User talk:CeeGee/ArchiveUpTo20111230

My talk page archives:
 * Archive up to 2006-10-13
 * Archive up to 2007-12-15
 * Archive up to 2008-12-15
 * Archive up to 2009-12-26
 * Archive up to 2010-12-31

Comments

 * I would appreciate if you could help. I tried but was not successful.-- Nvvchar . 13:46, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Rákóczi Museum, Tekirdağ
HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   12:27, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Antalya Festival
Hello CeeGee, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Antalya Festival, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: There is ample context to identify the subject of the article. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. -- Lear's Fool 06:24, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

İzmir Kentkart - sorry!
You're right, I should've lived up to Treebeard's motto of 'Don't be hasty', but I just can't stand an empty references section. Rchard2scout (talk) 17:35, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Aliağa (İZBAN)
Hello! I changed the name back to Aliağa (İZBAN) because the name of the station is just Aliağa. It was been changed when the line opened. Also because İZBAN is a private company, it is to differentiate from TCDD owned stations. Cheers. (Central Data Bank (talk) 18:14, 16 February 2011 (UTC))

Invitation to participate
Hi, in 2007 you contributed to an article that has been nominated for deletion. Companies listed on the Istanbul Stock Exchange Please stop by and comment if you're interested. Thank you. USchick (talk) 01:28, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ottoman torpedo boat Sultanhisar
The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Bozcaada
Maybe you'll be interested in the discussion on page Talk:Tenedos Happy editting Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 07:11, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Nurdan KaragözP


A tag has been placed on Nurdan KaragözP requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, a "See also" section, book references, category tags, template tags, interwiki links, a rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

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DYK for State funeral of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Turkish professional bodies
Category:Turkish professional bodies, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mike Selinker (talk) 02:44, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Refah Tragedy
Hello! Your submission of Refah Tragedy at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  Sp in ni ng  Spark  20:43, 15 May 2011 (UTC)


 * A good place to ask for copyediting for English is WP:EAR. There is also WP:PR but that is really for the more well developed articles.  I would recommend in future that you get articles checked over while they are still in your userspace, and certainly before you submit them to DYK.  Sp in ni  ng  Spark  17:12, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Yhanks a lot indeed for the hint. Cheers. CeeGee (talk) 07:38, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Refah tragedy
The DYK project (nominate) 08:05, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Tömük
Summery terimini kullanmak uygun olacaktır.-- Westnest  message  19:59, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Rukiye Yıldırım
Hi! It seems you recently created an unreferenced biography of a living person: Rukiye Yıldırım. The community has decided that all new biographies of living persons must contain a reliable source that supports at least one statement made about the person in the article as per our verifiability policy. Please add references as soon as possible. Thanks! --LaraBot (talk) 00:10, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Rukiye Yıldırım


The article Rukiye Yıldırım has been proposed for deletion because under Wikipedia policy, all biographies of living persons created after March 18, 2010, must have at least one source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't take offense. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners or ask at Help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the prod blp tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within ten days, the article may be deleted, but you can when you are ready to add one. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 18:57, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Your contributed article, 2008 World University Boxing Championships


Hello, I notice that you recently created a new page, 2008 World University Boxing Championships. First, thank you for your contribution; Wikipedia relies solely on the efforts of volunteers such as you. Unfortunately, the page you created covers a topic on which we already have a page - 2008 World University Boxing Championship. Because of the duplication, your article has been tagged for speedy deletion. Please note that this is not a comment on you personally and we hope you will continue helping to improve Wikipedia. If the topic of the article you created is one that interests you, then perhaps you would like to help out at 2008 World University Boxing Championship - you might like to discuss new information at the article's talk page.

If you think that the article you created should remain separate, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion," which appears inside of the speedy deletion tag (if no such tag exists, the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate). Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Additionally if you would like to have someone review articles you create before they go live so they are not nominated for deletion shortly after you post them, allow me to suggest the article creation process and using our search feature to find related information we already have in the encyclopedia. Try not to be discouraged. Wikipedia looks forward to your future contributions. CeeGee (talk) 15:08, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

