User talk:Cbrown1023/Archive 10

Newsletter time
Hey, how are you doing? Are you still up for sending out the newsletter? I still need to develop a few more stories and finish some final updates before it's ready. By the way, could you please comment over at WP:Films talk page about a proposed roll call for the project? If you have any potential task forces in mind you think would be beneficial to start for the project, it would be great if you could include them as we're trying to see what the majority of our members want. We're also discussing the possibility of including coordinators within the project. I'll be sending out a roll call message in the next week or two, so I may need your services again with your bot. --Nehrams2020 18:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, I just got back from being in New York, so it'll be a little late, but I'll start it right now. :-)  Cbrown1023   talk   02:35, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

August 2007 WP:FILMS Newsletter
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Mailing List - FYI
Hi Casey, I read your mailing list post here, and while I agree with you that this perennial disruptor was deservedly banned, the channel ops are wrong. AFAIK at least one of the bot attacks was actually a user who is ironically enough been here for years, and remains in good standing. FV is a troll, albeit one with very little technical skills (e.g. not using a proxy), let's not give him credit for the recreational activities of others. Using a crappy script with chatzilla to flood and use of bots are very different skill levels as you know. he took is more his speed rather than using clones. Sorry for messaging you here, I'm a reader not a contributor to the mailing list. --MichaelLinnear 00:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, he definitely trolls on IRC too, having been banned a few times. :-( I wasn't sure if it was really true, so I just said "suspect", but I see your point. :-)  In response to the apology for messaging here, no problem, but you could still have e-mailed me privately if you wanted to. ;-)  Cbrown1023    talk   02:46, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

new Film banner
Okay, so I've done a bit of tweaking on User:Girolamo Savonarola/banner and added a proper usage guide. Also got some positive feedback at the WP Films talk page. Would you mind taking another look? Is it ready to replace the current banner? Can you do that for me (since it's protected)? Many thanks, Girolamo Savonarola 03:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Done, but it seems you need to clean up the new categories.  Cbrown1023   talk   21:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Which ones specifically? (I've been away from it for too long...) Also, it looks like I missed the categorizing for Future class articles. I've made the addendum on my banner subpage; can you duplicate this edit to the template? Thanks, Girolamo Savonarola 03:30, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * --> Just look at the Template talk:Film, there are a bunch of red-links at the bottom (or there was). I hope that this is the last update we need to do, it strains the servers terribly.  Cbrown1023    talk   01:47, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

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BrownBot for roll call
On the WP:Films talk page, we've been having a discussion over having a roll call for all members within the project to determine if they are still active within the project. Would you be willing to use BrownBot to send out the roll call message to all members within the project? If not, I can do it with AWB. It shouldn't be for another couple of days, as we're trying to determine if there is anything else we want to ask all of the members to do or vote for (such as potential task forces, merging of projects, or the creation of coordinator positions). Let me know if you're interested. --Nehrams2020 23:26, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry for taking a bit to get back to you. I should be able to do it if you need me to, just tell me what and when. :-)  Cbrown1023    talk   23:22, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem, I can see you're quite busy at times. We finalized what the message would look like and if you could send it out sometime this weekend that would be great. Please include the following message with a title like "WP:FILMS roll call" or whatever you think sounds good. Thanks again, I really appreciate this since it would take me a couple hours to do it with AWB. --Nehrams2020 19:51, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

"Hey fellow Wikipedian! Your username is listed on the WikiProject Films participants list, but we are unsure as to which editors are still active on the project. If you still consider yourself an active WP:FILM editor, please add your name to the Active Members list. You may also wish to add   to your userpage, if you haven't done so already. We also have several task forces that you may be interested in joining as well. Also, elections for Project Coordinators are currently in sign-up phase. If you would be interested in running, or would like to ask questions of the candidates, please take a look. You can see more information on the positions at WikiProject Films/Coordinators. Thanks and happy editing!"


 * No problem, and as you can probably see, I started the delivery a little bit ago. :-)  Cbrown1023   talk   22:57, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter: Issue XVI - September 2007
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Template:Film
The changes you just made introduce a lot of space above and below the template, which is now present on 33,000 pages. --MZMcBride 01:48, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Ugh, I hate this whole messing around with the template thing (see the post above the "Signpost" delivery).... it strains the server's way too much.  Cbrown1023   talk   01:51, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

