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North Carolina Project
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DYK for Hugh Waddell (general)
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DYK for Fort Dobbs (North Carolina)
Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for North Carolina Department of Cultural Resources
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:23, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

vR regiment
I thought it would be ok, at the bottome it says it can be used so long as it is non profit I aint looking to dispute it with you just Im new and that is what the cite says If I am wrong please let me know if you are sure I am JGVR (talk) 22:18, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi you were helping on the "Is it real" thread. I did a bit more work on the article Henry K. Van Rensselaer. It is only a starter but I think it has a bit more legs (no pun intended). I am hoping you might help make it look a bit more presentable. Were you able to confirm the true existence of said "roster"? If it does exit it presents a small problem. The presumed Captain wrote the name Col Kiliaen van Rensselaer. He was actually shot in Saratoga being an old timer may not have been at Fort Anne. All accounts say Henry Kiliaen van Rensselaer was shot....JGVR (talk) 21:21, 12 January 2013 (UTC) JGVR (talk) 21:23, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * JGVR, unfortunately I'm finding my time a little stretched thin right now between working on an article I have that's soon to be a featured article candidate, working on a good article nomination for a wikiproject i'm in, and uploading historic sites photos. I was hoping someone at WP:MILHIST could give you some advice.  My advice from before still stands.  Before you write more, look at a bunch of other similar Wikipedia articles.  Then, basically copy those articles' style and formatting, but put your own words into them.  That's the best way to start writing good articles.  Certain subjects that you've written about, however, are likely going to have trouble with WP:GNG because certain of the Van Rensselaer soldiers aren't notable enough to have their own individual articles.   Cdtew  (talk) 21:50, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

put the speedy deletion tag on Category:TusenFryd
Please, I dont want the category:Tusenfryd on wikipedia so please put a tag that it will be speedy deleted from wikipedia. Leave a message on my talk page. Starship9000 —Preceding undated comment added 17:25, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You should contact an administrator about this, as I don't deal with categories. Thanks!  Cdtew (talk) 20:51, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:Fort Dobbs Scale Model.jpg)
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 * I am attempting to confirm copyright status; if deleted I will only re-upload when I have that status confirmed. Thanks!  Cdtew  (come talk to me) 04:31, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated
Hi, I'm Nemesis63. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Chauvet Mağarası, and have un-reviewed it again. If you've got any questions, please ask me on my talk page. Thanks, Nemesis63

Raphael E. Freundlich
Hi. Just thought I would let you know that I removed both the autobiography and BLP sources tags from this article, as the subject is apparently deceased. --Drm310 (talk) 06:59, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Attack pages
Thanks for patrolling new pages. With attack pages, like a couple just now, it's probably best to tag them only with G10, even if other criteria like A7 also apply. That way (I believe) the system gives the attacker a more appropriate warning on the lines of uw-attack. (I have blocked that attacker as he persisted). Regards, JohnCD (talk) 15:02, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Fort Dobbs
Answering here because I just archived December: The time needed for promotion varies; I'm not involved in promotion at A-class since I review all of them. You're welcome, and I think GAN makes sense. - Dank (push to talk) 13:32, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm a little skeptical of some of the advice you're currently getting, although I need to look at the article more carefully to see if my skepticism is justified, when I can get to it. - Dank (push to talk) 01:21, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how to respond to some of them. I'm not really keen on taking much of the background info out, because the Anglo-Cherokee War article is relatively pitiful on its own.  I'd rather have a mini-explanation, rather than direct someone to get their background info in a less-than-polished article.   Cdtew  (talk) 16:18, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I've now responded fully, for your reviewing pleasure.  Cdtew  (talk) 18:33, 12 January 2013 (UTC))

