User talk:Cassidy (Wiki Ed)/Sexuality studies

Feedback on the draft
Thanks for taking the time to provide feedback on this draft. Please leave your feedback in a new section below. Cassidy (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:45, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Standardizing LGBT+
This draft uses the terms "LGBT" and "LGBTQ+".

The letters have been a source of controversy perpetually. English Wikipedia uses "LGBT", which is the WP:COMMONNAME. Internally, Wiki LGBT+ supporters have settled on "LGBT+" as the term of choice, because everyone wants more inclusion but also we need a term that people can use consistently and that matches with publishing norms.

I lightly propose that this guide use LGBT+ after meta:Wikimedia LGBT+, since this guide could match Wikimedia community publishing style. Consider also pinging that group, and perhaps also send this guide to the Wikimedia Conference community representatives who will be meeting in a week. Alternatively, "LGBT" is the term which matches English Wikipedia's own style, and that works. The only option which I push against is variation - whatever term used should be consistent in the document.  Blue Rasberry  (talk)  19:35, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi User:Bluerasberry, thanks so much for your review. This is indeed a question we've been grappling with as well. Initially we decided we'd use LGBTQ+ where Wiki Education mentions the term (as it's more representative of what students are seeing in their courses and in US/Canada pop culture, etc.), and LGBT when it was a Wikipedia-specific article or group that is so-titled. It's definitely something we'll look at as we get more feedback and move forward with the draft. Thanks again for your thoughts. Cassidy (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:49, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Avoid university targeting?
I know that Wiki Ed targets universities. However, the similar "Women's studies" pamphlet which Wiki Ed produced got a lot of play outside university contexts in women's outreach programs. Similarly, I think this guide could get the same kind of circulation plus circulation in LGBT groups. Consider the expected audience and the extent to which it is essential that you include text like, "Plagiarism is a violation of your university's academic honor code", and whether you can use something like "The wiki community does whatever it can to avoid plagiarism", or any such alternative.  Blue Rasberry  (talk)  19:40, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


 * User:Bluerasberry, Thanks for this point! Cassidy (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:53, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Overall feedback
A couple items for overall feedback / questions:
 * Will there be links to help guide new users, such as in the section about accuracy, to perhaps link to guidelines for providing credible resources to support claims?
 * Is there a need to link to understanding how to use Talk pages in the section about engaging with editors and discussion on Wikipedia so new editors can have resources to learning about where and how to talk in this somewhat foreign format?
 * Students may not know the difference between primary and secondary sources, so perhaps linking to a more detailed explanation of them may be helpful.
 * Articles and discussions that relate to issues on sexuality studies can be murky depending on how one understands what "the facts" are. Unfortunately, with the rise of Fake News, simply stating "Present the facts" is not enough anymore as the notion of facts is under siege. I think some links to further discussion or reading may be useful here, including something that further explores what is meant by a "reliable publisher of literature" which would generally not be known by students new to a topic.
 * Finally, it may be helpful to in some way mention how Wikipedia seeks to present articles in a neutral tone, which means try to avoid value judgements or stating things to prove your point. Not sure how to state this, but I am increasingly finding students having trouble identifying this in their work, and as a result having trouble avoiding it.

Thanks for asking for feedback! FULBERT (talk) 18:43, 7 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks so much for your feedback! To respond to your initial question, yes — students will be reading this guide in conjunction with trainings that go over sourcing guidelines. Similarly, they'll have also taken a training to learn about Talk pages. Thank you for these other points, as well. We'll definitely be taking them into account as we revise the draft. Cassidy (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:56, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Sexuality studies brochure draft has been updated
Hi and, Thanks again for your feedback on Wiki Education's new brochure for students editing gender and sexuality topics. I wanted to let you both know that I've incorporated changes, in case you'd like to take another look. Specifically, I've changed the title of the brochure (in attempts to standardize the LGBT+ acronym), added a note about avoiding soap-boxing, and added a new paragraph about using cultural-specific and time period-specific LGBT+ terminology.

We'll be moving forward with printing the brochure starting next week, 3/2, so if you have any more thoughts, I'd appreciate them before then. Thanks again! Cassidy (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:03, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks Cassidy (Wiki Ed). I am happy to take another look, but am having trouble locating the revised version. Can you point me to it? Thanks. --- FULBERT (talk) 22:02, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, I revised the original draft, found here User:Cassidy (Wiki Ed)/Sexuality studies. Thanks! Cassidy (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:28, 30 April 2018 (UTC)