User talk:Celarnor/Archive 3

The Mickey Mouse Club
I am having trouble with an editor removing information of mine that is sourced and cited very well. They are telling me that an "uninterested" editor needs to publish the information, which makes no sense to me as an "uninterested" editor would have no reason to do so. Zachary Jaydon was a cast member on The Mickey Mouse Club, and I have cited numerous Official, Reliable, Non-Secondary Disney Publications that provide this information clearly. The editor keeps removing the information without taking the time to check the sources, which can be done if a small amount of effort is put into it. I believe that this goes against Wiki policy as well as a major lack of the assumption of good faith. Removing unsourced information is one thing, but when an editor takes the time to make an article more informative and accurate, it's very discouraging. Please help!

Skyler Morgan (talk) 20:30, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for offering to help mediate
Thanks for this. That's really all anyone is asking, is for someone else to examine the source, and vouch that it supports what is being claimed. I understand why you feel like we are failing to assume good faith, but I hope that if you look over the edit history of the article and the two deletion discussions for Zachary Jaydon that you can see that most editors did assume good faith at first ... we just ran out of it. I would really encourage him to just e-mail the scans to all the editors that have reverted him in this latest round. I can understand if he doesn't want to communicate with User:Thegingerone. Kww (talk) 04:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Zachary Jaydon
My article is being AfD again for a third time based on a supposed "hoax." I have sourced this article as well as I know how. I am researching, and submitting scans as I write this, but what I really need is some help. I find it insane that a single "user editable" blog based on an extreme hatred for Jaydon is causing such a ruckus. Please help!

Skyler Morgan (talk) 21:42, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


 * While I appreciate the notice, it isn't considered good form to go around user pages asking for help at AfDs. This is called canvassing, and is generally frowned upon.  Celarnor Talk to me  00:16, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

ECDSA
Yes, it was the proprietary links that kinda stood out to me. The style it's written in also seemed a little fishy, and I was thinking it needs a bit of clean-up. I'm sorry if I incorrectly tagged it. Mr. E. Sánchez Wanna know my story?/ Share yours with me! 21:26, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Feedback
 ·Add§hore·  T alk /C ont 17:23, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

SarekOfVulcan RFA
Thank you for !voting on my RfA. If you supported, I'll make sure your confidence is not misplaced; if you opposed, I'll take your criticism into account and try to adjust my behavior accordingly.

See you around the wiki!--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 00:12, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Happy Independence Day!
As you are a nice Wikipedian, I just wanted to wish you a happy Independence Day! And if you are not an American, then have a happy day and a wonderful weekend anyway! :) Your friend and colleague, --Happy Independence Day!   Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 21:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

List of basic tort law topics
The above article was created by User:JeanLatore who was, at the time of the article's creation, a banned user. According to the criteria for speedy deletion, articles created by banned users can be deleted provided that no other editor has made significant contributions to them. While reviewing this article's history, I noticed that you did make significant contributions to the article, so on the face of it it's not eligible for speedy deletion. I'd like to request your blessing to delete it anyway, however, since, after being blocked, JeanLatore posted a message suggesting that his article work may be error-ridden. In light of that, I think it would be best for the project that as many of his articles as possible be deleted. Please let me know on my talk page whether you're okay with the article, including your work, being deleted. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 02:34, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, in my view it either needs to be deleted or fact-checked. If you're comfortable saying that all of JeanLatore's material now in the article is factually accurate, I'm happy to keep it.  But if nobody's prepared to say that, then I'd rather start it over. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 02:50, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, no, it's accurate; As you can see, the current version really is only similar to Jean's in that it's the same topic; a lot of stuff was simply thrown out because it couldn't be sourced. At this point, yes, everything in there is as factually accurate as I could make it.  Celarnor Talk to me  02:57, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay - then I'm comfortable keeping it. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 03:01, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

AN/I
Look here. I posted it there because of personal information being on the user's talk page. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:29, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I hadn't thought of that; good thinking. Celarnor Talk to me  01:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for standing up for open editing
Thanks for your consistent work to defend more open editing, writing, and the principles of Wikipedia. When you defend these, you defend IP users. Thanks again. Mr. IP (talk) 03:36, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks; its nice to know that there are still some other people out there also interested in these things. :)  Celarnor Talk to me  04:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

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Okay, I simply just made those pages for self-entertainment (don't ask why please). I've blanked them now. DarkFireYoshi (talk) 03:30, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Good to know; but why not keep that kind of thing in sandbox subpages? It minimizes other people's sight of them.  <b style="color:#629632;">Celarnor</b> <sup style="color:#7733ff;">Talk to me  04:02, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

The Article Rescue Squadron needs you
Hello, I noticed that you recently signed up to be part of the Article Rescue Squadron at Article Rescue Squadron/Members.

