User talk:Cbl62/Archive 2022

DYK for Mally Nydahl
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Mally Nydahl newspaper image?
Greetings, Cbl62. (May I call you Cb?) I was looking at recent DYKs without images to add images to (I do that occasionally), and found this article. Since it's an early 20th century US subject, those sometimes have images that have entered the public domain. So I looked at Newspapers.com and found a photo on The Minneapolis Star, Minneapolis, Minnesota, 15 Mar 1927, Tue Page 13, that I was ready to upload under https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-US-no_notice (that issue is only 16 pages long, and I couldn't find a copyright notice on any of them; if I had found one, I would have searched copyright records to see if it could be https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-US-not_renewed) ... when I noticed that someone with a somewhat similar username to yours had clipped it the very day that you started work on the Mally Dydahl article. So - um. Any chance you've already seen this image, and rejected it for some reason? Is there a copyright notice somewhere on those pages that I missed? Or any other reason you didn't think it worthy of uploading? I mean, it's not the best conceivable photo, it's a little bit grainy, but it is full face, distinguishable, I'd certainly call it better than nothing. If there is a reason you considered it and specifically don't want it, I won't upload it, but otherwise, ready when you are, Cb. --GRuban (talk) 22:15, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I am sometimes unsure about using images that are not in public domain based on age, but if you think the image is usable, then by all means ... and thank you for your help. Cbl62 (talk) 23:28, 6 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Great, I was hoping it was something like that. Yeah, image copyright can be complex and scary; I didn't mess with it much in my first 5 years here, then gradually got more confidence by watching and reading debates as some images were successful and which got deleted. I still make mistakes, everyone does, but I would like to think I understand a fair bit more now. All we can do is the best we can. Hope you like. --GRuban (talk) 01:30, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Art Pharmer
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:03, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Francis Bacon (American football)
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Steve Hamas
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

DYK for 1912 Army Cadets football team
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 11 January 2022 (UTC) – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 07:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Dennis?
Any chance you'd be willing to revisit the Amanda Dennis AfD now that I've made a full source assess table? The most comprehensive source from S.A. Julio's comment turned out to be an unattributed direct copy of a PSU press release. The Patch article was also a press release from her club ("—News release submitted by Arsenal FC and Elite Clubs National League"). JoelleJay (talk) 18:03, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

2007 Shepherd Article
Hi Cbl62! I wanted to reach out and see if you could help me out with something. I'm drafting an article for the 2007 Shepherd Rams football team, and wanted to ask if you could maybe run a search on Newspapers.com for any articles on games/playoff games or rankings? I don't find much on Google and don't want to rely solely on Shepherd or other schools pages for a source. Given that they won the WVIAC and made it to the Quarterfinals, I figured it was a notable enough season. Let me know if that's something you'd be able to help with. Thanks! Spf121188 (talk) 21:40, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This page (here) links to individual game recaps and box scores. As for press coverage, here are a couple:, . Cbl62 (talk) 00:45, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thank you!! Spf121188 (talk) 13:25, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Football notability
I am very discouraged at how universal the opposition to the reasonable rise of the notability criteria to playing at least 3 fully professional games was. We seem a long way off from getting even semi-reasonable inclusion criteria for sportspeople.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:58, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

2017 Shepherd Rams
Hi Cbl62! I noticed you made an edit to my sandbox about Findlay (I'm using the sandbox now to create a template for a new Shepherd page,) but I had the 2017 Shepherd page published already. I went by what the NCAA article noted, that it was Findlay's first ever postseason appearance, but I didn't realize they had been in the postseason in the NAIA (per the pages you noted in your edit summary.) So, in the 2017 page, I went ahead and specified that, so I appreciate your letting me know! I'm still kind of getting a grip on making new articles, so any help is appreciated. Thanks again! Spf121188 (talk) 12:51, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Comment
See this. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:02, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Arnold Oehlrich
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Gösta Grandin
Something is going on that seems odd. In reverting your edit on Gösta Grandin that changed it to a redirect, the editor that did so gave as his reason "jpl by proxy". This seems very odd since I never even mentioned Grandin in my edits, and I never proposed redirecting all these articles. The fact that the same editor started 3 nominations yesterday to delete articles that I created, also seems very interesting. A large percentage of the Olympic articles I have nominated were created by this editor, but this is largely a function of this editor havingcreated so many articles on Olympians. There is something a bit odd about the whole set of interactions.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:21, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

WP:ANI notice
See WP:ANI. Fram (talk) 14:03, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

RFC Notifications
Moving this to your talkpage, as it is starting to distract from the RFC. First, the notice I replaced yours at WP:NSPORT with is a standard template. It doesn't provide much information, in order to ensure that it is not a biased message.

