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What I wrote during lunch. I haven't found any bugs with it yet, though it's not as full-featured as Anomie's is.

Speed wise, it's decently fast, however I think the initial start up speed can be reduced by caching the AWB lists. (Legobot had 5 edit conflicts with AnomieBot ) LegoKontribsTalkM 19:07, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Datebot too quick
You might want to have that datebot hold off mods for longer; I'd just finished a second, involved manual edit on Archosaur in which I eliminated the template and named/re-used a source, only to have to re-do the edit because the bot had jumped in and mod'd the page. A couple hour wait since the last edit should suffice I'd think. Twang (talk) 22:27, 21 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I second that. The bots do important work, but it's annoying to get an edit conflict, when doing a followup edit, from a bot doing something non-urgent such as dating maintenance tags. It also clutters up edit histories to have every human edit followed by a bot edit. Articles often lie dormant for long periods, then someone makes an edit, which pops up on watchlists, after which one or two other editors follow up, maybe at several-hour intervals. Why not wait a very long time -- 24 hours since the last edit -- before jumping in to date tags?  That would keep edit histories clean and edit conflicts to an absolute minimum.
 * I assume you have a computer science background, so if you're worried about perpetual denial and want to get fancy about it, then the wait time on a given high-traffic article that has "needed work" for too long can be systematically reduced until the bot has a chance to jump in. When you think about it (though perhaps you can point out some error in this thinking) once it's decided that the bot shouldn't wait any longer (e.g. many, many tags need updating after many hours of intensive editing) despite the appearance that active editing is going on, then conflicts might be reduced by going to the opposite extreme in terms of waiting time i.e. the bot should sit on the article and the moment someone saves an edit, grab that version instantly, do whatever needs doing, and save as quickly as possibly.
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 * My post above explains carefully why I believe that 24 hours' wait might be not only "OK" but actually preferable in every way to 20 minutes' wait (at least, as I keep mentioning, for what might be called non-urgent tasks like dating maintenance templates). Is there something wrong with my reasoning?  EEng (talk) 17:11, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Ceradon. Please see what I've done here and revert me if I've got that wrong. Thanks! Paul Erik (talk) (contribs) 01:10, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

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Cerabot is quick
Hi Ceradon, I've hit edit conflicts with Cerabot on two articles in the last few minutes. On both occasions, I was still running through some clean up routines when it came along to date a tag inserted as part of my clean up. An example was at Warangal.

I forget the name of the bot that I recall turning up to date tags but whatever it was, it was never this fast. And thankfully so. Would it be possible to tweak the code in some way? Maybe check if there have been any edits in the last 10 minutes and skip the maintenance if there have? - Sitush (talk) 21:05, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
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 * Yep, thanks, that's the one. No idea how it worked but I don't think it ever showed up within minutes of me tagging something. - Sitush (talk) 22:43, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
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 * Whoa, thanks very much. I've had further conflicts, most recently at Military of Vijayanagara where the gap was 8 minutes (for reasons that should be obvious if you read that mess of an article!) - Sitush (talk) 16:42, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I, too, have had conflicts with Cerabot making changes to an article I was still editing. Would suggest a slower response to allow even human editors who are making a series of edits to get done with them before the bot starts to hit the page.  Cheers.  N2e (talk) 19:21, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I've shut Cerabot down until I have a chance to setup fixes to the problem. Cheers, -- ceradon talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex"> contribs   19:27, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry to have landed more work on you. - Sitush (talk) 01:25, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, I am curious. I've just taken a look at the bot approval. Despite having a past life as a programmer, most of this stuff just happens here as far as I am concerned. But the approval was related to work on interwiki links. Purely out of interest, why do those affect the dating of cn tags? I am aware that wikidata has turned up in the interval, btw - and is flooding my watchlist with entries that obscure preceding dubious contributions etc. I sometimes feel that all of these bots are just following me around! The old "I am not paranoid but ..." story. - Sitush (talk) 01:49, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
 * See approval for dating maintenance tags at Bots/Requests for approval/Cerabot 2. GoingBatty (talk) 01:36, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

I've argued in the past that bots doing routine, non-urgent work should wait 24 hours, but never got a response more substantive than "we do it this way beause some other bot does it this way." EEng (talk) 14:11, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

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