If you have not yet added this template to your user page, please do:

There is a whole list of articles which needed rescuing now:

Category:Articles that have been proposed for deletion but that may concern encyclopedic topics

...can you please take the time and rescue one?

And please watch Article Rescue Squadron for ongoing new developments.

Thank you, Article Rescue Squadron member, Inclusionist (talk) 22:32, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

HAGGAR?
I have tried to understand an element of your response to my post at Wikipedia_talk:Abuse_filter/Archive_2. It is highlighted in bold in this quote:
 * "If implemented correctly and with sufficient community oversight over the filters, the danger to content is minimal; as long as the community at large is there to watch over the filters, there isn't any harm in having them there, since the system is only designed to be used against very obvious vandalism with very specific MOs (i.e, HAGGAR). The danger isn't in the technical power of the extension, it is in what might happen if there aren't enough editors capable of watching over the system to make sure it doesn't get subverted."

Are you referring to Mike Haggar? If so, I am not a game player so I really have no idea what is the relevance. Otherwise, I may be revealing my ignorance of an earlier discussion. At any rate, you did understand exactly the question I was posting and I am swayed to the pro-AF side at this point. Sswonk (talk) 00:07, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No; I don't know who Mike Haggar is. One of the more problematic kinds of vandalism is where someone (or a group of people) move pages to unicode variants of the word "HAGGAR"; the original AF system was put in place to allow filters to deal with that kind of vandalism.  <b style="color:#629632;">Celarnor</b> <sup style="color:#7733ff;">Talk to me  01:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your participation in the discussion at WP:VPP. I have heard of User:Pumpie...but who is Jean Latore and socks? I can't find anything about them. Pernambuco Boy (talk) 02:27, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * JeanLatore was a sock of Wiki brah. I had some run-ins with him in the past under the former name; I believe that he claimed to be suffering from aspergers, or autism, or something else that started with an 'A'.  IIRC, he also claimed to edit Wikipedia while under the influence of cannabis.  <b style="color:#629632;">Celarnor</b> <sup style="color:#7733ff;">Talk to me  02:31, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

How do you research these users' histories on here? And which did you have a "run in" with? The Latore or the Wikibrah? And what happened? Ever heard of User:Pumpie? He also might be mentally challenged. Pernambuco Boy (talk) 02:34, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Just go through their contributions. JeanLatore and Wiki_brah were the same person, but I never encountered him under the second name, because it had been banned before I was around.  The second account was a SOCKPUPPET of the first, which surfaced later.  Prior to his being discovered and banned with this post to his talkpage during an unrelated conduct block, I ran into him a few times at AfD, the ArbCom RFC, and a few other policy-related venues where he would support outlandish ideas.  <b style="color:#629632;">Celarnor</b> <sup style="color:#7733ff;">Talk to me  02:39, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Sarah Palin protection wheel war
The Sarah Palin wheel war arbitration case, on which you have commented, is now open.
 * Evidence for the arbitrators may be submitted at Requests for arbitration/Sarah Palin protection wheel war/Evidence. Evidence should be submitted within one week, if possible.
 * Your contributions are also welcome at Requests for arbitration/Sarah Palin protection wheel war/Workshop.

For the Arbitration Committee, <font color="#2A8B31">Anthøny <font color="#2A8B31">✉  21:12, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

AfD revisit
Hi, please revisit Articles for deletion/Dmitri Vladimirovich Kuznetsov if you can. I have added sources to the article, including one which claims a confession. I believe I may have made enough of a case using both UK and US sources for this. Thanks.  Jim Miller  See me 07:31, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Jonathan Bishop
An article you previously voted on in an AfD has been re-nominated. You can see the discussion at This link. Cardydwen (talk) 21:22, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

D&D articles for Wikipedia 0.7
Hi there! :)

As someone who's worked on D&D and/or RPG articles before, I'm inviting you to participate in our goal to both improve articles that have been selected to be placed in the next Wikipedia DVD release, as well as nominate more to be selected for this project. Please see the WikiProject D&D talk page for more details. :) BOZ (talk) 19:39, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Easy as pi?: Making mathematics articles more accessible to a general readership
The discussion, to which you contributed, has been archived, with very much additional commentary, at Village pump (proposals)/Archive 35 (subsectioned and sub-subsectioned). A related discussion is at (Temporary link) Talk:Mathematics and (Permanent link) Talk:Mathematics (Section "Making mathematics articles more accessible to a general readership"). Another related discussion is at (Temporary link) Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics and (Permanent link) Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics (Section "Making mathematics articles more accessible to a general readership"). -- Wavelength (talk) 01:21, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