Second, the primary issues with your message are relating to how it twice suggests that NSPORT is being unfairly targeted, with language like "targeted solely at NSPORTS", though the rest of the message isn't ideal and would have been better as a standard template. As for the issue of the audience being partisan, I feel that is obvious. As such, I again ask that you remove those notices, and neutral ones can be added to various nonpartisan noticeboards, as well as to WP:CENT. BilledMammal (talk) 15:43, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I endeavored to be neutral in my notice and believe I did so. However, in response to your notes, I am modifying it to eliminate "targeted" and a couple other tweaks, including bolding, to address your concern. That said, I do believe it is essential notify the projects that are directly impacted by the proposal. As I noted at the RFC, such dramatic changes should not be made without notice to the impacted projects. If you believe neutral notices should also be provided elsewhere, I do not object. Happy to continue the discussion if you have further thoughts. Cbl62 (talk) 15:48, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I would ask that you replace it entirely with the standard template, as I believe there are still bias issues with the altered notice that I have seen, at WP:NSPORT.
 * For example, the line The new proposal is directed solely at NSPORTS and would not impose similar changes on SNGs for academics, entertainers, politicians, businessmen, or any other group or category is not necessary, and continues to suggest that NSPORT is being unfairly targeted.
 * As for the audience, a simple question: Do you believe that the members of the wikiproject are more likely, less likely, or equally likely to support the proposal compared to the average wikipedian? BilledMammal (talk) 15:52, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I made changes as you suggested. In what other ways do you believe the notice is still not neutral?
 * If you follow NSPORTS, you will see that it's a mixed bag that includes viewpoints from all sides of the spectrum. I view myself as a centrist but I tend to vote "delete" more often than "keep" at sports AfDs. The central issue here is that these projects are directly impacted by the proposal and deserve to be notified of significant proposed changes to guideline governing their efforts. Cbl62 (talk) 15:56, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I also have now stricken "directed". I do think it's important to note that it only changes NSPORTS and not other SNGs. Indeed, there was confusion on that point, and you yourself thought it was important to clarify/emphasize in your comments: ""I believe this will only affect WP:NSPORT". Cbl62 (talk) 16:02, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * NSPORTS involves more editors than just those from the sports wikiprojects. I have no issue with a notification being issued there. The issue is the wikiprojects, and I believe it is a fair assessment that they are more likely than the average editor to oppose the proposal. Indeed, four five editors show up shortly after you issued the notifications; two three of them are members of notified Wikiprojects (Tennis, Cricket, and Ice Hockey), a third fourth appears to be closely connected with another notified Wikiproject, Football. All of them !voted "oppose" (the fourth fifth !voted "support", and there is no obvious connection with a wikiproject yet), and while this is a small sample size, it does suggest that the notified audience is partisan and so notifying them violates WP:CANVAS.
 * I see you have been changing small aspects of that quoted sentence, but I still believe it is entirely inappropriate - it continues to suggest the NSPORTs is unfairly targeted. Further, I see no reason for it - why does it matter to WP:FOOTBALL that WP:TENNIS is affected but WP:NSCHOLAR is not? Honestly, the only solution to the messaging problem is the standard template. Turns out, not the only solution. BilledMammal (talk) 16:10, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I am striking the sentence that you object to. Cbl62 (talk) 16:14, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I just saw that - the message seems generally appropriate now. However, the issue of the partisan audience remains. BilledMammal (talk) 16:16, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think it was neutral to begin with, but I am ok with your suggested changes. As for the audience issue, RfC rules expressly authorize (even encourage) notice to relevant Wikiprojects. See Requests for comment: "To get more input, you may publicize the RfC by posting a notice at one or more of the following locations: ... Talk pages of relevant WikiProjects." The wikiprojects where I posted are precisely that, "relevant WikiProjects." Cbl62 (talk) 16:21, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:RFC is an information page; if it conflicts with a behavioural guideline like WP:CANVAS, then the guideline should be followed, not the information page. In general though, it doesn't matter how a partisan group is organized; CANVAS tells us that they shouldn't be notified, as it causes a vote stacking issue. BilledMammal (talk) 16:33, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I strongly disagree. Requests for comment is intended to ensure that there is fundamental fairness in making significant changes to policy/guidelines. A key element of such fundamental fairness is that constituencies directly impacted by a rule change receive notice (and an opportunity to comment) before the change is adopted and implemented. Such procedural fairness is of paramount importance in any democratic/consensus-based system. Cbl62 (talk) 16:38, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter why it is there; WP:RFC is an information page, and if it is contradicted by a guideline then the guideline must be followed, not the information page. I would further note that WP:RFC actually references this, stating: Take care to adhere to the canvassing guideline, which prohibits notifying a chosen group of editors who may be biased. BilledMammal (talk) 16:41, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I strongly disagree with your view that it is improper to leave a neutrally-worded notice to relevant WikiProjects about an RfC that directly impacts the scope of their work. Indeed, such notice is essential to ensure that procedural due process is satisfied. We shouldn't be adopting significant rule changes targeted at specific WikiProjects without giving those WikiProjects notice and an opportunity to be heard. This is pretty fundamental. Cbl62 (talk) 16:47, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * CANVAS tells us that if the audience is partisan, then the notification is improper. In this case, the audience is partisan, and so under current policy the notification is improper. I understand why you disagree with this, and sympathize to a certain extent, but the correct response is an RFC to alter WP:CANVAS, not to ignore it. BilledMammal (talk) 16:51, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I believe the notices were compliant with CANVAS as originally formulated. As modified (with your agreement they are now neutral), they are even more clearly compliant. This is not as though I selected particular editors who I believed would vote one way or the other. I have simply selected the NSPORTS projects that are directly impacted by the proposed change. Sunlight is good for democracy. Cbl62 (talk) 17:00, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTDEMOCRACY BilledMammal (talk) 17:03, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, then, sunlight is good for consensus. A "consensus" reached in the dark without notice to the impacted parties is not a real "consensus". Cbl62 (talk) 17:05, 22 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Having read both of your arguments, I am of the opinion that notifying WP:NSPORTS was appropriate under WP:APPNOTE. I really don't see a reason to keep them in the dark. However, I agree with BilledMammal that the notification was not neutrally worded: the more neutral title was the one employed by the proposer, and I think you've misconstructed the proposal with the bolded quote as being integral to the proposal, instead being one of the potential additional guidances (I'm stressing the "could" part of the sentence of the original proposal). In my opinion, that's close to canvassing. Pilaz (talk) 08:07, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I realize I haven't been entirely clear; to clear things up, I had no issue with notifying WP:NSPORTS, except with the particular message chosen. What I had an issue with was the decision to notify the various wikiprojects. BilledMammal (talk) 08:17, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi
Hi Cbl62 - hope you are well. Seeing as I didn't mention it in the ANI thread, I wish to apologise for saying you were acting as a proxy for JPL. It was wrong, and I should not have said it. Sorry for the belated reply. I understand if you're not interested, and want to remove this. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 13:11, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, User:Lugnuts. No hard feelings on my end. You were defending your work, and we can all get sensitive/prickly when we feel our work is being attacked. Cbl62 (talk) 19:36, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Stefan Lindberg

