User talk:Celestina007/Archives/2021/August

Thanks for Reviewing Bradley Felix. I need your help.
Hello Celestina007 Thanks for reviewing Bradley Felix, How do you connect a Wikidata item to a Wikipedia page? I made one for the page but don't know how to connect it. Can you connect it or teach me how to please. Thanks Akim Ernest (talk) 23:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I've connected it for you. For future reference: on the Wikidata entry, click the "edit" button next to the word "Wikipedia". Type "en" (for English Wikipedia) into the blank, and then type the article name into the second blank. Then click "publish". Cheers, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 02:58, 1 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank You Very Much @Extraordinary Writ I appreciate your time in explaining to me. There's so much to learn about Wikipedia. Bye For Now. Akim Ernest (talk) 03:23, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

My opinion
I noticed you move this page Northboi to draftspace, that subject is clear about notability in the Nigerian music industry, he’s been involved in many event that established his notablity, working with Beyoncé was a very good coverage for him, you can review more about him so you can reconsider Deplug1 (talk) 20:09, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, a couple of things, first is, you created that article, your tone comes across as a passerby who “notices” something and gives an “objective opinion” so let’s be clear about that, you created the article. Secondly if you look at WP:DRAFTIFY it gives multiple scenarios whereby an article could be moved back to the editors Draftspace. I believe it’s in the best interest of the community that the article is submitted via WP:AFC of course I wouldn’t do the reviewing. Celestina007 (talk) 20:15, 1 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I understand what you’re doing, trust me, I just felt as a Nigerian, we should understand more about the space, when they’re notable is only right for inclusion.


 * I would not create the page if he’s not notable or met the guidelines, His notability rate has passed to go through AFC, he has independent coverage and notable mentions. But anyway I still want the best for the Wikipedia community as well
 * , No, you do not know “what I’m doing” I never argued anything pertaining notability, which is indicative of the fact that you did not bother to read DRAFTIFY, if you did you wouldn’t post here again, rather you would have just submitted via afc as I instructed. Celestina007 (talk) 21:25, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * And This is Sockpuppet investigations/Deplug1 what I’m doing. Celestina007 (talk) 15:02, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Please forgive me
Hello, Celestina007 I’m appealing to you and well-thought Wikipedians like you, I have made mistakes on disruptive editing with this account User:Deplug1, I did not have bad intention, I’m just trying to edit many pages on my account, please forgive me, I will be going through AFC for others to examine the pages, if I can be unblocked, I promise I will take your step. Thank you and God bless Scotthonest (talk) 10:24, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You have thus far abused 3 accounts(that we are aware of) simultaneously it is my opinion you aren’t here to build an encyclopedia. 3 accounts though?? So if didn’t nab this account (this very one you are still using to ask for “forgiveness”) you would have continued the deception? I do not believe you are truly sorry and besides I can’t “forgive” only sysops have the power to “forgive”(unblock) which I believe they shouldn’t. Celestina007 (talk) 13:06, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I would also support an enforcement of the block. Scott/Deplug, if you are willing to stop with the evasion of your block for, say 6 months, then maybe your block should be reconsidered but I don't think that your behaviour thus far has been that of someone who is actually willing to help with this project. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:45, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Question for you
Hello Celestina, I have a question for you. I've filed a DRV here:, and it is the first time I've asked for a DRV. I think I've followed the steps correctly, but I don't understand what item 5 in the process means. Step 5: Leave notice of the deletion review outside of and above the original deletion discussion..... Does this mean I should notify all the editors who participated in the AfD? Netherzone (talk) 14:40, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, hey, I myself have never filed there but no, I don’t think step 5 means you should leave a notice. However, I think your entry was inserted correctly. Celestina007 (talk) 18:14, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Celestina. I think Spiderone took care of whatever mistakes I made. Netherzone (talk) 19:10, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, I believe and I owe you a drink and a pack of fine cigars 😊. Celestina007 (talk) 19:12, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Excellent suggestion, wish I could provide the real thing rather than this photo I found on Commons. Flickr - cyclonebill - Kaffe og cognac (1).jpg Netherzone (talk) 19:19, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Aminu Ala
Hi, care to take a look at Aminu Ala? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 20:53, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, sorry I’m just replying, I just got back from work and it’s 2:03am in Nigeria. So the sources used are in Hausa language, a language I paid good money to learn and speak. The first source is basically re-echoing what the singer said, which is he believes music to God shouldn’t be censored, that’s basically all it says in summary. The source, does call him famous/notable but fails to show how, needless to say WP:SIGCOV isn’t met so that’s a 0 towards establishing GNG. The second source is not even a source, The third source is an unreliable piece which has no byline and no reputation for fact checking. The fourth source, which is yet to develop a reputation for fact checking is negligible at best, but it however still calls him “famous”/“well known”. I think he is probably above WP:BARE but under WP:BASIC. I probably would just draftify the article or AFD it, both course of actions are very much plausible. The TP of the article creator is a cause for major concern. Celestina007 (talk) 01:19, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Anthony Ejefoh
Anthony Ejefoh is back for a 3rd (or possibly 4th or 5th?) time on Wikipedia. What are your thoughts? I've requested a WP:G4 deletion. UPE concerns from before still look to be present. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:34, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, Thanks for the notification Spiderone, sorry for just replying this now, I’m only just seeing it, I’ve been preoccupied with basketball throughout today. Okay so it looks like the G4 worked perfectly, Id take a look now and do some cross referencing and get back to you Spiderone. Celestina007 (talk) 22:48, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, thank you for the notification once again, you unknowingly have solved a major mystery for the collaborative project. Celestina007 (talk) 23:56, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! It's what I try to do. :) Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:47, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

