User talk:Cbl62/Archive 2021

DYK for Keep On Churnin' (Till the Butter Comes)
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

DYK for It Ain't the Meat (It's the Motion)
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Need a Little Sugar in My Bowl
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Big Long Slidin' Thing
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Big Ten Inch Record
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! It was such a good hook that many viewers (like me) clicked on all 5 articles, not just the first. I added this to our all-time list of lead hooks over 25,000 views. Best, Yoninah (talk) 16:50, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Template
Hi there. You started a template for Far West Independent schools football for the 1895 season. I have learned today per THIS that the following schools were part of something called the Oregon Intercollegiate Football Association: Oregon Agricultural College, University of Oregon, Portland University, Willamette University, and Pacific University. They were NOT independents. I was wondering if I could trouble you to make up a template for that conference for that season. I'm not sure how to create templates myself... Thanks! —tim /// Carrite (talk) 02:28, 3 January 2021 (UTC) P.S. This conference seems to have existed in 1894 as well, but without Willamette University as a member. Carrite (talk) 02:29, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Hank Locklin song articles
Hello! Thank you for taking the time to create articles for Hank Locklin's songs, "Geisha Girl" and "It's a Little More Like Heaven." Please remember to make sure you are linking these songs to other articles where these songs can be located. For examples, links to these articles were missing from Locklin's discography, main article and other country music-related pages. Fore more information, please visit the missing manual. Thanks again. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 01:17, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminder. I will work on that. Cbl62 (talk) 05:36, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

DYK for America, Why I Love Her
— Maile (talk) 12:03, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Macorina (song)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Fujiyama Mama
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Sonoma County historic sites
Hi there... User:MikeVdP has started creating list-articles overlapping about historic sites in Sonoma county, see User_talk:MikeVdP. I started trying to help but have gotten irked, may yet help if I see some legitimate sources. But I mentioned you and I do wonder if you could help, with less energy of the type i happen to hold right now. --Doncram (talk) 03:48, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy to help. Is there something specific I can do? Cbl62 (talk) 18:09, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. At this point you might comment at User_talk:MikeVdP, whether you agree it would be reasonable to move the 3 list-articles to Draft space.  You can review discussion in 3 sections on User_talk:MikeVdP and a bit on Talk pages of the 3 list-articles.  MikeVdP did respond to me by email, also, sending a MicroSoft Word doc about historic places in Windsor, which I am dismissive/negative about in comments on their Talk page.  Some positive expression about their interest, and potential in the general topic area?
 * Ways forward that I see now would be to create articles about the one NRHP-listed place in Windsor and one in Healdsburg, and perhaps other NRHPs in Sonoma County (perhaps using NRHP docs now available from National Archives, i dunno if you've used that much, covered at wp:NRHPHELPNARA). And to convert the "Sonoma County Historical Society landmarks" one into a legitimate list-article about official Sonoma County Historical Landmarks (not just places of interest so far identified by a historical society).  MikeVdP has not shared to me whatever document he used to built out a long list there... there's probably some validity to that, maybe it is a list of the official Sonoma County ones.  I dunno if you could sort of head up an editing campaign with a checklist of things to do, where they could see how stuff gets done.  Perhaps that could be located at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Historic sites/California historic sites task force, where a number of California editors have been willing to show up when pinged before.
 * Any way forward you like, I'd appreciate your involvement. cheers, --Doncram (talk) 19:20, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I feel it is going downhill, at least partly, in pattern where user is trying to provide what they think I am demanding, but offending me by seemingly false assertions in article text and in Talk page statements. Currently at Draft talk:Healdsburg Historic Structures and Districts. --Doncram (talk) 14:06, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Doncram -- I did take a look at the Draft and the AfD. Looks like you're handling this well. If there's anything specific I can do, let me know. Cbl62 (talk) 05:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