 * Thnakyou for your comments on Stefan Lindeberg. It seems to me that some people are intent on ignoring the spirit of the ruling on Olympic notability by trying to preserve most of the existing articles, at least at the level of categories, as redirects. They seem to do this even when there is clear evidence that there is no reason to presume this would be the primary use of the name. This is just assuming this specific spelling. There evidently was a recurring character in a Danish TV show named Stefan Lindberg. I am not sure how likely Danish/Swedish speakers are to confuse those names, but as an English speaker I did.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:59, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Blog post about Fred Bonine
May be of interest:

All the best, JBL (talk) 23:25, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks User:JayBeeEll: Loved the bit about "And who might Cbl62 be?" Cbl62 (talk) 03:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Haha yes :). I am always surprised when I mention to friends that I edit Wikipedia just how opaque this side of things is to them.  Happy editing, JBL (talk) 11:18, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

2005 Shepherd Rams
Good morning Cbl62! I wanted to see if I could get some help with newspapers.com, specifically looking for some press coverage of the 2005 Shepherd Rams football team. I have the draft submitted to AfC here, but a simple google search doesn't bring up too much. This particular year, Shepherd won their conference and made playoffs, so I'm thinking there has to be some coverage. Is this something you can help with? I appreciate your help! Spf121188 (talk) 15:02, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Sig cov
Avoiding the fray for a bit. You probably were aware that the two sources you cited at the Fitzgerald AfD as "three paragraphs in length" were at the same time only 3–4 sentences too. Considering your NSPORTS proposal #5, I'm anticipating that people would expect more from that one source minimum, if enacted. The interesting thing is that WP:SIGCOV keeps morphing over time. Currently, its vague whether it's signifcant coverage in each of multiple sources, or cumulative signficant coverage from even multiple smaller mentions. Fitzgerald looks like more of the latter, which might arguably be deleted with proposal 5. Food for thought.—Bagumba (talk) 06:13, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

David Hearst House
Hi Cbl62 hope u r well. I happen to be watching Bitchin': The Sound and Fury of Rick James, a 2021 documentary on Amazon Prime until 2/28, which happens to show overhead footage of what was a spectacular home of Rick James off Coldwater Canyon. This is after 49:00 in the documentary, includes James saying "We were living in Randolph Hearst's mansion...I mean, we were, like living big time" and it was a party house. Nate Hughes: "I mean, the house was so big, you rarely ran into each other." Levi: "there was some stupid shit going on out there" and it goes on, and it related to James' bad boy persona. I wondered if the house could be what I recalled from way back, the Harold Lloyd Estate (article which you developed back in 2008 and which i earlier tried to photo from afar, from a ridge which might or might not have overseen it, but i zeroed in on the wrong place on the split-up property), but it is not. Certainly a great house, akin perhaps to The Manor (Los Angeles) 2009 article, it seems to me like it should be one covered in Wikipedia. AFAICT it is not NRHP-listed, and is not in California Historical Landmarks in Los Angeles County. And I think it is outside of City of Los Angeles so not a LAHCM. There is good amount of coverage of the house though, including: LATIMES 1989 article "Onetime estate of L.A. publisher David Whitmire Hearst lists for $13.5 million": "The hacienda-style estate in the Beverly Hills Post Office area ..."

Also David Whitmire Hearst is the only one of 5 children of William Randolph Hearst and Millicent Hearst without a Wikipedia article, and there is enough about him in sources for an article, including David Whitmire Hearst, Official of Hearst Corp., Ex-L.A. Publisher, Dies", LATimes obit of May 13, 1986. Some coverage and photos of Hope Chandler and David in this New Yorker stuff who were married 1938 until his death in 1986.  (Not same as David Whitmire Hearst Jr. (in a Forbes profile), who bought a Couer D'Alene estate which might possibly also be referred to as a David Hearst House.