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16:18, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

A long overdue Barnstar unto thee!

 * @, thanks mate. this is appreciated. Na All of us gather dey. Celestina007 (talk) 16:49, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


 * -- Abi oo. You're welcome! Kambai Akau (talk) 17:07, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey, I'm bathing here!
Yay! El_C 18:05, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, that wasn’t in any manner pragmatic so I had to just say it out loud.😎 Celestina007 (talk) 20:38, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey, it's better than a black. And again. And again. El_C 20:45, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, oh my fucking days 😂. Celestina007 (talk) 20:50, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Note of Appeal towards nomination placed against my submitted article.
@celestina007 and other Editors, please accept my apology and request. I'll forever owe you one.

Kindly let me hear from you on time. Thank you for understanding. Tondron24 (talk) 04:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, I presume you are referring to this; Articles for deletion/T. Ollyvar (musician). You can go there and !vote. See WP:AFDFORMAT and WP:AFDEQ. Furthermore per the very first edit made in this article, This edit to be precise, I assumed it was an autobiography and I praised you here for being honest about the fact that you created an autobiography but apparently per this entry I note that you make use of the words so presumably you are saying you aren't one and the same as the article's subject. In any case the underlying problem remains the article's subject is yet to satisfy WP:GNG. Creating an article from scratch is often said to be the hardest thing to achieve by a new editor, whilst this is arguably correct it isn’t necessarily true. Please read WP:GNG and WP:RS and once you understand both like I said here you would have crossed a major hurdle, the rest can be handled for you by any editor here. Like I said, start slowly, practice in your sandbox, observe more, if you want, bookmark the WP:TEAHOUSE, watch entries and their responses, correct typos in articles and gradually you’d become more acquainted with our policies and guidelines. Lastly, please you have nothing to apologize for. I wish the article's subject good luck on their musical career but right now they are not eligible to be retained on mainspace. I’m here to answer more questions from you If you still seek more information. Addendum: You know about Wikipedia by studying our WP:PAG, avenues such as Quora or Reddit and whatnot aren’t a reliable source of information to learn how to edit or create articles. Also this isn’t necessary, as we are all equal here, you don’t need to beg anyone. I also note that you want the article moved to your draftspace instead, that is doable and I can always change my !vote from Delete to Draftify, but I honestly do not view that as a viable solution.  Celestina007 (talk) 16:12, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I admit to close relation with the subject and probably have 'original informations' about the subject artist but I am not him.


 * 1. Thanks you @celestina007 for your time. It's really worth it, I feel welcome with your relaxed way of response and guidliness, I promise I'll go through them, I'm open to learning and getting better, well, I requested the article to be reverted to draftspace if peradventure the "deletion" would have effect on his article existing in Wikipedia later in future but if that won't be the case. You can have my vote to take it down too :) Every Community with its own rules and conditions and everyone should meet that if they want to use their service. I don't have a problem with wiki sticking to it's policies, I'm part of the system already. I'd rather prefer to do better and be bold later in the future to submit a "near to perfection" article but please revert it to draftspace if it will give any editor tough time writing his article later on. Thank you. Tondron24 (talk) 17:12, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


 * 2. I'll appreciate if you can talk about this Musical Artist from Nigeria: "Dremo" (Nigerian Rapper). He's my fav but unfortunately I find out his wiki page got DELETED. About Notability, he is but this is Wikipedia anyways, one can't believe they've figured it all out, one might just be wrong. I want to learn about the likely mistakes that happened and if it's safe to write about him again, I'll 'take my time' to read all the tags you sent and will love to be the ressurector of his article with concrete research if I'm safe to. Please Note: tbh, no close relationship with him, Dremo Tondron24 (talk) 17:19, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Lastly, with regards to number 2, I'll appreciate your time spent in explaining more about the subject (Dremo) article taken down, including future rewriting, all for educational purpose. Thank you @celestina007.Tondron24 (talk) 17:31, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, hello, you seem to be 28 days old, if you don’t mind my asking, how did you know the Dremo article was deleted? The deletion seems to have occurred way before your registration as an editor here. Please don’t respond if you do not want to. Celestina007 (talk) 21:18, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi @Celestina007, No please, you're free anytime to ask me anything, I'll answer you, you've been nice to me and professional enough communication-wise.


