User talk:Celtus/Archive 2009 July

Deletion review for Surnames by Country
The discussion for Categories for discussion/Log/2009 June 6 in which you participated was closed as delete and is now under review at Deletion review/Log/2009 June 25. Your participation and input is invited. Alansohn (talk) 05:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Clan badges
Dear Celtus,

I would like to know the name of the Clans (1-5), so I can name the badges correctly before I upload them.


 * 1) A cat-a-mountain sejuant guardant Proper, his dexter fore-paw on the ground, his sinister in a guardant posture and his tail reflexed under his sinister paw. image
 * 2) A cat sejant Proper. image
 * 3) A demi-cat-a-mountain rampant guardant Proper, grasping in his dexter paw a serpent Vert, langued Gules, its tail environing the sinister paw. image
 * 4) A cat-a-mountain sejant rampant Proper. image
 * 5) A grey demi-cat-a-mountain salient, on his sinister foreleg a Highland targe Gules. image

Sorry it took so longSodacan (talk) 06:49, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I am not a Sock Puppet
I want to make it quite clear that I am not a "sock puppet" of Mjgm84 !. I have edited some of the same articles but there are are loads of articles I have contributed to. I do not use copyright material. The work I write always has a proper source quoted for it, most of the time a book which I have gone to the effort of reading and making notes from. I contribute mainly to Scottish related articles including Mormaer of Moray and recently Clan Robertson to mention just two. The list goes on Clan Sutherland, Clan Grant, Clan Mackay etc... Always quoting references and not just the Munro article you mention. I am not the same user as Mjgm84. QuintusPetillius (talk) 18:46, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * What about the Battle of Harlaw article? IPs just coming out of the blue like that and voting against merging the two articles. Battle of Dingwall only gets a couple hits a day, and it only consists of two simple paragraphs basically saying 'Donald fought Angus Dubh Mackay at Dingwall just prior to the battle at Harlaw'. Those IPs are practically identical as those tied to you and one even had the same spelling mistake. Considering the IPs, and all the articles, and everything, you and Mjgm84 are connected. How can that all be a coincidence? You tried to influence that Harlaw discussion by deception. I asked you (that IP) if you were QuintusPetillius and you tried to cover it up by using another IP address. But you only confirmed everything and lost credibility. You could have come clean right then.--Celtus (talk) 06:53, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok on the Battle of Harlaw article I didn't do that thing with the IP's I have no way of doing that. Also, I am not really bothered if the Battle of Dingwall article is merged with the Harlaw article. It could actually be a good move as long as there is at least a paragraph to mention the Dingwall battle, prior to the main battle at Harlaw. I want to make it quite clear that I am not a sock puppet of Mjgm84. It is my passion to contribute about all things Scottish here on wikipedia, particuarly about the clans. I only add info If I can find a good book to use as a source, therefore I am not like Mjgm84 who added copyright info from web sites!. QuintusPetillius (talk) 16:31, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * All i can say is that the evidence makes me think you are all the same. I know you (QuintusPetillius) haven't had problems with copyvios or civility or anything like that. The issue is those IPs on the Harlaw page appear to be yours. And that you and those IPs appear to Mjgm84 and his IPs. I know coincidences can happen, but i don't think this is just a coincidence.--Celtus (talk) 06:47, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No you are mistaken, I only have one IP which I can show you if you want. Those other IP's arn't mine. What on earth makes you think they are me ? Just because they have edited the same articles ? Those other IP's are not me. QuintusPetillius (talk) 15:03, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Look at at the history of Donald Munro of Foulis. QuintusPetillius started the article on 20 February 2008, the next 5 edits occur the next day and come from 195.137.40.252, these are followed by only 2 mins later an edit by QuintusPetillius. Coincidence? That article only gets 1-3 hits a day. Come on man.... Look at the history of Sir Robert Munro, 5th Baronet, the only accounts who added content to it are QuintusPetillius, Psycotics1454 and Mjgm84. On on occasion QuintusPetillius has a string of 5 edits within minutes of each other, these are followed by a string of edits from 195.137.40.252 which occur 1 minute after QuintusPetillius's, these in turn are followed by a string of edits by 195.137.40.252 again only 2 minutes later. Another coincidence? That article only gets about 2-3 hits a day. The same thing type of thing happens on other articles and every IP looks the same as Mjgm84/Psycotics1454 ones.--Celtus (talk) 05:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah Celtus, there is a completely honest explaination for the IP on the Donald Munro of Foulis article. IP 195.137.40.252 was my old IP address and as you can see I forgot to sign in a few times when editing. I have since moved house and have a new IP address which is: 83.67.74.227. Now there is no connection whatsoever with my IP or previous IP with Mjgm84. No connection to the sock puppet at all and that is the honest truth. The other IP address of mine is 195.137.38.102. But once again there is absolutley no connection with any of these IP addresses and the sockpuppet Mjgm84. I live in London, UK which has a population of over 9 million people. Its possable that the sock puppet is in London too but it definatley is not me. I'd like to be cleared from the sock puppet investigation so I can carry on with my good contributions. QuintusPetillius (talk) 16:14, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's over and done with. There's no point in me pressing this any further or of us even discussing this. I wouldn't edit here if i didn't think it was fun and i bet it is the same for you. I hope you don't have to feel like you need to defend yourself or anything like that, because you don't need to.--Celtus (talk) 06:02, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Crest badges
Hey Celtus, Czar Brodie said to speak to you about this. I was wondering if someone could come up with a clan crest badge for the Clan Munro article. It has the chief's shield but not the clan badge. Thanks, QuintusPetillius (talk) 16:59, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. I just added one to the article.--Celtus (talk) 05:19, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks it makes the article look more complete. QuintusPetillius (talk) 16:10, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * OK. I think its possible we could get a better crest somewhere. If you ever come across a line drawing of the crest element ('an eagle perching') that can be used by wikipedia and that could be turned into svg format, we could use that within the crest badge image instead. I like this one better (pictured) but haven't been able to turn it into a suitable image for the the black-and-white crest badges yet.--Celtus (talk) 04:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Done: here:- Eagle perching.svg Yours ever, Czar Brodie (talk) 15:39, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Brodie, it looks great. I've added it to the badge.--Celtus (talk) 04:48, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Cornish national tartan
Hi Celtus,