I wonder if you might be interested in developing, or helping me develop, one or two articles here? Perhaps to try at Draft:David Hearst House, hopefully to include some Rick James coverage from the documentary (or from elsewhere, but I am doubtful that other will be easy to find). --Doncram (talk) 16:01, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

How do you "withdraw" from an AFD?
serious question Cranloa12n (talk) 02:22, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Just type Withdrawn in bold at the bottom of the AfD discussion. Cbl62 (talk) 02:36, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Larry Archambeault
If you have time, Larry Archambeault could use some TLC. Cheers! Flibirigit (talk) 15:04, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

The bad NSPORT close
FYI, since you responded JoelleJay knew that, as we expressly discussed it, which suggests you were disappointed by what I said: I wanted to clarify my comment on subproposal 5 was intended to support your argument, not detract from it. I just wanted to point out the absurdity of his "from inception" interpretation, I wasn't commenting on the question of whether or how to apply #5 to existing articles.

I think many of the closing statements (but not the outcomes necessarily) should be taken to DRV, they are just too wildly divergent from the proposals themselves as well as the results. Closing statements are so critical to precedent, especially in gigantic discussions where future readers are obviously not going to read even 1/10th of one subproposal; they absolutely should reflect the actual consensus and accurately characterize participants' arguments. In my opinion Wug approached the close with preconceived opinions on what he wants NSPORT to say, but lacked the familiarity with the guideline to understand what the subproposals intended in the context of the existing NSPORT text, which is what led to his utterly idiosyncratic interpretations. For example, if he understood a) what the second sentence meant and why it is there and b) the concept of "presumption of GNG", he would not have had any issues with the "from inception" phrase in subproposal 5 and would have correctly deduced the only real point of contention was if existing articles would be grandfathered in or not. Unfortunately he has a history of being (*) toward other editors explaining how NSPORT functions, so I do not have high hopes he will make any amendments to his closes himself.

(*)This was his response to me in the NOLY thread: JoelleJay (talk) 18:31, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Fernando Huergo
This is an interesting case. When I search for Fernando Huergo I come up with information on a contemporary Jazz musicians in google. I am not sure if he is notable, but if he is he would probably be the primary search term. When I search in google books my first hit is this which is a note about a letter that was either to or from what seems likely to be this Fernando Huergo, but I am not sure I can be sure of this. Also he is in a category for being a Pan American game medalist, but no text in the article itself seems to say anything about that. This source does support that he was part of a team of g from Argentina who got a silver in the 1951 Pan American Games Sabre competition. I am not sure if Silver at the Pan American games is quite enough to be sports notable, but we would still want something more than a bare name in a table which is all I have found so far. I am suspecting there might be some actual in-depth sourcing, but I have not found it yet. I was wondering if you thought you might be able to find some.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:56, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I found this, this and this which discuss an Argentine general of the same name who was president of the Argentine sports federation that was in charge of selecting the 1956 Olympic team. Unclear if this is the same guy or not. Also, I don't think these are SIGCOV about Hergo. Cbl62 (talk) 13:13, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Mike Koken
 Schwede 66  12:02, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Southern States Conference
Clb62, I admire your ability to unearth hyper-specific newspaper citations from long ago. In the spirit of WP:CFB collaboration, would you mind helping me put a bow tie on the references for Southern States Conference? Back in December / January, I spent probably more than 50-60 hours finding refs to beef up the history of the SSC, the members, the members' timelines, etc. It became an unexpected passion project. I previously pinged the college football project but got no response.

But then I hit a huge wall, specifically for:
 * 1) The exact year Talladega College joined
 * 2) The exact (or even approximate) year Selma College joined
 * 3) Verification of the football champs in 1947 & 1950–1959 (I don't know if these are the champions however, I was just running with the teams that had previously been listed on the article before I began expanding it... some of those champs might be wrong)

Might this be an article you'd be interested in running the final turn of the 4x4 on? SportsGuy789 (talk) 16:01, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Bill Smyth (American football)
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

New administrator activity requirement
22:52, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Bob Starkey (rower)
I am realy frustrated how people are allowed to engage in rude person attacks at the discussion page involving the discussion of deleting this article. I am also frustrated at how much people get away with arguemtns that boil down to we have lots of unsubstantial articles on Olympic competitors so much so we should keep every possible unsubstantail article on an Olympic competitor.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:31, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I am sure it must be frustrating, but in the case of Starkey, your nomination and arguments have been squarely on point. Your one-off error in referring to "olympia" instead of "olympedia" is the sort of mistake that we all make and certainly didn't IMO warrant the attack on your competency. Don't let it get you down. Cbl62 (talk) 21:35, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thankyou. I try to tell myself at least the status of Olympians is not being preserved with as much foot dragging against change as has been seen with some other sets of articles that were deemed to no longer be default notable. It is a slow process though.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:48, 12 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Franz Barta's entry at Olympedia is an example of exactly why it is so outreageous that some people are acting like Olympedia is a source that across the board provides in-depth coverage.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:08, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

1946 North Carolina State Conference football season
Cbl62, I moved Template:1946 North State Conference football standings back to its original name from "North Carolina State Conference" per the common usage in newspaper coverage. Category:1946 North Carolina State Conference football season needs to be deleted. Even if "North Carolina State Conference" was the common name here for 1946, Category:1946 North State Conference football season already exists. The proper move would be to rename that category accordingly. Jweiss11 (talk) 21:30, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Even though the Official NCAA Football Guide for 1947 refers to it as the North Carolina State Interstate Conference, you appear to be right about the common usage in newspapers. Cbl62 (talk) 21:44, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Fifteen Year Society
Dear ,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Fifteen Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for fifteen years or more. &#x200B;

Best regards, Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 14:17, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Battle of San Buenaventura
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Drane Scrivener
— Maile (talk) 00:03, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Missouri Valley Viking during WWII
Cbl, thanks for creating those new Missouri Valley Vikings season articles. A bunch of the articles refer to a 41-game winning streak sourced to Volney Ashford's College Football Hall of Fame profile. But Missouri Valley appears to have played in 1943 and 1944 without Ashford coaching; he was serving in the navy during WWII. See:
 * https://web.archive.org/web/20150913062633/http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/incomplete_data/game_by_game_current.php?teamid=2061&year=1943,
 * https://web.archive.org/web/20150913062900/http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/incomplete_data/game_by_game_current.php?teamid=2061&year=1944
 * https://www.newspapers.com/clip/103005724/the-des-moines-register/.