 * I pledge to be happy if you'll give me a benefit of doubt that every communication from my end, now and anytime is nothing else but the truth. Thanks.


 * Kindly learn this about me, I'm a music enthusiast (you're a thousand% free to track my further edits till future, you're most likely to observe I majorly revolve around Music/Entertainment Articles (but not limited to).


 * DREMO'S ARTICLE DELETION AND HOW I FOUND OUT: I'm 28 days here and 'this is my first account' . He's one of my musical fav, so I decided checking him out but unfortunately he doesn't seem to have a Wikipedia page.


 * This got me curious as to “why”. Cos every of his Associate acts all have one article or the other written about them and they've all been around for a long time, talmabout Notability, Dremo's notable.


 * I checked out Mayorkun (associate act: Dremo/Davido), all pages active. So I decide making more research as to why his page is missing cos something doesn't really seem to be sitting right. I came across sites like fandom etc (wiki like sites) and got one that says Dremo Article was deleted from Wikipedia which some more incomprehensible statements (I guess cos I'm new in the system, I hope I use accurate terms in due course)


 * WHY I ASKED YOU ABOUT THE ARTICLE.
 * 1. Felt comfortable talking to you about anything.


 * 2. Want to learn from the mistakes of past editors that might be helpful to me here.


 * 3. Want to know if his article will ever be allowed on Wikipedia later/again


 * 4. Asking in relation to T. Ollyvar (musician) article nominated for deletion. Like, does it mean once an article is deleted from the mainspace, even in the nearest future when the Subject gets notable enough for a standalone article. Does that mean they're forever banned? Taking 'Dremo' as a case study and no one else can start an article in that name afresh?


 * 5. Asking for self educational purpose. I live by learning from people's mistakes and rights doings, mistakes are part of growth and it can be inevitable at some points in our lives plus I'm open to being criticised constructively.


 * 6. If damages may happen, kindly revert T. Ollyvar (musician) to my draft space as other editors may someday write about him idk. It wouldn't be nice I started his article to make it difficult for him to have a Wikipedia article in the future from me/co-Editors


 * 7. If peradventure after series of learning more and further practices within Wiki, I may want to consider rewriting his page. (Dremo) sooner or later. N.B: Liking anybody doesn't mean I'll be bias in speech, if we are close associates, we can do all that in our private space but this is an organization, things should be formal ('neutral' in wiki's CoC), so I can be given a chance to write it and to make mistakes. Thank you for your time.


 * Lastly, I'll appreciate you ask me, learn, teach me and guide me on whatsoever, anytime because I feel the same towards you. Thank you @Celestina007 and God bless you. Tondron24 (talk) 05:54, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, Hello once again, If Dremo is your favorite musician and you want an article on him created you may want to go to WP:RA and include Dremo or you can ask any editor here to create it on your behalf. @ can be magical with articles and could always create the article for you if you ask him politely. He is a busy man though. Furthermore, please remember to always indent your entries. Addendum: An article can be recreated once the subject of the article satisfies our basic notability threshold. Celestina007 (talk) 10:30, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Wikimania
I saw this session is taking place at Wikimania and thought you might be interested: The achievement of Hausa Wikimedians. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 10:47, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, CSC, thanks for the notification. @, and are you guys interested? I believe your expertise pertaining the subject area could be valuable there. Celestina007 (talk) 15:41, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


 * -- Lol. Thanks for the invite, amiga. At the moment, I am trying to organize an In-person training event to recruit new editors for my mother tongue's project in the Incubator, Tyap Wikipedia (Wp/kcg). Just quite occupied, coupled with our unpopular phenomenon, NEPA and network wahala. U sabi as dem be na. That being that, I might not be available. 😔 Kambai Akau (talk) 16:20, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, Wahlai I fit relate to the NEPA and network issue, last last Na to pack go Dolphin estate go sure pass. But the Network problem dey affect everybody if you like go Ikoyi, ISP go still dey fall your hand. Oh well, Ostensibly It’s perfectly plausible why you can’t be present. Stay safe. Celestina007 (talk) 16:45, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


