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Speedy deletion nomination of Parris Cues


A tag has been placed on Parris Cues, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be unambiguous advertising that only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this article is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add  on the top of Parris Cues and leave a note on |the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would help make it encyclopedic, as well as adding any citations from independent reliable sources to ensure that the article will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. VernoWhitney (talk) 23:55, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

FYI conflict of interest guideline
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September 2010
Welcome to Wikipedia. Because we have a policy against usernames that give the impression that the account represents a group, organization or website, I have blocked this account; please take a few moments to create a new account with a username that represents only you. You should also read our conflict of interest guideline. If your username doesn't represent a group, organization or website, you may appeal this username block by adding below this notice the text. Thank you. HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:26, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Here are a few key questions:
 * Do you understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and not a business directory?
 * Do you understand conflict of interest?
 * Do you understand that to be considered for an encylopedia article, the subject must be considered to be notable?

You are currently blocked because your username appears directly related to a company, group or product that you have been promoting, contrary to the username policy. Changing the username will not allow you to violate the 3 important principles above. ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 09:16, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * There is nothing remotely salvageable or notable regarding subject company. Wikipedia is not a business directory.  I have yet to review the article on John Parris, but I'm similarly concerned.  If your intent is to continue work on either of those articles, then I'm not sure that a) Wikipedia is the place for you, or b) that there is any reason for unblocking. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 14:04, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * @Bwilkins - FYI in the world of Snooker, Parris Cues are renowned for being one of, if not the best Cue manufacturer, with 8 of the world’s top 10 professional players using a Parris Cue. If you don't consider that notable, then Wikipedia is most defiantly not the renowned source of information it's publicised as. As mentioned previously, the page I started is intended to ensure that information posted was factual and correct, as a lead into other content provided by other users (eg the page on John Parris, which I have had no involvement with at all).

Parriscues (talk) 14:52, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * If i quote from the article: Used and trusted by many of the world’s top professional players, Parris Cues are the ultimate in cue craftsmanship. John has every confidence that you will find a Parris Cue a pleasure to use and a joy to own.. This is pure and utter promotion for a product, instead of being objective information. Wikipedia has its own set of rules of inclusion which encompass notabiluty, verifiability and neutrality (Also see the Business FAQ). Compare your own article to the Pearson's Candy Company article, which is rated as a good article. I think you can see a large amount of differences in writing and language.


 * If you believe you can write an article that complies to the guidelines, i would suggest that you write the article on your talk page (Under a seperate header) and add } above it after you believe it complies to the respective guidelines. An admin can then check if the article is of good enough quality to move to the main space. Why am i suggesting this instead of unblocking you? For one reason - the article was incredibly promotional in its language, so if you would post a non-completely revised article it would likely be deleted again. There for, i suggest using this method to receive some feedback regarding your article. Naturally you can create a new account since you are soft blocked, but well - same deletion issue applies to reposting the article under a new name.  Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 15:02, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Parris Cues (New Article- admins please vet)

 * The draft here has no references at all (WP:VRS, WP:V) and it is not neutral (WP:NPOV). It appears to be original research. Please refer to WP:FIRST. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 00:12, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

About Parris Cues
Parris Cues is a Cue manufacturer headquartered in London, UK. Founded in 1983, the company was started by John Parris as an evolution of a keen interest in Snooker, and the need for maintenance and repair of his own cue.

Parris Cues products are exclusively produced at the company’s Forest Hill, London, UK workshop. The company sells its Cues worldwide to players of all cue sports, at every from the average man-on-the-street through to professional level.

John has worked with most of the top professional players, either making them new cues or re building and repairing much loved cues they have used for years. The experience John has gained over the years, working so closely with the world’s top players has given him a unique insight into the requirements of all players, these unique skills and unsurpassed attention to detail has enabled Parris Cues to become famous worldwide, renowned as the number 1 in cue craftsmanship.

Parris Cues are used and trusted by many of the world’s top professional players, past and present - Ronnie O’Sullivan, Jimmy White, Steve Davis, Stephen Hendry, John Higgins to mention a few.

Making a Cue
The shaft is the most important part of a cue, and must have the correct feel and rigidity so it will be able to perform the full range of shots expected, shafts are of the highest quality straight grained mature Ash or Maple are hand selected by John.

Once the shaft is selected and cut to the appropriate length the butt is then carefully hand spliced. This involves the shaft being hand planed then inlaid with a minimum of four separate splices of exotic timber (usually Ebony or Rosewood). Butts can also have decorative splicing and veneers to give the cue individuality, in a wide range of exotic and rare timbers which are typically selected for their unique grain patterns and distinctive colourings.

