User talk:Cecropia/Archive 11

Yellow ribbon
I removed the reference about the song being altered for use in military cadence to avoid copyright infringement, because it didn't make any sense to me. But as you are the author of that part, and a military veteran, I thought I should ask you about it. A good article, by the way.--Pharos 13:26, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Happy New Year
Hi there Cecropia, I hope you had lovely holidays. Someone asked me about my licensing preferences and explained that I was among the 1000 most frequent editors. I feel a bit ashamed given that I should use all that time for finally getting done with my studies, but I could not refrain from checking whether you belong to the dirty thousand, too. And yes, I found you, just wondered why the better part of your contribution was not done in the main space? Take care and I hope one day you and your country will Get-back-world-respect 16:46, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC) 8^p PS: An email from John Kerry made me decide to include the open letter section into the main part of my website. Please check in case you are interested.


 * Thanks for your reply, and greetings to your treehugging family 8^p
 * I was in Cuba for Christmas, so I did not have a tree - except for a blinking plastic one the family I stayed with got from expatriates in Spain. But I did have about 25°C more than I usually have for Christmas, and I prefer Latino rhythms to German Christmas music.
 * I have already passed all exams, the final one was about law because I thought with war criminals in the government of many western countries I should find out how to reach more justice. Only the thesis is left over. I am planning to write about international trade in services.
 * Now I understand, main namespace does not include talk pages, right? Get-back-world-respect 11:13, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Blocks
Since you're active, could you please unblock the users whose blocks have expired? The ipblocklist includes dozens of users with an expiry time that's long past. 217.85.218.250 00:43, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * Hello? 217.85.218.250 01:26, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism
You are entitled to disagree with my edits and to not be persuaded by the arguments I put in edit summaries, but I did not vandalise Template:In the news and do not appreciate being accused of doing so. Neither do I appreciate being threatened with a block. If you want to discuss what should be on that template (ie template policy), my understanding is that you should do so on the template's talk page rather than impose your views on others by threatening to ban those you disagree with.

Having read the comments others have made on the template's talk page, I'm sure you will have reflected on your approach. I look forward to receiving an apology for your hasty accusations, and hope we can move on from this quickly. Kind regards, jguk 13:18, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the apology. All the best, jguk 19:36, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Childlove -- attempting to put the full story into the article
Thought you might like to take a look and help improve it. Thanks 64.160.45.176 22:26, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

About my edit

Clinton was a jerk, too. That doesn't change the facts. My edit should stay.

Thanks for the Bedford-Stuyvesant work!
Hi. Thanks for fleshing out my Bedford-Stuyvesant stub. Excellent work! --RoySmith 13:54, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Adminship
Thanks for the kind words, I'm glad to be aboard. - Vague | Rant 07:20, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)

Sorry - looks like it was a newbie mistake by me (didn't notice the reversion of Dbiv's own mistake here. Trödel 18:04, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

subway map
I was somewhat torn on the ex-LIRR Rockaway Line, but decided that I'd show it under the division it was taken into. Though, thinking about it a bit more, I think I will make it black. I'm doing the same for the Dyre Ave line. Same for the Fulton Street Line east of Rockaway Ave (with the ex-BMT part yellow). And the IND Queens Blvd east of 169th.

By the way, I'm currently working on a map of the IND Second System, as well as more details for that article. --SPUI 20:40, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I just uploaded a new version of Image:NYC subway origins.png - can you take a look and make sure it's all good? --SPUI 21:32, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I'm using Macromedia Freehand (similar to Illustrator), tracing the lines on USGS topos. I just incorporated the changes you suggested; the new version is up. As for details, this map is intended to be a general map - I may do a more detailed one (sort of like Image:SEPTA map.png) if I have the inclination, though I'll have to figure out how to show downtown legibly while keeping a decent size. --SPUI 22:06, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Eighth Avenue Line
Are you sure that the north end of the A-C is called the Washington Heights Line? A Google search for that name gives three results, one of which is Wikipedia. Other sources seem to indicate the 8th Ave going all the way to 207th. --SPUI 19:26, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I have the same question about the Houston Street Line - is it possibly part of the Sixth Avenue Line? The one seems a bit sketchier though. --SPUI 19:38, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * By the way, it looks like the official name is Concourse Line. --SPUI 19:40, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

OK, so to enumerate the IND system:
 * Bronx
 * Concourse Line - 205th to Manhattan
 * Queens
 * Archer Avenue Line - jct with Queens Blvd. Line east to Jamaica Center
 * 63rd Street Line - jct Queens Blvd. Line west to Manhattan
 * Queens Boulevard Line - 179th to Manhattan
 * Crosstown Line - Queens Plaza to Brooklyn
 * Fulton Street Line - Brooklyn to Jamaica Center Lefferts Blvd.
 * Rockaway Line - Rockaway Blvd to Mott Ave/Beeach 116th (are there separate names for the splits?) the splits are called Far Rockaway Branch and Rockaway Park Branch
 * Manhattan
 * Washington Heights Line - 207th to 145th
 * Concourse Line - Bronx to 145th
 * Eighth Avenue Line - 145th to Brooklyn
 * 63rd Street Line - Queens to 57th-6th and 57th-7th
 * 53rd Street Line - Queens to 8th-53rd
 * Sixth Avenue Line - 8th-53rd to 6th-Houston
 * Houston Street Line - 6th-Houston to Brooklyn
 * Brooklyn
 * Crosstown Line - Queens to Smith-Schermerhorn
 * Fulton Street Line - Court to Jamaica Center Queens
 * Smith Street Line? - Manhattan? to Ditmas ''This line is a little problematic. It has been called the Smith Street Line, but the name used consistently in maps and signage was "Brooklyn Line." (The R1/9 destinations said "Brooklyn-Smith-9th Sts." and "Brooklyn-Church Avenue). Then in 1954 it whole line was shown as the "Coney Island Line" on Hagstrom Maps (more definitive on those nit-picks than most. Lately though, the TA has taken to calling the entire line "Culver Line." For example, the 2000-2004 line item budget shows Church/MacDonald station as being CUL (Culver). I would still call it "Brooklyn Line" but MTA seems to think different.