 * -- As in enh... Germany been gimi Visa make I come charge phone for dem country sef, but because say Naija na my nation, I say make dem fílẹ̀ bẹ, NEPA go soon bring lite plus I neva get owo to travu abi make I use plantain leaf? Mtchw. Dem come say OK, but dem miss me sha. Na so mata take kaput o my sista. (Na joke o🤣o). It's well sha. We will survive the troubles. Someday it'll be history. Stay safe too, friend.Kambai Akau (talk) 17:02, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, as country dey go so with all this civil war looming I go either relocate to Canada or join my family for USA or last last make I go back to India. As for the owo part, no worry, you know say I be half Indian abi? I get ancestry with Mayong (Assam) to be precise, and our juju here Na next level, I go just prepare one better Jazz for you wey you go use disappear and appear for any country of your choice just name the country and I go wire you the juju. 😂 Celestina007 (talk) 20:48, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Of course!, I will be there and I hope to see you too. I wanted to see how far what I have started have gone, what have we achieved and where are we heading..., but I am not going to speak in any of the sessions because I would be volunteering in other areas of the event. I'm planning to attend the whole event, starting tomorrow...   The Living love   talk 22:37, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, great! When CSC notified me, you both were the first to come to my mind due to your experience on the given topic areas. Celestina007 (talk) 22:56, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * -- Oshey! 🤗 I sabi Assam State for book, but jus sabi say im get place dem dey call Mayong. U no go believe wetin Mayong mean for my lingua, Household wey dey stand gidigba. True true. For the jazz part, u sabi on top the levo say me na Christ pikin na, my portion fi go to Ṣoworẹ and Igboho dem ☹️, I still dey my Papa corner. Canada say me no get work experience. I say yawa neva gas, I go go chop book for Germany wen cock finally crow. I hope say as the shoot-shoot for here start dem for dem kon3 no go use firewood take pursue me on top say my skin resemble who Baba create sprinko small shacoal dust join. Hmm. We keep hope alive sha say everi everi go nmaranma ooo, as u and Musty go dey jan dat time na 😥. Kambai Akau (talk) 07:13, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank You
Hello, : well I don't know if you do smile but I hope so, cos I'm smiling writing this.
 * I just saw your comment at the Nomination for Deletion Page of T. Ollyvar (musician) Yes you voted the article for Deletion (for the best, I understand) but I couldn't overlook your comment of positivity.


 * I pray he's gonna hit it big soon in his career and will worth being written about.


 * I bet you don't forget details and will surely take up his (T. Ollyvar) article personally whenever the time says Yes !. Please don't forget, I know you wouldn't.

For now, I'm making no request nor complaints, you can have some rest now. You're Awesome. Bye Bye. Tondron24 (talk) 22:50, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I’m flattered. As aforementioned the article can be recreated when it’s subject becomes notable. Allow me digress and go off topic, you see, there was a situation where a senior administrator here named exhibited extreme motherly love and extreme maturity to an editor like I have never seen before and I’d attempt to do what she did, your very first edit to that article makes it clear you attempted to write an autobiography and this is no abomination and would not get you into any kind of trouble if you tell the truth, I promise you, no harm would come your way and when you tell the truth you find it very liberating, Keep this is mind moving forward. once again I wish the subject of that article good luck on their chosen career path. Celestina007 (talk) 09:00, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, it appears the Nigerian musician who goes by the name Dremo has been sky blue locked. Thus an RA won’t work. Contacting the system operator who salted the Dremo article is your best and only option now if you intend to see it created. Celestina007 (talk) 10:03, 14 August 2021 (UTC)


 *  thanks so far in this communication journey! Thanks for all the lessons, however, I left a message on my Talk Page Labelled "last Message" not by death please lol it's all for good... the message is really a long one, please read when you can, but I'll appreciate your reply. I'm sorry, I may not reply back but whatever you say, Just know I saw it and 'comprehended it.' Bye bye this time --Tondron24 (talk) 15:05, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Don’t leave, I encourage you not to, having your first article created nominated for deletion can be quite discouraging. My first three articles here were all sent to AFD. All the articles survived though but nonetheless I appreciate your frustration. Understanding GNG is what is most imperative, and if you can provide us with three solid refs see WP:3REFS in the very minimum, the article can be recreated at a later time and if you find those sources and link them me to them I’d change much my vote accordingly. So rather than leave, you can always leave me a message on my TP when you are confused or if you have just created an article and are unsure of the notability status, you see, I’ve a near perfect ability at analyzing sources (especially Nigerian sources) due to the constructive criticism made to me by my sat-guru @ which propelled me to study over and over what is contained in WP:RS and in time I became near perfect at source analysis, especially Nigerian sources. so rather than leave the community due to constructive criticism you can learn from it. As I stated above. you are welcome to leave me a message here. Furthermore you yourself can study all policies and guidelines and in time you would be extremely competent. Celestina007 (talk) 15:40, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

