User talk:CentralTime301/Archives/2019/December

Do requests to users or not
Is my talk page the place to ask requests to users to do edits or revert vandalism or constructive edits (or not)?  CentralTime301  ( Talk, Contributions ) 17:59, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Besides that, I have a request to Mvcg66b3r: restore his version of November 20, 2019 because a user has copyediting and removing sourced info from WNGH-TV; restore it here. I cannot undo it to the November 20 version because I am blocked.  CentralTime301  ( Talk, Contributions ) 17:33, 29 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Not really. Editors are strongly discouraged from editing articles at the direction/request of blocked editors. That said, if you see obvious vandalism and point it out, that would help convince us that you understand the vandalism guidelines. —C.Fred (talk) 17:41, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * That said, the diff you link appears to fix the problem in the article. Please provide a diff if somebody changed that (back) later. —C.Fred (talk) 17:43, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

But C.Fred, I cannot edit any page at all but my talk page.  CentralTime301  ( Talk, Contributions ) 17:42, 29 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Exactly. As I said, if you see obvious vandalism, point it out here. —C.Fred (talk) 17:44, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * C.Fred, I'm afraid this response will only encourage CentralTime301 to misuse this talk page to make proxy edit requests which will likely lead to their talk page access being revoked. CentralTime301 has not shown the competency or nuance required to make such requests and they really should be restricted to using this page for WP:GAB-compliant appeals only. The best way to demonstrate that they understand the vandalism guidelines would be to make themselves useful on another project, then to return here after some time to request an unblock with pointers to the helpful edits they've made elsewhere.-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 17:48, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Ponyo that leads me to use an unblock template; besides it is only once.  CentralTime301  ( Talk, Contributions ) 17:52, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Then maybe better to be consistent and do it zero times instead of once. —C.Fred (talk) 17:55, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * And to that end, I'm going to say that any conversation on this page needs to be about your conduct and not attempts to get live edits made. Beyond that, I would say to spend the next few months active on another project and come back then to make an unblock request with pointers to the helpful edits elsewhere or with a second chance request. —C.Fred (talk) 18:00, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * One last olive branch: would you like to withdraw that unblock request you made, rather than have me reject it? —C.Fred (talk) 18:02, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I know we often disagree about whether a blocked user should be given another chance, but in this case, your comments, in my view, are far too encouraging. I think Beeblebrox was lenient when he blocked the user for a year rather than indefinitely. The burden should be on CT to demonstrate sufficient competence and judgment to edit Wikipedia. Nonetheless, the purpose of Beeblebrox's one-year block was for CT not to request an unblock now or a few months from now but to wait the year in the hope that increased maturity would enable CT to edit constructively. I'm tempted to revoke TPA if CT's absurd comments (I mean, really, look at the unblock request) continue.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:10, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * My initial hope was that CT could demonstrate competence through such requests and pointing things out. However, between the follow-on conversation and the unblock request, I don't think that's going to be possible. Hence why I've backed off and said that CT really needs to wait, learn, and mature for a while (six months is the standard) before making any further attempts to get unblocked. —C.Fred (talk) 18:17, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Report IP address for vandalising my talk page
Can some admin block this IP address for vandalizing my talk page? (For indefinite?)  CentralTime301  ( Talk, Contributions ) 02:14, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * We don't block IPs indefinitely, but I have blocked them. I've also reprotected this page, this time for two weeks.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:18, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

I know why I was blocked
I now know the answer why I was blocked! It is because of my silly and kind of bad contributions, and because of WP:RADAR, I was blocked for 1 year by Beeblebrox!  CentralTime301  ( Talk, Contributions ) 16:00, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

I have one huge reason why
I have one huge reason why I was blocked because of you. It is because I wasn't responding to any messages from multiple users and that you said there were multiple issues because of me. Those users have tried to guide me but failed anyway because it hasn't helped really much. The other is being that my edits need a closer review on WP:ANI; I thought there was gonna be a consequence for me because of this, and I had a 1 year block, which was the consequence in November 21. Because of this, I unfortunately did not even understood how to even use my talk page despite some other users trying to explain it to me, and which it was not a serious issue. I was making good edits such as good faith edits but the error pattern rate is really simply off the charts! I am really sorry for this and will not do it again.

