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Marty Peretz
You might be right. Would comments by others be better? The Kristoff stuff goes on for too long-- I think you are right. I just wanted to make the point that Kristoff thought that Peretz was misrepresenting his position should be gotten in. Taking your advice, diretion, I will cut it back in length-- but leave some of it with your approval, if ok?

I won't be edit warring at Marty Peretz but I believe the current structure of "Peretz said....Kristof said about Peretz...Peretz replied....Kristof re-replied...." gives one critic of Peretz too much weight. Also, what Peretz thinks of Kristof is not that important in a bio of Peretz. This IMO is a common problem in WP bios and creates what I call a "POV quilt" where instead of giving an overview of disputes in Wikipedia's voice, we get mired in minutia. Jonathanwallace (talk) 13:06, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

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What are you doing?
Your revert makes no sense. The ref was missing the title, so I added it. Why undo it? Schazjmd  (talk)  21:25, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Apologies, I meant to do another revert. Obviously, this article was posted in the first place by either the subject of the entry itself or people close to the subject. The subject of the article was involved in one of the most notorious episodes of sexual harassment in recent times, and that became a historical episode of the #metoo movement. The article began largely as a fan type/promotional vehicle that contained no mention whatsoever of the widely publicized sexual harassment issue. The article was also begun by a single person who had never written or edited for Wikipedia previously. And ALL of the contributions were initially by this same one person until recently. Language used in the writing of the article contained uncommon phrasing in other things in the public record quoting the subject on unrelated issues.

Regarding the boasting about the lavish food at the dinner, one of the quotations is from comments made to the Associated Press, hardly gossip. Another comment was made by the subject of the article himself on Twitter. There was widespread media coverage in various mainstream outlets about these comments. Perhaps additional citations could be added, but some already are cited as footnotes. The comments were controversial-- rightfully-- because hundreds of thousands of North Koreans were dying, including children, or hunger. Therefore,it is pertinent to the subject and the article.

Added reference to Daily Beast article, but also included citation for it as well.

OK. Thank you.

May 2020
Also, if the primary job or one of the primary jobs of the subject of the article is as an author, or the subject is known as an author, short snippets of book reviews are not only allowed, but encouraged.

I am not sure what information you think is copyrighted? Wikipedia every day attributes information to publications such as the New York Times, Vanity Fair, the Washington Post, CNN, etc. That was done in my editing of this article as well, so not sure why you reverted or changed it. Please explain.

I see that your deletions were all of things that might be considered negative. Numerous articles online say that people paid by the subjects of article pay editors to oversee their pages to make sure nothing bad gets published. All of the deletions were something negative. All of the things left in are positive. Wikipedia does not allow for articles about certain people to be edited by themselves or anyone cloase to them.

Hi Cathradgenations! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia — it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. Schazjmd  (talk)  13:53, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

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I am not sure what copyrighted material you are referring to? Please cite e single example. I quoted from articles in the New York Times, congressional hearings, with attribution. Can you please tell me what SPECIFICALLY in my additions was copyrighted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cathradgenations (talk • contribs)
 * As stated in the edit summary, the content you added is verbatim from the Vanity Fair article. It was not quoted and attributed (Vanity Fair attributed it to HuffPost).  Schazjmd   (talk)  18:32, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

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Center for American Progress
The sentence you added ("It is today considered one of the most effective and influential think tanks in Washington") looks like it is referenced from the Washington Post article that follows, but the article doesn't include such a statement- it calls the president's office an influential position. Such a statement should at least be sourced as to who has identified them in that way. The article does call it "Washington’s leading liberal think tank", which would be fine with attribution. Despite the short addition, it probably shouldn't have been marked as a minor edit because it adds content. --Spasemunki (talk) 20:55, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

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The citation was indeed included, as well as a footnote: Please see Footnote 16: Chasmar, Jessica (February 14, 2020). "Washington Examiner's parent Clarity launches probe into outlet's 'culture' after firings: Report". The Washington Times. Archived from the original on February 20, 2020
 * The source you cited has no footnotes, and that quote is not mentioned. Perhaps you meant to cite a different article. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:04, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Apologies,let me look.

The footnote and citation should be the same as that of the rest of the paragraph, the CNN story, but I was having trouble with the code to put it up.

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Washington Examiner, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Aoi (青い) (talk) 19:49, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

I cited, footnoted And added a formal citation of a CNN news story. It is hard to understand why CNN is not a reliable source?!

Also I added the names of columnists for the Examiners. While they do not contain citations, the ones you left did not either. So why not remove ALL of them? Without doing so, your reverts are inconsistent, capricious, and not living up to the standard you yourself want to set.

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Washington Examiner, you may be blocked from editing. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:03, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

The Daily Caller and the CNN are both reliable news sources. Please explain why they are not? I was in the middle of editing and had not even finished posting yet when you reverted me. I may wish to take this to a moderator. CNN and Daily Caller are considered credible sources. And you reverted me as I was actually in the middle of edits. Please let me continue so that you can see the edit in its entirety.