2010 World University Boxing Championships
Hello CeeGee, I've just declined your speedy and tuned 2010 World University Boxing Championship into a redirect to the page; I believe that the former is the correct name; however, I'm not sure. If I was wrong, feel free to turn it into a redirect to the latter. I thought that a speedy deletion per A10 was inappropriate, because the page with the wrong title can be a useful redirect to the other. Happy editing. Salvio Let's talk about it! 16:15, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The official site says "Championship" and not "Championships". The redirection you conducted should be in reverse way. Please check and fix it in accordance. BTW, I accept your proposal not to delete the duplication. Thanks and cheers. CeeGee (talk) 18:51, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅. Cheers. Salvio  Let's talk about it! 18:58, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Boxing articles
Thanks for your contributions. I notice you've added a few on amateur boxers, but they don't seem to meet notability guidelines under WP:NSPORT. Is there anything else that can be added to your last three articles to establish notability? I've tagged all three. Thanks, Gurt Posh (talk) 13:02, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Question: Are they not considered to be notable even they have won medals at international events? Thanks and cheers. CeeGee (talk) 13:05, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * For amateur events, bronze medals don't seem to be enough. Have any of them received substantial coverage from WP:Secondary, WP:Reliable sources? Turkish-language coverage would do fine, as long as they're reliable sources (not blogs, university newsletters, etc.). Thanks, Gurt Posh (talk) 13:08, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Are following sources insufficient?
 * Dindar Gölçek: two regional newspapers,
 * Kadri Kordel: one regional newspaper,
 * Muhammet Çat: two nationwide newspapers. CeeGee (talk) 13:19, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Those are passing mentions, so could you find something more substantial? I'll also hunt for some. Gurt Posh (talk) 13:46, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Category:Members of the Special Forces of the Ottoman Empire
Hi. As long as I know, the Special organization (Modern Turkish: Teşkilât-ı Mahsusa) was not a special force but an intelligence service. Its had operative units which was called "Fedai" by British intelligence. Takabeg (talk) 06:22, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I wonder why then does its title "Teşkilât-ı Mahsusa" say "Special organization"? If special organizations are not operative, what are they then?

Kategorinin adı olarak Category:Members of the Special organization of the Ottoman Empire nasıl ? Takabeg (talk) 06:24, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, are not forces also organizations? "Special organization" does not match the structure for my POV. CeeGee (talk) 06:32, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Special organization is not a normal noun but a kind of proper noun. So we have to use singular: "organization" not plural: "organizations"Takabeg (talk) 07:12, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Category:World War I crimes by the Ottoman Empire, Category:Armenian Genocide, Category:Greek Genocide
Hi, why did you remove Category:World War I crimes by the Ottoman Empire, Category:Armenian Genocide, Category:Greek Genocide with this edit ? Do you think we'd better put them into article directly ? Takabeg (talk) 07:43, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Since irrelevant. CeeGee (talk) 07:44, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Why irrelevant ? There are many sources, even in Turkish language. Takabeg (talk) 09:30, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * In order to be categorized, it has to be mentioned in the article with a reference of reliable source. Don't you think so? CeeGee (talk) 10:14, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Not always. If it were clear that the topic is irrelevant with some categories, we can (maybe we must) remove them. But the Special Organization's relation with the Armenian Genocide and the Greek ... (I personally think that the term "Greek genocide" is not common.) is mentioned in articles Armenian Genocide, Greek genocide. In this case, we must not remove those categories. Takabeg (talk) 10:34, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Not logical. We cannot assume that an artical is categorized into a topic because the relationship is mentioned in another article.CeeGee (talk) 11:23, 6 July 2011 (UTC)


 * You did the same "illogical" thing. Takabeg (talk)

Mountain running
Hi CeeGee. Excellent job on covering both the 2011 European Mountain Running Championships and Ahmet Arslan! I've been meaning to write Arslan's article for a while – even though he is obscure, he is somewhat peerless in Europe. I hope you enjoyed seeing Turkish athletes compete so well in your home town. Take care! SFB 22:13, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi SFB. Thanks a lot for the nice words. I've just noticed it in a recent newspaper report, and was wondering that Wikipedia was lacking an article about him. Cheers! CeeGee (talk) 06:39, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

2011 European Youth Summer Olympic Festival
Hey, thanks for the article but for the handball, basketball and volleyball articles there are templates to make it look better and clearer, also you should add the standings for each groups. Kante4 (talk) 14:56, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the hint. I will follow your advise.CeeGee (talk) 18:49, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Could you help?
I have seen that you have edited my sisters (Sevgi Sabanci) bio page. I am having a little problem with mine (Murat Sabanci) I recently created the page, I have been living in England and USA for a long time and trying to keep myself away from the media as much as I can. My bio just marked for deletion by a Wikipedia editor (Bgwhite) for having no reliable source.

What should I do to resolve this?

