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I see you reverted my edit to add a "navbar" to Template:Beethoven Piano Concertos. That's OK because I like the way your templates look and I'm a novice at creating them myself. One question, though. How should one add those "v.d.e" links to the edge of the header? Those are very handy, and I think most templates should have them (though I don't know how to add them without making the generating code messy). Thanks. DavidRF 22:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Mendelssohn Violin Concerto
OK. I have the Steinberg book. It has a five and a half page write-up which contains the following stuff which isn't already in the article:
 * Danish composer Niels Gade conducted the premiere. ✅
 * After the Joachim quote, it talks about Joachim's influential role in all four of the German violin concertos mentioned in the quote. Basically giving credibility to Joachim's ability to make a judgement of the four works. ✅
 * Mentions the "leaves me no peace" letter to David. Then talks about Mendelssohn taking a break from the composition for a couple of years.  Then it mentions David's role in helping Mendelssohn with the composition.  This advice/assistance of a violinist in the composition was a first for a major VC, but many cases would follow later (Brahms-Joachim, Bruch-Joachim, Dvorak-Joachim, Tchaikovsky-Kotek, Elgar-Reed, etc).  Steinberg then quotes from one of the Mendelssohn-David letters. ✅
 * Then the play-by-play from the first movement. The cadenza's location right before the recapitulation is noted as surprising and unusual.✅
 * There's a mention of the bridge passages and how they were designed to eliminate applause between movements. Though D.F. Tovey in 1921 wrote that in his forty years of concert going he had never heard "the most remarkable stroke of genius in this most popular of violin concertos".  So, evidently audiences of Tovey's day applauded between movements anyways. ✅
 * The sustained bassoon note is actually a B for a long time before the bassoon alone raises a half step to C. This serves to change keys between the E minor first movement and the C major second.✅
 * The passage between the second and third movements is described as a "tiny and wistful intermezzo, just fourteen measures long and having the character as well as the function of a recitative".

That's about it from Steinberg. Let me know if you need clarification on any of those points.DavidRF 05:43, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I added a link to the BBC Discovering Music series. If you haven't listened to it yet, check it out.  It might give you ideas for more stuff for the article.DavidRF 16:49, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The article looks nice. About the BBC series, you should figure out how to get your laptop to play those.  I don't know how much new stuff for the article you'll find, but they are a lot of fun to listen to.  DavidRF 00:25, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Beethoven Violin Sonatas Template
Hello, I see you've updated the Beethoven Violin Sonatas Template. I really like the look of the newer style templates. For the Beethoven templates, I think the Opus numbers should be used instead of the "numbers". There was a compromise way back when where the article titles were to have the numbers and templates were to have the opus numbers. See the templates on the Beethoven Piano Sonatas and the String Quartets. DavidRF 21:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Whether opus numbers or index numbers are used for Beethoven depends completely on the genre. Sure, people only use index numbers for the symphonies or piano concertos, but people only use opus numbers for the piano trios and string quartets.  As for piano sonatas, you do see the occasional index number, but -- in my reading anyways -- I certainly encounter "Op. 110" a whole lot more than I encounter "Piano Sonata No. 31". (See Talk:Piano Sonata No. 31 (Beethoven)).  My only preference for using index numbers in article titles is that it make for cleaner and easier to standardize wiki-links.


