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The Bugle: Issue CXLIII, March 2018
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April 2018 Milhist Backlog Drive
G'day all, please be advised that throughout April 2018 the Military history Wikiproject is running its annual backlog elimination drive. This will focus on several key areas:


 * tagging and assessing articles that fall within the project's scope
 * adding or improving listed resources on Milhist's task force pages
 * updating the open tasks template on Milhist's task force pages
 * creating articles that are listed as "requested" on the project's various lists of missing articles.

As with past Milhist drives, there are points awarded for working on articles in the targeted areas, with barnstars being awarded at the end for different levels of achievement.

The drive is open to all Wikipedians, not just members of the Military history project, although only work on articles that fall (broadly) within the scope of military history will be considered eligible. This year, the Military history project would like to extend a specific welcome to members of WikiProject Women in Red, and we would like to encourage all participants to consider working on helping to improve our coverage of women in the military. This is not the sole focus of the edit-a-thon, though, and there are aspects that hopefully will appeal to pretty much everyone.

The drive starts at 00:01 UTC on 1 April and runs until 23:59 UTC on 30 April 2018. Those interested in participating can sign up here.

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The Bugle: Issue CXLIIV, April 2018
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Your edit in Talk:Young Scots
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Battle of Andros (1790)
Hi Catlemur. Re your comment on the assessment request page. Thanks for looking at this. It was listed as Start class with b5=no. I found it difficult to disagree with this. Do I understand it that you would have disagreed and changed it to b5=yes without additional images? I ask from a perspective of being new round here and trying to get a grip on where the boundaries of the assessment decisions are.