Thank you in advance...  Murat Sabanci

Here is what we have been discussing with "Bgwhite" ;

Re: Proposed deletion of Murat Sabancı I have some sources for the biography of Murat Sabanci; http://arsiv.sabah.com.tr/1998/08/08/r05.html http://en.rodovid.org/wk/Person:607039 http://www.uludagsozluk.com/k/sabanc%C4%B1-karde%C5%9Fler/ http://www.museumstuff.com/learn/topics/Sabanci_family http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=N10000003489&inq_came_from=OFFFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0002&names_name_ind=P&ret_names_cor_number=&ret_cor_web_names_seq_number=&ret_names_name_ind=&ret_names_comp_name=&ret_names_filing_type=&ret_cor_web_princ_seq=&ret_princ_comp_name=SABANCI&ret_princ_type=

2 of them are in Turkish and 2 are in English. Would these work? If not what else I could provide to make permanent changes on my personal information? I have been trying to keep myself away from written media, so it is really hard to find any publications about me. I could provide some documentation to prove that my my personal information is accurate...  Thank you for your time...     Murat Sabanci

The first Turkish one looks to be ok for a reference. Unfortunately, it doesn't go into detail about Mr Sabanci, therefore it can't be used to establish notability on Wikipedia. The second link, en.rodovid.org, is a user generated wiki. The other two links say the information is from Wikipedia. A user generated wiki or Wikipedia are not considered reliable sources because anyone can edit. WP:SOURCES as some information on what makes a reliable source. It takes 10 days for the proposed deletion to run its course, so there is time to come up with some sources. In order for an article about a living person to be on Wikipedia, generally, it has to meet WP:GNG. If there are no sources, then there is no page. Unfortunately, any information that you provide about yourself is not deemed independent, thus not amissable. This is not to say you are not notable in the real world, just not on Wikipedia. I think journalist and businesspeople have the hardest trouble with these requirements. Journalists write alot, but not to many get written about. Businesspeople get written about, but it is usually only in the context of the company... You see news stories about the companies that have quotes or mention company officials, but not many stories about the businesspeople themselves. Bgwhite (talk) 08:32, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick reply. Basically in my bio i only stated my education and business life without getting in any details. These information can be found online such as my company info that can be found on a public website that's been ran by the US Government without any user access for editing. Also, education info can be found online websites which is official school websites...

Murat Sabanci --Runoka (talk) 09:30, 10 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Runoka! Thanks for your message. In the meantime, I noticed that your question has been fully explained by the admin, who proposed the deletion of the article about your bio. Maybe you can provide links to newspaper articles as reference. Cheers. CeeGee (talk) 11:11, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Abdi İpekçi Street → Avenue
While streets called "avenue" are usually broad streets, especially in the U.S., not all streets called "avenue" are necessarily broad. Originally just meaning "access road", one of its meanings is "thoroughfare", which corresponds to how cadde is used in Turkey. Istanbul was not designed for car traffic, and unfortunately some major thoroughfares are now uncomfortable narrow, but, narrow and one-way as it is, Abdi İpekçi Caddesi is a thoroughfare. In any case, I think it is better to translate cadde uniformly for a variety of reasons, including the existence of streets whose names are differentiated by sokak versus cadde (e.g., Abdi İpekçi Sokak as a side street of Bağdat Caddesi in Fenerbahçe, and another one in İçerenköy). I also notice that Şişli Belediyesi uses "Abdi Ipekci Avenue" in English texts, as does Hürriyet Daily News. --Lambiam 10:35, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

AKUT Search and Rescue Association (Turkey)
Merhaba! Dün Nasuh Mahruki maddesinde AKUT'a iç bağlantı vermemin ardından oluşturmuş olduğunuz başlık, Türkçe Vikipedi'de üzerinde çalıştığım AKUT projem ile ilgili olarak çok büyük bir anlam ve önem taşıyor. Çok teşekkür ederim emeğiniz için, ellerinize sağlık. İyi çalışmalar, saygılarımla. Utku TanrıvereMessage 02:01, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Utku Tanrivere. You're welcome. Cheers. CeeGee (talk) 08:06, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Florya Atatürk Marine Mansion
Your Florya Atatürk Marine Mansion nomination is very messed up. Please reread the instructions or request assistance (possibly at WP:AN or WT:DYK.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:09, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

