User talk:Ccc09

Please add new comments at the end of this page - I've moved the help request down there.  Chzz  ► 14:30, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

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Cees van Riel
What is most import to change to this article and how? Ccc09 (talk) 13:11, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you asking about Cees van Riel?-- SPhilbrick  T  13:40, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I need help for the page about Cees van Riel., thanks!Ccc09 (talk) 13:48, 1 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I just entered a meeting expected to last an hour or so. If someone else helps great, if not, I'll comment in a little over an hour.-- SPhilbrick  T  14:03, 1 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't put external links, such as http://www.eur.nl/ and corporatecommunication, in the article itself; they can only be used in a special section at the end for == External links == - and then, only subject to certain conditions; see WP:EL
 * All facts need a reference to a reliable source - such as the stated date-of-birth.
 * It is especially important to have good, independent reliable sources (e.g. newspaper, book) for any claims, such as, "This was the first programme of its kind, offered at a university level (Master Degree), in the world."
 * Any information that cannot be supported by an appropriate reliable source should be removed


 * Some of the language is vague - for example "a variety of companies" - state facts; be precise. How many, what companies, and where is a reference. Other wording is not neutral e.g. "an influential Dutch scientist"
 * The section 'EcQ - The Strategic Alignment Monitor was copied from a website - here - so, I had to remove it.
 * Do not copy text from other websites. Doing so is a copyright violation.
 * If you did write it yourself, see WP:DCM.

 Chzz  ► 14:42, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Please shorten the section on "Books and articles" - we do not need an exhaustive list; a short paragraph of prose, mentioning examples, would be much better. Wikipedia is not a directory.
 * The article is mostly based on references from "Rotterdam School of Management", and could do with more independent reliable sources, to help show why the person is "notable".
 * Chzz gave a lot of detailed advice, I'll comment from a slightly different perspective. I see two interrelated issues:
 * It reads like a CV
 * It has no independent sources


 * Independent sources are the lifeblood of Notability, but they are more than that. If you use multiple sources independent of the subject, you are more naturally going to have a NPOV style (not guaranteed, but more likely). By using only sources from the source, it is going to read more like a CV, more like an advertisement for the person instead of a neutral biography.-- SPhilbrick  T  15:12, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks both! I will have a try.Ccc09 (talk) 15:17, 1 February 2011 (UTC)