Cues are either one piece or jointed, with a joint made from solid brass to Parris Cues special design and are precision fitted to each cue ensuring perfect alignment and contact. The cue is then fitted with a brass ferrule to protect the top of the cue and give a good seating for the tip.

Finally the cue then goes through nine different sanding operations to give it a silky smooth surface, linseed oil is applied to the whole cue and the butt is burnished with wax to give a warm, smooth, natural feel. This finish unique to a Parris cue and very different from that of lacquered cues which are more common.

Parriscues (talk) 23:56, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The text is very promotional. This is an especially egregious example "The experience John has gained over the years, working so closely with the world’s top players has given him a unique insight into the requirements of all players, these unique skills and unsurpassed attention to detail..." This sounds like a commercial. You have to take all the peacocking and write from a neutral point of view. You also have not cited any reliable sources, showing the company's notability, and verifying its content. I am well situated to help you with providing sources, given that I am Wikipedia's majority writer of pool and billiard articles (it's pure coincidence I landed here; I was rather shocked when I opened up the adminhelp request and saw an article in my very particular specialty area, though note that I generally stay away from snooker related topics). Please note that it is common and not even unlikely that you will be blocked soon because of your disallowed username, which violates our username policy by being associated with a company that you are also seeking to write about and in promotional language—a bad trifecta. Please see WP:CORPNAME. What I suggest is that you abandon this account. Start a new account without a promotional name and then place your proposed article text on a subpage and work on it there, and where I can help with the sourcing. For example, a good place would be User talk:YourNewName/Parris Cues (obviously replacing YourNewName with whatever the new name of your account is). Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:17, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, boy do I feel dopey. I see you know or should already know about the problem with this username, as you are already blocked for it and have already made a request for a new username. Feel free to contact me when this is taken care of.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:23, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Just so you know, I just checked and there's some content in the Billiard Encyclopedia (page 108) that can be used but unfortunately, there's nothing in the Blue Book of Pool Cues, which is a great source, but doesn't have much on cues outside the U.S., and the Illustrated Encyclopedia of Pool and Billiards has nothing.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:39, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

About Parris Cues
Parris Cues are a cue maker headquartered in London, UK. Founded in 1984, the company was started by John Parris as an evolution of a keen interest in Snooker, and the need for maintenance and repair of his own cue.

Parris Cues products are exclusively produced at the company’s Forest Hill, London, UK workshop. The company sells its Cues worldwide to players of all cue sports, at every from the average man-on-the-street through to professional level.

John has worked with most of the top professional players, either making them new cues or re building and repairing much loved cues they have used for years.

The first notable major cue repair was performed in 1987, when Steve Davis‘s cue snapped at the ferrule, whilst playing in the Rothman’s Grand Prix. It was decided the best option for repair, whilst maintaining the cues balance, and therefore playability, was to extend the butt by the same length lost from the tip, but this meant sawing the most famous cue in snooker in two!

Parris Cues are used by many of the world’s top professional players, past and present - Ronnie O’Sullivan, Jimmy White, Steve Davis, Stephen Hendry, John Higgins to mention a few.

Making a Cue
The shaft is the most important part of a cue, and must have the correct feel and rigidity so it will be able to perform the full range of shots expected, shafts should be produced from the highest quality straight grained mature Ash or Maple.

Once the shaft is selected and cut to the appropriate length it can then be hand spliced. This involves the shaft being hand planed, then inlaid with a minimum of four separate splices of exotic timber (typically Ebony or Rosewood). Butts can also have decorative splices and veneers to give a cue individuality, a range of exotic and rare timbers are chosen for butt decoration, because of their unique grain patterns and distinctive colourings.

Cues can be either one piece or jointed, often for practical reasons as a jointed cue is easier to transport. Cues are fitted with a brass ferrule to protect the top of the cue and give a good seating for the tip.

Finally the Cue goes through many different sanding operations, linseed oil is applied to the whole cue and the butt is burnished with wax. This finish unique to a Parris cue and is very different from that of the more common lacquered cues.