About importance rating
Hi, you’d cleared a WPTR importance assessment in an article. I’d just want to learn what the criteria for importance assessment is i.e., how the imortance is judged and by whom ? Happy editting. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 11:57, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Nedim Ardoğa! I've changed the article's class to "List", because it is a list and removed the importance, because I am not sure whether it deserves the assessment of "Mid". You can have a look at WP:ASSESS for your question. Cheers. CeeGee (talk) 12:39, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Re:WRC seasons
Yes it would be better, however...you are only changing one rally link. You change them all or none at all. Don't go bit-part. Simple as that. Craig (talk)  20:36, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I wanna just remind that"'The beginning is the half of every action'". CeeGee (talk) 10:20, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Florya Atatürk Marine Mansion
Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Nejat Eczacıbaşı ve Bülent Eczacıbaşı Sayfaları Hakkında
Sayın Ceegee, Nejat Eczacıbaşı ve Bülent Eczacıbaşı sayfasındaki güncellemeleriniz için teşekkür ederiz. Ancak, Nejat Eczacıbaşı ve Bülent Eczacıbaşı sayfasındaki bilgi içeriğinin Eczacıbaşı Topluluğu’nun internet sitesindeki (www.eczacibasi.com.tr) içerikle uyumlu olması, kurumsal referansların tutarlılığı açısından önem taşıyor. Referans olarak Nejat Eczacıbaşı için :http://www.eczacibasi.com/channels/1.asp?id=142  Bülent Eczacıbaşı için: http://www.eczacibasi.com/channels/1.asp?id=1015 sayfalarını almanızı rica ederiz. Konuyla ilgili dönüşünüzü bekleriz.

Saygılarımızla,

Utulay (talk) 13:12, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Utulay! I don't know what bothers you or what is incorrect. Please specify. A few guidelines for you:

Regards. CeeGee (talk) 13:34, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * What Wikipedia is not
 * Verifiability
 * Neutral point of view
 * Consensus

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Ottoman Navy ships of the line
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DYK for Gazi Race
Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Turkish cuisine
Please stop adding this to template:Cuisine sidebars as Template:Turkish cuisine template is a navbox, not a sidebar.

Sorry about that, I see you converted it to a sidebar.--Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 05:25, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem. We are sometimes very in hurry. Cheers. CeeGee (talk) 07:52, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

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Districts of İstanbul
Hi CeeGee Template:Districts of Istanbul is fine. But isn't it a duplication of Template:Districts of Turkey. (So far the only difference I've seen is categorization of districts according to continent.) Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 15:31, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The former is shorter. CeeGee (talk) 15:39, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Baklahorani
Thanks for the job in Baklahorani. If you have some time to spare I would be thankfull if you can give a translataion of H. Irmak's article: [] "Güzergahlar ise maskaralar eşliğinde mandolin, klarnet, lavta çalıp “çsamiko”, “kleftiko” isimli kırsal halk dansları ya da davul-zurna ile Anadolu halk dansları oynanarak katedilir. Bakırköy, Samatya, Fener, Balat semt grupları Galata ve Unkapanı köprülerinden çala-oynaya Pera’ya geçer; Yenişehir, Akarca Yokuşu yoluyla Aya Dimitri Kilisesi Meydanına ulaşır. Boğaziçi köyleri, Şişli, Kemerburgaz semt grupları ise Pangaltı Katolik Mezarlığı önünde toplanarak ana cadde üzerinde aynı meydana gelir." and "Mizansen gruplarının dışında kalan Rum gençlerinin bir kısmı “fustenella” isimli geleneksel kıyafet giyer. Kendine sakal, bıyık yapan, yüzünü tamamen una veya kömür karasına boyayan erkeklerin yanı sıra kadınlar kısa kollu, göğüs dekolteli, al, mavi ve yeşil fistanlıdır." Unfortunately wikitranslator doesn't help in this.Alexikoua (talk) 20:50, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Will do it soon. Cheers. CeeGee (talk) 20:53, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Below the requested translation. I did not add it to the article since there are some duplications. Please edit it by yourself in order to have better expansion. Cheers. CeeGee (talk) 22:02, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Dressed in fancy costumes, carnavalists march the route dancing tsamiko to music played by mandolin, clarinet and lute or Anatolian folk dances to music by drum and zurna. Residents of Bakırköy, Samatya, Fener, Balat cross dancing the Golden Horn on the Galata Bridge and Unkapanı Bridge, pass Pera and reach the Hagios Dimitri Church square. People from neighborhoods at Bosphorus, Şişli, Kemerburgaz gather in front of the Pangaltı Catholic Cemetery and march through the main street to the same square. Some young Greek people, except members of the mise en scène groups, wear traditional costume fustanella. In addition to men, who put on fake beard or moustache, completely paint their face with flour or coal powder, women are dressed in red, blue or green décolleté garment.


 * Thanks a lot, that's useful stuff. I will make the appropriate additions right now. Alexikoua (talk) 22:15, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

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