User talk:CeeGee/ArchiveUpTo20091226

İETT
I live in İstanbul. I know İETT.--Nemera (talk) 19:48, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Category:Ottoman crime victims
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Hello! there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible.

DYK Nom for Turkish Airlines Flight 634
Hi. I've nominated Turkish Airlines Flight 634, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Did you know. You can see the hook for the article here, where you can improve it if you see fit. Thanks, Mjroots (talk) 08:13, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Turkish Airlines Flight 634
- Dravecky (talk) 11:23, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Cat name correction
No problem I though it was the easiest way to correct it, the old cat can get deleted eventually. The Boeing 767 is also wrong! I think the aircraft type accident cats could be useful to find related articles. MilborneOne (talk) 16:28, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikiwings
I've noticed your ongoing efforts, and they're appreciated, so I present you with these, the official award of the WikiProject.

Speedy deletion of Category:Companies based in Izmir
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Category:Economy of Izmir
I notice that this category you created is unpopulated (empty). In other words, no Wikipedia pages belong to it. If it remains unpopulated for four days, it may be deleted, without discussion, in accordance with Criteria for speedy deletion. I'm notifying you in case you wish to (re-)populate it by adding to articles/categories that belong in it.

I blanked the category page. This will not, in itself, cause the category to be deleted. It serves to document (in the page history) that the category was empty at the time of blanking and also to alert other watchers that the category is in jeopardy. You are welcome to revert the blanking if you wish. However, doing so will not prevent deletion if the category remains empty.

If you created the category in error, or it is no longer needed, you can speed up the deletion process by tagging it with db-author.

--Stepheng3 (talk) 21:36, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Raymond Charles Père
Shubinator (talk) 01:52, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Döner
Abiciğim bir ara vaktin olduğunda, Döner makalesine bir bakabilir misin? Avruplalılarla çılgın bir savaşa girdim tek başıma, adamlar diyo "Döner bizim, Almanya'da bulunmuştur", of of ne yapabilirim?.. --85.99.4.180 (talk) 02:39, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Copyright concerns, École Normale de Musique de Paris
Hi. You seem to have introduced significant content pasted from this source to the article École Normale de Musique de Paris in April 2005. [Archives confirm that this material was published there before it was published here. The article will need to be revised or deleted unless we are able to verify permission from the copyright holder in accordance with policy at [[Wikipedia:C#Using copyrighted work from others]] or unless it can otherwise be demonstrated that for some reason this text is free for use. This was obviously quite some time ago, so I don't doubt that you are aware at this point that contributors may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases, unless those external sites are public domain or licensed compatibly with GFDL, or unless the use of non-free material from those sites conforms to our non-free content guidelines. The article is listed at Copyright problems/2009 March 5 and will be revisited on or about March 12th. I have watchlisted your talk page as well as the article in question in case you would like to discuss the matter. Thanks. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:30, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, I am now somewhat afraid that perhaps you don't. I've had a look at your article on Raymond Charles Père, and I see that you have closely paraphrased quite a bit of that, including directly copying enough sentences and phrases from the source to represent a substantial copyright infringement concern. First instance, you wrote:

Raymond Charles Père was also a very multi-faceted artist. He made pencil drawings of the buildings belonging to the French Catholic mission in Izmir and its environs, as well as undertaking the restoration of the Church of St. Polycarpe in Izmir and making the frescoes that adorn its interior. When depicting Izmir’s most well-known guardian saint being slain by the Romans in the ancient stadium at Pagos (today's Kadifekale) in a fresco dated 1895 and known as "The Martyrdom of St. Polycarpe", Père included himself helplessly looking on with his hands bound at the proceedings. Similarly, in a scene of "Saint Anne and the infant Mary" on a side wall...


 * The source says:

But Raymond Charles Péré...was also a very multi-faceted and creative man. ....he also made pencil drawings of the buildings belonging to the French Catholic mission in Izmir and its environs, as well as undertaking the restoration of the city’s Church of St. Polycarpe and making the frescoes that adorn its interior. ...When depicting Izmir’s most well-known guardian saint being slain by the Romans in the ancient stadium at Kadifekale in a fresco known as ‘The Martyrdom of St. Polycarpe’, dated 1895 and located in the vault that covers the central nave, Péré painted himself helplessly looking on at the proceedings with his hands bound. Similarly, in a scene of ‘Saint Anne and the infant Mary’ on a side wall...


