User talk:Ceoil/Archive 15

My poor auld Irish mate
Consensus is that this sounds an awful lot like The Cure, albeit perkier. Opinions, please. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:57, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I was going to post a very amusing (to me, at least) internet meme on your user page, but relented. Here's some more work by The Boys instead. Take note of how Paul and George screw up their first lines together. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Fire away with the meme, could do with a spot of cheering up. Anyway, if I don't like it, I'll just revert you like I always do ;) Ceoil (talk) 17:26, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way 'the boys' are U2; Beatles are 'the lads' (in Cork at least anyway, je'no.). Ceoil (talk) 18:05, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Mind taking a look at Featured article candidates/Gothic metal? I think it's unnecessarily detailed, when a lot of the material would be better suited for band or album articles, but that just might be me. Also, I always thought these were "the lads". WesleyDodds (talk) 05:22, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

is not very flattering to Macca. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:05, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Indopug and I are trying to clean up some Beatles albums pages (Indopug made the astute observation that there are several GAs about family members of the band, but no FA or GA Beatles albums). Any articles you particularly don't want to look like crap? WesleyDodds (talk) 09:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'ver heard the Swans cover. Maybe you confused the bands? WesleyDodds (talk) 19:14, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Not to pry, but that Holkham Hall FAR looks very harrowing. You will once again be my hero if this fiasco ends with a "Keep". WesleyDodds (talk) 20:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Is the image of of a "low resolution" so that it doesn't limit the ability for PictyMc Picture to make money off his work? if so, throw that in to the rationale. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:24, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes WesleyDodds (talk) 09:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I was actually asking myself the other day "Why do they spell their name with the American spelling?" Have you listened to the new album, or the soundtrack J. Spaceman did with Sun City Girls yet? WesleyDodds (talk) 21:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oddly enough one of my friends has been asking me for "love is shit" songs this week. Must be contagious. Here's one she and I agree on. WesleyDodds (talk) 21:41, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and not to gossip, but an editor sent me a rather rude e-mail complaining about how I removed an image from The Beatles. The funny thing is Wiki e-mail directs to my secondary e-mail, so I didn't find it until today. WesleyDodds (talk) 21:44, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thom sounding like Barney sounding like Ian. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:53, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Speaking King's English. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:41, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Google Image Search is not being very kind to me. WesleyDodds (talk) 03:02, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thora Birch? WesleyDodds (talk) 03:10, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's time for some Dio. WesleyDodds (talk) 03:24, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Not really into the Stones. Sure, I like some of their songs quite a bit, but I've had my Hot Rocks CD set sitting in my closet for six years, and haven't had the urge to pull it out and listen to it in that entire time. I'll probably help with the war article (despite my Wiki editing habits, I love world history very much; my minor emphasis was Modern European history). I need to take off soon to prepare for work tomorrow. Any requests? WesleyDodds (talk) 21:35, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * My list of favorite Husker Du songs: "Chartered Trips", "Don't Want to Know If You Are Lonely", "The Girl Who Lives on Heaven Hill", "I Apologize", "Celebrated Summer", "Green Eyes", "Flip Your Wig', "Could You Be the One?". WesleyDodds (talk) 22:25, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's why you should like Mission of Burma. Not really into Big Black or Fugazi, although I thought you liked the latter. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:37, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw Mission of Burma play over a year ago; it was quite good. I considered going to see R.E.M. this summer, but I'm not sure if they could pull it off live anymore. I hear at some dates, since Modest Mouse is one of the opening bands, Peter Buck and Johnny Marr would jam together. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:51, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, Pearl Jam can be really good if you give them a chance]. I actually used to hate them, now I realy like them. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:57, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Even more insane. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:00, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not really into Neil Young (he's fine, I just don't listen to him much). You give me the Neil links and I'll give you [Pearl Jam http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZaNoeoyckSQ]. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:02, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Vitriolic rock. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:33, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Mind keeping an extra eye out for Siouxsie & the Banshees? If it's unattended for long it has a tendency to devolve into POV praise and ridiculous lists of fans and cover recordings. WesleyDodds (talk) 06:54, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