All-time lists
Hi, I was wondering if you also notice that most of the hooks exceeding the 5,000 or 10,000 pageview threshold are image hooks? If so, what is the point of even doing an "all-time list"? All it tells me is that our regular hooks aren't good enough to make the cut. Yoninah (talk) 19:06, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Image hooks have a huge advantage in attracting page views. But we continue to get strong non-lead hooks. Four of the Top 10 hooks of 2020 were non-lead hooks, including the No. 1 and 2 spots. That's pretty impressive. Are you suggesting we get rid of the "all-time lists" altogether or just the non-lead list? Cbl62 (talk) 19:28, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I wonder. I realize image hooks attract more attention, and it's important to have all-time lists. What I'm really wishing is that every hook would be a winner. It's often disheartening to build prep sets with less than stellar hooks. Yoninah (talk) 20:00, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I understand. A hook builder can't spin straw into gold. There are some hooks that just aren't going to perform well. Cbl62 (talk) 20:38, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I personally don't think that they are non-stellar hooks. I think what this shows is that hooks with images will typically be clicked on...and nothing more than that. SL93 (talk) 03:57, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Year in Review pages
Hi there! I just found your personal year-in-review pages (User:Cbl62/2020 and so on) and I love the idea - would it be alright with you if I did something similar? I just wanted to check with you so it didn't look like I was ripping you off at all. Thanks! PCN02WPS ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 16:40, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Of course. Go for it! Cbl62 (talk) 18:07, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

DYK statistics
My hook for Kusarigama received 15,624 views while on the main page and I'm not sure how to add it to the DYK statistics page. Honestly, part of my Asperger syndrome is that I have trouble with many things involving numbers. SL93 (talk) 06:35, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Nice hooK! I added it to DYKSTATS. Cbl62 (talk) 15:22, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * On another note, do you realise that you just added a duplicate of SS Vernon on there?  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 15:41, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I did not realize. Thanks. Fixed. Cbl62 (talk) 15:50, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Eugene Goodman (police officer)
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

A few tokens ...
... of my thanks for your recent kind words and for the help and encouragement in my college football team season page editing. Sadly, these are no longer of any practical use ... the state chaahges automatically deducts from your E-ZPASS account a dollah twenty-five, pop! ``` t b w i l l i e ` $1.25 ` 18:31, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tokens. Cbl62 (talk) 00:07, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Patricia Kenworthy Nuckols
Guerillero Parlez Moi 12:02, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Chickie Geraci Poisson
Guerillero Parlez Moi 12:03, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Betty Shellenberger
Guerillero Parlez Moi 12:03, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Alice Putnam Willetts
Guerillero Parlez Moi 12:03, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Joan Moser
Guerillero Parlez Moi 12:03, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for F. Elizabeth Richey
Guerillero Parlez Moi 12:03, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Adele Boyd
Guerillero Parlez Moi 12:03, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Ruth Heller Aucott
Guerillero Parlez Moi 12:03, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Phyllis Stadler Lyon
Guerillero Parlez Moi 12:03, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Anne McConaghie Volp
Guerillero Parlez Moi 12:03, 6 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Congrats on the DYK! It looks like "Atlantis" was hooky enough to help get it on the all-time leaderboards.  BTW, when I looked at pageviews |Chickie_Geraci_Poisson|Betty_Shellenberger|Alice_Putnam_Willetts|Joan_Moser|Anne_McConaghie_Volp|F._Elizabeth_Richey|Adele_Boyd|Ruth_Heller_Aucott|Phyllis_Stadler_Lyon totals, I got an extra 40 for Ruth Heller Aucott (847 not 807). – Reidgreg (talk) 13:33, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Your suggestion on the Atlantis portion of the link was clearly the link that pushed it over the top. Cbl62 (talk) 16:20, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, BTW, you can also list these articles with Women in Red's 1day1woman challenge, if you're into that. – Reidgreg (talk) 13:53, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