 * The purpose of the navbox is indeed to make navigation easier. The best-case scenario would be if the navbox contained whatever information is needed to help the user which perhaps means that in some cases both index & opus number may need to be present -- though its a challenge to do (and in some cases add the key) without the navbox becoming too cluttered.  Its in these cases where the navbox doesn't really need to conform to a universal standard.  It doesn't need to include the same information for all types of works.  Opus numbers could be present for some genres (string quartets & piano sonatas) and missing for others (piano concertos & symphonies). DavidRF 15:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Templates
I saw that you blanked a couple of classical music templates. In those circumstances, it's actually better to nominate them for deletion. Blanking them doesn't actually do anything in terms of getting a page deleted. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 07:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah. Those were cats. Sorry for the misinformation. Yeah best bet is to just put them up for deletion. Been here a long time. 80% of the time, the page will be deleted. If you just blank it, it just takes up space, essentially. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 23:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * And if the category has been blank for 4 days or more, you can nominate it speedy deletion. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 23:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Category:Classical composer infobox templates
Please do not remove content from Wikipedia, as you did to Category:Classical composer infobox templates. It is considered vandalism. If you think an article should be deleted, please use deletion process, in stead of blanking the page. Od Mishehu 08:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Instead of being so rude, why don't you use your common sense and see that the category is now redundant as needs deleting?  C e n t y   11:54, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * In what way am I being rude? I started off with a section from test2a, which isn't for a clear vandal, and continued with an explanation of what should be done. Od Mishehu 04:47, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Sigh, the page is deleted. Let's just draw a line under this.  C e n t y   11:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Just to say hello
Hello ;) Floris V 20:54, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, I answered you on my talk page. Another thing is - The AoEH article is in danger of getting deleted. What chances are there to keep it up, do you think? Is it worth improving - I deleted some stuff input by G1ggy that bordered on spam, but it can still be a lot improved. Of course, if it's going to be deleted anyway, there's not much of a point in working on it. Floris V 22:34, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your message
Thanks very much for the reassurance. Are you active in the Classical Music Project? Perhaps we should keep in touch? We've been suffering from a lot of disruptions recently related to bots/AWB/infoboxes etc and it would be interesting to compare notes. Best wishes from the Opera Project. -- Kleinzach 11:02, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the followup and various help. Much appreciated. I am sure it will be worthwhile to keep in touch. I think we are in agreement on the question of the categories 'Operas by X'/'Compositions by X'. Regarding the user who tried to disrupt the Composers Project, he's pretty much discredited now. However we have had a number of bot/AWB/human visits which have caused trouble, so it's much broader than just one individual. Perhaps we might exchange email? Best. -- Kleinzach 05:24, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Have acted on those two pages - but will be away from now until Sunday. Best. -- Kleinzach 01:29, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know. -- Kleinzach 00:55, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

WP:CM
Wow, thanks for all your work at WikiProject Classical music! ALTON  .ıl  05:38, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Classical
I have updated this template with some other functions, especially the ability to be nested as per WikiProjectBannerShell and the ability to be made smaller. The template will now also automatically add articles to a couple of categories. Pastordavid 16:10, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Category:Handel's Messiah
Although tracking category changes isn't easy, it looks as though you have emptied this category and then blanked the text on the category page. If you don't think the category should exist, then the place to take it is WP:CSD rather than acting unilaterally. To make matters more complicated, though, someone else had the same idea as you recently, and so the category contents as it looked when you saw it may well have been rather different from what it was a couple of weeks ago - I think I just undid one deletion action in each category that Fred had tackled to prevent speedy deletion of the category as empty, but Fred may not have gone back after his exams and looked at this again as he planned to do (his reply). I'm minded to agree that it's not the most helpful of categories, but these things should be decided by consensus. Perhaps you could restore your changes then take the matter up for discussion at CSD. Best wishes, Bencherlite 18:15, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, I'm not a member of the Classical music WP (although I'm a member of Musicians and Categories) so hadn't seen "the wider picture". The category alterations appeared on my watchlist so I was just checking the position.  I'll leave you all in peace to tidy up... Bencherlite 19:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * 'spose so - you could perhaps add a note for the deleting admin's benefit that the category has been emptied following discussion at the Classical Music WP; then if the admin thinks it would merit a fuller discussion s/he can say so. Yours, Bencherlite 19:40, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Mendelssohn's Violin Concerto GA