This is what happens when world-famous rock bands refuse to make music videos. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:13, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm a horrible self-starter. But if I see you start serious work on Unknown Pleasures, I'll jump in. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:22, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * On Tea & Sympathy: some of the prose could be tweaked, and there's some unnecessary details best reserved for song pages, but at a glance it looks fine. Wrapping up our exchange for now, here's Neil and Pearl Jam together. You know they recorded an album together, right? WesleyDodds (talk) 09:38, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm not off to bed yet. I just figured we were going to focus on doom and gloom for a bit. Oh, and there's a chance I might get to chat with Laetitia and the rest of the band in a few months. Have my fingers crossed. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:48, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Here? I don't have Touching from a Distance on me (I used my brother's copy for Joy Division), but I have the 33 1/3 book and a Mojo article about the making of the album. Have you seen the new Joy Division documentary yet? I need to pick up the DVD soon. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:59, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think my brother actually gave me a link to one. Don't worry about it right now; let's just work on the basic framework and build up from there. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:03, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * As an aside rumination on that current FAC, I personally wouldn't submit "In Bloom" (my most recent Good Article) to FAC at all. While I've found most everything written/documented about the song, I don't feel there's enough info around to fully serve the topic. That's what the GA system is around for after all. Then again, you did get me to submit "Just Like Heaven". WesleyDodds (talk) 10:08, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem I'm having with the Unplugged article is addressing the praise given the performance/album in a suitable way. Everyone agrees it great, but oftentimes a large part of the praise is coupled with the hindsight of Cobain's suicide. Also, It was hard writing the section about the actual performance because it seemed like adding commentary by people there that said "It was great!" didn't really belong, regardless if it was during the performance or after the fact. I mean, in theory you should enjoy yourself at a concert in the first place, right? WesleyDodds (talk) 10:20, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The long-term plan is to get Nevermind to GA, take a few breaths, then begin the long process to FA status. Running through all the sources available on it has been daunting. "In Bloom" was an intentional detour; I figured since I was working on the album I might as well try and fix up the rest of the singles. People are going to read these things, you know; don't want them looking like crap forever. For some reason, out of all the songs on the album that aren't already FA, "In Bloom" was the one I was able to finish first, even though it's probably my least-favorite single from the album. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