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at Washington Examiner.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 22:11, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

I keep telling you that I was in the middle of the edit, and added the citation when you reverted it. Could you please let me FINISH adding the edit and citation, and not interfere and revert it while I am actually doing it? Please let me finish. Is something wrong with you??

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It is strongly recommended that you use this before saving. If you have any questions, contact the help desk for assistance. Thank you. Also, you need to sign talk page edits per WP:SIGNHERE. And you need to indent per WP:INDENT. I see that you've been informed of this previously.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 22:21, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like you to assume good faith while interacting with other editors, which you did not do on User talk:Cathradgenations. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Aoi (青い) (talk) 22:38, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Cathradgenations! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor&#32;at Washington Examiner that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia — it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. Aoi (青い) (talk) 22:49, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for contributing to the article Washington Examiner. However, do not use unreliable sources such as blogs, your own website, websites and publications with a poor reputation for checking the facts or with no editorial oversight, expressing views that are widely acknowledged as extremist, that are promotional in nature, or that rely heavily on rumors and personal opinions, as one of Wikipedia's core policies is that contributions must be verifiable through reliable sources, preferably using inline citations. Thanks! P.S. If you need further help, you can look at Help:Contents/Editing Wikipedia, or ask at the Teahouse. The Daily Caller is not a reliable source per this discussion  Bait30   Talk 2 me pls? 22:54, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

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You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at Washington Examiner. Magnolia677 (talk) 00:02, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

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Your edits at David Corn are adding insignicant and inadequately sourced disparaging or damaging content to this biographical article. Please review the preceeding link and undo your recent edits. You may use the article talk page if you believe you can gain consensus for this content.  SPECIFICO talk 17:25, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

The information sourced is hardly insignificant or inadequately sourced.

This was not a small matter. There were two lengthy articles about Corn's alleged conduct in "Politico". "Politico" is a more than credible source. Corn's employer, Mother Jones publicly said that there were two officiial investigations of the matter. Corn himself admitted that he he had acted inappropriately, and vowed to change his behavior. The allegatons were further discussed in more than a half dozeen journalistic outlets. Please do not unilaterally revert this informmation from the article further until there is further discussion by the community. If you seek to delete it, a discussion should ensue in the broader community and if you continue to ignore the input of others, I will seek out an administrator for an appeal. If you are associated with the subject of the article, you should fully disclose this. It is noteworthy that you deleted any negative information whatsoever about Corn from the article, despite the fact that the original material appeared in publications such as Politico, Politifact, and the New York Observer.
 * You need to sign your posts, both here and on the article talk page. On the article talk page, your should add new threads at the bottom, not the top of the page. You should remove the content while it is under discussion, because it is poorly sourced UNDUE negatve BLP material. The default is to leave it out not in the article while it is being discussed. Also, do not make statements about other editors. Your comments should focus on content and article improvements. By all means, contact an Admin if you do not understand what I am telling you.  Thanks.  SPECIFICO talk 17:42, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

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Warning: stop pestering SPECIFICO
Go ahead and seek to have SPECIFICO banned permanently if you like, and if you feel you have evidence for it (it may backfire). Meanwhile, stop pestering them on their page. Being I-banned from another editor and topic banned from the Ludwig von Mises Institute, plus reverting you once at Rudy Giuliani, are not desperate crimes, and they're certainly not something that you need to enumerate on their page. SPECIFICO is most likely perfectly well aware of all three, so your long post here merely comes across as an attack. Don't post on their page again unless it's to notify them of a noticeboard report, or some other necessary information. This is a warning. Bishonen &#124; tålk 23:40, 16 September 2020 (UTC).

Cathradgenations, please familiarize yourself with WP:PERSONALATTACKS. Even when you believe the editor's behavior you are describing is readily apparent, according to policy you must provide diffs to support your statements. This will protect you from a WP:BOOMERANG. Kolya Butternut (talk) 23:55, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

