User talk:Cassiopeia/CVUA/Amkgp

Tools:Assignment
Good day, I have completed the additional tasks. Thank you. Amkgp (talk) 09:47, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Additional task completed. Please have a look. Amkgp (talk) 06:25, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * can I apply for rollback permission? Please find my patrol log and advanced review log .Also, find Special:Contributions/Amkgp for WP:AIV and WP:AN/3 reporting. Thank you. Amkgp (talk) 06:41, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , You can apply the rollback when you have finished the final exam of this program. Cassiopeia(talk) 11:41, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , OK Amkgp (talk) 13:41, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

CSD issue
Due to few wrong CSD tagging earlier I was suggested by the admin to restrict myself for sometime with CSD tagging. So I have stopped there-after and enrolled in NPP School for improving on that area along with CVUA. So, I asked for permission to execute tagging from the Admin for assignment purpose, for which admin suggested the decision to be taken by instructor. Please suggest what should I do? The link to permission/discussion User_talk:Rosguill. My past deletion-tag log. Thank you. Amkgp (talk) 18:09, 5 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for informing me and provide me your CSD log. Pls provide me the hist diff of the conversation where by which articles were wrong tag and the communication whereby you were told to stop tag CSD so I may know the issues involved. Thank you. Cassiopeia(talk) 07:19, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , One of the editors pointed errors in CSD tagging, so to understand properly I approached here User_talk:Primefac/Archive_27 and few days later this happened User_talk:Rosguill. I cannot provide the diffs because deletion log for twinkle was not enabled. Thereafter I enabled. Currently, I am also taking the NPP course under Utopes monitored by User:Barkeep49 besides this course. Thank you. Amkgp (talk) 08:02, 6 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I included Utopes here as he/she is your trainer for NPPSCHOOL program which I am the one who initially set up the program and material, where by participant need to get about 85-90% CSD nomination correctly to graduate from the program.
 * Thank you for providing me the hist diffs and I have read Your talk page titled "Please request removal of pending changes privileges, redux", "Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion", your talk Archive titled "Tagging, again", "Please request removal of pending changes privileges", "Please look closely before accepting edits via pending review.." and some "I have unreviewed a page you curated" message as well as User talk:Primefac/Archive 27 titled "Is this the correct way to remove WP:CSD notices?", (2) Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring titled User:Amkgp reported by User:Toddst1 (Result: Warned)" and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Soroushia/Archive sockpuppet" and other edits, suggest you are luck the experience and understanding of many Wikipedia guidelines to have the NPP, AfC rights and  pending changes privileges at the moment.
 * First of all user Phil Bridger nor User:Toddst1 were not rude nor defame you (no one attack you by the way) as they was concern of you editing which were incorrect and also many of your work in NPP and other edits have been raising concerned by editors and admins. To have the rights/privileges - you need to read through all the necessary guidelines and links (many many pages) so you may be use the tools/right correctly which is your responsibility to do so. If you dont understand or how to apply the guidelines you can always ask another more experience editor/admin for assistance or take up NPPSCHOOL program or CVUA program you have done which are the right things to do (or you should have done them first prior asking for the rights and use them). However, you have to slow down on your edits and I do concur with all the editors that you might not have enough knowledge to use the user rights until you have understand the guidelines and able to use them properly. By the way there are assignment regarding personal attack, sock puppet and 3RR in the later assignments in CVUA. You should have to read 3RR and sock guidelines well before defend yourself (3RR) and sock on how to file/why/what need to be included/evident prior you report it. On the note of 3RR if an editor revert more than 3 times within the time frame of 24 hours in the same article, then they are in violation of 3RR unless the edit is "blatantly vandalism in nature". From the history log of Crash Landing on You, you and user Soroushia both did engaged in edit warring as "unsourced edit" is not a "blatantly vandalism edit" and I presume you will be blocked by admin soon. If you are blocked (presumably a temporary block) then I need to drop you from CVUA program and it is up to Utopes' decision if he keeps you on NPPSCHOOL program. Students need to have 6 months good editing from their last block to be in the program. If you are blocked and if you still interested in the program then come back 6 months from now to re-enroll provided you all you edits are constructive and for the mean time, pls slow down on your edit, read all the guidelines, ask questions. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia(talk) 09:21, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the explanation and cautioning, is my current coursework stands halted from this moment or will it continue as it is going? What about the assignment 6? Are my answers not going to be evaluated? I have been warned for the last time. Please let me know. Thank you Amkgp (talk) 09:38, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If you find that I am not in good standing or you feel that I am certainly going to be punished, please let me know then I will drop myself voluntarily as per rules and guidelines stated. Thank you. Amkgp (talk) 09:51, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Amkgp, It is a punishment but act as per guidelines. I appreciate you enthusiasm and continuation but certain right needs to match the knowledge acquaired. Do finish Q1 CSD and leave the last questions aside and continue if you are not blocked and I will reviewed them. If you are blocked then assume the program without needing to redo Assignment 1-5 and the what have been reviewed in Assignment 6. At the mean time you always can pop by to my talk page if you need any assistance. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia(talk) 09:59, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , Ok I have already re-written Q1 CSD as you suggested. Please review them. Would be happy to proceed as before until a decision. Thank you. Amkgp (talk) 10:05, 6 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Good day, I wanted to inform you that the 3RR incident has been archived. I presume that the outcome was "WARNED" and will NOT be blocked. I assure to perform as per guidelines strictly and leave controversial edits/moves for senior editors/admin to execute. I hope to continue both the CVUA and NPP program as its going. Thank you. ~Amkgp ( ✉ ) 04:15, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Let wait until the 3RR is archived first. Thank you.<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:105%;color:#FA0"> Cassiopeia</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 10:03, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , Its archived now, link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive407#User:Amkgp_reported_by_User:Toddst1_(Result:_Warned) ~Amkgp ( ✉ ) 12:02, 8 May 2020 (UTC)