HELP I AM NOT OUTING ANYONE
I am only seeking help with some abusive editors. Nothing in my question in Teahouse outing anyone. The editor I am concerned with has already publicly disclosed his comments outside of wikipedia and I did not name anyone. I am seeking help and I thought Teahouse was for that purpose. Should I post it on my talk page instead? I was given advice to use WP ANI so I will do that ok? I am trying to be sure I do not break any wikipedia rules and get banned or blocked forgive me if I post on the wrong page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toddmeagher (talk • contribs)
 * From your post at the Teahouse (from where I was pinged by Celestina) I would agree that you have not outed anyone. I've come closer myself, in the past, to be honest! I'm not sure I can offer you much solace or advice beyond what has already been said. Namely, that if you have concerns about one or more users editing an article about you, then going to WP:ANI with examples (we call them DIFFS) of bad faith edits they've made would help. Because everything on Wikipedia should, ideally, be supported by a citation, if you want to challenge the accuracy or anything said on the page (or request removal of controversial information that is not supported by a Reliable Source, then the place to raise those concerns is on the article's talk page.
 * You have two ways to do this: You could simply make a normal edit there, stating what is wrong, and suggesting an exact form of words to put in its place - supported by a citation, of course. For pages like this one which doesn't have that many 'watchers' monitoring it, any request might go unnoticed. Whilst even the subject of an article is entitled to remove blatantly false and wholly unsupported controversial statements, the best way to get changes made is to make a formal 'edit request'. You still do this on the talk page but, if you follow the guidance at WP:EDITREQUEST, by using the 'edit request template' you will draw the attention of other editors quite quickly, who can then assess the merits of your request.
 * I also sense there are issue beyond this - some of them off-wiki, into which we cannot be drawn. You are aware of WP:NOLEGALTHREATS and possibly WP:HARASS. If someone is trying to get at you through bad edits, then we can address the bad faith edits and block a user for harassment. Equally, threats made on wiki against other users are also taken seriously. So, best advice is never act rashly; try to raise issues calmly (as you have done); do not attempt to make edits to articles about you directly; and steer clear of identifying other users, which you also appear to have avoided doing. As volunteers, we will all try to work to ensure that Wikipedia presents content in a neutral, encyclopaedic tone, and that anything controversial about a living person - or likely to be challenged as unsubstantiated - is either removed immediately, or cited to proper, independently-published sources, and never to blogs, Twitter or other forms of self-published content. I hope this reply assists you a little bit. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:57, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Nick!Toddmeagher (talk)

Gauntlet?
Hey, just saw you at Sockpuppet investigations/Deplug1 and was about to comment that you're not using the "Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments" section, but it seems you're not an admin. Ever thought about running the gauntlet and changing that? ~TNT (talk) 22:42, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, ha! Thanks for the kind words, if I RFA and it’s successful it would greatly diminish my chances of tackling UPE, my philosophical stance may change overtime, but as of now I’m grateful to just carry out my anti spam/upe work within my capacity. Thanks TNT, i really do appreciate your trust and that of the community as a whole and I’m indeed flattered by this. Celestina007 (talk) 23:16, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * your anti-spam/UPE work could be helped by the extra buttons in my opinion, but I certainly can't blame you for not wanting to endure the fun of RfA! On the anti-spam/UPE side of things, please do consider joining Meta's Wikiproject:Antispam - these things do tend to affect the projects as a whole and your experience could be of great help. Keep up the amazing work, and feel free to drop me a message if and when you change your mind. You've got a nomination here ~TNT (talk) 23:25, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, thanks once more for the kind words, you are correct, the extra buttons would indeed be imperative but someone has to do the very dirty work of tackling UPE, if I’m an admin I would be too conscious of this to do the hard work required. Although I have chosen of recent to as much as possible follow ADMINCOND, I have had issues in the past where I have been rather abrasive to suspected UPE editors (which has landed me at ANI twice) even though I was correct, I could have handled things in a more friendly manner. I intend to get to a point wherein I tackle UPE in a very calm and less confrontational manner befitting of a senior editor. I’m a work in progress(every editor is) and each day I learn new