 * In order to avoid copyright infringement, text must be completely rewritten or used in accordance with our non-free content guidelines. This article is going to have to be revised to comply, unless you are able to verify permission from the source, which plainly reserves copyright: "Turkish Airlines Copyright © 1996 - 2009." --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:51, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Paraphrasing
Hi. Thanks for beginning the process of cleaning École Normale de Musique de Paris. There are a few passages in your temporary version that remain too close to the original source. For example, the source says, "Its concert hall, the Salle Cortot, is an "Art Deco" masterpiece designed by the architect Auguste Perret...." Your revised article says, "Its concert hall, an "Art Deco" masterpiece designed by the architect Auguste Perret...." The creative use of language there is owned by the copyright holder. We can't reproduce it without his or her permission unless we do it in accordance with our non-free content guidelines for text: with quotation marks and attribution. So we could say: According to the school's official site, the concert hall which was designed for the school by architect Auguste Perret is "an Art Deco masterpiece."(citation) Alternatively, we could say: Renowned architect Auguste Perret designed the concert hall for the school in the Art Deco style. But we can't use their language or their point of view without specifically noting that we have done so.

Also in need of further revision is the passage that reads "institution’s world wide reputation for the high quality of its music education". The source says "the institution has enjoyed a world-wide reputation for the quality of its music instruction". Your revision of this text to add "high" and change "instruction" to "education" is insufficient to eradicate copyright concerns. (In addition, the text is not neutral and, since it is drawn from the school's own website, not reliable. They are grading their own performance, which is not permitted under our policies.)

When creating a usable paraphrase of an external source, it's a good idea to read it over completely, put it aside, and then write a summary in your own language. Comparison of the two may sometimes show that you have inadvertently followed too closely, but it's less likely to be a problem than if you're trying to revise sentence by sentence. Sometimes sentences are especially hard to revise; I usually try to imagine how such a sentence could be turned around. But not exactly as you did here: "Among many other celebrities graduated from the institution are well-known concertists and composers as Dinu Lipatti, Samson François and Igor Markevitch." The source says It also trained a number of well known concertists and composers. Dinu Lipatti, Samson François, Igor Markevitch...among many other celebrities studied in the Belle Epoque architectural environment of this Parisian temple of classical music. (I've bolded the duplicated runs of text to make the problem more apparent.) A usable paraphrase of that might be: Prominent graduates from the school have included Dinu Lipatti, Samson François and Igor Markevitch. The names are not copyrightable, the fact that they graduated from the school is not copyrightable, but the language used to describe them is.

I imagine that most Wikipedians who have contributed extensive text have on one or two occasions inadvertently followed too closely to an original source. Although Wikipedia does not encourage "fair use" claims for text, since our purpose is to allow the material to be modified and freely reprinted, even commercially, such accidents, if minimal, are not likely to be a problem. If close paraphrasing is noted in a phrase or sentence, it can simply be revised or removed. A real problem arises when there is a pattern within articles or across articles. For example, the article I noted above, Raymond Charles Père, is not a straightforward copyright infringement as with the school article, where the entire thing is copied from another source, but it is still a copyright concern under US law. I have a more expanded explanation of why on my user page at User:Moonriddengirl, where there are also some links to US law and to documents explaining in more detail. We also have a user essay which addresses it at Close paraphrasing, and the matter is briefly discussed in our FAQ at FAQ/Copyright.

Given the state of Raymond Charles Père, I believe that we may need to evaluate some of your other contributions, to be sure that these do not inadvertently infringe on copyrighted sources by close paraphrasing. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:34, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * P.S. I know this is a lot to process at once. If any of it is unclear, please let me know, and I'll try to clarify. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:48, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Certainly; I appreciate your addressing it. Do you plan to revise the material in Raymond Charles Père as well? Can you think of any other articles that may present an issue? (I should also note, since you often work from Turkish sources, that direct translations are also a copyright problem under US law. I will be utterly useless, though, in helping determine if additional work is needed in any of those sources. I've been to Turkey—beautiful place—but I'm afraid that my Turkish is non-existent. :)) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:37, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * With Talk:Raymond Charles Père/Temp, it's overall nicely rewritten, but I wanted to talk to you about one problematic passage. I could revise it myself, but honestly my hope is to enable you to continue with your great content contributions to Wikipedia while making sure that these don't constitute copyright problems. The passage is:

He made pencil drawings of the buildings belonging to the French Catholic mission in Izmir and its surroundings, undertook the restoration of the Church of St. Polycarpe in Izmir and made its interior wall paintings (frescoes).
 * The original is:

he also made pencil drawings of the buildings belonging to the French Catholic mission in Izmir and its environs, as well as undertaking the restoration of the city’s Church of St. Polycarpe and making the frescoes that adorn its interior.
 * The beginning part of this passage remains a particular concern; seeing them side-by-side, I would imagine that it's easier to see that you have a run of 16 words copied directly from the source as well as "close paraphrasing" that results from replacing a word (environs) with a synonym.


