User talk:Cbrodersen

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Oboe da caccia
You're speaking about the caccia in contrast with the "taille" (what Bach called the proto-English horn), are you? If what you say is correct, from personal experience (of playing both of these instruments), then you really ought to put in descriptive text similar to what you wrote to me on my "discussion" page. The curvature of the instrument's body must make it easier to finger the instrument, and the lower register is easier to play. The fact that other registers are good as well doesn't negate the fact that the lower register (the main reason why the instrument is used, because it has these lower pitches, unlike the oboe) is better is of great importance, and should be discussed. Badagnani 15:30, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I made the changes -- you should be aware that this article is an amalgamation of two previous articles on the instrument (I've forgotten why); this is why the article seems to "start over" again after the section on modern makers. It's sometimes (as in this case) difficult to reconcile different versions, but some of the material from the last paragraphs should probably be reworked into earlier in the article -- and section headings should also be added. Badagnani 15:52, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Authentic Performance
Hello Cbrodersen! Thanks for your comments about period performance. I agree with you about the name. The article isn't "mine" or anyone elses; articles are the collaborative work of the community (see WP:OWN). The reason I moved your addition to the talk page was because it included a lot of statements that read more like opinions than verifiable encyclopedic data. Phrases like "Many would argue. . ." while perhaps true, are usually to be avoided in an encyclopedia (wikipedia calls them weasel words. The comments about 'animosity' and 'enragement', though also very likely true, do not seem a suitable way to phrase things in an encyclopedia.

Now, that said, most of the comments you made on the talk page are very valid. I invite you read some of the articles above in the welcome message to familiaze yourself with policies like WP:NPOV and then dive in with your revisions! User:Antandrus, User:Makemi, and User:Peirigill are three other editors versed in Early Music. The first two are also admin's and would be happy to assist you!

Thanks for your help. Have fun and good luck with the article. -- MarkBuckles 23:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi!
It's nice to have another early music specialist around! If you're interested and have some time, please take a look at the Gregorian chant article. I've been working on plainchant articles, and several of us are working to bring the Gregorian chant article up to FA (Featured Article) status. If you see anything that bears improvement, please mention it on the peer review page or on the talk page, or just be bold and edit the page if you see something obvious. Thanks! Peirigill 00:21, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Yet another hello
Greetings! I'm happy to have you here as well; please feel free to make changes to the Authentic performance article, such as the ones you suggested on the talk page. (I hadn't noticed myself; there are hundreds of articles and discussions going on at any one time; but User:MarkBuckles kindly left me a note!)

On Wikipedia I mostly concentrate on the Renaissance and early Baroque, in particular composers, musical styles, and schools. Organology is a whole area in need of expertise. I'm looking forward to your contributions, and let me know if you need any assistance! I've been around a couple years and know how the place works. Cheers! Antandrus (talk) 00:45, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Natural trumpet article -- good work!
Hi -- just wanted to thank you for the excellent additions and amplifications you added to the natural trumpet article. I did my best (as an old ex-trumpeter [amateur] who just has a lay interest in the instrument and era) to expand it from its formerly minimal status, but your additions have really improved it! StanislavJ 23:25, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Die Wiener Philharmoniker
Hi, Cbrodersen. Yes, it is better now. Also, I'm not sure it's important to mention that the German phrase is plural, but it's certainly interesting. Just out of curiosity: how does "Wiener Philharmoniker" translate exactly into English ? (I had thought it meant something like "Viennese Philharmonic Orchestra", but that's singular). Thanks and regards, MUSIKVEREIN (talk) 19:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

No need to thank, your arrangement is really more accurate. I was going to suggest you make the same change to the Berliner Philharmoniker page for the sake of consistency, then I noticed you had done it already. Good ! Regards, MUSIKVEREIN (talk) 20:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

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 * That's what the article says, but can you find the exact year and the country where it was most popular?> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.99.2.2 (talk) 20:36, 22 March 2008 (UTC)  Danke schon!

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Pachelbel pronunciation
Cbrodersen,

I really don't want to get into a fight about this, but really, what you just did was replacing a cited passage (to which I could add another citation, from a scholarly article I've already told you about, and yet another one, from Perreault's Pachelbel catalogue, where he says he heard Germans pronounce it Pachelbel, etc.) with an uncited one. Shouldn't we at least try to find someone who has a copy of Duden Aussprachewörterbuch and look into that? Before erasing material that does not conform to our ideas, that is?