R.E.M. will be on the Main Page on July 10th. Vandalism and edit debates? Yes. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:52, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Heyo
I'm aware that this statement is usually repeated, but it wouldn't hurt to add a citation to it. With respect,  Jaakobou Chalk Talk  18:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Heyo Jaak, but its not likely to be challanged...and too many citations is A bad Thing; espically citing a Cliché. Ceoil (talk) 18:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with the "too many citations" note but it seems the intro only has a single reference and it wouldn't hurt to have a link to a reference which compares the two's accomplishments IMHO (I did not intend on the addition of a cliché reference).  Jaakobou Chalk Talk  18:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, but there is generally no need to cite leads. Anyway, I'll have a look. Ceoil (talk) 18:17, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I work the Israeli-Palestinian articles a lot and there (almost) EVERYTHING needs to be cited - including the intro.  Jaakobou Chalk Talk  08:15, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Albanians
Hi there. I'm just wondering why you reverted my edit to the Albanians article? Surely those population figures need to be referenced? Cordless Larry (talk) 19:33, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Adding 20 or so fact tags just creates an ugly mess and solves nothing. Add a boiler plate to the footnotes section, or better yet fix with a single ref . Tagging and running is a very annoying way to pass your time. Ceoil (talk) 19:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry if it's annoying, but some of those figures are hard to justify so I think it's important to flag them as uncited. I'm not quite sure how your counties of Albania link would serve as a reference for the number of Albanians in each of those countries? Cordless Larry (talk) 19:42, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Or whatever. The onus is on you. Fix, remove or add a disputed / footnotes plate in the refs section. Just don't add multiple cn tags and then wander off to the next page without onus or care. Thats just too easy and more than a little smug. Ceoil (talk) 19:46, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I was actually in the process of searching Google for references, but without much luck. Would you object if I removed the unreferenced figures per this? Cordless Larry (talk) 19:51, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Grand Larry, but can you deposit the stats on the talk page so at least the structure and formatting are not lost. Ceoil (talk) 19:53, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, will do. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:54, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries. Out of curiosity, whats with the Cordless?! Ceoil (talk) 19:55, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Can't remember exactly now. I think some website or other suggested it when my preferred username was taken. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I live for 9 months in Holland last year, and worked with alongside two Albanians and an Kosovian ethnic Albanian. They guesses about 15-20k, not the 100k+ in the text you removed; so overall, good catch. Ceoil (talk) 20:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, I suspect that many of the figures were simply made up. According to the 2001 UK census, there were 2,270 Albanian-born people in the UK. There are more ethnic Albanians from Kosovo, but I doubt there are 200,000 as the article claimed... Cordless Larry (talk) 20:17, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This seems to be a problem with lots of ethnic group articles. Latin American Britons is a case in point. I'm sure that if we went to all of the ethnic group articles and added all of the various estimates up we'd get a total of about ten times the world's population! Cordless Larry (talk) 20:19, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Priory of Sion Peer Review
Hello. You would be interested in participating in the peer review of the Priory of Sion article? --Loremaster (talk) 11:24, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Punk rock
Oops. Is it on your watchlist? I just realized (from reading another FAC) that it's at 71KB readable prose, although it passed FAR at 37KB ... almost double ! Sandy Georgia (Talk) 00:00, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I noticed that a few weeks back too. To be perfectly honest I dont see as a huge problem as it is structered in a summary style, and easy to navigate. I might have a chat with Dan Geist, who has been maintaining it since the FAR. Ceoil (talk) 00:03, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Gosh, he loves big articles. Is everything in order in terms of citations and MoS et al?  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 04:04, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be the best person to comment on MOS, but in terms of citations and prose, Geist is one of the strongest editors we have. I read about half tonight (here and there) and was generally impressed. Ceoil (talk) 04:09, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I just took a quick look and and saw some MoS issues, but nothing User:Epbr123 can't quickly clean up. Are you interested in asking him to run through (so I can go off and pr/ar)?  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 04:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Geist does love sizable articles, but I have no concerns about sources whatsoever. No need for another FAR; just convince him to make a few cuts. Heavy metal music is pretty long too, but I don't think it's grown that much larger since its FAR, and I feel that one is more effective at meriting its length. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Heavy metal was 38 after FAR, 54KB now; not quite as dramatic; as long as they're being watched, I won't worry. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 07:12, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I did some MoS stuff, but there is more. I'm really sorry to see such a delightfully encyclopedic article turned into a monster; I wish we had better understanding and application of Summary style, as I don't see it as an improved article, but I shall avert my eyes and pretend I never looked.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 07:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey ... can you peek in at Raul's talk page, where your name is being dropped? Sandy Georgia (Talk) 02:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

RCC FAC
Thank you for helping in a really big way in a time of need. Sorry we didn't make it. NancyHeise (talk) 06:59, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Bunnymen articles
Cheers for that Ceoil, a rock'sbackpages subscriber eh? --JD554 (talk) 10:37, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

FA-Team Mission 4
Mission 4, a series of articles on the Everglades, could do with help from the FA-Team! Thanks! Awadewit (talk) 12:56, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Feature Article Candidate Roman Catholic Church