 * One way that you might judge for yourself whether you are too closely following is to ask yourself if somebody unfamiliar with either article might look at the text and reasonably assume that you have copied it. Of course, we acknowledge our sources on Wikipedia, so we're not trying to hide where we got stuff. :) But if a reader could look at your text and assume that you could have gotten your facts from any article on Père, then you've probably separated enough, at least as far as language is concerned.


 * But copyright also covers selection and arrangement of facts. If the facts are straightforward and don't show creativity (example: he was born; he married; he painted this; he died), then you're probably safe with a similar structure. If they do, you may either need to rearrange or attribute (example: he was a multifaceted man: he made pencil drawings, he restored the church, he painted frescoes). In the first example, you'd be dealing with a chronological arrangement of bald facts. In the second example, you are dealing with specific accomplishments selected to prove the author's point. The author has chosen these out of Père's many accomplishments because he felt they were best at proving his point. In that case, though you may summarize, you should also attribute. You might write something like this:

Profiling Père for Skylife, Cenk Berkant pointed out the artist's diversity, noting his pencil drawings of the area including the French Catholic mission in Izmir, his work on restoring Izmir's Church of St. Polycarpe and his painting of the frescoes that adorned its interior walls. (inline citation)
 * Even if we attribute, we can't use the artist's original language unless we put it in quotation marks, but attributing allows us to use creatively chosen examples as the author gave them. Like everything, though, we have to use that in moderation. I wouldn't use more than one or two such passages from a source in a moderately sized article; with multiple sources, I would still keep it down.


 * Another really valuable tool to help with avoiding this kind of infringement is the use of multiple sources. A google search of Pere's name turns up some possibilities, though it's a bit of a pain wading through them looking for reliable sources. I would imagine given that you speak Turkish, you'd have much better luck than I. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:47, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * No worries. I won't delete it. It doesn't come "due" for closure for a few days, and when it does it will be no problem to postpone it to give you time to address these issues. I don't want to see good content lost from the encyclopedia either. :) And I know that US copyright laws are ridiculously complex. I have no idea what they're like in Turkey, but I've been working with US copyright issues in one field or another for a long time, and I'm constantly learning more! --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:00, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * That one should be fine; thank you. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:02, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * And I thank you for being gracious under the circumstances. Sometimes people are not so understanding with the bearer of bad news. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:16, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Ayşe Nur Zarakolu
Thanks for your work there! I tried copying some of the Turkish names from other articles on Wikipedia, but my eyes (uneducated in Turkish alphabet) didn't even detect that it wasn't an "i" in Sarısözen. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:52, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Speakers of the National Assembly of Turkey
I have registered that several dates when the Speakers left office does not correspond with the dates mentioned on Rulers.org. Several acting speakers have also been omitted. I guess that your source is the website of the National Assembly of Turkey. Which source is correct? I would like to know!

Best wishes!

Mbakkel2 19.03 2008. 06:30 (CEST)

B class criteria
To improve this article Otoyol 2, here are some guidelines for the B class criteria for road articles. SriMesh | talk  01:36, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

An Invite to join the International Roads WikiProject
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Cities, towns and villages in Turkey
Hi Cee Gee!. I don't want to touch Category:Cities in Turkey but I was wondering what you would think of new additional categories linking cities, towns and villages together by province e.g Category:Cities, towns and villages in Afyonkarahisar Province. This follows the convention with other sub categories on wikipedia on settlements. At present there is a great deal of inconsistency and many towns aren't categorised in a settlement category etc or are combined with districts etc. What would you say to a reorder of the towns and villages by province. This of course won't affect the main cities category although they can also have the provincial category added to them. What do you think? Something needs to be done towards splitting, I will be willing to create these categories and working towards ordering by province. I won't touch Category:Cities in Turkey but I can add additional provincial categories to them to organise newly by province. What do you think? Dr. Blofeld       White cat 13:23, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