 * , Hi Utopes and Barkeep49, pls see admin decided not to place block on 3RR but warned and archived the incident above.
 * Hi Amkgp, I have to say you are lucky that admin choose not to act upon the incident as I have seen numbers of time when counter vandalsim editors were provoke by bad faith editors or click the revert button too quickly or have been doing hours of vandalism work in one night and forget that the revert one too many of non blatantly vandalism edit and were blocked by admin even they are long term (7-8 years) consistent counter vandalism fighter and achieve no avail even numerous apologies and admit their wrong doing and admin choose not to lift the banned or just give a warning. Thurs they felt so disappointed with all the handwork and time spent which count in hundred of thousand hours wasted without any respect or appreciation where by the admin would justify the vandalized editor were new and should be treat in good faith or educated. We rushed in and asked the vandalism fighters to take a break instead of retiring from Wikipedia, but almost all of them left for good. It is so sad to see this happen so many times especially for a trainer. So please be very careful when revert non vandalism edits and pls slow down not only in CUVA work but also in NPPSCHOOL /article review. Please note Wikipedia is ALWAYS HERE. Instead of doing the contribution, spend time to read the guidelines over and over again and ask questions if you need help. Experience editors always will give a helping hand to those in need especially if you are civil and polite.  When I started editing Wikipedia, I didn't know which platform for seeking help or who to ask if I dont understand something and didnt even know where to search for info and I just start click the welcome message link and read them every night. So I understand the learning curve is particular very steep and the reading material/guidelines are massive and it seems like a herculean task but surely and slowly you would know some basic guidelines in time. I dont think we know all the guidelines even years and years of editing Wikipedia, because they are so many.


 * One thing to note if your not sure if a new article meets CSD criteria or pending changes reviews, counter vandalism edits, if you are not sure about the edits (whether is a vandalism edit or disruptive edit or good faith /bad faith) then just do nothing and let other more experienced reviewers, vandalism fighter or editors who knows more about the subject to action. One thing to note, when it comes to the statistic of sport person or sport results, do nothing about the edits, unless you are very familiar with the sport or the sport person statistic and know where to find source to back up your claim when you find an edit which is considered fault/vandalism. Often we see the results and the sportsperson statistic updated within the same minute when the sport is finished and no sources are provided as the the interest editor(s) update the info after watching the sport event live minutes before.


 * CSD is a small part in CVUA as compared to NPPSCHOOL program whereby "Use the Speedy Deletion criteria with at least 90% accuracy and apply appropriate tags to article with at least 90% accuracy, successfully use the NPP flowchart, or other system, to arrive at a correct reviewing outcome 90% or more of the time" apply in NPPSCHOOL graduation criteria. There will be an assignment in NPPSCHOOL just about CSD as to filter out articles that should not be in Wikipedia main-space (CSD especially, vandalism/attack page/ COPYVIO/Promo) which is the first thing we check when we review an article. I believe your trainer Utopes will run through with you on CSD in details. As for CSD question in CUVA assignment, pls see the assignment communication section.


