk) 16:03, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Halloween cheer!


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Queue 3
Hi, there's still some debate about the William Carpentier hook at WT:DYK, and a new hook has been proposed. Do you mind moving it back to prep so we can work on it? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 21:31, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Alex Owumi GA nomination
Hello, I thought you might be interested in taking a look at the article of basketball player Alex Owumi and maybe considering reviewing it for GA, as you are very experienced with good articles. It was nominated many months ago and is about a fascinating topic, but it still has not been reviewed. Thank you. TempleM (talk) 18:00, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, sure. I'll take a look Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:58, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the review. I have put the article out for FA consideration, so if you want to give any more input, check out the candidate page here. TempleM (talk) 01:56, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

i have a sense
of how busy and caught up you can get - it would be interesting to get a handle on your take on the thing coming up in a week or two - any means would be ok - no rush JarrahTree 00:55, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * email me. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:58, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * ta JarrahTree 00:59, 2 November 2017 (UTC)✅ JarrahTree 01:05, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I am assuming from no replies, no interest JarrahTree 00:12, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Assume full plate and headless chicken status. I'll look at email and think. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:15, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Twins! in the dulcet tones of the late Frank Zappa when talking about the status of jazz - I can relate to that... my plate(s) (sic) overfloweth and there are multidinous fowls in the yard and they all appear the same - headless - no big deal if its a resounding go away to the wing clipped ducks on the stairs requiring an audience with the late Douglas Adams in Swahili JarrahTree 00:21, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
 * where I am I can't look at that email easily (long story) so will be several hours. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:23, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
 * No rush - there were two - basically it (the reply) is not needed before next weekend anyways - if necessary a phone conversation on the weekend could allay fears of a time waster/brain drainer whatever - just a small if possible amount of time at the end of the thing - no immediate reply wanted or needed (cripes Australian grinds to a halt anyways in a few hours) JarrahTree 00:26, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

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