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Wow! You chose quite the controversial page.

You make a goood point about the early music section, which certainly needs development. You are correct that much more evidence exists about early music, particularly irish musical instruments and musicians, than is credited here. We have information about musicians from the C6th Brehon laws, we have musical artifacts from as far back as the bronze age, and there’s also some evidence that ogham writing is related to music.

I don’t know the answer to your question about Viking influence from the late C9th until the early C11th, - perhaps there is some evidence out there for this, but the more important broad question seems to be: what relevant information about early Irish music, musicians and musical instruments is omitted here in favour of a rather bizarre list of dead musicians from the Irish annals and a side note about modern interpretation of early music. How could we help readers to understand the origins of Irish music in a more systematic, well-researched manner?

I also agree that the trad section is greatly in need of development, and like your idea to add information about instruments typically played. I’m not sure that a list of famous music halls would help this section, as Irish trad music was played for many centuries in smaller community situations – home gatherings, village gatherings and fairs, and, later, pubs.

I like your idea about reception at home and abroad. This really becomes relevant during the ballad boom of the 60s and 70s, where Irish music becomes popular outside of Ireland and its diaspora.

In terms of the popular music sections - excellent observation that the best selling and standout article sections are outdated. The standout section is particularly null – it’s just one source with a very temporally specific set of answers. It clearly doesn’t belong in a Wikipedia article.

With regard to the tone, I see problems where you do not, including in the syntactically very poorly written opening paragraphs, and in phrases like “more and more people play Irish music and many new bands emerge every year like X, X, X, X being some (to name a few).” To me, this is not a neutral phrase, but a subjective one, and is far too conversational in tone.

Very nice work on pointing out the significant problems with sources in this article, and nice summary of the (fascinatingly gruff) talk page.

EmerOToole (talk) 17:14, 3 October 2018 (UTC)