So this was 41-game winning streak for Ashford, but not for the program. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:07, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I read the articles differently. As I understand it, the Navy took over the school during WWII, and the 1943 and 1944 teams were V12 programs that weren't counted against the team's winning streak. Cbl62 (talk) 03:10, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The contemporary press widely reported on the streak, excluding the 1943 and 1944 V12 teams. See e.g., here (AP tory reporting that MV with its 39th consecutive win had tied the all-time college football record) and here (reporting on the end of MV's streak at 41 games). Cbl62 (talk) 03:13, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The United Press also recognized the record-breaking streak. See here ("Vikings Set New All-Time College Record Of 40 Straight Wins"). Cbl62 (talk) 03:20, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. It was a V12 deal. Thanks for clarifying. That should be probably be mentioned when explaining the streak. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:42, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed, and done. Cbl62 (talk) 03:45, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Baseball stats
If you like baseball streaks, check this guy out, other end of the scale. Gets called up straight out of college (never played in the minors), plays backstop for three pitches in the ninth, team loses. He never plays again, never bats, then retires at the end of the season. Jimmy Boyle (baseball) Likely one of the shortest (if not the shortest) pro careers. Even had to pay for his road and home uniforms, which he only likely wore a few times. Oaktree b (talk) 19:38, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

If you are up for some Michigan greats, I have some ladies for you.
Hey. I hope all is well. Whereas all the Michigan men at Template:Big Ten Swimmer of the Year navbox have articles a handful of ladies don't. I have not looked any of them up, but doubt that the women are any less spectacular than the men. Maybe you could find some stuff for some of them.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:29, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Checking back and I just noticed User:Cbl62/Todolist in your edit history. I guess these ladies will be red for a while.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:44, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Russ Hoogerhyde
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

SSG
Hi Cb162, Good day. I was reading about the removal of all Sport Specific Guidelines (SSG) and understand that which was reject based on what you wrote here and I believe the RfC was related to Implementing the RfC - participation criteria - interim status was closed as "Obsolete discussion" and the issue would be discuss under Sport by sport review. What happen if certain sport was not part of the discussion? would the same (existing) SSG (MMA) remain unchanged? Kindly advice the update. Cassiopeia  talk  08:48, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Not sure I understand the question. The proposal to eliminate NSPORTS in its entirety was rejected. There were a couple of sub-proposals that passed, including the elimination of NFOOTY, NGRIDIRON, and other participation-based criteria, and those have been implemented. Cbl62 (talk) 13:38, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Cb162, Thank you for answering the questions. When you said "sub-proposals that passed" you meant the discussion on Sport by sport review? And if the sport (mixed martial arts (MMA)) was not discussed that would means the existing MMA SSG remain the same? Thank again and waiting for your reply. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia  talk  00:52, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know about MMA specifically, but it would have remained the same unless it had a "mere participation" criterion. Such participation criterion were eliminated as a result of the Village Pump sub-proposal that did pass. Hope that helps. Cbl62 (talk) 00:54, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Cb162, could you pls define "mere participation" criterion pls? so I may understand how it apply to MMA. Thanks in advance. Cassiopeia  talk  01:03, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The proposal that passed eliminated those parts of NSPORTS that created a presumption of notability based on "mere participation" in a game or match. It left unimpacted those portions that were premised on particular levels of achievement, awards, etc. Cbl62 (talk) 01:06, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * So if a MMA fighter fought in a top tier organization (highest level in the world league) but not for title fight would this be considered under "mere participation" criterion ? Cassiopeia   talk  01:14, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know the specifics of MMA, but it sounds like that would be a participation criteria. In like manner, portions of NSPORTS for those who played in NFL, NBA, NHL, and MLB (all of which are the highest level in their respective sports) were eliminated. Cbl62 (talk) 01:18, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * So you meant (1) NFL, NBA, NHL, and MLB players could only have a page if they pass GNG? and (2) moving forward current WP:NMMA and GNG would be applied to MMA fighters then? I believe we could add fighter who won major league title fight could pass NSPOR/NMMA too even thought it is not stated in NMMA.Pls clarify and advise how to get approval to add it in. Cassiopeia  talk  01:24, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know about MMA, but, yes with respect to NFL, NBA, NHL, and MLB players - GNG is the applicable standard currently. Cbl62 (talk) 01:28, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Any proposal to establish a new MMA guideline would need to be approved at the NSPORTS Talk Page. Cbl62 (talk) 01:29, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * , OK Cbl62, thank you for taking so much of your time to explain and clarify my questions. I will relate back to the WikiProject MMA editors on this matter. Thanks again. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia  talk  01:32, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

College football team seasons categories
Cbl, when you created categories like Category:Bemidji State Beavers football seasons, don't forget to include Category:College football seasons by team as a parent cat and the sort key on main program category, "Seasons" on Category:Bemidji State Beavers football. Thansk, Jweiss11 (talk) 03:59, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * OK. I'll try to remember. Cbl62 (talk) 04:06, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

An American Football Barnstar!