72.154.83.216
The editor who made these unconstructive edits no longer has this IP. This is IP address currently belongs to me, however I have a full account as you can see. I am a legitimate user. Take a look at my previous contributions if you have anything to doubt. Murjax (talk) 16:21, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Excuse me...? <b style="color:#629632;">Celarnor</b> <sup style="color:#7733ff;">Talk to me  01:29, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Susan Collins link
My bad there - I'd just assumed that was her campaign site without checking. Apologies, and good work reverting me. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 22:20, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It's all good; I probably should have been more clear in the first edit summary. <b style="color:#629632;">Celarnor</b> <sup style="color:#7733ff;">Talk to me  00:42, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Need your Help
Looking at your Wiki user page, you seem helpful and also willing to help clean up articles that should not be considered for deletion when a simple change can save an article. What caught my eye is your statement, "I spend my time as an RC patroller or improving articles that were nominated for deletion (which, also in my experience, are articles that just require improvement; despite the fact that AfD is not for forced cleanup, that it sadly its primary use)" I wish more editors/admins took your philosophy on this. Here is the link where your input is greatly needed:  Thanks for your time. 72.191.15.133 (talk) 23:59, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Question regarding vote rationale
Hi Celarnor. I noticed your rationale for your oppose. This is the first time I've approached someone about what they've said on my vote page, so forgive me if I breach any etiquette. I was wondering if your rationale was based on my answers to your questions, or things I said elsewhere? If it was the answer to your questions, I would be happy to clear up any misunderstandings, as I think my answers to the questions others asked show that I think policy should be firmly rooted in community consensus. If you are open to discussing this further, please reply where-ever you feel most comfortable, maybe at the vote talk page, at the questions page, here at your talk page, or at my talk page? If you don't want to discuss things any further, that's fine, but I hope you will allow me the chance to explain things a bit more. Carcharoth (talk) 00:24, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It was the qualifier at the end of your question:
 * "Having said that, sometimes a sea-change imposed from above is the best way to implement reform (the biographies of living people policy was created in such fashion)."
 * While I agree (obviously) that BLP both is now and was needed, I think the Committee should have started discussion on it before imposing anything by fiat. I can't support a candidate unless I'm as sure as can possibly be that they aren't going to undermine community consensus.  <b style="color:#629632;">Celarnor</b> <sup style="color:#7733ff;">Talk to me  02:26, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply, Celarnor. I should have been clearer about where that particular imposition "from above" came from. As far as I'm aware, the impetus behind making Biographies of living people policy came from Jimbo Wales with this mailing list post, back in May 2006 (the actual history is a little bit more involved than that). In my view, the arbitration committee absolutely should not be imposing policy changes from above, and I would oppose that, while I would recognise that legal matters may need to be imposed by, say, bodies like the Wikimedia Foundation (copyright and libel issues, primarily), though even there I feel sensitivity to concerns within the community is needed. There are several other answers on my questions page that I think will make my position clearer:
 * Q from Sarcasticidealist - see my answer to Q1: general thoughts on policies.
 * Q from Mailer Diablo - see my answer to Q2: this directly answers your concerns, I think.
 * Q from Harej - in this answer I say that the committee's role is to interpret policy, not make it.
 * Q from Pixelface - second set of questions: see my answer to Q5 on sitting arbitrators editing policies and guidelines.
 * I hope this clarifies things. Please ask if you have any further questions. Carcharoth (talk) 23:52, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Rolando Gomez
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Rolando Gomez. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedy-deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.--72.191.15.133 (talk) 18:59, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Proxy Server
I would love an account on your closed proxy server. Can you set me up? Thanks heaps, Jake Wartenberg Talk 18:43, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Closed proxy?
Hi - I was wondering if you could help in some way, with advice or with a closed proxy.

I am actually trying to edit another MediaWiki site - Appropedia (I'm a sysop there). Since I came to this somewhat isolated part of Guatemala, where the internet is by satellite, I haven't been able to stay logged in to Appropedia. I can with Wikipedia, Gmail, and every other site I'm logged into. We can't figure out what the problem is - and other people have no trouble logging in (those in the USA, anyway - not sure if this is a likely issue.)