February flowers
Thank you for the DYKSTATS! - happy Valentine's! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Gerda. What a beautiful shot of life sustaining in the winter forest. Cbl62 (talk) 17:02, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Gauthier Mvumbi
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * A beautiful and inspirational article, thank you. No Swan So Fine (talk) 17:08, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for noticing, User:No Swan So Fine. It's nice when we are able to highlight stories like this. Cbl62 (talk) 17:29, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Dotty Fothergill
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Harrison Fitch
This DYK has been fast-tracked to appear on the Main Page beginning tomorrow night (Feb. 23) at 7pm EST, to coincide with Black History Month.  JGHowes   talk  03:04, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your encouragement and support in regards to the articles we are discussing.Tecmo (talk) 03:32, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome. I've noticed your work and really appreciate your work, especially some of the long-overlooked and much-needed stuff like 1947, 1948, and 1949 AAFC Draft, 1974 WFL Draft, and 1983-1986 USFL Draft. Cbl62 (talk) 03:37, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for 1959 Michigan Wolverines football team
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for David Schoen
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Lil Stoner
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Michael van der Veen
Gatoclass (talk) 12:03, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Verna Grahek Mize
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Note about selective deletion
Hello, WP:Selective deletion is deprecated, it is preferred that WP:Revision deletion is used instead to hide only the file contents, this way the file history is preserved. This is also displayed on Template:Orphaned non-free revisions. Thanks. Dylsss(talk contribs) 23:08, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK Stats - Troy, Montana
Hello, my DYK hook for Troy, Montana got 6,001 views in February, could you add it to the list? I don't want to screw up the tables on accident! Thank you :)  originalmess  busta rhyme 06:52, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Your hook was part of a queue that ran for 24 hours. In order to qualify for DYKSTATS, a hook running as part of a 24-hour queue would need to receive at least 10,000 hits. See WP:DYKSTATS for details. Cbl62 (talk) 12:05, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see, thank you for clarifying!  originalmess  busta rhyme 18:01, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Page views
Just curious, where can you find preliminary page views, like the estimates you had at DYKSTATS?—Bagumba (talk) 12:58, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * There are two that I'm aware of. One is WikiShark (here). The other is the "annual readership" tool. I think Acker is probably a case of my misreading the data. Cbl62 (talk) 13:05, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 13:09, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Stop AAPI Hate
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Murder of Vicha Ratanapakdee
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:03, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for The Great Gatsby (Playhouse 90)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for The Jet Propelled Couch (Playhouse 90)
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for The 80 Yard Run (Playhouse 90)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

A Dobos torte for you!
Thank you, 7&6=thirteen. It looks delicious. Cbl62 (talk) 21:24, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Rumors of Evening (Playhouse 90)
—valereee (talk) 00:02, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for The Mystery of Thirteen (Playhouse 90)
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Modest flowers
Thank you for what you said on Yoninah's talk, - see also Wikipedia Signpost/2021-03-28/Obituary! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:14, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Around the World in 90 Minutes (Playhouse 90)
— Maile (talk) 12:01, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Formatting of discussion thread comments
Regarding [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)&diff=1016509429&oldid=1016508030&diffmode=source this reply] and others on the talk page: as the following is unsolicited advice, please feel free to ignore it, particularly if you are aware of it already. Note the,  , and   characters introduce different types of lists, and aren't just indent levels. In order to minimize the number of start/end list announcements made by screen reader software used by those with vision problems, and  provide guidance on how to format discussion thread comments. The nutshell summary is if you're the first person replying, copy the prefix from the comment to which you replying, and append the character of your choice. If you're not the first person replying, copy the prefix from the last person who replied at the same nesting level. If you could consider helping to make Wikipedia discussions threads more accessible, it would be highly appreciated.

Going into a bit more detail regarding the effect of your edit for screen readers: you responded to a comment that starts with  with a reply starting with. The comment you were responding to consists of, from right to left, a third-level unbulleted list item nested within a second-level unbulleted list item nested within a first-level bulleted list item. Your reply consisted of four levels of unbulleted listed items, nested within each other. As this changed the type of the first-level list, screen readers will announce the closure of three levels of lists, and announce the start of four new levels, instead of just announcing the start of one new level if you had used  instead. And since the comment after yours starts with, screen readers will announce the closure of four levels of lists, instead of three. Thanks very much for your time. isaacl (talk) 20:31, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Burt Township Schools
—valereee (talk) 12:02, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!
 Happy First Edit Day! Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

From the Birthday Committee, CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:41, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

today
See my talk today, - it's rare that a person is pictured when a dream comes true, and that the picture is shown on the Main page on a meaningful day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:38, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