 * Thank you, . Cbl62 (talk) 18:15, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Hugo Nielsen
Thankyou for your comments on the article on Hugo Nielsen. I am starting to think we have turned a corner this year in Wikipedia guidelines, and maybe in the future we will start moving away from micro-stubs and towards articles with more substance. I am trying to not get too hopeful for such developments, because it seems that every time we start to move towards such there are people who try to block such improvements. The volume of AfD for bios used to mainly be in the 200s at any given time, it is currently in the 300s, and was in the 400s in late June. We shall see what happens further on. Of couse since the volume is somewhat effected by speed of closure as well as total number of nominations it is not a clear indicator.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:55, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Topic ban
I was trying to find link to the topic ban on me. I may have been misremembering a word. I wanted to look over it. I was not able to quickly find it. Do you have a link or could you tell me how to quickly find it, please?John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:23, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:RESTRICT is one of them - scroll down for the other one. SarekOfVulcan (talk)  15:28, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thankyou. I had thought it limited me to one nomination every 24 hours. Luckily if you do every 24 hours it comes out the same, since if you wait at least 24 hours you do not have any possibility of doing it in the same calendar day. Knowing it is written how it is makes it so I can now know that I do not have to actually wait until 24 hours have passed, just make sure it is a new day by the time standard. This will probably not matter, because it looks very likely I will be put under a new ban from all editing of anything even vaguely related to AfD, and may be just plain banned from editing Wikipedia period. However, thankyou for the link.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:29, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Arb com question
I was wondering if there was anything that you could tell me about the speed at which Arb com decisions are made. Is it possible to find some links to past decisions so that I can review how they go down. I probably should have done this early, but I have not.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:08, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I have no background into Arb com's timeline for deciding cases. Sorry. Cbl62 (talk) 07:30, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Kyle Murphy (American football, born 1998)
Hi Cbl62. Can you tell me if you think this is notable? Thanks. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:09, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Probably but not 100% for sure. For modern players who played for teams below the FBS level and did not (a) win a major award, (b) set a significant record, or (c) play in the NFL, I tend to apply GNG a bit more strictly. A few questions: Other than the FanSided blog, what evidence do we have that he was actually picked by the AP as a second-team All-American? Do we know whether it was the official AP college football A-A team or a more specialized FCS team? Also, I'm unsure on whether the "Sports Illustrated" piece was really published by Sports Illustrated or was just part of a blog (FanSided) included on the SI.com web site. Cbl62 (talk) 20:29, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Murphy was selected as part of the AP FCS All-America team, see here. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:33, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you think it would be alright if I moved it to mainspace or do you think it needs to go through another round of AFC? BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:30, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I suggest not pushing the envelope and letting the AfC process run its course. There's no particular rush as far as I can see. Cbl62 (talk) 23:38, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

DYK for The Strike (Westinghouse Studio One)
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Precious anniversary
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EJ Smith DYK
I'm late to your ping, but it seems to be close to being resolved now. Didnt want to complicate things there, but from a purely football perspective, the Doak Walker Award watchlist is more prominent for me than a breakout list mention. I suppose there is some merit to "global" appeal. Cheers. —Bagumba (talk) 02:30, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

And perhaps remove the MOS:EGGy links in 3b to Emmitt Smith and RB. To me, they discourage clicking on the bolded link.—Bagumba (talk) 02:47, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Hazelwood massacre
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DYK for Rock Road massacre
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br
Thank you for your analysis of hook performance. I replied to one, but also fixed the html which confuses the editor. Please, if you need br for a new line (which I doubt), close it by a slash, br /, or the editor is confused and shows everything following in pink. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:28, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

On the general topic: you mention attention-grabbing words such as "rape" (last week) or "Nazi", you get a few thousand extra clicks, only: is that what we want, feed sensationalism? If a hook is for Christmas eve, it will perform poorly, predictably - who reads Wikipedia on Christmas Eve= - but that's no reason to show it a different day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:31, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comments. I agree with everything you said. The point of such an exercise should not encourage sensationalism or using eye-catching words -- simply to help us focus on what makes hooks more interesting. And of course it makes sense to run a hook about a Christmas Eve performance on Christmas Eve. Cbl62 (talk) 19:47, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * One more: you may want to also link the nomination, for a quick reference. Which might show - taking the Salmo 150 hook as example - how a hook changed, + this one was completely rearranged in prep. Very often the hook approved isn't what the reader will see. Sometimes I'd like to make an experiment: running two versions of a hook in similar conditions. Take Kai Bumann, not yet on the Main page. A hook was proposed in June. Another which is basically the same minus mentioning an opera was approved yesterday. Is one really better than the other? Was it worth arguing for months? - Another consideration: when we have two sets, European topics in the first set almost always perform poorly, because Europe sleeps for most of the time, and others seem to be less interested. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:40, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Question
Hi again Cbl62! I'm sorry to bother you on your talk page. I wanted to ask you a question (kind of about this edit.) So, there are a number of articles created by what was a sock account pertaining to several ski mountaineers that don't seem to meet GNG. I've gone through several articles that this user has created, and there have been several (not all) articles that would be useful to redirect to (as you noted,) the Military patrol for Olympics that WP currently has. I feel like I could just be bold and redirect some of these articles to the Military Patrol articles that have been noted rather than putting them through AfD, but I haven't actually redirected an article yet. Is there a direction you could point me toward for some guidance? Any help would be greatly appreciated! I don't want to add any more articles to AfD if I can help it, and this would probably be helpful. I appreciate any guidance you can provide. Thanks! SPF121188 (talk this way) (contribs) 23:07, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, if I can add, I also never knew that Military Patrol was an Olympic event either! Kind of fascinating to learn about (Wikipedia literally teaches me new things every day, which is awesome.) SPF121188  (talk this way) (contribs) 23:09, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I think redirects could be appropriate. My suggestion, however, would be to do them with the same WP:BEFORE that you would in advance of an AfD. If no SIGCOV is found, and none is present in the article, then the article is, at a minimum, in violation of WP:SPORTBASIC ("Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources."). Accordingly, redirecting would be appropriate IMO, and if anyone disagrees, they are free to undo the redirect. Then, if you still think the article is lacking, you could bring it to the community at AfD. Cbl62 (talk) 23:16, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Signature
Hi. I added your username to your signature on your most recent entry at Notability (sports) Basketball discussion. Only the time stamp was produced by the software. Here is the diff. Regards, ---Steve Quinn (talk) 19:30, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Walter Nolen
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DYK for Larry Kelley
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DYK for E. J. Smith (American football)
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

