User talk:CdGr

Your username
Welcome to Wikipedia. I saw that you edited or created C. Paul Jennewein, and I noticed that your username, "GermanArtGallery", may not comply with our username policy. Please note that you may not use a username that represents the name of a company, group, organization, product, service, or website. Examples of usernames that are not allowed include "XYZ Company", "MyWidgetsUSA.com", and "Foobar Museum of Art". However, you are permitted to use a username that contains such a name if it identifies you individually (not your role), such as "Sara Smith at XYZ Company", "Mark at WidgetsUSA", or "FoobarFan87", but not "SEO Manager at XYZ Company".

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Guernica
The reason I removed most of the material regarding The Bombardment of Almeria is that, as far as I can tell, the connection between Claus Bergen's painting and Picasso's Guernica is conjectural. The Royal Musems Greenwich, which owns the painting, says here only that "it has been suggested that the Nazi leadership regarded the painting as a riposte to Picasso’s 'Guernica'", meaning that the theory has been proposed but that the matter is not settled. Certainly the style and content of Bergen's painting display no evidence that he had ever seen the Picasso work. The Marlies Schmidt dissertation you linked to as a source describes Bergen's painting without ever mentioning Picasso's Guernica. Much of what you wrote – about Hitler purchasing Bergen's painting, Britain seizing it and Germany requesting its return – is not relevant in an article about Guernica.

But rather than let your work go to waste, why not add it to Claus Bergen? Ewulp (talk) 00:20, 28 January 2024 (UTC)


 * OK, Thanks for your explanation. I will ad it then to the Claus Bergen page.
 * Question: do you agree if we (you or me) ad 1 sentence somewhere at the Guernica page, refering to 'assumble the counter-piece' at the Bergen page?
 * My problem is that I have spend in 12 years over 5000 hours research on Third Reich art, wrote 140 biographies of the relevant artists, build up a related private library for 50.000 euro, but that all still does not make me a professor or curator. So my discoveries take often more than 2 of 3 years before the press is wiling to pick it up. For example the Nazi past of Carl Paul Jennewein (Der Spiegel), the stolen Nazi tapestry by the Louvre (Figaro, Art News), the discovery of the Thorak horses (Bild Zeitung), the 4 life size Nazi status in the HQ of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Berlin (Bild), etc. See the Newsletters at www.germanartgallery.eu
 * And, by the way, the Maritime Museum did not have a clue about the past of the Bergen painting... Only wenn I showed them the documents from the Bundesarchiv AND the relevant photo from the Libarary of Congress, they were willing to ad information o there side, including the display at the Great German Art Exhibtions etc.. CdGr (talk) 12:51, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I put a paragraph in the Guernica article at the end of the Paris International Exhibition section that describes the Bergen painting and links to his article. Ewulp (talk) 09:10, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * excellent, thank you. CdGr (talk) 09:31, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry to bother you once more...
 * The official name is not ‘.…Bombarding the coast’, but ‘The Bombardement of Almeria by Admiral Scheer’.
 * a. I found in the Archives of the German ‘Zentral Institut für Kunstgeschichte’ in Munich, an original pre 1945 photo of this work, with the written text on it: ‘Grosse Deutche Kunstausstellung 1937, Beschiessung von Almeria durch Panzerschiff Admiral Scheer‘.
 * b. Also Claus Bergen calls it ‘Die Beschiessung Almerias durch Admiral Scheer‘ in ‘Claus Bergen, Leben und Werk’, by Bodo Herzog, Urbes Verlag, 1987, page 27.
 * Reason that National Maritime Museum gives it a different name, is a total and complete lack of research about Third Reich (just like The Met, Christies, Sotheby, etc). CdGr (talk) 10:56, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The title given by the museum that holds a painting can be thought of as the official title. In this case we also have sources for the historical title, including the Marlies Schmidt dissertation, so we can just as well use that. Ewulp (talk) 03:22, 30 January 2024 (UTC)