things. I would join Wikiproject:Antispam as you have suggested, thanks again for the kind words TNT, I appreciate them. Celestina007 (talk) 23:37, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Celestina, Admins do only as much admin work as they want to do in whatever areas they want to work in. You don't have to think of it as something intimidating, or something which would require you to be responsible for all of WP. I find it helpful in dealing with UPE to be able to immediately delete the worst nonsense myself, and to check on previously deleted versions. Most admins who do this also use the ability to block--I generally don't, unless the person is really becoming a nuisance, because a upe will just comeback under another username. And I find it helpful to sometimes say, "As an administrator, I advise you that...."-- it doesn't mean all that much but it sometimes impresses people into behaving or at least going away.  You do need to be careful to always speak softly, but it makes it easier to speak softly and still get results.   The only other thing you would need to watch out for is other people asking you to do things; some admins discourage that, I encourage that, and it is true that people would probably find you a good person to ask also. But you're right about the tone of RfAs, though the last few have been better.  Suggestion: think about it again in 6 months.  DGG ( talk ) 21:39, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, thanks for the kind words I do not take them for granted especially coming from you. On and off wiki this would be 5th time a sysop would ask me to RFA adding retired sysops and a regular editor, that would make it 7 times, I may never RFA(never say never) but if my philosophy changes and i choose to RFA, I’d notify you and the other 4 sysops and 2 regular editors who have asked me to RFA. Right now I’m just trying to attain the temperament of yourself,, (he literally never gets angry) , , , , ,   , , and  to name a few. I’m going to  help within my capacity for now. My master  (I’m part Indian so referring to your (teacher) as master/guru comes natural to us/me(I reside in Nigeria though)  @ wrote an essay WP:MUSHROOM effect, in a nutshell it say  I feel that applies to me on so many levels, the first being I would be too conscious of my admin status to do the dirty digging required in exposing UPE.  I’m no longer young and I’m old enough to be mature and conduct myself as a senior editor should or (ought to) even when exposing UPE. In the last ANI that involved me  showed diffs I made in the past and honestly I was unimpressed with my  choice of words and I couldn't even believe I made such acerbic comments, I realized last month that my mistakes were that I’ve been mirroring a female editor here(she accidentally created “Celestina007” that is, by virtue of just encountering her, she created who Celestina is today(and I’m eternally grateful to them) Subconsciously and subliminally I considered them a role model, I felt if a woman can be this productive, I can equally be productive also but I have come to realize that I’m not them and that my uniqueness as “C007” (a sobriquet) bestowed on me by '  is more than enough. Thanks once again for the kind words. Celestina007''' (talk) 23:33, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You were doing so well, and I also think you have high admin potential. But then you said I felt if a woman can be this productive, I can equally be productive. Oh dear...I'm sure you mean that as self-analytical, but it did come across very well, and seemed a little dismissive of women in general. This is something that is absolutely essential to avoid - even by accident. There are of course many, many women here on Wikipedia who are extraordinarily productive and have immense knowledge - something that I can only ever aspire to, probably just like you. Best wishes Nick Moyes (talk) 09:03, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, Thanks for pointing that out, that didn’t come out the way I thought it would and I can see how many people would not relate to what I said. I was speaking from the perspective of a “woman” living in a third world country(but that’s no excuse) where we are taught to be “successful but not too successful” so in 2016 it was an epiphany for me to discover a platform where the playing field is balanced. Any other interpretation other than that is not what I intended and I take responsibility for that. I have my philosophical views on Adminship and do not see myself RFA in the foreseeable future, “When the student is ready, the master appears” is a quote anyone who has dabbled in occultism is familiar with, so until such a time I feel the extra buttons would be imperative, for now, I am very satisfied with just carrying out my anti UPE duties, new page reviewing and Teahouse hosting. Thank you again for pointing that out, many who saw that would have come to a wrong conclusion and rather than ask me to expatiate, would have have been prejudiced towards me. So Nick Moyes thanks once again for pointing that part out. I’d see you at the Teahouse, my lunch break is over and I’m headed back to my office. Celestina007 (talk) 13:45, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