AfDs
Hello, Cbl62,

I wanted to let you know that I appreciate your participation in AFDs. I just started reviewing them in January and you always make a thoughtful contribution to the discussion, mentioning sources that you have found. I just wondered why you often don't state the outcome you would prefer to see happen with these articles. Are you on the fence with many of these articles or just wanting to stay "neutral"? I'd value hearing what you'd like to see occur with the articles being proposed for deletion. Thank you! Liz Read! Talk! 05:51, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kind words. If it's a topic where I feel I have particular subject-matter expertise (American football, baseball, historic sites), I will almost always advocate a specific outcome. But there are occasions where I don't have the time (or subject-matter expertise) to carefully assess the coverage to determine whether the sources are reliable or the subject truly notable. In those cases, I will occasionally simply offer examples of the coverage I've found and leave it for others to draw their own conclusions. If there are specific cases you have in mind, let me know and I'll have another look. Cbl62 (talk) 06:07, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, I understand. I wish all AFD participants were as thoughtful as yourself. I am having trouble with one editor who simply adds "Delete per nom" on many AFDs. I don't know if they even look at the articles, much less look for sources. All editor input on deletion discussions is not equal! Liz Read! Talk! 04:59, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

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DYK for Willie Hernández
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 4 September 2022 (UTC) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 03:01, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Mykel Williams


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DYK for Milt Wilcox
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DYK for Larry Herndon
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DYK for Troy axe murders
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Nomination of List of homicides in California for deletion
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DYK for Court-martial of William T. Colman
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 25 September 2022 (UTC) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 03:11, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks leeky, I'm delighted that this little piece of America's racial/military history found such a wide audience. Cbl62 (talk) 05:03, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Lance Parrish
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DYK for Royal Oak post office shootings
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:38, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Cephas L. Bard
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Nomination of $1,000,000 Worth of Twang for deletion
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DYK for M Club banner
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Thankyou
Thankyou for your comments. I very much appreciate them.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:35, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Murder of the DeLisle children
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DYK for Rommy Hunt Revson
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DYK for Richard Frederick Dixon
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DYK for Dale Haney
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DYK for Eyabi Okie
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Carson Steele
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DYK for Beryl Benacerraf
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undefined reference in ten articles
Hi there! You've edited some "year in Michigan" articles (like 1948 in Michigan) to change some population numbers. Thing is, the changes are largely unreferenced. A couple have individual references, but you've added a referenced named "detpop" to each one -- but that reference isn't defined. Are you able to supply references for these changes? Seems like they shuld be reverted, otherwise. -- Mikeblas (talk) 21:18, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm confused by the question. The 1946 population estimates I inserted are all cited. See Template:Population of Michigan cities and counties (1940 Census). Cbl62 (talk) 21:21, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I think I see the issue you found. "detpop" was defined in 1946 in Michigan. I've now added the full cite to the template. Cbl62 (talk) 21:25, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks for the fix! Your to that same template also made changes that I thought weren't referenced, but it looks like you were just removing the 1930s column from the template. Why was that information removed? -- Mikeblas (talk) 21:30, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I had previously created this template with the 1930 column but on reflection concluded that the most pertinent data points were 1940, 1950, and "1946" estimates as a rough midpoint in the decade. If you strongly disagree, I'd be ok with re-inserting the 1930 column. 21:42, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't strongly disagree, but it does seem like the population info from the 1930s lent context to the information about the 1940s. -- Mikeblas (talk) 22:11, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Problem is, they're not all cited. Or, they were not until a couple of minutes ago, when you made to fix the undefined reference in the template. -- Mikeblas (talk) 21:26, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * As noted above, the "detpop" cite was included in 1946 in Michigan but did not get added in full to the template. Thanks for calling this to my attention. Cbl62 (talk) 21:30, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Billboard chart/notability for Progressive Percussion Vol. III?
Hi there! I was gobsmacked in an art exhibition to learn that Josef Albers painted album covers. I found the Persuasive Percussion Volume 3 article you started and added a note to that effect. Then I went down the rabbit hole and organized all the Persuasive/Provocative Percussion albums into a sequence, and added the missing Provocative Percussion Vol. III. However, that's flagged with {notability}, because I don't have access to The Billboard Book of Top 40 Albums to prove how successful or not it was. Can you help? Thanks! -- Skierpage (talk) 01:16, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Heh, since I started composing this, @78.26 added reviews and info and removed {notability}, but I'm still curious whether this had similar chart success to other Enoch Light albums. -- Skierpage (talk) 01:23, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I had no idea the covers were by a noted artist. Nice. I will try to dig to dig out my billboard book to check on III's chart position.  Cbl62 (talk) 01:25, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * unlike the first two volumes of Provocative Percussion, the third volume did not appear on the Billboard album charts. Happy editing! If you make more articles from albums of this era, and need help with sources, send me a message and I'll see if I can help. By the way, I think it would be better to source the information currently credited to discogs to the album itself, if possible. Discogs is kinda like a cousin to Wikipedia, great site, not a reliable source because it's user generated.  All the best,  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 02:16, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I couldn't find a template  😉. I see Persuasive Percussion Volume 3 has a bare   "Liner notes on back cover and inside the gatefold of the album" that is basically what I did, so should I change to a similar ref? Skierpage (talk) 09:49, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, that's better than nothing, but if it helps here's what I did for one of my articles. See reference #2 in None but One.  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 15:47, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks User:78.26 and User:Skierpage. The discussion prompted me to put on some excerpts from Provocative Percussion III. My dad had many of these "hifi" testing albums when I was young and used to play them on his stereo system. This music brings back good memories. Cbl62 (talk) 02:23, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Sansui QRX-9001.jpg Yup, they evoke Don Draper knocking back a scotch in a walnut Eames chair digging "new dimensions in sound recordings" playing on his console stereo. A decade later record labels and hi-fi companies hoped so hard that quadraphonic sound would be as cool. Cheers! Skierpage (talk) 00:11, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Seeking source
Hi - you seem to have created many of the team articles related to Black college football national championship. Do you have a source for the Pittsburgh Courier champions? I'm having trouble locating one in the article or elsewhere.