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Fair use images
But I have been going to these images adding lines in the image description regarding the source, why the image is non-free, why it is needed, where it is used, etc., yet my hours of efforts to restore these images to their pages were all made useless since I did not use a template. I also had quite an issue with the images being removed from all of the pages before they were officially deleted, unlike other images that Betacommand tags, usually placing a red flag (turning the image into a thumb warning when the image will be deleted if action isn't taken) asking Wikipedians to add a reasoning for fair use. I wish my efforts weren't viewed as an attempt to curb copyright laws, nor an attempt to "disrupt" Wikipedia. My goal is to put an end to disruptions on Wikipedia, something I usually focus my efforts on being the AT&T/Bell articles, especially with IP vandals. Please do not view my efforts to remove tags and adding fair use rationales without templates as being "disruptive". I now will need to spend yet another 2 hours adding templates to the images to at least guarantee that they won't be removed. KansasCity 04:53, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Courtesy blanking - thank you
Thanks for taking care of that. I fully understood the anon's reasons, but I also realized that without some sort of request from him/her (as you can see from the page history), RC patrollers would simply continue to restore it and warn the editor in question. I only warned the editor one time, preferring not to resort to getting them blocked, as that wouldn't serve any purpose except to frustrate them further, so that's why I posted on the talk page, to get the editor to formally request a courtesy blanking. So thank you for solving the problem and blanking the page, I'm sure they appreciate it! Cheers, Ariel ♥ Gold 15:39, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course, and I completely understand that and am always grateful for RC patrollers. You acted correctly and I am grateful for your help. :-)  Cbrown1023    talk   15:43, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi. I also had reverted the anon on the Curious Gregor page; I was only vaguely aware of the concept of courtesy blanking. I have been involved in dealing with some of this user's more recent trolling, but was not involved during the March '07 time-frame. I believe that this is all one person with a host of sockpuppets and that it may-well be Timothy Boyle — User:Tim.Boyle. Note that I never had the opportunity to read the now deleted Timothy Boyle. I will respect the blanking, but would also encourage you — anyone, really — to keep an eye on this issue. I see that Articles for deletion/Timothy Boyle has also been blanked and I would like a bit of clarification about whether this, too, is appropriate. For reference: Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of R:128.40.76.3 and note that User:Curious Gregor was renamed to User:A.J.1.5.2. and User:128.40.76.3 — sans "r:" — appears to be this same user. --Jack Merridew 11:39, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Films roll call
Hey fellow Wikipedian! Your username is listed on the WikiProject Films participants list, but we are unsure as to which editors are still active on the project. If you still consider yourself an active WP:FILM editor, please add your name to the Active Members list. You may also wish to add   to your userpage, if you haven't done so already. We also have several task forces that you may be interested in joining as well. Also, elections for Project Coordinators are currently in sign-up phase. If you would be interested in running, or would like to ask questions of the candidates, please take a look. You can see more information on the positions at WikiProject Films/Coordinators. Thanks and happy editing! An automatic notification by BrownBot 22:56, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Captain America (2009 Film)
Does Captain America (2009 Film) meet WP:NF? I'm thinking it does but I'm not real sure. - Warthog Demon  21:59, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I would say it does.  Cbrown1023   talk   22:01, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, although the article could use a bit of copyediting, which I'm sure Cbrown1023 will take care of now that it's been mentioned. :) Newyorkbrad 22:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * :-P  Cbrown1023   talk   22:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Glad I wasn't too bold then and brought it to an unnecessary afd then. Thanks. :D - Warthog Demon  22:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * One of the benefits to having Cbrown's talk page on your watchlist: an easy head's up on any interesting far-upcoming movies. :) EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 22:05, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * :-DD  Cbrown1023   talk   22:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually it is sheer coincidence I selected him. :P I just went to the Deletion Log to talk to whoever was the last admin who deleted something. :D - Warthog Demon  22:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * hahaha.  Cbrown1023   talk   22:36, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

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:)
It wasn't a test on the rutgers page, I was doing vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.197.162.199 (talk) 20:42, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

;) - sorry for being a dick as well, I'm really ill at the moment and not in a very good mood, but I hope I didn't annoy you, and you'll forgive me :) *  Ail lema  21:29, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Awww... thanks, it's okay, you didn't annoy me. I know how you feel though, I'm sick as well! :-) Get well soon!  Cbrown1023    talk   21:52, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review
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Wait!
An arbitrator (Jpgordon) just wrote this morning at the bottom of the proposed decision talkpage that the COFS case closes tomorrow. Maybe better to wait one more day? Newyorkbrad 16:07, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I assumed he was just guessing at the time, but if you think I should wait, I will. :-) Though I am going into the city tomorrow, so I'll need to close it tonight (which is tomorrow in UTC).  Cbrown1023   talk   16:08, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 24h from the 4th close vote is tonight so that's fine. As for what Jpg meant, you could post to his page and ask him.... BTW, which city? Here, "the city" means only Manhattan. Newyorkbrad 16:13, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Which is why I used "the city" when speaking to you. :-) In case you didn't get that, yes, I am going into Manhattan tomorrow.  Cbrown1023   talk   16:14, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Talk to me again in that tone, young man, and you won't be going anywhere. :-P Newyorkbrad 16:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 *  Cbrown1023   talk   17:34, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Nehrams2020 RfA Thanks
Thank you for showing your support at my my RfA, which closed successfully with unanimous support. Once I learn how to use the tools, it looks like I can start fixing my own oversized FU movie posters now! Thanks for helping me in the past, but don't rest yet, as I may have new questions for you. If I make any mistakes, or if you have suggestions for how I can improve, let me know so I can address your concerns. By the way, I'll be messaging you later this week for the newsletter delivery (once I actually start it and finish it this week!). --Nehrams2020 06:43, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Philippine Normal University
Hi, you're the last administrator to delete Philippine Normal University and the article is currently protected. May I request that you redirect the page to Philippine Normal University-Manila? --Jojit fb 09:11, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅  Cbrown1023   talk   20:07, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Clerk assistance needed
Hi,