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Best wishes for a speedy recovery
Hi. Sorry to hear you got hurt. Just briefly, in answer to your question: I found out about the socking after SQL ran a CU ~12 hours after my block yesterday (which was for unrelated reasons). Feel better! El_C 16:13, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, Thanks mate. I appreciate the love and support. I’m honestly short of words, at this juncture I’m not sure how the project would let him back in, im not even sure how the community can handle this one perhaps only asking for forgiveness is the only way I see him getting unblocked. In fact the indef is even more justified. I’m merely horribly wounded in the knee, the pain is much but that is incomparable to mental pain/stress I believe JPL is feeling. so it’s like I said, it is left for the community to forgive him, I wouldn’t have envisaged a day would come where I’d had to plead for an editor who is caught engaging in sock puppetry but that is where we are at now, IAR and forgiveness is the only way I see this ending. Celestina007 (talk) 16:37, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Celestina007, honestly, as I noted on my talk page last night before turning in, I know so little about JPL and his body of work, and to the best of my recollection, yesterday was the first time we spoke. I just ran into this by way of RfPP (then ANI), so I'm quite a bit in the dark about what many seem to already be privy to. FWIW. //Sending some healing thoughts your way! El_C 17:39, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If you'd indulge me a bit further, related to your original query: the reason I never went for the CU or OS permissions is because the added rulesets involved always felt like it'd be taxing. I feel like my plate is full enough already, what, with spamming about Cow Man and so on... El_C 17:52, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, I still remain dazzled, dazed and im currently quite distraught with this situation and frustrated that JPL engaged in sock puppetry. it’s a difficult situation to be honest. EC, your indef block is very much justified. Having said, JPL does indeed do good work with categories and has over 300k plus edits to substantiate the fact that he indeed does good work and has zeal. I believe he means well for the collaborative project. He clearly has devoted his time in serving this collaborative project, but I really do not know how this would turn out I already feel bad for any sysop handling the unblock appeal. At first, When I read 's, rationale for declining, I felt that was an extremely bizarre reason to decline but having meticulously read what had transpired, I now understand and fully appreciate why HIBC had to quickly “wash their hands” of that appeal. This current JPL situation is “ too hot to handle” in any case you did what was right and I can only hope the community is kind enough & allows him back. Seeing him beg passionately made me feel terribly sad. His TPA has been revoked and can only be restored after the expiration of seven days, I have emailed him and would continue to do so until he has regained his talk page access. Celestina007 (talk) 00:13, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Bless you
I am so sorry you came back to this after such a terrible injury and I am sending my positive thoughts your direction for a swift recovery. I know and understand the unbelievably difficult situation this puts you in. JPL was very kind towards me once too and I have tried to repay that to him throughout our interactions. I know what he is experiencing and it has placed a significant burden on those who have dealt with him and consider him a friend. I am very concerned that every step, while I agree that they were warranted and the ones initiating them did so with the best of intentions, is only serving to further deepen the depressive state JPL finds himself in. I am genuinely concerned for his safety. Many still do not understand the complexities of autism or how it is manifested in each individual differently. It is the same for most other disorders when you take into account all the genetic and environmental factors. I know we have standards and we expect every editor to follow them. That's the most difficult part of this. We expect a one size fits all approach when that just doesn't comply with reality in the real world we all experience outside of Wikipedia. It's easy to say this should be a hobby and we all should be able to just walk away. I genuinely believe JPL has made Wikipedia his world to escape to and get away from the realities he faces every day with his disorder. I'm just not sure how he will respond to having that taken away so abruptly. That worries me. Some may look at your request and view it as something other than what it is, a plea for a friend. I see it though and I admire you for it. -- A Rose Wolf  16:49, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ARoseWolf, please redact anything in the above that speaks about neurodiverse as a "disorder" and any other related psych analyses. I don't think it's appropriate, regardless where one stands wrt the Neurodiversity_paradigm. Thank you. El_C 17:28, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Redacted per request and out of the abundance of respect for diversity of opinion. -- A Rose Wolf  17:31, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I will note that if you look up neurodiverse paradigm you will probably see my picture and life story under it so where I personally stand on it is yes, affectionately. -- A Rose  Wolf  17:41, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * We are like-minded, then. El_C 17:54, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * lmao @, @ oh my! You two 😂. Thanks @, I’m very grateful for the love and positive energy you are channeling towards me. In all this, I take responsibility for my bad injured knee, I constantly played basket ball knowing fully well it could cripple me due to my medical condition. I shouldn't have stressed my knee. I have just been told that I may never play Basketball again. As for JPL I really feel bad for him, I have always defended him numerous times, Infact I always going to oppose an indefinite block but once I observed sock puppetry was in the mix, I honestly didn’t know what to do as that is a major violation. My absence did worry me as I know UPE would have grown exponentially since my admission at the hospital thankfully my friend and my colleague  are equal to the task. Whilst admitted in the hospital I did worry about the Teahouse but I was immediately calmed knowing you,, ,  & , are more than capable of handling things at the Teahouse. Once more thank you and I do appreciate the love. Celestina007 (talk) 18:41, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It will all work out in the end. I believe everything has been done that can be done. Sockpuppetry is a serious thing. It's why I have cautioned some about accusations of it when there was no clear evidence to support it. I, too, feel bad for JPL. I hope he knows he does have those here that support him even if we can't support violations of policy. That's really what it comes to. Personally, I won't support an indef block or ban but I did want to let him know that there are things he will most likely have to do and be held to if he returns. As always I tried to do this in kindness and with the upmost respect for him and also the community. I am so humbled by the fact you included me with some amazing editors that I have followed on the Teahouse for quite some time now. Cullen is one of my profoundly favorites and Colin, 331dot and Nick are so informative and clear with their explanations. This encyclopedia is really blessed to have so many incredible people here volunteering their time and efforts. If it's love you appreciate then I send more of to you. Please take care of that knee and recover well. If I can ever help with anything just let me know, okay? -- A Rose Wolf  19:00, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, thanks my friend, I just noticed I made a shit load of grammatical errors and typos in my earlier responses to you, I have corrected them. That’s a side effect of general anaesthesia and lord knows I hate making typos. Thanks once more dear friend I’d be sure to ask you for help whenever I’m in need of it. Celestina007 (talk) 21:59, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for mentioning and pinging me, Celestina007: I was surprised, because I had no idea either what this was about (I don't remember ever encountering JPL) or that you had been injured. I echo others' wishes for a speedy recovery, and I also want to acknowledge the way you are striving to be a peacemaker. --ColinFine (talk) 20:51, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, thanks dear friend, I have a medical condition and playing basketball only made it worse(plus I’m not so young anymore) I was badly injured and almost crippled but I’m recovering and I’m thankful for the love you all have shown me. As for JPL, he holds a special place in my heart as he was one of the people to show me kindness, himself and during my early days of editing Wikipedia. I really am concerned about his mental health. I really am, and I feel horrible that I’m not physically with him to him to guide him through this phase. Hopefully all would end well. Celestina007 (talk) 21:59, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi I saw my name mentioned. Oof I did not know you were hurt Celistina, and hope you get better soon. So OK C. and User:El_C, I don't know much about what's going on here, but so we have this person, JPL, who I don't know, but one one thing is, he's got a really long editing career, and you say he does good work and has zeal, and then I mean he says "Wikipedia is my whole life. It is the one thing in my life where I actual make useful contributions to the world." But then he's behaving badly right now I gather. But even so there's got to be some way forward that includes this guy continuing to be here, some way some how.