DYKSTATS for May
Hi, I saw that the hook for Silvia Bottini received [//pageviews.toolforge.org/?start=2021-05-04&end=2021-05-24&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Silvia_Bottini 16,746 views] when it was featured on the main page last month. Is it eligible for WP:DYKSTATS? Joofjoof (talk) 08:27, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * If it got over 5,000 views, then it is eligible.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 15:50, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:26, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Can you point me to some really great "team" articles?
I'm drafting a team season, one which I think might be legendary. Never written a page about a legend in the making. Sounds fun. I was hoping to build the readable text to a reasonable state in the next week or two, get a DYK for it, then watch the crowd build it as events unfold this season. I want to base the page structure on really good existing team pagespace. Can you suggest somebody or someplace where I can find good modelling for my effort? Thanks! Always glad to see your datestamp. BusterD (talk) 20:54, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You could try 1997 Michigan Wolverines football team which is a GA. Cbl62 (talk) 03:01, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've located a few pages from various wikiproject assessment tables (coincidentally 2012–13 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team is FA) but thought I'd consult some editors who had extensive experience in sports coverage. You must see a few team articles. Thanks for the tip. I'm looking at some association football team articles which are well-done. It occurred to me I could preview this season's buildup by improving previous seasons' pages with ready sources. Thanks again. If I can be helpful, please call on me. BusterD (talk) 08:31, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Ursinius and Washington & Jefferson nicknames
Cbl, I see you created 1902 Ursinus football team. I guess the "Bears" nickname was not yet in usage then? It was adopted by 1925; see: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/70309772/ursinus-grid-team-in-scoreless-tie. I also fleshed out 1908 Washington & Jefferson Presidents football team and it seems the "Presidents" nickname was not used until maybe 1920-ish. Washington & Jefferson was referred to as the "Red and Black" before then. If we can pin down the name change, I make rename the Washington & Jefferson articles accordingly. Jweiss11 (talk) 22:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