I am not sure if you understand if your comments are menacing. "This is a warning..." My decisions and those of others will be based on his future conduct, the facts, and Wikipedia's standards. You leave out among other things his transphobia and inappropriate comments online here to individuals in that community. As I have said, in my case, he has literally followed me around online, looking at every minor edit I have ever done, on subjects and individuals he has no interest in, and reverting even the most routine things I post, without even offering an explanation. I don't think Wikipedia would think it is ok to send messages to a user "warning" them not to exercise their rights to privacy, safety, and fairness.Cathradgenations (talk) 00:04, 17 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Has neither of you heard of indenting discussions for the convenience of the reader, so that the whole thing doesn't look like one big hard-to-parse lump of text? Cathradgenations, you're not supposed to make accusations like that ("he has literally followed me around online, looking at every minor edit I have ever done, on subjects and individuals he has no interest in, and reverting even the most routine things I post, without even offering an explanation") without evidence — diffs — as Kolya Butternut was just telling you above. Please try to be more receptive to good advice. Stop the unevidenced accusations right now. As for your opinion that my warning violates your right to "privacy, safety, and fairness", you can always complain of me at WP:ANI, feel free. Bishonen &#124; tålk 00:19, 17 September 2020 (UTC).
 * I thought because I wasn't replying to you I shouldn't indent? I just read the policy. Kolya Butternut (talk) 00:36, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * IMO, it would have been better to start a separate section, Kolya Butternut. I mean, you can see what I mean about an undifferentiated lump of text? Bishonen &#124; tålk 09:36, 17 September 2020 (UTC).
 * , you're the third person to bring up WP:INDENT to Cathradgenations . It also looks like third time isn't the charm because they responded below after you brought it up and it's ambiguous as to whether it is a reply or a standalone comment. From my previous interactions with this editor, I'm starting to get WP:NOTGETTINGIT vibes.  Bait30   Talk 2 me pls? 01:17, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Below are two excerpts from one of his banning orders. Niether woman in question felt safe, and the site's administrators found that to be well founded. '''No evidence has been presented that Carol is hounding Specifico. It looks like she wants to disengage from the interactions with Specifico but can't do it because Specifico keeps initiating contact.''' In the unlikely case that Carol starts hounding or baiting Specifico, the interaction should be extended to her as well. --Sonicyouth86 (talk) 20:46, 12 September 2014 (UTC) "SPECIFICO continues to WikiHound Carolmooredc. Here is the latest example. Carolmooredc has never edited our article on September 11 attacks until now.[79] SPECIFICO has never edited this article before until now.[80] Despite these two editors having never edited this article before, after Carolmooredc makes her first edit on 20:27, September 10, 2014, SPECIFICO show up hours later,12:13, September 11, 2014 to complain about Carolmooredc's edit and then subsequently reverts Carolmooredc's edit.18:13, September 11, 2014. At this point, like the others I simply want to go about my business without being molested further.Cathradgenations (talk) 00:28, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

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Ben Domenech plagiarism
Hi, would you like to comment on my post on the article's talk page, here? Please do have a look at MOS:LEAD if you haven't lately -- I think it's pretty clear-cut. If you're in agreement, I'll restore the material; if not, I'll seek broader consensus at a noticeboard. Best regards --Middle 8 (s)talk • privacy 08:57, 13 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I have no disagreement with you! Cathradgenations (talk) 09:11, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I think you have some good and valid points, and acquiesce to them. My thinking was the plagiarism incident was dealt with at length in both the biography and controversies portions of the article, so that would have been the third mention of it. But I can understand as well as to how the plagiarism episode is central to his broader life story. I'm still not sure the Malaysian thing is a central part of his broader life though?  But won't argue the point. I think what is missing in that upper section as well is that he is now a commentator and contributor and guest house for Fox, but haven't had the same time to add it.  Hoping someone else would!  Cheers. Cathradgenations (talk) 22:02, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Cathradgenations, sorry for delay... sounds like we're in full agreement, including the Fox contributor stuff in the lead. Having read your reply I was gonna add that but you beat me to it. :-)  On the Malaysian thing, my understanding is that WP:BLPPUBLIC applies: coverage of a given event isn't really a function of its centrality to the subject's life (by whatever metric that might be determined), but rather a function of coverage in multiple high quality RS's.  Best regards & happy editing, Middle 8 (s)talk • privacy 08:22, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

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I am not going to ask for any kind of action against you. but others might. If you can source your additions, I would certainly be willing to discuss them. With no citation, I am afraid it's the sort of thing that should be immediately removed from a WP:BLP. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 03:02, 24 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I believe you deleted the sourcing for the episode where Lane made inappropriate comments about the woman with brain cancer. i will find it and add it back.
 * However, it is not a notable incident because it is a pattern with him: He has made inappropriate comments about the obese, disabled people, Gabby Giffords, gunshot victims, the food insecure? If this was a single episode, I would take your point.  Just offering you my own view-- hoping to learn yours.  If someone has six to eight known episodes-- especially an editor of the Washington Post-- isn't that notable and worthy of inclusion?!  Thanks, I am not as experienced on Wikipedia as you, so  very interested in having a discussion and dialogue with you on this issue. Cathradgenations (talk) 03:08, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
 * So first of all -- please stop making any changes to the article for 24 hours. You're liable to be blocked for some period if you continue.  I don't necessarily disagree with your opinions; the problem is on Wikipedia we have a particular policy for biographies of living people where any negative information needs to be strongly sourced.  I am sure you can imagine, practical, social, and even legal reasons why this is so.  The content you are writing sounds to me like an opinion piece, rather than an encyclopedia.  My advice would be simply to slow down and try to be a bit more neutral.  That doesn't mean the article won't end up where you want it, but unless you have a fistful of reliable sources, it's unlikely to get there in one fell swoop.  Happy editing. Dumuzid (talk) 03:12, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I will follow your advice and lead! Wikipedia is tough for us less learned in it or how it works. Just would like my voice and others who agree heard in the discussion.  Will look  to you to learn how to do it.  Thanks again!!! Cathradgenations (talk) 03:20, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

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 * Thank you. I might come to you for assistance  as to how to execute that, if that is ok. Cathradgenations (talk) 18:18, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * No problem. In this case, I have already added the attribution in the edit summary of this subsequent edit so this is taken care of; this message was just a note for the future. DanCherek (talk) 19:26, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, thank you! Will go look so I know exactly what to do next time. Cathradgenations (talk) 19:33, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

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