I need assistance regarding Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren/Evidence. Uncompressed, the log is almost 90 kilobytes in size. How should I proceed? ΔιγυρενΕμπροσ! 05:48, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Please e-mail arbcom-l (at) Wikipedia.org teling them you have the log and summarize it a bit. Then, if an arbitrator thinks it is necessary to see the entire log, they will contact you about it.  Cbrown1023    talk   20:04, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

"Inappropriate" link on the Trinity College, Dublin page
Hi, You sent me a message on September 26 accusing me of "add[ing] inappropriate external links" to the Trinity College, Dublin page. I added one link (singular). Would you mind telling me what it was about that particular link that made it "inappropriate" to you?

Thanks, Patrick Kelly

patrickkelly0204@eircom.net —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.125.120.12 (talk) 23:58, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, you only added one external link, but it was to a blogish type site without a neutral point of view, that was reverted before and has been known to attack the school and its faculties/students (among other things)...  Cbrown1023   talk   01:18, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

So we are agreed: it was one external link. External sites do not have to have neutral points of view. One cannot be neutral about everything, e.g. can one be neutral about the Holocaust? The external site to which the link was provided may "attack the school" but it does NOT attack its "students" and I deeply resent you saying that. What you call "other things" may be "attack[ed]" but is that in itself really sufficient reason to keep removing the link? I might add that the only reason the June 2, 1888 High Court of Ireland judgement is referred to on the Trinity College page is because I introduced that information (and that link) to the page. (Trinity College's people, of course, later 'adapted' what I had said about the judgement.) Ever heard of freedom of speech? All points of view should be heard. Obviously, the College authorities have been in touch with you. Why not just admit that and say that what you did you did at their behest?

Patrick (patrickkelly0204@eircom.net) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.125.120.197 (talk) 22:59, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Who said I denied it? The school has every right to contact us regarding that matter and ask for the link to be removed.  Freedom of speech does not apply to privately owned websites or institutions.  Cbrown1023    talk   01:36, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I was under the impression (evidently mistaken) that Wikipedia is a public resource and not beholden to or in thrall of private or special interests.
 * It is true, but you have violated this policy yourself by posting that link.
 * Which provision in what policy? I was referring to the non-commercial nature of Wikipedia.  By doing what you did, you give the appearance of being controlled.

So what if Trinity College does not want the information known? It should be known.
 * It is a non-neutral link that has does not really belong.
 * By which you mean uncomplimentary; that seems to be what is really making it unacceptable. I know that's why the College considers it "inappropriate"...

At their instruction you are preventing it from being known.
 * We took their tip and acted upon it, we could have said no to them.
 * But you didn't.

They asked for the link to be removed - but you are the one who removed it. The responsibility is yours. And you can't offer any explanation as to why - except to say that they asked for it to be done.
 * Completely incorrect, I have given you many reasons.
 * Vague allusions. Nothing specific.  Nothing fact-based.  (No evidence, no case.)

That, in itself, appears to have been more than sufficient - in your eyes, at any rate. As Oliver Wendel Holmes, a US Supreme Court Justice, once said: "...the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market...  That at any rate is the theory of our Constitution". Why not put the link back up and let people judge for themselves?
 * Why not let others judge whether or not it should be added?
 * Presumably, you are the "others"?

Or do you regard the people who use Wikipedia as incapable of judging things for themselves - to the extent that you have to make the judgement for them...? A summary judgement, made at the behest of others, inexplicable and from which there is no appeal or review. You can't even explain the basis for it, or point to anything specifically "inappropriate" in the content of the linked site. Do you have a supervisor or something who I can talk to about this?

Patrick (patrickkelly0204@eircom.net) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.125.51.198 (talk) 22:00, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi again,

Can you send me a copy of the e-mail or message the College authorities sent you asking for the link to be removed? I'd like to find out how they justified and phrased their request to you. As it concerns my link, and comments adversely on me, I think I have a right to see it - so that I can respond.

Patrick (patrickkelly0204@eircom.net) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.125.51.198 (talk) 22:14, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, all e-mails are kept confidential, for obvious reasons. Feel free to e-mail info-en [at] wikimedia [dot] org and let someone else decide what to do.  Cbrown1023    talk   22:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Can I paste all this into the Trinity College, Dublin 'talk page' at least? To let those with an interest see what's going on, and the unreasonable (and unreasoned) censorship being imposed?

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