William Van Dyke
I saw you added the photo of the article for William Van Dyke, Rutgers football coach. Yet when I looked at the passport record you mentioned, a different man was listed next to the name Maceroy (talk) 21:30, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It was uploaded almost a decade ago. If you have checked carefully and it is the wrong person, it should be deleted. Cbl62 (talk) 21:35, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!
 '''Wishing Cbl62 a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Birthday Committee! Best wishes! CAPTAIN RAJU''' (T) 06:40, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Formatting overtime in schedule table
Cbl, in the college football schedule tables, you want to put the overtime notation in angled brackets (<,>), not parentheses for it to format properly. See my edit at 1993 Maine Black Bears football team. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 22:31, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Montana State
Montana State joined the Big Sky Conference in 1963. Jweiss11 (talk) 22:14, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That wasn't clear from the media guide. Cbl62 (talk) 22:40, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Media guides can be a mixed bag. Note how the Montana State guide gets the 1966 season record correct on page 58, but omits the Camelia Bowl in the list of games; see 1966 Montana State Bobcats football team. You can avoid a lot of these sort of errors by checking related articles like 1963 NCAA College Division football season and Jim Sweeney (American football, born 1929), etc. Jweiss11 (talk) 23:35, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note also that there's a navbox and category for Big Sky football champs. Would also be super helpful if you could include the non-conference indicators, cfb links, and format the link to Montana–Montana State football rivalry properly. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 23:44, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The amount of time I spend adding all the belts and suspenders depends on the importance of (i) the program, (ii) the season, and (iii) my personal interest in the topic. My goal over the past several years has been to get the season articles built for all notable programs. Hopefully, an editor with an interest in the particular program will later backfill the additional details. Cbl62 (talk) 00:16, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * BTW, I'm approaching 6,000 season articles created. Cbl62 (talk) 00:18, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Congrats on the milestone. I understand that no one has the bandwidth to fully develop all these articles, but I think the minimum standard for stubbing out these season articles should include a cleanly-formatted infobox and schedule table (including proper opponent links) and at least a couple third-party references. This minimum standard ought to include bringing in data and references already added to the schedule tables of opponent articles. We should certainly avoid introducing incorrect information, as you did at 1931 Boston University Terriers football team among another a number of other places. As sourced at 1931 Boston College Eagles football team, the 1931 BC–BU game was not played in Chestnut Hill, but at Fenway Park in Boston. College Football Data Warehouse, Sports Reference (which is great resource for MLB, but spotty at best for college football), and media guides are good starting points, but they need to be taken with a grain of salt, particularly for coverage of the pre-WWII days. The BC media guide is loaded with errors like this. I'm emailed the BC sports info director earlier this year, but they've only made some of these corrections I've sent them for the new 2021 media guide. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:01, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I proposed some minimum standards once before but the proposal never gained traction. IMO the focus of any minimum standards should be on beefing up the narrative portion of the season articles given that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia rather than a mere statistical database. In particular, I think every season article should include narrative text describing the following core elements of a season: (i) name of the coach, (ii) overall record compiled by the team, (iii) conference record (where available), (iv) overall point totals (scored and allowed) where readily available, (v) identification of any bowl games or other post-season accomplishments, (vi) statistical leaders (where readily available), (vii) identification of any players receiving All-America honors. These core elements are absent from more than half of our current season articles (many of which have zero meaningful narrative text).  Schedule charts are very helpful IMO opinion but I would be ok with an article being created without such a chart, so long as there is sufficient and sourced narrative content to support a proper encyclopedia article.
 * You say that CFDW, SR/College Football, and media guides "need to be taken with a grain of salt." Short of in-depth research into historical newspapers to source each and every game (the gold standard), the sources you mention remain to my knowledge the best sources we have for starting a season article. Is there another source that you consider more reliable?
 * As for the error in the 1931 BU article, this was based on CFDW whichi is imperfect but has long been considered one of our most reliable sources. If you have a solid source showing it as an error, please feel free to fix it. Cbl62 (talk) 02:59, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that the minimum stub standard ought to include narrative text in the lead that covers points i, ii, iii, and v. Stats, awards, and points are the next tier. CFBDW is indeed imperfect and doesn't even exist anymore except in archive form. That's not to say I don't still often use that archive as a starting point or a gap-filler when all else fails. But if I was was building 1931 Boston University Terriers football team from scratch, sources better than CFDW or Sports Reference would be 1931 Boston College Eagles football team, 1931 George Washington Colonials football team, and New Hampshire, where the errors from CFDW and Sports Reference have already been debugged. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:24, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Other Wikipedia articles are not reliable sources. And in the case of 1931 BU, the three Wikipedia articles you pointed to would not be effective as a starting point in constructing a 1931 BU article. Without an overall source, one wouldn't even know who the opponents were. And the three articles you mentioned would merely provide results (and newspaper sources) for two of nine games -- not a solid starting point for building an overall encyclopedic article about the season as a whole. Short of the gold-standard review of historical newspapers, SR/College Football, CFDW, media guides, and (where available) yearbooks remain the best overall sources that I am aware of. Cbl62 (talk) 03:35, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You're missing my point. Those other Wikipedia articles are based on reliable sources, and those same sources can also be used for the BU article. The "gold-standard review" of historical newspapers" has already been done for those 3 games. You just have to copy and paste. Marry that with the skeleton from CFDW or SR and you're in a much better place than CFDW or SR alone. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:53, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not missing your point at all. I agree one-hundred percent that other Wikipedia articles can be mined for sources. It's a great time-saving technique, and I frequently do that when I'm trying to add the belts and suspenders to season articles. But that's next level -- I don't agree that searching other Wikipedia articles is something that can be imposed as a mandatory, minimum standard.  