Michael Croft
Hi Clark, on 30 December I contributed a new Wikipedia article on the late Michael Croft, founder and director of the National Youth Theatre of Great Britain. Within four minutes of my doing so you had slapped a "Multiple issues" – "footnotes", "refimprove" and "pov" – tag on it. As you know, this advises me either to "improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page." I therefore tried to explain the position and sought your advice there. That was over a week ago, so I thought it was time to bring it to your attention here as well! Peter Farey (talk) 10:42, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Peter, see my response on the talk page for that article. Apologies, as for some reason I wasn't watching that page.  Cdtew  (talk) 14:13, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Clark. No harm done! Peter Farey (talk) 16:00, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to WP:NRHP
Welcome to WP:NRHP. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me, or better yet ask at WT:NRHP. I noticed that you wrote about a site in Iredell County, so I separated out all the sites there that need photos - see Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Iredell County, North Carolina. Hope this helps. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 19:19, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I have added plenty that I went out and shot today. I'll make it a goal to get as many as I can.  Thanks!  Cdtew  (talk) 23:21, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks good. I added the Bethany Church pic to the Ebenezer Academy, Bethany Presbyterian Church and Cemetery article. I was a bit surprised at first, but I think this makes sense.   Keep up the good work.  Smallbones( smalltalk ) 23:24, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * There's another issue I'm trying to solve. Two homes which are definitely listed on the NRHP in Mooresville aren't present on this list.  I'll try and dig them up and add them.  I hate the NRHP's website.  Makes me want to choke myself out.  Cdtew  (talk) 23:28, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've tried to do some research on NRHP stuff in the past, also. Their site is pretty difficult sometimes. Lots of other Wikipedians have made it easier though. The NRHP wikiproject has resources that help (their FAQ is helpful too). One thing to watch out for is that some places say they are on the NRHP even though they merely exist in an NRHP historic district or they've been de-listed for whatever reason at sometime. I have seen those things happen sometimes. But if they truly are, then I'll try to help you find them as well. What is missing? -- JoannaSerah (talk) 00:01, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Joanna, thanks for swooping in to help again! The two properties that I think are missing are located next to each other, one on Wilson Ave, the other on Academy St. in Mooresville (they occupy the same corner at the intersection of those two streets. Off-hand, I don't know the addresses, but I could dig up GPS coordinates.  The only reason I believe they're on the register currently is because I've seen them on a map of NRHP-listed places in Mooresville that was provided by a consulting firm for the town. Thanks for the help with my userpage, by the way!   Cdtew  (talk) 00:05, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The house on Academy Street is at Lat 35.579801 Lon -80.819563, whilst the house on Wilson Ave is Lat 35.580141 Lon -80.819890. If you're looking at Google Maps in default orientation, Academy and West Wilson form an "X", and the houses are in the top "quadrant" of the "X" (rather than left, right, or bottom).   Cdtew  (talk) 00:12, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Hmm...Interesting. I'll keep looking, but haven't found anything on those properties yet regarding NRHP. Doesn't yet appear that they were on it and de-listed either. Only have found some mentions of local historic notice, not NRHP. Maybe they are currently in the nomination process possibly? Do the properties have names/titles of any kind that you know of? Might want to take to the project talk page as well. Thank you. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 02:04, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

edit at MiltHist contest
That's strange, I don't recall making that edit. It's possible I accidentally clicked the rollback button on my watchlist (the page is on my watchlist) and didn't notice. My sincere apologies. Volunteer Marek 15:24, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
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DYK for James Hogun
KTC (talk) 08:02, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXXII, January 2013
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James Innes
I've begun the GA review for James Innes; it looks strong overall, but there are some areas that need to be addressed. Check out the review for details, and thanks for your contributions! -- Khazar2 (talk) 16:43, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * My first barnstar! Thank you for your help and edits!  Also, sorry for the spelling issues; I'm trying to learn how to edit with my ipad, and autocorrect and I don't always see eye to eye.  Cdtew  (talk) 04:49, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Ha, not a problem at all. Believe me, I've reviewed--and submitted for review--much worse. =) -- Khazar2 (talk) 04:55, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

military history classes
Regarding this, it's displaying as Start because C class criteria at WikiProject Military history/Assessment are "B1 or B2 as well as B3 and B4 and B5", and B4 is failed there. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 07:31, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Requesting a favour
There's a really backlogged MILHIST DYK (dating from November!) that still needs to be reviewed - Template:Did you know nominations/Bruce Cooper. Would you be willing to do a review so that we can get it out of the way? Prioryman (talk) 20:20, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll have a peek right now.  Cdtew  (talk) 20:27, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much! Prioryman (talk) 21:05, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