 * The nomination of the above article was archived by the Featured Articles Director, with the comment that the page had again grown too long. He has asked that all remaining objectors produce a list of their specific problems with the article in its current form. These will then be addressed by the article's editorial team before re-presentation for FA status.
 * Can you therefore please post a complete list of any specific remaining objections you may have on the article's talk page at: Talk:Roman_Catholic_Church. If possible can we have this list in by the end of June, so that editors can begin to address them all in detail in July. To prevent the  nomination again becoming over-long, we would ask that you raise ALL of your remaining concerns at this stage, making your comments as specific and comprehensive as possible. It would help if all your comments were gathered under your name in a single heading on the page.  Thank you. Xandar (talk) 00:56, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Holkham Hall
My sincere apologies for the misunderstanding earlier with the Holkam Hall article. The problem is, when you're showered with the kind of peurile abuse that I got from another editor (who shall remain nameless) over that article, it brings out the worst in you. I'm glad to see that someone's trying to put some proper references in, and I should have thought a bit more before I jumped in with both feet. Time I got some sleep I think. Richerman (talk) 00:31, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, the dreaded edit conflict! The same thing happened to me last night just as I was off to bed. And perhaps fittingly, the first time I wrote this reply the server went down for a second or two and I lost all the text again. Maybe that was my punishment from above. I keep trying to remember to copy my text to the clipboard before clicking the save button, but I never do. Anyway, I think I've worked out how to deal with that pillock. I'll not rise to the bait next time, I'll just agree with him completely, with a heavy dose of irony. Maybe that will take the wind out of his sails. In the meantime I'll keep off the Holkham page unless I've got something useful to add. Richerman (talk) 11:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I honestly have no intention of name calling at all. I have helped on articles to get them to FA and I know how much work it involves and also how incredibly nitpicking they are now, and the way the Holkham article was written it would have no chance of getting there if it was put up for it today. However, a few changes were all it needed to bring it up to today's more rigorous standards but I found Giano's bullying completely unnaceptable. I admit I may have initially come across a bit more abrasive than I meant to be, but you have to be able to take some constructive criticism without losing it completely and resorting to insults. I have since found out that he has been blocked numerous times for incivility but he seems incapable of having any sort of discussion without being incredibly nasty when someone doesn't agree with him. Having said that, I have no intention of provoking another outburst from him, and if he kicks off again and I'm in the firing line I'll just tell him he's absolutely correct. I really don't want to be involved in that sort of crap again Richerman (talk) 23:51, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * He undoubtedly knows his stuff, and his prose and layout is good but his attitude to lesser mortals is crap. However, as I said on the FAR talk page I'm not going to go running to teacher about it, as you rightly say - so what! I'll shall try to just ignore him in future. The end result is that with the good work of yourself and others, the Holkham page is looking a lot more like a good example of a featured article now. Richerman (talk) 09:01, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've no experience of fair use myself but I've asked for other editors on my project for some help, so hopefully I may have the answer soon. I suspect it may be that the rationale would be that photography isn't allowed in the house, which could fit in with the bit it says about countries where the copyright is extended to photographs of the interior, so if all else fails you could try that. By the way have you seen that The Times (or the London Times as you would call it :-) )has just put 200 years of its archives online at www.timesonline.co.uk/archive ? Should be great for references and there's an introductory period of free access. Richerman (talk) 10:26, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The fair use rationale looks good to me too, so I can't see it having any problems. Generally I'm a lot happer with the article now, however, I still have a few niggles. The Interior, Exterior, and Grounds, sections seem to be a bit light on refs with whole paragraphs without citations. If the whole paragraph comes from the same source a reference at the end should be ok. The "Exterior" and "Grounds" sections could do with a reference at the end of the section at least. I think terms like "it is thought" need either to be more specific about who thought it, or else they need a citation as they can be considered weasel words. I don't like the the bits separated by hyphens myself, I think there's not enough spacing around the hyphens and they'd look better with commas anyway, but that may just may be a matter of personal taste. I've edited a few bits for style. I've taken out some occurences of "at Holkham" where I thought there were too many and that sort of thing. I also rearranged the last sentence of the "Exterior" section, which I had to read a couple of times as the meaning wasn't too clear. I know I'm being very nitpicking but I'm sure you know it would be much worse if this was a new article up for FA. Incidentally, one of the articles I greatly expanded when I first started editing was Heaton Park which is near where I live. Like Holkham, this comprises the grounds of a Palladian mansion, which was horribly neglected for about 70 years years after being bought from the Earl of Wilton by Manchester City council. Most of the furniture was sold off sadly but the building is now being gradually brought back to its original splendour with money from the lottery, and some of the furniture has been bought back. The interior has been restored and the shocking state of the exterior is now starting to be addressed, although it's got as long way to go. I do need to go back to the article and sort out some problems with external links and suchlike now I have more experience of how things should be done. However, if you wanted to add anything about the architecture from the reference books you've been using that would be great. Or maybe I should ask Giano?.........well, maybe not :-) Perhaps the article needs to be brought into the architecture wikiproject anyway. Richerman (talk) 23:12, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for yor help. I know the refs need sorting out, I'll need to spend a few hours replacing them using cite templates - ooh! how I hate those things. Someone else sarted the article off (a tram enthusiast) so there are still a lot of things to fix with it and references to find. I keep going back to it every so often though so, one day it might get there. A lot of the information has come from signs in the park which is why it's not referenced, so I think I'll have to put something in like "taken from an information notice in the park, copyright Manchester City Council" I have produced better articles sice this one, but I'll have it sorted out one day. Richerman (talk) 01:46, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I think the Holkham article looks fine now - a great job by all. Just one thing, what's a cite php template? I normally use the cite web and cite book ones. Are they the ones you mean? Richerman (talk) 13:58, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, "reet good job" is more old Lancashire than specifically Manchester really and "they do dat don't dey?" is classic Liverpudlian. The Manchester accent today is more "sorted, mate" and "'ave yoh?". To find the real Lancy accent now you need to go to the old Mill towns like Bolton and Rochdale. I used to work with a woman from Leigh in deepest Lancashire who'd say things like "we'll a fer't gerrit ourselves". As to the citation templates some people on the Greater Manchester project love them - but I hate using them myself. I'll try and do the refs without them in future. Richerman (talk) 14:39, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Couldn't agree more, it really used to wind me up when people would say that Oasis were the "new Beatles". They should be buried along with that prat Terry Christian. The "Cark" accent will do for me - tinkers trying to speak French? Brilliant. The regional accents are unfortunately being smoothed out by television but suprisingly they're still hanging in there, although they're getting contaminated with "Estuary English" these days. Richerman (talk) 15:19, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * And a lot more than accents. We watched Ibiza Uncovered when it first came out with incredulity but eventually the bad behaviour just became sickening. It seems that those sort of people seem to have no respect for anyone or anything - least of all themselves. Richerman (talk) 15:40, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That sounds like fighting talk, but as I was always a big fan of the Beatles and couldn't care less about football it's not working - good try though! :-) Anyway it's time I stopped skiving and wended my weary way home from work. See you soon. Richerman (talk) 16:01, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