 * Lastly, pls slow down on you edits, when editor post you in your talk page or any talk page asking you numerous time to be careful or slow down your edit or revert your edits, you should take it seriously. some of them are admins actually such as " Please request removal of pending changes privileges", and do take their advise at times, as they know what they are talking about. You could remove your own talk page information but they is actually no point to do so, as all edits made by any editors in Wikipedia will also be found in the history log page and if you remove something that is against you, is just look suspicious and look like you have something to hide such as this HERE where you removed admin advice. Thank you.<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:105%;color:#FA0"> Cassiopeia</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 06:54, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , Okay will keep that in mind. ~Amkgp ( ✉ ) 14:27, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * (and ), just noting that I echo Cass' statement above. As far as NPP goes I would strongly suggest at least three months and better six months go by without this kind of incident before you reapply for the permission. Barkeep49 (talk) 14:49, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Good to know you have noted my message. Do remember, we are here to help and if you have any questions, please ask and we are happy to answer them. And lastly, I need to remind you again pls slow down and do nothing for those edits that you are not sure of or you would send us the hist diff and ask what should be done of the edits and why so you may learn. Stay safe and best.<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:105%;color:#FA0"> Cassiopeia</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 23:49, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , P/S sorry if you find my sentences something a little bit confusing, and if so, pls ask for clarification as I am not a eloquent write for I have a mild condition of Irlen syndrome. Thank you.<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:105%;color:#FA0"> Cassiopeia</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 00:06, 10 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Note to Amkgp and Cass link Amkgp rollback right request/deny here