Do you know if this is this something that a closed proxy might help with? May I try using your proxy? Thanks --Chriswaterguy talk 03:09, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

WikiLove is here!
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Behind the Great Wall
Hi Celarnor I am Wuyouyuan from the french Wikipedia fr:Utilisateur:Wuyouyuan. I live in China, ordinarily in Tianjin. today i am in Beijing as you can see with my IP. Since April 8, Wikipedia is reachable in China without proxy or anonymizer, even zh.wikipedia. But the problem with forbidden words is still current. Perhaps you know the fr:Lunaf Gong. I can display these pages using a anonymizer with cryptage feature, but not edit it because of the Open-Proxy block policy of Wikipedia. fr:Utilisateur:Gribeco, who lives in Japan, said to me you can do something for me. If you have a moment of time to waste. Please write answer here, not on the unstable IP (sorry for my poor english; mon chinois est pire). 123.112.81.218 (talk) 03:41, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Closed proxies and the Scientology case
Apparently, users of your closed proxy are not permitted to edit Scientology-related articles. I have filed a request for clarification as to whether users of closed proxies such as yours were intended to be included in the topic ban: Arbitration/Requests/Clarification. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 13:44, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello
Glad to see you are still active and saving decent articles. How do I get the Article Rescue Squadron Newsletter? SunCreator (talk) 12:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

ASRA
Hi Celarnor, Articles for deletion/American Sovereignty Restoration Act (2nd nomination) resulted in deletion. Since you requested userfication in the 1st nomination but missed the 2nd, I thought you might want to follow up on that. Please let me know if you do and if you would like any help sourcing. The parent article is (should be) United States withdrawal from the United Nations, and ASRA remains unlinked. JJB 09:43, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/List of female stock characters (2nd nomination)
Since you participated in the first AFD, I am letting you know about the second AFD. Ikip (talk) 17:28, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

REQUEST for the proxy =
Hi, can I please be added to the list of the users to use your closed proxy? also, a quick question, can I use your proxy for other uses besides Wikipedia? please reply on my talk page. Thanks!
 * Jmans25 (talk) 21:57, 24 February 2010 (UTC)jmans25

Articles for deletion/List of YouTube celebrities (4th nomination)
Since you participated in the third AFD, I am letting you know about the 4th AFD. Ikip (talk) 21:38, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Reviewer granted
Hello. Your account has been granted the "reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, is currently undergoing a two-month trial scheduled to end 15 August 2010.

Reviewers can review edits made by users who are not autoconfirmed to articles placed under pending changes. Pending changes is applied to only a small number of articles, similarly to how semi-protection is applied but in a more controlled way for the trial. The list of articles with pending changes awaiting review is located at Special:OldReviewedPages.

When reviewing, edits should be accepted if they are not obvious vandalism or BLP violations, and not clearly problematic in light of the reason given for protection (see Reviewing process). More detailed documentation and guidelines can be found here.

If you do not want this userright, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. Calmer  Waters  14:37, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

It would be nice if you became active again
I remember you as a voice of reason.

We sure need you around here.

Sincerely, The Transhumanist 07:53, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

WP:WOCP
Hello, this is a notice that wp:WOCP is currently revitalizing to conform with new technology standards and there is currently a call out to all older members to come back and help out. You were listed as a member of the project, and thus contacted. If you want to help with the efforts, please make contact on the projects talk page. Regards, Phearson (talk) 15:47, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

An article you previously participated in the AFD for, is at AFD once again

 * Articles_for_deletion/List_of_business_failures_%282nd_nomination%29  D r e a m Focus  12:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

American in China
Hi Celarnor,

I am now in China, and try many software and IP address on my Mac Book, but few software programs available to bypass the GFW, do you know of any current successful free software program for the Mac OS X or current ip address or configuration for Mac OS X 10.6.7 to bypass the GFW? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pacificboy1964 (talk • contribs) 04:53, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

3,000 edits
You are listed on WikiProject on closed proxies/List of servers as the operator of a closed proxy server for the use of people living in areas where Wikipedia access is widely blocked. I do not live in such an area but somehow feel compelled to advocate on their behalf. There appears to be an inconsistency between the instructions at WikiProject on closed proxies/Criteria and the instructions at Advice to users using Tor to bypass the Great Firewall. My question about this inconsistency has gone unanswered for three months, and I would appreciate your comment there. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 21:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Give me an account for closed proxy please
Please check you email box. Thank you very much

Sumtec (talk) 11:20, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Category:People from Tayside
Category:People from Tayside, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:40, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)
Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page. In this issue: Read the entire first edition of The Olive Branch -->
 * Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
 * Research: The most recent DR data
 * Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
 * Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
 * DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
 * Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
 * Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

--The Olive Branch 18:54, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Closed Proxies
Hey there! I'm looking to revive the WikiProject on closed proxies and I was wondering if you were still active and running your server listed at WikiProject on closed proxies/List of servers, and if you would like to participate within the project itself! I'd love to hear your comments and status,, and I hope you'll accept my invite! Elyeri (talk) 07:29, 5 June 2016 (UTC)