templates
so what am i suppose to do when editors remove sourced infomation like in this instance or refuse to use the talk page in this instance  since you know wiki policy so well maybe you can help me out--Wikiscribe (talk) 20:23, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

you did not see the one i opened up a week ago on the grunge and the stp page i have viable reliable sources and they just kepp removing them --Wikiscribe (talk) 20:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

thank you also im have 4 sources here im going to add them to stp page have a loook at them and let me know what you think i have a legit gripe some consider stp post grunge some consider them as grunge all im saying is lets have all points of view--Wikiscribe (talk) 20:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

look i did put some of the sources on the talk page for the grunge i tried thats why i put the templates also not to be a wise guy but reliable sources are being removed because some dont agree we must have all pov in an article i put them into the article please have a look at them they are reliable one is from the a writer at the new york times--Wikiscribe (talk) 20:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Copied from Nancy's page
Ceoil. The idea of ripping the RCC article up and re-writing virtually from scratch would get us nowhere. And make no mistake, that is what trying to eliminate the History section would do. (See my remarks in JBMurray's section of the RCC Talk page.) An action like that would sabotage the article and give it massively less chance of reaching FA in the foreseeable future. There is no demand for a total reorganization and rewrite, and no-one has made any valid case for such an act. Diverting our effort onto such a pointless task is a red-herring, akin to being sent on the run-around, and I would lean toward thinking it a mischievous suggestion. That is why we think the process of finding out exactly what people specifically object to in the article is the right one to follow. Xandar (talk) 23:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk page
Hey, while I appreciate the courtesy, I think it's bad form to delete another user's contributions (unless that was your contibution, in which case you're welcome to remove it). I know, it seems crazy, but that's the way it seems to work. Thanks for the attempt though :Þ Sherurcij (speaker for the dead) 21:54, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Battle of Waterloo
The Battle of Waterloo is preparing for another FA review and this is one of the things requested. I respectfully request that you leave that link in. Tirronan (talk) 23:14, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Friday
Fallen who? No outriggr ... I don't know whether to be offended. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 01:50, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Seriously? Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 04:11, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No of course not seriously ;) They were lightly mocking me; I just returned in kind. I don't see any hard feelings there, Giano has been helpful, and I've no problems taking mistakes on the chin....Though it seems to happen a lot! The fallen refers to morally, rather than anything else. But nice of you to notice. Ceoil  sláinte 11:48, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Had me worried :-) Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 16:55, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