Conga rats ;) Floris V 11:20, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Dani California
Greatly appreciate it, thanks. Regards, N SR 77  ( Talk 12:21, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Composer navigational boxes
OK. Good to know about the standards for the navboxes. I made them to match some of the older ones I had done, but going forward I'll use the new format. What should I do about the ones I've already done? Should I rename them and change all the template references? Or can we just let these be as they are? Thanks. DavidRF 21:05, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * OK. The rename for the new templates is complete. I guess I'll rename some of my old templates at some point as well.DavidRF 21:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Featured Picture
Congratulations, and thanks for nominating it. Raven4x4x 08:48, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Classical music
Hello, thanks for the note, I just went and signed up now. Keep up your good work! Defrosted 02:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

reply
You found my page! You are sneeky to you WP:prefixes, never even thought of that... I'll have to update my secret page and put that info in there. -- Penubag  06:41, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

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Górecki
I made the change as you suggested. It is an improvement. Ceoil 00:02, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Classical songs
Got it - something odd in the recursive categories. I've run a list compare and have removed all of the classical stubs that appeared in the recursive song stub list. I have added the following to an upcoming run of the bot:
 * Category:Classical composition stubs -> and  .  Doesn't look like it will catch many, however, given that it ran through the majority of the list and caught less than 10!

Thanks for catching this - and fixing the 7 or 8 that the bot caught.

Am double checking why these came up when I generated a recursive list of song stubs, and if I find the reason, I'll try to get someone knowledgeable on the matter to fix it. SkierRMH 21:16, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on Template:Beethoven Violin Sonatas, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you plan to expand the article, you can request that administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template   to the article and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Balloonguy 14:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Battle of Leipzig
What on earth are you talking about? I didn't remove anything from the battle of leipzig article and the last change I did was on July 27th. Before smearing my name around in public I would prefer you talk to me. Tirronan 20:25, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah we had a guy that was changing the flag box so that the Russian's were always on top sorry that you got caught up in that, reverting you was an accidental byproduct and unintentional. Cool the confortational style it doesn't help around here much I have found. Tirronan 21:45, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Military history
Very nice work on the Neapolitan War!

If you haven't run into it yet, the Military history WikiProject might be of some use to you. :-) Kirill 01:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Template:Campaignbox Waterloo
Please see Template talk:Campaignbox Waterloo --Philip Baird Shearer 17:01, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Templates
I don't think so; reverting would only be about ½ of it. Several of the boxes already had custom colours. &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  23:14, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Centy,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture Image:Fulmer Falls Closeup 3000px.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2007-09-24.  howcheng  {chat} 17:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Splendid!
I'm glad to find the Schubert Page by CenturionZ 1 ! The "Allegretto quasi andantino" contains peaceful melody and the origin of A-dur.

In Japan and to my regret Schubert is famous as a composer of "Lied", while his piano sonatas are not known so much. The imperfect works are inferior. How do you think in U.K and Euro-Asia continent.The DQN,macbeth 00:48, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Reply to question
I replied to your question on my talk page. But, I'm going to ask these people and see what comes up. Raul654 00:50, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I remember that they have some free recordings on the Internet.  C e n t y  – [ reply ]• contribs  – 09:24, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

List of compositions by Frédéric Chopin
In this article your edit has been reverted without discussion by another editor (this edit). Please discuss at the article's talk page. ALTON  .ıl  01:55, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Battle of Wagram
Hello there

thanks for your contributions to the Battle of Wagram article. I'll be updating this as I get re-acquainted with my sources. It was pretty perfunctory to begin with and I think it should be feasible to get it to FA status, looking at the standard of the Austerlitz article.

I was at Cambridge too. Pembroke, but a long time ago. Tirailleur 11:48, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Wagram / Aspern-Essling
Yes, works for me, Rothenberg is good on both and there a lot of interesting new-in-English stuff in the Hollins / Osprey titles. Between those and Chandler we have French and Austrian perspectives covered.

I was thinking to overhaul them in succession, while thinking about what they link to that also needs beefing up. Eg. it would be useful to be able to link to biographies of the various Archdukes and the subordinate Austrian personalities. Likewise the Austrian army of 1809 merits a decent-length article that discusses its improvements since 1805 and the impact of its 1809 performance (Napoleon re-equipped the carabiniers and brought in lancers, co-opted an Austrian Corps for 1812 and requested that Archduke Charles command it, and married a Habsburg).