I know you do great free-to-use swatches of Scotch tartans. I was wondering if you'd be willing and able to produce one for the Cornish national tartan? A google search throws up loads of source material. I'm hoping to use it for a possible revamp of the Cornish people page I'm working on. :) --Jza84 | Talk  00:09, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Its easy, the real trick is finding the thread counts for them. Then you can go to this site and make the image. It lets you get the right shades with colour-codes. I've got a buggy photoshop plugin that makes ones with more texture (File:MacGregor Red & Black (aka Rob Roy Macgregor) tartan.png) but sometimes it wont work on certain thread counts, unfortunately including this one.--Celtus (talk) 08:47, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow! Thank you Celtus, much appreciated. I will try to weave this in (no pun intended!), to User:Jza84/Sandbox5 asap. --Jza84 | Talk  22:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem.--Celtus (talk) 04:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Clan Armstrong
Hello Celtus, I notice that the page of Clan Armstrong has a banner at the top saying that the somewhat meager entry needs fleshing out. I'd like to get to that at some point soon. I haven't contributed much to the Scottish clan entries as I spend most of my time on English and American history. Would you mind having a look at it when I'm done to make sure that I haven't made any glaring errors? Thanks. I hope to get to it within the next week or so. Regards, MarmadukePercy (talk) 05:18, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure.--Celtus (talk) 05:57, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

"more esteemed than Sorley Boy"
Hi Celtus, I have put a response at Talk:Owen MacEoin Dubh MacAlister. It was listed in the Annuals of the Four Masters for 1571. Regards --Newm30 (talk) 02:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, i've replied there.--Celtus (talk) 05:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, just rechecked my source and other sources. Something appears to be wrong. Will try and find sources asap. Teach me for doing edits at 1am and tired. Regards --Newm30 (talk) 10:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Sincere apologies on MacDonald of Sleat question.
Hi Celtus,

I am really sorry not to have gotten back to you sooner. Ironically, on the day you posted your question my family left for a trip to England and. . . Scotland. Since we returned it's taken me a couple of weeks to get back to Wikipedia. We actually visited a MacDonald castle and museum at Armadale in Sleat on Skye. The castle dated only from about 1800 and was destroyed by fire less than fifty years later. I did pick up the museum guidebook, but it oddly doesn't have anything about MacDonald of Sleat specifically. It's mostly about the Lords of the Isles.

I own Scottish Clan and Family Encyclopedia but it gives no plant badge in its entries for either Sleat or Macdonnell of Glengarry. Macdonald of MacDonald is "heather" (p. 208) and Macdonald of Clanranald is "Common heather" (p. 210). No other MacDonald subgroups are listed. I also own the seminal work on the Macdonalds, "Clan Donald" by the late Donald J. Macdonald of Castelton. This used to be rather rare but I see it has recently been reprinted, although still not inexpensive. This book has slightly more than 30 pages on Macdonald of Sleat. I don't see anything about a plant badge, although I only did a cursory look. I suspect all the MacDonalds use heather as the badge. If you need anything else about the MacDonalds, as I say, I have the most detailed reference work I know of available to me at any time. If I spot anything else on the Sleat badge I'll get back to you. Hope all is going well. Regards. --Tomaterols (talk) 15:51, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Cat Badges
Hi

Sorry It took me so long for these, I was a little busy and was only able to do two until today. However there are still some problems I tried to get the mottoes right but somehow they just would not work on Inkscape, I suspect its because I use a Mac, so please help me finish them. Again I'm really sorry about this. Sodacan (talk) 11:03, 24 July 2009 (UTC)