So for example Akkoy would be recategorised as Category:Cities, towns and villages in İzmir Province, linking all settlements within a given area. The main problem is that hundreds of existing articles which are merged on towns and districts have no settlement category like Çeltikçi so people broswing through the main towns category won't find them. If organised by province then they will all be categorised. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 13:26, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi yes settlements seems to make sense in practice but I believe the reason why all of the categories are listed as Cities, towns and villages is to stop people create separate categories for villages etc. This way it asserts that this category should include them all. You;d think Settlements would be used all across wikipedia but the convention seems to be cities and towns so I guess we run with that for now. I just didn't want to start adding any categories and then face opposition from the active members of Wp:Turkey. It should be OK at the end and will tie a lot more together. I won't recategorize Cities in Turkey though I'll just add an extra provincial cat for those. Been a while since I went to Turkey myself. It really is scorching hot in the summer! Regards. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 19:17, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Hiltons
Thanks for noticing that. Shows you can't even trust a mainstream national information site for the Netherlands. Saved an embarrassement thanks. I've renominated and removed your initial comments to avoid confusion over the new hook. Thanks Dr. Blofeld       White cat 16:23, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar
Çok teşekkürler, sizin çabalarınız da övgüye değer. Sağlıcakla... --Chapultepec (talk) 20:00, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Rumi

 * It must have been a timing error. What I meant to revert was this edit you had made a few minutes before; you got to it about a minute or two before I did. My apologies.--Cúchullain t/ c 20:37, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/List of sultans of the Ottoman Empire/archive1
Hi, CeeGee! Sorry to disturb you, but I saw from this category that you are a member of WikiProject Turkey, and the List of sultans of the Ottoman Empire is currently a featured list candidate. If you could take some of your time and review it on its nomination page, I would be very grateful. Regards. --BomBom (talk) 03:02, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Support for deleting the Category:Anti-Armenianism
Will you support my arguement for the deletion of the Category:Anti-Armenianism that I put forward on May 1, 2009?

It is very subjective and even racist as it puts every person who questions the Armenian genocide, such as prominent academicians, who are not racist or personally against Armenian people or Armenia as an entity, along with assasins and militants.

Thank you

81.214.147.154 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.214.147.154 (talk) 19:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Ports and harbours of the Sea of Marmara
Hi

I see you have created this category, and sub Category:Port cities of the Sea of Marmara, and sub Category:Sea of Marmara port cities and towns in Turkey. I'm a bit confused by 3 categories for 3 almost identical things - would it be a big problem if they were all collapsed into a single category? Mhockey (talk) 20:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Mhockey! Yes indeed, it is confusing. My bad. I can not remember how I created both categories on the same day. Please feel free to take appropriate action or -if you want- let me know to do it. Thanks for your attention. Cheers. CeeGee (talk) 17:44, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I have collapsed Category:Sea of Marmara port cities and towns in Turkey into Category:Port cities of the Sea of Marmara, but left the rest - there seems to be a wider issue of Category:Ports and harbours and Category:Port cities which have got confused and need sorting out. Mhockey (talk) 10:49, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Turkey Barnstar
Thanks! Darth Newdar  (talk)  20:04, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Not classified
Hi! I saw you were the creator of 2003 Red Bull Air Race World Series season, and there you've written "NC: Not classified". Could you please explain what you meant by classified? There's already Did not participate and Did not show (up); what's the difference? --Alexander (talk) 15:29, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this reply! I think I understand them perfectly well now. Perhaps it should indeed read "did not qualify", but it's not an important matter by all means. --Alexander (talk) 20:11, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:ImkbLogo.png)
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INS Arihant
I actually don't know what I did with this edit. It doesn't match the edit summary. Probably too hard to revert since other edits have been made after it, I did added the category again to the article. Garion96 (talk) 08:46, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Naval bases
Hello! In common English usage, the name precedes the designation. The only exceptions I know of are US Navy bases, where the formal form is in the opposite order. But even there, the former form is still very common, e.g. Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, and other branches use it as well, e.g. the USAF bases. IMO, for the Turkish Navy, where we are dealing with a translation, the formalities of USN nomenclature are irrelevant. As such, we should use the most widespread form, i.e. name and then designation. BTW, very nice articles. Cheers, Constantine  ✍  22:13, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

An exciting opportunity to get involved!
As a member of the Aviation WikiProject or one of its subprojects, you may be interested in testing your skills in the Aviation Contest! I created this contest, not to pit editor against editor, but to promote article improvement and project participation and camraderie. Hopefully you will agree with its usefulness. Sign up here, read up on the rules here, and discuss the contest here. The first round of the contest may not start until September 1st-unless a large number of editors signup and are ready to compete immediately! Since this contest is just beginning, please give feedback here, or let me know what you think on my talkpage. -  Trevor  MacInnis   contribs  23:48, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Cengiz Topel
Hello! Your submission of Cengiz Topel at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Alexikoua (talk) 14:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