Similarly, I have tried to be careful if I have put any substantive work in, specifically if I feel that I have pushed the final B class criterion over the line, to have it independently assessed. As it says in the guidance: "However, by convention, the final assessment for a B-Class rating is typically left to an independent editor; requests for an independent assessment may be made..." Am I to take it that I should feel free to self assess my own work as an exception to this if it only contributes to a single criterion? This would certainly make my life easier and save other editors' time, but I am wary of being seen as pushing the boundaries. Advice would be gratefully received. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:58, 6 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Since the article already had an infobox that is enough for b5, therefore your addition of the images does not have an impact on the rating and you have the right to assess the article on your own. You cannot self assess if a criterion is modified following your edits. Cheers.--Catlemur (talk) 20:10, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. So in this case the b=no was out of date or over zealous and I should have just changed it. Got it. (I think.) Thanks.
 * But if it hadn't been and I had added images/an infobox to bring b5 up to yes I would have needed to run it through the assessment request page. Yes? Gog the Mild (talk) 20:15, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Correct. Assessments are often outdated.--Catlemur (talk) 20:18, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:39, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXLIV, May 2018
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Russian occupations of Beirut
The article is now at FAC. Your input and that of would be appreciated. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 09:09, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I won't have as much free time in the coming months but I will see how I can chip in.--Catlemur (talk) 09:53, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXLVI, June 2018
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Greek Legion
Hi! First off, again thanks for this and your other articles, they will some important gaps. Keep it up! Second, could you do me a favour and refine the references you have taken from Psimouli in Greek Legion (Septinsular Republic) a bit further? I.e. provide a reference with page numbers by sentence or event, rather than entire paragraphs. I have some sources that can be used to expand the article (I've already included one) but I cannot easily do this without breaking up the existing text, which is difficult as I don't know which pages from Psimouli's work refer to which facts. Thanks in advance. Constantine  ✍  07:52, 23 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I did as you requested.--Catlemur (talk) 08:16, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot, much appreciated :) Constantine  ✍  08:18, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXLVII, July 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CXLVIII, August 2018
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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open
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The Bugle: Issue CXLIX, September 2018
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Milhist coordinator election voting has commenced
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Milhist coordinator election voting has commenced
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Your insistence
Your insistence at the Meuse-Argonne Offensive on including a fact on the participation of Siam's 1200 troops (0.1% of the US force of 1.2M) for this major World War I battle, and continued argument for its inclusion on the basis a single primary source, a journal article, suggest both a lack of understanding of historical and historiographic process in support of general, encyclopedic content, as well as a propensity to misuse Wikipedia policy (through limited reference) to support a personal desire to maintain marginal content. This is all the more galling, considering the generally poor quality of the content and sourcing of that article (two observations not unrelated), a trend to which your contribution and argument contributes, detrimentally. No one editor's demands should be met in defiance of WP policy, good historical practice (for encyclopedic overviews of an historical event), and common sense in generalist writing. You should remove the content until you can show it included in a good secondary or tertiary source, and only then include it if the full historical picture painted by that source is included, so as to provide scholarly perspective on that single fact's relative importance. This is one scholar's opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:246:CA80:3CB5:ADA0:92B0:EB63:C91E (talk) 23:42, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CL, October 2018
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Damietta
There apparently occurred a minor (but important) naval battle off the coast of Damietta in October 1772, and a senior Ottoman official was captured the following day by the same frigate Sviatoi Pavel in an apparently unrelated incident. I came across this during my research for the Beirut article, specifically here (p. 300) and here (p. 123-125; translated this if you're interested ). Thought this could be my next serious project, as it's quite a fascinating subject. Did you find anything in the Smilianskaya et al. book that might be of use? I don't have any written books about this, unfortunately (also pinging ). Do those individual incidents merit standalone articles, or should we consider an umbrella "Levant campaign" article instead? Fitzcarmalan (talk) 08:02, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I also wanted to know if Cyprus was ever mentioned in your book, as some Russian ships seem to have regularly taken off from the island during the campaign. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 08:10, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I've got some bad news for you. Al Ameer son seems to have quit the project a while ago. As for me I am currently away from home for a prolonged period of time and I do not have the book with me. From what I remember Cyprus' coastline was mapped during the expedition. A copy of Tarle's book that is available online might contain some information. Regards,--Catlemur (talk) 09:06, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Is there an English version of Tarle's book? Couldn't find one myself. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 10:29, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Probably not, that's a pretty old book.--Catlemur (talk) 13:07, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, could you at least point me to a decent Russian version, preferably digitized? Found this (not sure if it's what I'm looking for), but I don't know how to proceed through that website. Couldn't translate most of it, especially the droplists. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 03:46, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The link you provided is an online shop. I found this Tarle book on Google Books. The Russian WP article on Panagioti Alexiano (the Russian commander in the battle) contains Orlov's report to the Russian court detailing the battle, quoting the aforementioned book's pages 161-164. Here's another book mentioning Alexiano. I will let you know shall I find anything else.--Catlemur (talk) 08:57, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot, I appreciate this (next step would be learning some Russian). Found earlier a PDF book on some website called "on-island" through Google search, but won't link to it here as it could be in LINKVIO territory. Is it the same thing? Fitzcarmalan (talk) 12:02, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I found another one. Thanks again. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 12:09, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * How is Damietta referred to in the book though? Searched for "Думьят" (the ru.wiki name) but couldn't find it. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 12:26, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Found Tarle's book, its quite detailed. Try searching the terms Дамьетта, Дамиетта, Дамиетте and Дамиатте to locate the info you need.--Catlemur (talk) 11:38, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Catlemur. I actually just starting working on this project in my userspace (didn't publish yet). It's largely based on R. C. Anderson's book for now and will end up being about more than just Damietta. I'll notify you when it goes live, which is very soon.
 * By the way, is this the 2015 edition? Days ago I found another HTML version on a website called e-reading and was also unsure about the year. How do I cite this? Fitzcarmalan (talk) 12:19, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
 * This is how the website cites it Тарле Е. В. Чесменский бой и первая русская экспедиция в Архипелаг // Академик Е. В. Тарле. Сочинения, т. 10, стр. 11—91

"Tarle Battle of Chesma and the First Archipelago Expedition, Essays, Volume 10, pages 11—91". I found that this book was originally published in 1945 so citing the 1945 version could also work.--Catlemur (talk) 12:53, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Photo request petition - please sign
Can you please sign this petition requesting certain historic photos (many from WWII) be released for Wikimedia Commons? Please do spread the word of the petition to other Wikipedians too. Thanks, --PlanespotterA320 (talk) 22:46, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLI, November 2018
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Caucasus Division
Big thank you and much appreciation for starting the page on the Greek Caucasus Division, which my own great grandfathers served in. Savas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.195.176.29 (talk) 16:19, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Nominations now open for "Military historian of the year" and "Military history newcomer of the year" awards
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The Bugle: Issue CLII, December 2018
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Voting now open for "Military historian of the year" and "Military history newcomer of the year" awards
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The Bugle: Issue CLIII, January 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLIV, February 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLV, March 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLVI, April 2019
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