Permanent course dropout request
Dear, I request to drop me permanently out from the course. I feel its not going to benefit me and appropriate to continue. Will continue to improve and work upon the suggestions as mentioned by the admins. Thank you. ~Amkgp ✉  02:07, 17 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi Amkgp, I believe you are upset with my comment link Amkgp rollback right request/deny here (and the above comments) about the rollback. The comments are for you to take to heart to understand advice of many editors/admins which you should take on and why the reason admin rejected your application. CVUA program is a place to learn and you can always chose any trainer if you wish (ping trainers here) or if you wish to continue with me, then let me know when you are ready. I also notice you dropped out the NPPS program which I encourage to think again. I hope all is going well with you and always do drop by my talk page if you need help. Stay safe and best.<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:105%;color:#FA0"> Cassiopeia</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 03:28, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , If I chose any other trainer I am confident that the same is going to happen as all are interconnected. I have no plans to apply to any new rights. Experience and maturity doesn't seems to count for me here. Only blind echos counts ! I will go through the self study as all courses are accessible and ask for help and clarifications from admins and senior editors who are willing to help in distress rather than creating a mess. Many editors without any training are being granted rights based on their elementary works and good faith only. Though I have no intention to apply anyone new. I have found many of my fellow students are being granted rights at the beginning and mid-way of course based on other trainers suggestion and endorsements. I have been helping many young students on the way when they are unable to perform their assignments. And last thing it was totally in-appropriate to mention about AfC and others in a request page without knowing the background. I was a regular AfC before the NPPS event but it was turned into probationary based on my promising results until then and was instructed to continue for 2-months after which it will be assessed. You could have been clear in views and declined with the reasons that is correct as per Wikipedia policy. I would have happily accepted it. Thank you for all your help. ~Amkgp ✉  04:21, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Not only this, I have found trainers and admins try to support and help a current NPPS student who is blocked due to supposed socket-puppy, you can find out if you feel. See here. Its just an observation how different person's approach can make a difference. Thank you. ~Amkgp ✉  04:26, 17 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Amkgp, To granted for certain rights and participate in CVUA/NPPS are two different things. Rights are granted by admin as they see fit, and participants meet the CUVA/NPPS programs requirements can also enrolled. Rights given can be taken away, if the editors do not understand the guidelines and consistantly applies wrongly. Rights can always be reapplied  after 6 months and right will be given again if edits are deemed constructive or apply correctly. If you have been edit more than 8K as you stated above, you would familiar with certain guidelines. The issue here is that when you have certain rights (which meant you have read the guidelines certain pages associate with the rights prior applying), and applied them wrong in many occasions, which means you have not understand the application of the guidelines.  CUVA and NPPS are the way to go so you have trainers to guide you and stop applying the guidelines (edit) until you understand the basic info. If an admin advice you on certain things, take it to heart (such as CSD tagging). To say all that, you can do all editing without most rights except you cant do review. I have students in NPPS without any NPP reviewer right and still can go through all the assignments in the course. What we saying here is that editors should know the guidelines and how to apply them and seek help when needed and not aiming to have user rights first. If you do every right and know how to apply those guidelines, then to gain the user rights would come naturally. We are not biting you here or punishing you, what the admins and I stated is that go and continue you edits but became to apply them correctly and slow down your edit, take up the program, do the exercises/assignment, ask questions and listen to the advice and not saying one thing and do the other. (such as if you could list the article needs to be tag CSD and done consistence done correctly, then you will be advised to tag them instead to list them). Take a few days to disgust the above if needed to be and hope to see you back to the programs. Stay safe and take care.<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:105%;color:#FA0"> Cassiopeia</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 04:43, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , I see you say Rights are granted by admin as they see fit but you forget to mention that it can be over-tuned by influencing through correct or twisted facts if a trainer or a senior editor wishes. ~Amkgp ✉  04:57, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * by May I know what you meant and pls provide link and evident "you forget to mention that it can be over-tuned by influencing through correct or twisted facts if a trainer or a senior editor wishes". I am heading out for an appointment, so I may not reply for some hours (I mention here, so you wouldn't think I ignore you). You rollback right was not granted for the 3RR you made. Pending changes right was asked by editor that you removed yourself. As for NPP right, I just saw what on this talk page by admin - actions by admin is based on your edits irregardless what other editors said. If other editors states senseless  things, the admins will not act upon it. I was asked to advice on your rollback right as the trainer, and I gave my opinion based on your edits.<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:105%;color:#FA0"> Cassiopeia</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 05:06, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , You could have only mentioned he was involved in 3RR recently. That was enough to decline. But you mentioned AfC etc which was no way required as being an CVUA trainer or opinion related to rollback. As a result, when and if I ever re-apply for AfC after or before expiry of probation. The admin will judge based on your comments in rollback request section because you created a out of box too much negative consensus. Granting admin will not judge by himself/herself when a strong candidature is presented. He/she will look for additional opinions. Because many editors and admins do not read what the person in question need to say and simply echos a senior editor's opinion. Regarding 'pending changes review', I already had corrected but he was in kind of a mood to punish as I feel he was offended so he tagged 'pending changes review needs to be removed' thing which he again continues with false allegations and was stopped when interrupted by a senior editor, See this. Thank you.~Amkgp ✉  05:14, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I think enough have been said and discussed. It needs to be closed. I can see you have already un-enrolled me as per my request and updated the vacancy table in CVUA page. Good wishes for your current and upcoming efforts in Wikipedia ~Amkgp ✉  05:16, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I think you understanding of how Wikipedia is a little mistaken. (1) Admin's action is based on the editor edits and behavior and not on what other editor said. (2) if you have taken on the advice and act accordingly then all would be alright instead did the opposition actions and learn from your mistakes, (3) Wikipedia/admin will look at your next six month edits to determine the granting of rights and to pass CUVA and NPPS would add big weight to consideration + your edits. (4) I normally dont add on trainees until I know they would go through the course; you added your name there; I removed it because I was removing another applicant which they have yet to contact me, plus you mentioned you want to remove yourself and I have stated you are welcome to continue and take a few days to think about it. (5) If you have done the edits/editors or admins have commented your edits, then it will be in your history log, irregardless I mentioned it or not, it can be viewed by all. The thing is that it is not one or two incidents nor in one areas but many editors/admins do express their concern and they agreed on the rejection of not granting the rollback. To grant any rights, an editor need to demonstrate they know how to apply the guidelines link to the right correctly. (6). The major issue here is you need to take on the advice and learn from it and your future edits will demonstrate/show you have learnt (guidelines/application and also your behavior). I understand your disappointment, but being upset with me wont help (if not me it will be other say the same things when going through your edits plus I am the trainer, I need to not only educate/train/advice you but to comment when requested), but go through all CUVA and NPPS will, apply the guidelines correctly. I have said it before and will say it again, I am wiling and happy to help you on both CUVA and NPPS programs if you choose to. Do question yourself, "what can I do to make turn things around and what the admins and Cass have advised me and would I act upon them". Lastly Amkgp, you are a good and keen learner and a willing contributor, and if you could make some adjustments as mentioned, you will be doing good work in Wikipedia. Stay safe Amkgp and best.<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:105%;color:#FA0"> Cassiopeia</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 09:33, 17 May 2020 (UTC)