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate, understand, etc. your opinion. If you say that in Germany it is pronounced that way, I believe you. But citations are vital to good articles, and we can't just throw them away like this. Especially because this particular issue is complicated, according to scholars specializing in Pachelbel. So unless you can provide a source for your claims, I think your latest edits need to be reverted.

--Jashiin (talk) 13:14, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Jashiin - go to the Pachelbel article on German Wikipedia--there you will see that there is only ONE pronunciation given--the one I substituted with the accent on the correct syllable (although German Wiki has the wrong symbol for the middle vowel, I believe). It is not just my 'opinion' on how the name is pronounced--it is how I heard it pronounced IN GERMANY during the several years I lived there (where I also, incidentally, performed several Pachelbel choral works with a German choir). Not to mention that I am of German descent and speak German fluently, so I think I have a good grasp of the subject.

I think it is perfectly reasonable to list the German pronunciation as I gave, then the (bogus) 'English' pronunciation after that, if you insist on that.

You have to realise that there are many German names that are similarly constructed--Händel (or Hendel, in English Handel), Müthel, Pisendel are some of the ones that come to mind. In German, one does not pronounce them Händel, Müthel, Pisendel, which would be totally absurd in German, but rather Händel, Müthel and Pisendel.

Cbrodersen (talk) 15:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I gave this some thought; lets leave it the way it is (i.e. the way you left it - someone has already reverted the edits and didn't give any reasons.. *sigh*), but I'll add a footnote citing the scholars I mentioned, so that the readers are informed of the (slight) controversy. I guess thats the best way to handle the issue until someone does pick up Duden and/or those other sources that you mentioned on my talk page. Ok? --Jashiin (talk) 08:46, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Someone did pick up Duden, namely John Wells. And someone else inserted the pronunciations Wells found there into the article, providing a citation. Cbrodersen then removed two of the cited pronunciations without providing a source.


 * I happen to own a copy of the Duden-Aussprachewörterbuch and can confirm that it does indeed give the pronunciations, and  (with syllabic s), in that order. I'm going to change the article back.


 * Timeineurope (talk) 16:13, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Timeineurope, thanks for clarifying the Duden issue. Since you have a copy of Duden, could you please add a direct citation to the article? (i.e. page number(s), publisher info and ISBN) It'd be much better than just citing a webpage (the reference to which we can keep, just in case). --Jashiin (talk) 17:16, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Niklas Eklund - reply
See reply on my talk page - I prefer to keep a conversation in one place. Summary: Check out WP:RS - it's important. --Alvestrand (talk) 12:50, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * looks great now - and thanks for listening! --Alvestrand (talk) 18:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi!
I'm form the spanish wikipedia. It's nice to see another person with the smae interest. I've playing the oboe since I was 8, and I don't regret it! I would like to know more about you. Please give your e-mail or sth. if you are interested you could see es:Oboe, which I created. Please answer here: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario_Discusi%C3%B3n:OboeCrack Bye! OboeCrack (talk) 01:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Bassoon
Yes, but that's not the point. At the moment there is a lot of "point of view" and uncited statements that amount to "personal research", neither of which is permitted in a Wikipedia article. If you'd like to talk about how children are taught in the US, then the statement needs to say it's about the US and needs to be cite a verifiable independent source. What's true in the US apparently isn't true in the rest of the world. Millstream3 (talk) 06:37, 23 September 2008 (UTC)




 * I guess you weren't paying attention--I'm talking about North America, which includes Canada and Mexico, not just the U.S..

Sorry, this was not clear from the article.


 * For that matter, the pedagogical approach in question (where children start on another instrument before taking up the bassoon) is evidenced in such places as Australia and various countries in South America, all of which has been well documented over the years in The Double Reed, the journal of the IDRS. So this is hardly 'POV' or 'personal research'.

This is not cited in the article. Please see WP:NPOV, WP:V and WP:NOR.
 * Come to think of it, how children are taught bassoon in the UK (which you haven't documented in any way) may just be the exception, not the rule.

That may be true, but neither have I made any uncited claims about this in the article. I've restored the text about learning the bassoon under its own heading under "Technique", making it clear this is about "North America". Best wishes Millstream3 (talk) 15:03, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Titles of major musical works
Your edits at Bassoon and Peter and the Wolf  are in contradiction of Wikipedia style guidelines and universal practice at Wikipedia. In short: major musical works are italicised. See also the examples at WikiProject Opera. I suggest you revert your changes. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 16:25, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

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