Your hussar edit was a good point since it was Hungary that invented them. I have put in an edit to the effect that other armies' hussars seem to have copied their wardrobe more than their ethos. I have never found a description of how the actual military role of hussars differed from that of light dragoons, chasseurs à cheval or indeed Austria's own chevau-leger regiments - have you?

If you have come across any public domain likeness of Archduke Charles that would be a good addition to the article too. I haven't really looked I must confess. Tirailleur 13:40, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

1809
Thanks for the reminders re Grenzers. Re Archduke Charles I was thinking of a picture we can use that is different to those on his article page.Tirailleur 14:56, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Berlioz template
Hi. I see you've changed the Berlioz template. To be honest I'd rather go back to the strictly alphabetical arrangement we had before, since many of Berlioz's works are notoriously difficult to define by category. It also took up far less room on the page. Thanks. --Folantin 10:38, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not as cut and dried as all that. Some people class La damnation de Faust as an opera, Roméo et Juliette is also a choral work, Lélio is a hotchpotch of...But, ah well, I'm not in the mood for arguing over this. Let's keep some serenity in the classical music world now that Mr. Infobox has left the building. You can make a perfectly good case for your version and I'll respect it. Cheers. --Folantin 12:02, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh heh! I think I'll stay clear of that one. It's well on its way to WP:LAME. --Folantin 11:07, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

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Navbox revert
Hi,

I've had a look at some other classical music navboxen and it looks like the brown colour is pretty standard. However, the markup improvements are valid either way. It'd be best just to add a colour attribute to the template rather than reverting. Chris Cunningham 08:30, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

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Take it to the talk page
Your proposed changes to WP:LAME are being contested. Please take your proposed changes to the talk page and establish consensus before making such changes. --Jayron32| talk | contribs 16:56, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You have now reverted the page to your own changes twice. I implore you to establish consensus on the talk page before making the changes again.  A third revert can result in a block for being disruptive.  --Jayron32| talk | contribs  17:01, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and reverted your change to WP:LAME as it is clear from the talk page that you do not have consensus for the changes at this point in time. I have also added a link for your proposed changes to the talk page, but if you wish to present it in a different format, feel free to do so. Please make sure that you have consensus to make your proposed changes before doing so again, particularly within the next 24 hours as doing so would constitute a violation of WP:3RR and result in you being reported for a possible block. --Bobblehead (rants) 18:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Neapolitan War
Leaving this message on your talk page rather than on LAME's. I'm not going to comment on the FAC you started as I avoid that page like the plague, but the Neapolitan War is an easy one to explain, there are no inline citations on the article and on that point alone it fails the criteria established for B-Class on WP:MILHIST. It is unfortunate that the person that left the assessment behind was not more informative when they assessed the article, but once you've added inlines to the article, I'd request that the page be re-assessed and it'll probably get bumped up to B-Class. Have a good wikibreak, you seem to need it. --Bobblehead (rants) 02:49, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Your message on my talk page
Please refrain from leaving rude messages on my talk page, or on any other. Exploding Boy 06:32, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

The sound of violins
Hi. Sorry to see the FAC got closed. I do think it was pretty close to FA - if you can blag a decent copyedit from someone, I think that'd do it. Hope to see you back at FAC. J.W inklethorpe talk 06:38, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Move Cello Sonata (Rachmaninoff)?
Hi, would you mind if I moved Cello Sonata (Rachmaninoff) to.. something else? It bothers me that it is called a Cello sonata even if Rach blatantly dislikes that classification. The score from IMSLP is titled "Sonata for Piano and Cello," while the print one I have is "Sonata in G minor, opus 19, for cello and piano," and the Harrison book lists it as the same. ALTON  .ıl  05:27, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

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Template talk:Schubert piano sonatas
Hi. Please see the linked discussion on the numbering of the sonatas. Cheers, Gidip (talk) 09:49, 23 November 2007 (UTC).

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