Reply to help request

 * Aim for an encyclopedic, neutral, calm WP:TONE - no exclamation points, unless used in a quote by a person, and even then, dubious.
 * The extensive table of products is out, unless each and every one can be proven to be notable with supporting citations in notable, reliable, verifiable 3rd party sources (not press release, blog, wiki, forum.) A short list of products is commonly acceptable, as examples of a broader product line, especially if notable (sports magazine, say).  Wikipedia is WP:NOT a product catalog.  A prose description of products in general is acceptable, this can include woods.
 * Other notable users (cited in WP:N notable, WP:RS reliable sources) would be better than the list of products.
 * "Making a cue" - rephrase "Manufacturing techniques", and keep descriptions brutally specific. This doesn't necessarily mean passive voice ("This is done, that is done"). There's no explanation for the reasons of the exotic woods, leading to the same voodoo effect as in high-end stereo system designs and descriptions. I don't see an easy way out, except delete anything that isn't strongly sourced (primary+3rd party).  If the manufacturing section has to go, it just has to go.
 * Notability means, how does this company relate to its community, its competitors, its customers, its owner's history, its field (competetive snooker/billiards), sponsorships, as reflected in newspapers, magazines, books?
 * Keep going, it's getting better. --Lexein (talk) 14:50, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Parris Cues (Revised- Admins please review)
Changed this 'adminhelp' to an unblock request for an admin to review it. Tdubell talk 21:13, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that changing it to an unblock was wise - this "article" is more proof of the spamminess of the original, IMHO. ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 09:21, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Admins, Please review below revised article and confirm suitability for entry.

How can I add company logo to infobox as my user is blocked?

About Parris Cues
Parris Cues are a cue maker headquartered in London, UK. Founded in 1984, the company was started by John Parris as an evolution of a keen interest in Snooker, and the need for maintenance and repair of his own cue.

Parris Cues products are exclusively produced at the company’s Forest Hill, London, UK workshop. The company sells its Cues worldwide to players of all cue sports, at every from the average man-on-the-street through to professional level.

John has worked with most of the top professional players, either making them new cues or re building and repairing much loved cues they have used for years.

The first notable major cue repair was performed in 1987, when Steve Davis‘s cue snapped at the ferrule, whilst playing in the Rothman’s Grand Prix. It was decided the best option for repair, whilst maintaining the cues balance, and therefore playability, was to extend the butt by the same length lost from the tip, but this meant sawing the most famous cue in snooker in two

Parris Cues are used by many of the world’s top professional players, past and present - Ronnie O’Sullivan, Jimmy White, Steve Davis, Stephen Hendry, John Higgins, Neil Robertson to mention a few.

Manufacturing Techniques
The shaft is the most important part of a cue, and should be produced from the highest quality straight grained mature Ash or Maple.

Once the shaft is selected and cut to length it should then be hand spliced. This involves hand planing, then inlaying a minimum of four separate splices of exotic timber (typically Ebony or Rosewood) for decoration.

Butts can also have inlayed decorative splices and veneers to give a cue individuality. A wide range of exotic and rare timbers are used for butt decoration, each because of their unique grain patterns and distinctive colourings.

Cues can be either one piece or jointed, Joints are often installed for practical reasons, as a jointed cue is easier to transport.

Cues are fitted with a brass ferrule to protect the top of the cue and give a good seating for the tip.

Finally the Cue goes through many different sanding operations, linseed oil is applied to the whole cue and the butt is burnished with wax. This finish is unique to a Parris cue and gives a very different feel to that of lacquered cues.

Note to Admins, book/pages referenced here [3] are specific to the Parris Cues process, they describe it in detail, with images of John Parris performing many of the processes.

An admin's take
From what I can see, the following is suitable, with all the inappropriate content removed:

Parris Cues are a snooker cue maker headquartered in London. Founded in 1984, the company was started by John Parris as an evolution of a keen interest in Snooker, and the need for maintenance and repair of his own cue.

Parris Cues products are exclusively produced at the company’s Forest Hill, London, UK workshop. The company sells its Cues worldwide to players of all cue sports. The first notable major cue repair was performed in 1987, when Steve Davis‘s cue snapped at the ferrule, whilst playing in the Rothman’s Grand Prix. It was decided the best option for repair, whilst maintaining the cues balance, and therefore playability, was to extend the butt by the same length lost from the tip, but this meant sawing the famous cue in snooker in two.

Parris Cues have been used by professional players including Ronnie O’Sullivan, Jimmy White, Steve Davis, Stephen Hendry, John Higgins, Neil Robertson.

Parris Cues
Parris Cues are a snooker cue maker headquartered in London. Founded in 1984, the company was started by John Parris as an evolution of a keen interest in Snooker, and the need for maintenance and repair of his own cue.

Parris Cues products are exclusively produced at the company’s Forest Hill, London, UK workshop. The company sells its Cues worldwide to players of all cue sports. The first notable major cue repair was performed in 1987, when Steve Davis‘s cue snapped at the ferrule, whilst playing in the Rothman’s Grand Prix. It was decided the best option for repair, whilst maintaining the cues balance, and therefore playability, was to extend the butt by the same length lost from the tip, but this meant sawing the famous cue in snooker in two.

Parris Cues have been used by professional players including Ronnie O’Sullivan, Jimmy White, Steve Davis, Stephen Hendry, John Higgins & Neil Robertson.

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