The first step is to use an overall source like CFDW, SR/College Football or the media guide to build the skeleton of a schedule chart. We can then add further details through a combination of methods -- including searching articles on opponent seasons and searching historical newspaper archives and other reliable sources. Cbl62 (talk) 04:01, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * FWIW -- I added some additional content at 1931 Boston University Terriers football team. The source provided at the "BC" Wiki-article wasn't great because it was just pre-game coverage so I used a different source for that one. The source provided in the "NH" Wiki-article is also "pre-game" coverage so it's not really "gold-standard review" either. Cbl62 (talk) 04:54, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Often times the pre-game coverage is the only place the stadium/location of the game as well as other details like kickoff time are explicitly confirmed. Pre-game coverage is not subpar; it's another piece of valuable sourcing, but obviously it doesn't confirm the result of the game. Ultimately, a well-developed article will cite pre- and post-game coverage for each game. The point here, again, is not about completing a GA-level article. It's about formatting the basics properly and not introducing errors into Wikipedia that have already been debugged and verified elsewhere on Wikipedia. It's worth going a little slower and doing it right, which also sets a better example for the newbies. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:27, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm comfortable with the example I'm setting. I have been and remain opposed to the sort of sub-stubs we saw being created six or seven years ago with zero meaningful narrative content. E.g., 1913 South Carolina Gamecocks football team, 1911 Spring Hill Badgers football team, 1909 Trinity Bantams football team, 1919 Mercer Baptists football team. I proposed minimum standards to prevent creation of such sub-stubs, but my proposal didn't gain traction. At the same time, we still don't have season articles for many of the Division I programs. I think it is both appropriate and highly desirable to build out these articles in reasonable and decent fashion (not sub-stubs) to create a reliable superstructure. We can then rely on the collaborative process to fill in more and more of the details of each season. There is no deadline, but we need to complete the superstructure if the building is ever going to be complete. Cbl62 (talk) 05:56, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Category:Findlay Oilers football seasons
Cbl, when you create categories like Category:Findlay Oilers football seasons, don't forget to categorize them under Category:College football seasons by team and add the "Seasons" sort key for the main team category. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 19:18, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Denoting NAIA and NCAA titles
Cbl, we need to hash out how we treat NAIA and NCAA titles in infoboxes, etc. NAIA Football National Championship contains the word "National" in its official title, while the NCAA championships (e.g. NCAA Division I Football Championship) do not. The word "national" is contained in both the NAIA and NCAA acronyms, so when you are discussing a title in a genericized, lower-case sense, including "national" strikes me as redundant, even for the NAIA. Thoughts? Jweiss11 (talk) 05:24, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The evidence seems overwhelming that the winner of the NAIA football national championship can and should be called an "NAIA national champion". That's what the NAIA calls it, and that's how it's regularly reported in contemporary press accounts. It's also the reality since the championship game has historically matched regional champions from different parts of the country. It's also what we call it in our Wikipedia article on the "NAIA Football National Championship". Thus, the use of "national champion" is supported by (a) common name principles, (b) formal title, (c) factual accuracy, and (d) consistency with other Wikipedia articles (NAIA Football National Championship) and categories (Category:NAIA Football National Champions). This seems pretty clear.  Is there a contrary argument? Cbl62 (talk) 05:38, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * As for NCAA lower divisions, I haven't looked at it recently so don't have as clear of an opinion at this time. Cbl62 (talk) 05:41, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, the contrary argument is the one I made above, which distinguishes a reference to the proper noun (NAIA Football National Championship) from a genericized, lower-case reference. What are your thoughts about the NCAA champions? Jweiss11 (talk) 05:44, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not following the argument. Are you suggesting that we should use upper case lettering in describing an "NAIA National Champion"? Or that there is some inaccuracy in using the word "national"? Can you clarify? Cbl62 (talk) 05:48, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * As noted above, I don't have an opinion right now about the NCAA side, because I haven't focused on it recently. Cbl62 (talk) 05:49, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * "NAIA Football National Championship" would be correct because that is the proper noun. But "NAIA national champion" is not a proper noun. It's a phrase that combines a proper noun in acronym form ("NAIA") with an adjective ("national") and an improper noun ("champion"). The adjective seems redundant because it's contained implicitly in "NAIA". Perhaps we should bring some others on this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football to get more input? Jweiss11 (talk) 19:18, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you're being a tad ridiculous on this one, but do as you please. Cbl62 (talk) 20:08, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Your "redundancy" argument would mean that "National" is redundant in "NAIA Football National Championship" or, similarly, in College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS and Category:NAIA Football National Champions. This is simply incorrect. Your stubborn streak is getting the better of you on this one. Cbl62 (talk) 20:12, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * If a proper noun like "NAIA Football National Championship" is redundant, well that's what it is. We have to reflect that as we didn't name it; the owners of that entity did. My issue here is only with redundant phrases that we Wikipedia editors choose or choose not to make out of improper nouns. College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS is a interesting case. Perhaps that article ought to be renamed "major college football national championships" or something like to avoid redundancy and since "NCAA Division I FBS" has only existed since 1978, and under that name since 2006. Jweiss11 (talk) 20:21, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * You make a good point on "College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS". I would probably support a name change. But it is not due to the "redundancy" argument, but rather to make the title more accurate and encompassing. Cbl62 (talk) 20:32, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Read
Hello, I read your comment at ANI. I think it was a spot on summary of the endless proposals. " ... Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?" Joseph N. Welch Lightburst (talk) 15:56, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello!
Hello! Thank you for commenting on my AfD nomination. I'm very new to this, but I'm looking for as much guidance as I can. As I noted, I'm a Shepherd alum, so if this page does hold up I won't be upset whatsoever, but I may look at add a new page based on their prior season, 2015 when they did make it to the Division II National Championship. Is this something I could garner your help with, or is there a resource I can use? Thank you in advance, I appreciate any help or guidance you can provide. Spf121188 (talk) 17:54, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The AfD you opened for the 2016 team should help to flesh out the extent to which Shepherd gets SIGCOV outside Martinsburg. If the topic ends up passing WP:GNG, I'd be happy to help you evaluate the 2015 team. Newspapers.com is the best source to dig for SIGCOV. If you don't have access, you can apply for limited free access through the Wikipedia Library program. Or you could just subscribe for a month to get full access. Cbl62 (talk) 18:02, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I appreciate it! I'll take a look at Newspapers.com for other articles for this team. I'll let the process play itself out for the AfD, and I was reluctant to create it, but felt like it was worth looking at. Hopefully I didn't do anything wrong with it. Thank you again! Spf121188 (talk) 18:17, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Not sure how the AfD will play out, but, no, you didn't do anything wrong. Cbl62 (talk) 18:40, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