American Revolutionary War Bios

 * Thank you very much! I will be moving beyond North Carolina next, I've just stuck with it for now because its what I have the most sources at hand for.  Thank you again!  Cdtew  (talk) 05:17, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK review.
Hello, Cdtew! I was just wondering if you had a few moments to review a DYK? nomination: Template:Did you know nominations/Martha B. Alexander I had posted the nomination a while back, but no one has reviewed it yet. Don't know if that means it just wasn't that interesting a factoid or what. Maybe too much time has passed since it was nominated now, I don't know. Anyway, if you get a chance, could you take a look at it. Thank you. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 21:14, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Done! Thanks for bringing that to my attention; always glad to help!   Cdtew  (talk) 21:53, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Saw your request at the WPNC talk page about Fort Dobbs and will see what I can do about that. Not sure that I should really do a review since I did contribute a tiny bit to it, but will look over FA guidelines and see. Not done a FAC review before. Anyway, good luck. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 16:27, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Hate to bother you again, but have another that no one seems interested in reviewing, it appears. Please see Template:Did you know nominations/Charles W. Albertson. Next time, I may just ask for help at the NC project talk page instead. Thank you for your help. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 20:23, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd be glad to help, and am always happy to do so -- feel free to ask here first, as I'll likely pick it up off the WP:NC page anyways. I, too, have two that are hanging around at Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas Polk and Template:Did you know nominations/John Hamilton (American Revolution).   Cdtew  (talk) 20:55, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Will look into those. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 21:15, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for John Butler (general)
Lord Roem ~ (talk) 08:03, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination
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Congratulations!

 * ...and my personal congrats on a very strong debut -- keep up the great work! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 23:59, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I thought I had it in the bag until Sturm came along with three "sleepers" at the last moment. Oh well - still a lot of fun!  Cdtew  (talk) 01:35, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Heh, no shame there -- Storm and Parsecboy have a bit of a mortgage on this thing so often the real contest is to see who comes second (which you managed resoundingly here!) but it is, as you say, still good fun... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 02:49, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * And gratz on the FA as well, you're on a roll! - Dank (push to talk) 17:38, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! Hopefully I'll be able to continue the productivity.  I've taken a small break, but plan to get back into action this weekend.  Thanks for all of your help, Dank!  Cdtew  (talk) 18:05, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for David Fanning (loyalist)
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Fanning piece
Hello, just wanted to say that that was nice work on the David Fanning (loyalist) piece. I enjoyed reading it. Cheers, MarmadukePercy (talk) 07:48, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! I enjoyed researching him, and once I'm done with getting NC's Continental Army Generals to GA, I plan on going back to Fanning (and some of the other notorious Tories) and improving them further.  Fanning was a fascinating guy!  If you're interested, his diametrical opposite was John Hamilton (American Revolution), an affable, social fellow who was known more for his dinner parties than his cruelty.  Cdtew  (talk) 14:54, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads-up on John Hamilton. I'll have a look. I've done some work on the Battle of Guilford Courthouse, on King's Mountain, and role of the Overmountain Men and on Joseph Martin (general) who was a real piece of work himself. Anyways, nice work on Fanning. Cheers, MarmadukePercy (talk) 03:04, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * That is amazing work; it's a fascinating-looking article, and I can't wait to read it. Out of curiosity, I noticed you didn't have an Infobox.  Is that personal preference, or just an omission of necessity?  I am a slave to putting Infoboxes in my article, but I rather like the look of Joseph Martin without an infobox.   Cdtew  (talk) 03:08, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. He was a pretty fascinating guy. As for infoboxes, I guess it's a matter of personal preference. Generally, for reasons I can't explain, I like infoboxes on most pieces, but when it comes to biographies, I find them distracting. I've tried it both ways, and I have no objection to others using them. I guess when it comes to one man, or one woman, I generally like to see the page without distractions. Just personal preference. Best wishes, MarmadukePercy (talk) 03:26, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

tb
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DYK for Thomas Polk
Carabinieri (talk) 08:02, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Re:WP:CHARLOTTE
Sure, I'd be more than happy to - I'm not a Charlottean (I live about an hour or two away) or a huge editor outside of my music/sports/football scope, but I want to work on Carolina Panthers related articles, which are obviously within that scope. I didn't even know the Project existed, so getting the word out would be key to any building effort. Toa  Nidhiki05  23:19, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Main page appearance: Fort Dobbs (North Carolina)
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Fort Dobbs was an 18th-century fort in the Yadkin–Pee Dee River Basin region of the Province of North Carolina, near what is now Statesville in Iredell County. Used for frontier defense during and after the French and Indian War, the fort was built to protect the British settlers of the western portion of what was then Rowan County from Cherokee, Catawba, Shawnee, Delaware and French raids into North Carolina. The fort's name honored Arthur Dobbs, the colonial Governor of North Carolina from 1754 to 1765. When in use, it was the only fort on the frontier between South Carolina and Virginia. On February 27, 1760, the fort was the site of an engagement between Cherokee warriors and provincial militia that ended in a victory for the militia. Fort Dobbs was abandoned after 1766, but archaeological work in the 20th century and historical research in 2005 and 2006 led to the discovery of the fort's exact location and probable appearance. The site on which the fort sat is now operated by North Carolina's Division of State Historic Sites and Properties as Fort Dobbs State Historic Site, and supporters of the site have developed plans for the fort's reconstruction. UcuchaBot (talk) 23:01, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for John Hamilton (American Revolution)
Gatoclass 15:35, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Good job on the James Moore article
I created that one a few years ago, and ran myself out of the source material I could find at the time; I had forgotten about it for some time. Good job on your recent work on it! -- Jayron  32  23:48, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I appreciate your earlier work, and for some reason I didn't think to contact you when I was reworking it. I am trying to standardize the format for NC's generals, as I am planning on creating a featured topic; I'd like to get this one and Robert Howe's articles to FAC, so any suggestions or help you may have, feel free!  Thanks again.  Cdtew  (talk) 23:51, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