P.S: this message is not a perceived need of editing thing and is only a message for Beeblebrox to explain it to him.  CentralTime301  ( Talk, Contributions ) 01:31, 19 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm not at all sure what your goal is with this message. If you want to appeal this block, I suggest you read the guide to appealing blocks and post a formal unblock request to be reviewed. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:49, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

December 2019

 * At least one previous unblock request has been removed from this page. ST47 (talk) 08:41, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * For context, it was archived by a bot. —C.Fred (talk) 14:36, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't think you're getting this. You can't just say "I won't be disruptive", or "I won't do anything wrong" - we're all human, we all make mistakes, but you need to show you have learned from the mistakes that lead to your block. It's not just about admitting you were a disruptive editor (Which I don't see you doing here) - it's about demonstrating you understand what exactly was disruptive about your behaviour prior, and how you intend to do better. Right now you're pretty much just saying "unblock me, please", with no rationale - that's not enough. -- a they/them &#124; argue &#124; contribs 11:32, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I might think I had made a few mistakes in my edits within months ago (and that I have read WP:GAB). I even left a message to .  CentralTime301  ( Talk, Contributions ) 13:47, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I have to say, with responses like this I cannot see your block being rescinded any time soon. It's really obvious that you do not understand what the problem is, or why it's a problem. Multiple editors have tried to explain this to you, at this point. -- a they/them &#124; argue &#124; contribs 13:52, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


 * just check my message above yours. It'll tell you the reason why. And that from now on I will not make mistakes in Wikipedia.  CentralTime301  ( Talk, Contributions ) 13:57, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Maybe we're reading different messages, because I cannot see anything in your unblock request which tells me you understand the impact that your behaviour had on other editors. You're wasting a lot of editors' time, energy, and good faith, here. -- a they/them &#124; argue &#124; contribs 14:04, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I agree with Alfie that there needs to be demonstration that you understand what was disruptive. One way to show this is to describe a specific edit you would make if unblocked: what article would you change, what text would you change, what would you change it to, and what reliable sources would you cite? This gives us something concrete we can look at, instead of vague promises to do better. —C.Fred (talk) 14:39, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

there are two reasons why: the first one being that there were recent disruptive edit warring with at WLNS-TV and that he said that "I" should be trouted and not him (that was disruptive, which caused  to block me in November and me having to do an unblock request this December). Anyway, the other being reverting vandalism and leaving messages to vandals (not disruptive), but I should just stick with the reverting and not leaving the warning template messages (from Special:RecentChanges).  CentralTime301  ( Talk, Contributions ) 15:23, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * If you'd be reverting vandalism but not leaving warning templates, that shows that you don't really understand what vandalism is or how it's problematic for Wikipedia. Based on that answer, you are not ready to be unblocked at this time. —C.Fred (talk) 17:27, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


 * On that note, CentralTime301 - Please read WP:INDENT. -- a they/them &#124; argue &#124; contribs 17:31, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

December 2019

 * At least one previous unblock request has been removed from this page. ST47 (talk) 08:41, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * For context, it was archived by a bot. —C.Fred (talk) 14:36, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The bot then archived & removed this most recent declined unblock request too. I have restored it, and changed the archive parameter to stop it doing so again until after the block has expired. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:50, 25 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't think you're getting this. You can't just say "I won't be disruptive", or "I won't do anything wrong" - we're all human, we all make mistakes, but you need to show you have learned from the mistakes that lead to your block. It's not just about admitting you were a disruptive editor (Which I don't see you doing here) - it's about demonstrating you understand what exactly was disruptive about your behaviour prior, and how you intend to do better. Right now you're pretty much just saying "unblock me, please", with no rationale - that's not enough. -- a they/them &#124; argue &#124; contribs 11:32, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I might think I had made a few mistakes in my edits within months ago (and that I have read WP:GAB). I even left a message to .  CentralTime301  ( Talk, Contributions ) 13:47, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I have to say, with responses like this I cannot see your block being rescinded any time soon. It's really obvious that you do not understand what the problem is, or why it's a problem. Multiple editors have tried to explain this to you, at this point. -- a they/them &#124; argue &#124; contribs 13:52, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


 * just check my message above yours. It'll tell you the reason why. And that from now on I will not make mistakes in Wikipedia.  CentralTime301  ( Talk, Contributions ) 13:57, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Maybe we're reading different messages, because I cannot see anything in your unblock request which tells me you understand the impact that your behaviour had on other editors. You're wasting a lot of editors' time, energy, and good faith, here. -- a they/them &#124; argue &#124; contribs 14:04, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I agree with Alfie that there needs to be demonstration that you understand what was disruptive. One way to show this is to describe a specific edit you would make if unblocked: what article would you change, what text would you change, what would you change it to, and what reliable sources would you cite? This gives us something concrete we can look at, instead of vague promises to do better. —C.Fred (talk) 14:39, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

there are two reasons why: the first one being that there were recent disruptive edit warring with at WLNS-TV and that he said that "I" should be trouted and not him (that was disruptive, which caused  to block me in November and me having to do an unblock request this December). Anyway, the other being reverting vandalism and leaving messages to vandals (not disruptive), but I should just stick with the reverting and not leaving the warning template messages (from Special:RecentChanges).  CentralTime301  ( Talk, Contributions ) 15:23, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * If you'd be reverting vandalism but not leaving warning templates, that shows that you don't really understand what vandalism is or how it's problematic for Wikipedia. Based on that answer, you are not ready to be unblocked at this time. —C.Fred (talk) 17:27, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


 * On that note, CentralTime301 - Please read WP:INDENT. -- a they/them &#124; argue &#124; contribs 17:31, 20 December 2019 (UTC)