 * Firing people is tough, but sometimes it has to be done. But I mean, at the end of the day, fuck Wikipedia. You know? It's a website. It's a website. Sure its popular and useful, but it's not really that important and its not going to last forever. Probably not that long. Something's going to supersede it. And I mean we're not going to be more profitable if JPL isn't here. We're not going to get raises.


 * JPL needs the community to forgive him? Hey I forgive him. I don't even know what he did exactly, but I forgive him. Holy shit I've had to forgive a whole lot worse stuff in my life than somebody screwing around on some website. Oh no a sockpuppet on a website, would you rather he abused his family or was a traitor or took half his employees' tips. If you find anybody who won't forgive him send her over to me, I'll set her straight, or try.


 * User:El_C I'm totally NOT criticizing you or anybody here (and I don't know the details of the case anyway). I totally get it that none of us can save the world and so what we do is keep our own little corner working and happy and efficient. And that's important too. User:El_C I'm sure you or the admin corps or whomever are doing what you need to do and probably with skill and empathy, you're well thought of here and with good reason I would think. And I mean sometimes people just behave worse as time goes on and it's making other people unhappy and maybe that's happening here, and it's important that other people not be unhappy too and so maybe there's no good path forward. I'm just.... There's got to be a way to make this work for JPL. There's just got to. Damn. I don't have any good ideas tho. I'm certainly willing to help if I can, work with the guy if he'll let me or monitor his work or something. After all we have something important in common. I emailed him just now. If there's anything I can do... you can also email if you like. Herostratus (talk) 03:18, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ,, I was very concerned from the moment I saw the AN/I. We all know that no editor here has a perfect record and we all have experienced disagreements. My heart sank with the sockpuppets because that pushed it into a bad place. I forgive JPL completely for all of this and I hate what it became for both him and the community. Please let us know if he responds to your emails. I was very worried about him being banned from editing and then when he couldn't use the talk page as an outlet I became extremely concerned. I don't blame any action, sanction or otherwise taken but I do believe it has had the opposite affect from what it was intended to be. I am intimately acquainted with dark places and the affect feeling abandoned can have on a person. I really, really, really hope JPL is okay and has heeded my advice to find something that is calming and give his attention to it to get through this period in time. -- A Rose Wolf  15:08, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , oh yes, I would definitely do so. Celestina007 (talk) 19:58, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

A pic for you! Feel better soon
I hope your knee feels better soon, and that the pain is not too bad, dear. Here's a picture for you to meditate on: microcrystals of minerals in water. Water, minerals, amino acids, proteins, and all that connective tissue - the body has such an amazing ability to heal itself. Be well Celestina, thinking of you. Netherzone (talk) 00:38, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * . Beautiful branching fractals! El_C 03:36, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Pretty blues, browns and purples and even some red splotches. It's very beautiful. -- A Rose Wolf  15:12, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , thank you so much for this show of love, I’m slowly recovering. Thanks again NZ. Thanks for the pic it’s beautiful. Celestina007 (talk) 19:51, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

You've got mail!
Pahunkat (talk) 09:24, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, This is to acknowledge that I have indeed seen the email and would reply soon. I’m currently trying to mitigate/mediate in a rather serious issue here. Celestina007 (talk) 23:21, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem Celestina007, it's not urgent. Like everyone else, wishing you the best of luck for a speedy recovery. Pahunkat (talk) 10:15, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, please could you be so kind as to resend the email? My inbox is very crowded and for the life of me I can’t seem to locate the mail, which is as annoying as it puzzling because I saw it two days ago. Celestina007 (talk) 21:09, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I've resent it Celestina007 - thankfully I had a copy in my inbox. Pahunkat (talk) 13:23, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Warm wishes
I hope that you recover from your injury quickly, and I also want to thank you for your compassionate remarks on JPL's talk page. I feel very bad about the situation and am worried about him. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  17:01, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, thanks for the show of concern. I feel bad for JPL. He is a dear friend of mine(a brother even) I’m optimistic that all would pan at well. Celestina007 (talk) 18:44, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I have just emailed him he hasn’t responded, I really do hope all is okay with him. Celestina007 (talk) 22:44, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I was checking back the discussions on JPL talk page (thank you for the kind remarks there), and just read that you got hurt, and horribly! Hope your recovery is going well. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:58, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, thanks mate. I’m recovering, I appreciate the show of concern. Thank you my friend. Celestina007 (talk) 22:05, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello
Hello Celestina, seem like ages. Looks like so much has happened while I was away. I needed to take that break. Had to restrain myself from viewing my watchlist, so as not be tempted to edit. More importantly, I am glad with what you've done with WikiProject Nigeria. Takes a service-oriented Wikipedian to come up with those initiatives. HandsomeBoy (talk) 11:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, My oga at the top! the project has missed your input, I personally have missed you, I keep checking your userpage and monitoring your tp for any activity, anything! Something! I’m glad you are back, it would be great if my other oga at the top @ could return as well. My Presido, I remain loyal sir. 🙌 Celestina007 (talk) 22:41, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for the kind words, you always make me smile. I missed your teamwork and tenacity, looking forward to greater engagements with you.HandsomeBoy (talk) 16:46, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, I Dey ya side my oga. 😊 Celestina007 (talk) 20:54, 8 August 2021 (UTC)