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nick drake album sales
hello. and thanks for your reply. turns out that i actually own the physical magazine article that cites the sales figures i quoted. an issue of mojo from 1997 which a friend bought me cause it had nick on the cover. [an amazing, pre vw-ad occurance]

the article, the first by brian humpfries [sorry bout that spelling] stated that five leaves left sold just about 5,000 copis and that bryter layter sold 15,000. to my frustration he doesn't claim a sales figure for pink moon. i know it sold at least on uk copy, cause i still own mine.

[my memory thinks the sales figure was 1,000 copies but my googling hasn't turned up an actual number.]

american radio channel npr reported "The three albums he recorded had barely sold 20,000 copies in the 25 years after his death."

link to addtional audio here: http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2000/nov/001117.ndrake.html

rusty —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rpopstar (talk • contribs) 17:28, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Peer review
Hey, I saw you listed at PRV, and was wondering if you could take a look at Peer review/Tea & Sympathy/archive1. If you could it would be greatly appreciated! Cheers, giggy (O) 08:24, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the copyediting! giggy (O) 08:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Review of First-move advantage in chess
Many thanks for your constructive comments at Featured article candidates/First-move advantage in chess, which helped to improve the article and reach the FA level! SyG (talk) 17:24, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:Apologies
You know you don't have to apologize to me. I'm grateful for all the assistance you are always willing to offer to the articles I am working on. And as a minimum but not meaningful sign of my gratitude, I am inviting you to listen to the rain during the lonely copyediting moments, or just to think about the old loves who go to paradise!--Yannismarou (talk) 11:57, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Pyx Lax not exactly trad, but if I had the version of "Monaxia mou ola" with Makis Christodoulopoulos' amane it would have been different! What about a combination of traditional folk clarinet and Greek rock ? Or a homage to the master by Mikis Theodorakis? Or something from Savopoulos, who tries to connect rembetiko with more modern sounds?
 * And IMO this it is difficult Greek music to get better than that, but I think that I overdid it! I really feel like shooting you with music! By the way, I really enjoyed the Dubliners!--Yannismarou (talk) 13:34, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * While Xylouris sings, it is Xarchakos who leads the orchestra (at a certain moment after 1975 he forgot how to write music! Maybe politics was the problem!). Xylouris is a myth in Greece. Singer and lyra player of folk Cretan music; when he was young he "stole" his wife, following the Cretan tradition; a concert of him during the 1967-1974 dictatorship is still legendary; and at the pick of his career he dies from cancer. All his songs appearing in YouTube are great like this or thiswith his mentor. His story reminds me of Manos Loizos who also died from cancer young. And, speaking of Loizos, this and this are two of the best zeibekika ever written. Anyway! At this moment all the music Greek interest is focused on Madona who comes in Athens on September. I'm leaving Wiki for the final! Germany or Spain: This is the question!--Yannismarou (talk) 17:32, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course, I've heard it, and it is great! I admit I did not notice the similarities, but this is a challenge for my weak "music ear"! The fact is that both Greece and Ireland have a very interesting folk music tradition, and music history in general.--Yannismarou (talk) 17:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Éire go brách
I'll be happy to do the copyediting, give me a coupla days. Too feckin' much to do. - Dan Dank55 (talk)(mistakes) 22:15, 29 June 2008 (UTC)