User talk:Cassianto/Archives/2019/October

Michael Hordern
With this edit you have reintroduced errors in referencing noted by me on the talk page. Pleas take the time to read my edit summaries and the thread on the talk page, and then revert yourself. DuncanHill (talk) 11:25, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Please take the time to fix the errors rather than expecting others to do it for you.   Cassianto Talk  11:54, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I did fix the error about the radio and TV versions of The Dock Brief, you deliberately re-introduced it. DuncanHill (talk) 11:55, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * So what's with the tags?  Cassianto Talk  11:57, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The ref you give for the BAFTA is wrong, as noted on the talk page and in the edit summary on the article, and there is no ref for the BAFTA being for The Dock Brief. Please try paying attention instead of dismissing valid concerns raised in a valid manner. You are being profoundly unhelpful and uncooperative. DuncanHill (talk) 12:01, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Then go and find the right citation? It's a collaborative effort; you seem to be putting the onus on someone else.  Cassianto Talk  12:17, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

The tag was placed by: earned Hordern a Best Actor Award at the 1958 British Academy Television Awards although it's also mentioned in the lede In 1958 he won a best actor award at that year's British Academy Television Awards for his role as the barrister in John Mortimer's courtroom drama The Dock Brief. Well, looking at it... Donald Pleasence won the 1958 award. Mr rnddude (talk) 12:13, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Mistakes are made. If it's wrong, then it's no beef finding the correct citation. If it's false, delete it altogether.  Tagging is not helpful.   Cassianto Talk  12:16, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Pleasence got the "Actor in 1958" award; Hordern got the "Actor in 1957" award. - Dank (push to talk) 16:18, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you,, most helpful. What is the source?  Cassianto Talk  16:20, 1 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I've added a source to show Hordern won the award for The Dock Brief. - SchroCat (talk) 16:23, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Fantastic (though I haven't had a chance to look at everything ... lunch, back soon). - Dank (push to talk) 16:26, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, SchroCat. Thanks to you, Hordern is now even less craper than it was., I believe this now addresses your concerns?  Cassianto Talk  16:28, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

(TPW comment) It looks like you're both right about the date. Awards ceremonies are held the following year, so the "best foo in 1950" award ceremony would be held in 1951, as otherwise the judges couldn't be aware of every performance/book/artwork etc in any given year. With the popularity of the Oscars—which are dated by the year they were awarded rather than the year the film was released (never the same, as the Oscar eligibility window closes on 31 December), British awards are now listed by the year of presentation but that wasn't the case then (if you look at the full list of winners on the BAFTA archive you can see the jump between 1967 and 1969 when they switched from "year of performance" to "year the award was presented"), so he would have received the 1957 award in 1958. On an unrelated note, I've added a bunch of photos of Dan Leno's grave (and an annoyingly-positioned wheely bin) which I happened to walk past the other day, if they're any use to you &#8209; Iridescent 16:44, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Iri. Yes, Tooting cemetery, I believe. I've been there a few times. Leno's page already had one, which I took when I wrote the article in 2012. It looks to have had a mediocre restoration (the epitaph plate has been reaffixed) so I've picked one of yours, instead. Thanks very much. It may be possible to have it listed with Historic England.  I shall have to make some enquiries.   Cassianto Talk  17:04, 1 October 2019 (UTC)


 * (ec)No need to thank me for fixing the incorrect date and reference for the television version. I already pointed out - on the article talk page - the Donald Pleasence thing you thanked  for, no need to thank me for that either. DuncanHill (talk) 16:47, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * You're too modest. How about an apology for dismissing someone else's hard work as "crap"? That way, we can move on?  Cassianto Talk  16:54, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * There's no reason for me to get involved in this particular dispute ... but it might be a good idea to create a page in TFA space that addresses some of these issues. It doesn't happen often, but it happens regularly, that we get a fundamental disagreement over procedure between people who have a good sense of how WP:ERRORS works (such as DuncanHill) and people who have a good sense of how the whole FA process works (such SchroCat). It's easy for people to dismiss disputes like these as squabbling ... people generally do dismiss them ... but I think the underlying issues are completely valid. - Dank (push to talk) 17:09, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The issues, as far as I can see, have now been sorted. But so far today, I have had an admin openly call my hard work "substandard" and another editor call it "crap". This,, is why I always decline the offer of having my FAs displayed on the main page. It's more trouble than it's worth.   Cassianto Talk  17:18, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:36, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for catching vandalism! Could you perhaps check/watch Franz Kafka, TFA-to-be on his birthday? I remember you helped there in the past. Such a useful quote about his Das Schloss in our article: "about alienation, unresponsive bureaucracy, the frustration of trying to conduct business with non-transparent, seemingly arbitrary controlling systems, and the futile pursuit of an unobtainable goal". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:36, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

It went well, and not too much vandalism. Heard some Boccherini open air in the cloisters tonight. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:28, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Congrats to Matcham for FA! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:47, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much, and for all your efforts. Love a bit of Boccherini, despite his status as a one-hit-wonder.   Cassianto Talk  15:43, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for Michael Hordern, - "For nearly 60 years, the English actor Michael Hordern appeared on stage, television, and film. He was as frequent in Shakespearean plays as his more famous contemporaries, Olivier, Richardson, and Gielgud. The title role in King Lear was perhaps Hordern's most notable role for which he sought the advice from Gielgud on how best to play King Lear. Gielgud told him: "All I can tell you is, get a light Cordelia." Hordern was as comfortable playing straight roles as he was comedy. He was, as one critic put it, "one of the great eccentrics of his profession, perched perilously somewhere half way between Alistair Sim and Alec Guinness.""! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:53, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Emmeline Pankhurst
Thank you for your advice/edit - replied on my talk page

Kaybeesquared (talk) 21:38, 4 October 2019 (UTC)