"1922 in Turke" category
Hi, I noticed you added 1922 in Turke to some articles, but I think it should be in Turkey. Not sure if yoy fixed them or not. Thanks! --AW (talk) 21:19, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right! My bad. I see it's resolved Thanks.CeeGee (talk) 18:18, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

"(women)"
Yes, that's why I said I wasn't sure. I still ain't. I mean, it's "ladies", then it's "women" - it should settle for one or the other. I did not say it to diss your article, but to signal what may be a larger problem, that I remain only remotely interested in. Regards, Dahn (talk) 18:41, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for wikifying
Thanks for the large amount of work you did in wikifying the list of prisons in Turkey. Sc.helm (talk) 21:23, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Trabzonspor (women)
Thx for the thx - the article was good Victuallers (talk) 16:15, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Turkish Airlines
Is this the accident you recently added to the Turkish Airlines article. If you can't find a flight number then I'd sugges 1976 Turkish Airlines accident would be a better title than the currently redlinked one. Mjroots (talk) 10:30, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Ara Güler
Hello. This edit of yours to Ara Güler was (and remains) very impressive, but how did (do) you know all this stuff?

Unfortunately I know no Turkish (or Greek) whatever; I surfed to the unsourced article on Ara Güler from the uninteresting article on the Turkophile Nikos Economopoulos; either page would benefit from the attention of somebody who's interested and reads Turkish. -- Hoary (talk) 00:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess I have understood your concerns. I added some refs I could easily find. My additions were a long time ago, and I can slightly remember the main source was an airline onboard periodical. I hope it is satisfactory for now. Cheers. CeeGee (talk) 19:37, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, um, here as almost always I see no need for a biographical infobox; but that niggle aside, very good work -- thank you!

I guess that in your early days here, you, like me, didn't worry much about specifying sources. (I tended to think that anyone interested would know.) The need to surce everything really is a bore.

Somebody, perhaps you, has written in the article: his most renowned photographs remain those melancholic black and white pictures taken mostly with a Leica camera in Istanbul mainly in the 1950s and 1960s, golden age of photojournalism. Less as an editor here and more as somebody who enjoys looking at photographs and is willing to order stuff through abebooks.com etc, I wonder if you have a particular recommendation among Ara Güler's books. -- Hoary (talk) 00:23, 5 December 2009 (UTC)


 * You're welcome! About the biographical infobox, I am not aware of any criteria regulating this. Yes indeed, in the early days of my wikiediting, I didn't pay attention since no one asked for that. Regarding Güler's books, I don't have any. However, since I am a little bit interested in photography, I browsed some in book stores in the past. What I can recommend to you is that you better start with the one you can find in English, which also fits your interests at best. The most important thing is his pictures anyway. Have fun. Cheers. CeeGee (talk) 14:43, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. My problem is that bookstores where I live stock few if any photobooks by people who neither are published in Japan nor happen to be favored by one or other of the handful of big companies that seem to gradually monopolizing the international market. (Thus for example even though Chris Steele-Perkins is a member of Magnum, his most recent books are published by Northumbria (University) Press and don't appear here.) Turkish books? The ever-polite shop assistants would refrain from laughing at the request, but they'd have a laugh over it when the customer was out of earshot. So I have to order via the internet and it's a matter of guesswork. (More often than not, I guess well.) I see in the OPAC of the best library hereabouts that the library has something it calls ''Ara Guler'e sayg== Hommage an Ara Guler=tribute to Ara Guler 1. Aufl'' (libraries here have no patience with diacritics) so I'll take a look at that. -- Hoary (talk) 01:41, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you again, for new tips. I think I'll look at the one book that's in the (fairly local) library, and see if I want to investigate further. If I do, then I may well ask you follow-up questions.


 * You wouldn't happen to have a copy of the Magnum Photos collection Türkiye magnum, I suppose? -- Hoary (talk) 09:57, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Category Piri Resi
What's 'Resi' mean? what is this category supposed to be? Dougweller (talk) 19:05, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Dardanelles map.png
A tag has been placed on File:Dardanelles map.png requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section I2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.  Ja Ga  talk 23:09, 14 December 2009 (UTC)