Do the A-C and F north of Smith-Schermerhorn have separate names? Is the rest of the list correct? --SPUI 20:36, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * I'll try to look into the A/C/F north of Jay Street -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 21:46, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Image:NYC subway origins.png now includes line names - are there any I've gotten wrong? --SPUI 23:45, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for the info. How sure are you about the 60th Street Tunnel Connection name? The only google results are Wikipedia clones. As for key junctions, I'll probably save that for a different map; this one is getting rather cluttered. The routes can already be followed (except for locating their termini) with the line descriptions at New York Subway; I'll probably make another map with only the routes and terminal stations. --SPUI 01:12, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Subway map
I managed to fit all the current services on Image:NYC subway origins.png while keeping it legible. --SPUI 03:48, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

IND Second System
The chart is from September 16, 1929. Please, if you have official names for the lines, add them in. --SPUI 05:27, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Re:Nomination congrats
Thank you. I will do my best to wield my new power responsibly and to the best of my abilities. I don't intend to use mot of it right now :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:24, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

42nd Street Shuttle
I put it at S 42nd (New York Subway) because none of the other routes (except the other shuttles) have anything other than the number/letter and (New York Subway), and 42nd is enough to disambiguate it. I have no real problems with the move, except that I think it should be at S 42nd Street Shuttle (New York Subway). The official map, and probably the schedules, never use suffixes on the numbered streets, but all the articles here do, as does common usage (you say "forty-second street", not "forty-two street"). --SPUI 23:32, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * There's been quite a bit of discussion about how to name subway-related things on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New York City. We "decided" (whatever that means in an anarchy) that we would use the suffix (i.e. 42nd instead of 42) in article titles.  You might want to read-up on the discussion that led up to that and contribute any ideas you may have. --RoySmith 23:44, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * Sure, 42nd Street Shuttle is fine with me. "S" is obviously a special case, since there are three different "S" services, none of which have anything in operationally, historically, or physically in common except that they are shuttles. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 00:37, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

NYC Subway Table
Hey, I really wanted to thank you for cleaning up the table, however I have a few concerns, namely I feel that the table is WAY TOO BIG now as it stands. Do you have any ideas how we can reduce the amount of space it takes up? I tried deleting the space in between all of the different routes, but that makes the information kind of clunky looking. But I really think something has to be done. Thanks! Páll 22:38, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

53rd Street Line
Unfortunately, the reference to the 53rd street line doesn't use a standard code; it could be that the whole thing is QBL but the Manhattan part is colloquially the 53rd Street Line. I've found several clear mentions of QBL going through Lexington and the 53rd Street Tube, which is the same section labeled as '53 St Ln'. Note that the same document uses 'Smith St Ln' on the next row, which we've determined is now CUL. It also refers to the 'Prospect Pk Line' - that looks like yet another name for part of CUL. It may be that whoever put together that table was using older documents. --SPUI 02:49, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * "Prospect Park Line" referred to the currently non-revenue express tracks that take a shortcut under the NW part of Prospect Park. Does it seem like that's the area they're talking about? I agree with you on 53rd, barring clearer evidence.

By the way, do you know of any name for the East River tunnel on the Canarsie Line? --SPUI 02:57, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * Believe it or not: "14th Street Tunnel." Not very imaginative, huh? Originally, the lines that now constitute the Canarsie Line were (Manhattan) the 14th Street Line (Brooklyn) the Eastern District Line ("Eastern District" is what Brooklyn City called Williamsburg after they took it over) up to Broadway Junction, and then Canarsie Line. BTW, are you aware that all the stations at Broadway Junction are now called "Broadway Junction," even the IND? They're actually changing the tiles in what was B'way-ENY to read Broadway Junction. Yet you will find references to the older station names in some recent MTA documents. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 06:27, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

L (New York Subway)
I've put at the top what I think should be on the L page, with everything else on Canarsie Line. --SPUI 06:44, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

LIRR connection
Sorry about that - I had made a logical leap that was apparently false. Can you change that part to what actually happened? By the way, what do you mean by "a branch near the Canarsie Line to serve new industrial buildings"? The LIRR Bay Ridge Branch is from the time of the original Canarsie Line; a railroad ran from Bay Ridge to the Canarsie Line at New Lots, and needed somewhere to go once the line was elevated. The bottom of has the information on that. Do you know why the connection was built c. 1970? --SPUI 09:38, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Liberty Ave El
According to, the Liberty Ave El went west to the Canarsie Line. I'm partially changing Canarsie Line back to reflect that. Oh, and I would definitely get a copy of the track map book if I was in the NYC area. But I'm in Orlando for now, and I'll make do with the older track maps on nycsubway.org. --SPUI 18:35, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)