I'm particularly curious why multiple champions were awarded by the PC in the early years, mainly in the case of the the 1924 Paul Quinn team, but I can't find any evidence of their national championship-ness. This FCS records PDF, page 87, lists Wiley, not PQC, in 1924. Woodshed (talk) 08:40, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your interest in this neglected corner of college football history. The championship navbox I created in 2019 (Template:Black college football national champion navbox) was based in large part on the chart found at Black college football national championship. That chart is the product of efforts of multiple editors over the past 15 years. For most of the season articles I created, I dug into the Pittsburgh Courier archives (available through Newspapers.com) to verify and add sourcing. See e.g., 1951 Morris Brown Wolverines football team, fn. 1. It doesn't appear I did that digging for the 1924 Paul Quinn team. Any efforts on your part to move the process forward will be appreciated. Cbl62 (talk) 00:53, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Carlton Martial
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Cat sort keys on redirects
Cbl, when you create redirects like 2022 Adams State Grizzlies football team, it would be helpful if you include the proper sort key, so that Adams State sorts under A in the conference category. Also, if you can tag the talk page for these redirects with the WikiProject College football banner, that would be very helpful as well. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) Jweiss11 (talk) 04:15, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Chase Brown
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DYK for Benton Bangs
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Canvassing
It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on a biased choice at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anthony Jennings (American football) to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote—in order to influence Talk:Anthony Jennings. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Thank you.4meter4 (talk) 19:57, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I respectfully disagree. Canvasing involves notifying others of a discussion with the "intention of influencing the outcome of a discussion in a particular way." I had no intention to influence the move discussion and, indeed, didn't even link to the move discussion. My intention was to notify the closer of the AfD of circumstances suggestive of a possible ulterior motive in initiating the AfD. Further, I note that your dismissive attitude and borderline badgering of "sport" editors was not helpful to the discussion or to your position. If you care to know, I only vote to "keep" in about one in three sports related AfDs. This one, involving a Division I FBS Power 5 quarterback, IMO happens to be a slam dunk in terms of notability. Cbl62 (talk) 20:53, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I am glad to hear that was not your intention. I do think canvassing was an unintended consequence though. It has driven voters from the AFD to the move discussion and has influenced the consensus building process at the move discussion. Please consider assuming good faith in future, and also how notifications like that might impact consensus development. Have a very Merry Christmas and enjoy the rest of your day!4meter4 (talk) 21:00, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree wholeheartedly that we can all benefit from trying harder to assume good faith. I note this could apply as well to your AfD comment that, "This just re-affirms my experience that editors in the sports area consistently ignore policies widely applied and upheld elsewhere". We can all do better in the future. And, of far greater importance, I reciprocate your holiday wishes. Merry Christmas to you as well! Cbl62 (talk) 21:07, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is history behind that sentiment after participating in many sports related RFCs and AFDs over the years. Let's just say I am very happy over recent RFC rulings in sports SNGs, and that in general I try to avoid sports AFDs unless they are not controversial opinions on my part. I have some built up frustrations that aren't necessarily fair to the editors in this current discussion. I have to remember that past negative experiences are not accurate predictors of the current state of things. Best.4meter4 (talk) 21:16, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Junior Colson
-- RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 28 December 2022 (UTC)