DYK for 1959 Texas A&I Javelinas football team
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

DYK for 1963 Saint John's Johnnies football team
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

DYK for 1965 Saint John's Johnnies football team
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DYK for 1967 Fairmont State Falcons football team
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Hallelujah!
Finally!!!! Jweiss11 (talk) 20:41, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * A good day. Cbl62 (talk) 21:08, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

DYK for 1955 Hillsdale Dales football team
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DYK for Nate Clark
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 * p.s., I made this template for you :) when you used to keep the stats page, you told me when my first hook had made it—so thanks for giving me the idea to restart the practice! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 08:25, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * p.s., I made this template for you :) when you used to keep the stats page, you told me when my first hook had made it—so thanks for giving me the idea to restart the practice! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 08:25, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Charlie Green (American football)
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DYK for 1964 Wittenberg Tigers football team
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Non-championship seasons bolded anyway
Per, it would be better to apply underline consistently across the navboxes because using bold is misleading. As I explained, at any season article that article will be bolded, regardless of whether it was a championship season. DrKay (talk) 17:28, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I am not wed to bold vs underlining but there are hundreds of CFB templates (see Category:American college football team navigational boxes), and the consensus has long been to use bold to designate national championship seasons. A change of this sort should be discussed and subject to a determination of consensus. If consensus favors underlining, the change should then be made to all of the CFB templates, not just ad hoc on a handful of templates. Cbl62 (talk) 17:31, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Administrators will no longer be autopatrolled
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DYK for Pat Studstill
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A monocle for you!
From college football to DYKSTATS, you go above and beyond what the community might expect from you in order to create quality content, maintain morale, and achieve a better, cleaner consensus. So, I present you this monocle, because you're quite the class act. Cheers! :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 21:59, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, thank you, tlc, much appreciated. Cbl62 (talk) 22:04, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Lew Nichols III
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Autopatrolled Granted
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DYK for 1973 Abilene Christian Wildcats football team
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

DYK for 1970 Westminster Titans football team
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DYK for 1976 Westminster Titans football team
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DYK for 1977 Westminster Titans football team
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DYK for 1988 Westminster Titans football team
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DYK for 1989 Westminster Titans football team
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DYK for 1994 Westminster Titans football team
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you very much, Beanie. You deserve one of these too! Cbl62 (talk) 17:04, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

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Pete Vainowski
Hi Cbl62, Pete Vainowski, which you and me expanded, was deleted in the AFD with 8 keeps and 3 deletes. Can you tell me what you think of this? BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:20, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Replied at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football. Cbl62 (talk) 20:17, 26 December 2021 (UTC)