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William Coleman (editor)
Hey there, was curious why you removed the photo in this edit.. cheers.--Milowent • hasspoken 23:02, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, i see on comments you are saying it may not be him? I will review what you found.--Milowent • hasspoken  23:05, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are clearly right. Excellent catch.--Milowent • hasspoken  23:20, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

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Precious
  images of North Carolina

Thank you for quality articles for project North Carolina, covering places such as Fort Dobbs (North Carolina), with a focus on history and people, illustrated with your images, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 27 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Many thanks! I enjoy contributing what I can!  Cdtew  (talk) 19:58, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Fort Dobbs (North Carolina) and Fort Loudon
When it is clear on a quick scan that a government built the fort I do place it in the government built category in addition to the infrastructure category. If you read the infrastructure article, which some editors disagree with, infrastructure is more then physical infrastructure which is what I believe a lot of editors limit infrastructure to. That article says, In military parlance, the term refers to the buildings and permanent installations necessary for the support, redeployment, and operation of military forces. This pretty much covers forts. I would not have a problem with something like Category:Military structures completed in yyyy if there are a sufficient number of military structures completed in individual years. From going through many of these by year categories, I'm not sure that is the case. There are probably more articles post 16th century on armories then forts. There are also some others around like arsenals. This lack of articles could well be due to many buildings not be listed in any year category. Sub categorizing those has been a big task. But when you look, there are huge numbers of building not classified in that tree, even when the build date is known. One other consideration. Modern military facilities tend to be opened in some year and are then expanded over time. So for many of these something like Category:Military structures opened in yyyy could be a better choice. If Category:Military structures completed in yyyy is also kept, that would probably be the parent category. As a side note, some editors prefer that buildings be placed directly in a category that includes the word building with that category in turn being placed in the infrastructure category. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:09, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

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Thomas Polk
Nice work on Thomas Polk. I just added a picture of some reinactors firing a gun salute at his grave. I have some more things I might add, but nice work! Do you live here in Charlotte? Eric Cable |  Talk  18:21, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Many thanks for your support!  Cdtew  (talk) 06:24, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

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Adminship
Have you thought about adminship Cdtew? Mkdw talk 05:25, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I hadn't really thought much about it; my concerns are: 1) I prefer content work, and I'm not sure how well that meshes with adminship; 2) I have been on here since 2009, but took a break between 2011 and mid-2012, so I'm still theoretically new; 3) My work schedule can sometimes be hectic (lawyer) and I'm not always able to promptly respond to people on here. With that being said, what are your thoughts?   Cdtew  (talk) 13:29, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

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I appreciate your efforts to help the project curator; however, note that he has said "I chose the account name so that whoever comes after me can use the account". Since you work right next door to the library, you might want to stop by and explain to him why that's not a good idea. DS (talk) 00:50, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I have given him a call. Clearly he'll need to get an individual username. Sorry for bothering you about it, but I didn't know his intentions.  Cdtew  (talk) 00:52, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

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WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tadeusz Kościuszko
Thanks for your comments; I replied there. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 18:10, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXXVII, June 2013
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June 2013 backlog reduction drive

 * Many thanks! I wish I could have done more, but real life got in the way.   Cdtew  (talk) 12:54, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Casimir Pulaski
How are we doing? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 12:52, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I've had a hectic week at work when I got back from my vacation. I'll wrap up my review today.   Cdtew  (talk) 14:30, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXXVIII, July 2013
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Talkback
I have adressed your concerns. Do you think I could nominate Fishing Creek Confederacy for FA. King Jakob  C2 23:20, 28 July 2013 (UTC)